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Re: setting up winamp

 

hello.
unfortunately winamp does not support all types of files.
but for mp3, i think that the file is corrupted.
the only players which i know can open all of my files without need to
install separate codecs are kmplayer, vlc media player and maybe
smplayer.
i tested many players, but they need external codecs.

On 11/29/17, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hi.

You should use winamp v5.666 with Windows 10.

When my friend built this machine for me, he had already installed winamp.
However, he did it incorrectly. I did not ask him what procedure he used,
but not only was the version not the latest build, but it somehow ended up
being installed into the wrong directory; one that my user account was not
supposed to modify with admin rights, so every time I tried to save
settings, they would just revert back to their previous state. I had to
uninstall and re-install the programme myself, and now it works great,
though it does crash more in Windows 10 than it did in XP (not while playing
though, thankfully). Make sure it installs into the program files\x86
folder. Then use Windows 10 file associations to set what you want Winamp to
play. I have it set to all audio formats, but no video files (VLC is the
master of all video players, after all).



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Griffith
Sent: November 28, 2017 7:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] setting up winamp



I know that there has been lots of responses already but I too have often
had difficulties installing various versions of Winamp.

There are lots of versions out there and not all work well on Windows 10 at
least.

Some version when installed will not open mp3 files properly from File
Explorer despite association and other weird issues Like freezing during the
startup wizard when you select skins etc.

Generally I have learnt to only use the version of that can be downloaded
from www.nimite.com

Essentially what I would do is in-install the version of Winamp sshe is
using and download the version from Nimite.

No guarantees of course but this is the way I have overcome Winamp
difficulties of this sort in the past.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts



From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: 28 November 2017 22:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] setting up winamp



Hi, everyone,



I was talking to a friend of mine earlier this morning and she said she's

having trouble setting up winamp. She tried uninstalling and reinstalling
it

but some of her files won't play. Are there boxes she needs to check or

uncheck?



Thanks so much for your help in advance.



Rosemarie















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www.al-islam.org


Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

 

hello mary.
unchecked Remember logins for sites in tools menu, then uption and security.
its very useful for security not to store password.
i also disabled autocomplete in firefox about:config
hope that help, God bless you!

On 11/30/17, Mary Otten <motten53@gmail.com> wrote:
I kept it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

I intended to write another message if you were interested but I then
decided to put the instructions in the message I sent. I forgot to take
out the line about sending instructions in another message. So if you
keep reading after I said I'd send them in another message, you will find
them in the message I already sent. If you didn't keep it, I'll send it
again.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Hi Jean,
Yes, I want to stop Firefox from prohibiting certain redirections, and I
tried alt a, to no know hi Jean,
Yes, I want to stop certainly directions, and I tried all day, to no
avail. The only way I got it was for my husband to go find it with a
mouse and hit the allow which then let the site I was on redirect to a
site that I wanted it to go to. I don’t want to get rid of the
notification all together, because I like stopping unwanted redirections.
But in this case, it was supposed to be redirected. As for the password
thing, yes, I would appreciate directions on how to stop it from asking.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

Do you mean stop redirection notices? Alt a is announced as the allow
command at the end of the announcement. If you want to turn off the
notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message.

To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options.
After waiting a moment, tab once. You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once
then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that
says something like remember logins. Uncheck it with the space bar. You
won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure. Settings take
immediate effect. This is a web page in the browser and since you are on
a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you
would do while on a web page after you change the setting. That is, go
to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine
with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up
notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs
you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these
in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I
do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

 

Hi.
I personally find problems with combo boxes on chrome. 
The best way to focus on the combo box with chrome is to go to the button or link next to it and press shift+tab to focus it. Or if you go to the previous element you just press tab to get focus to it.
But for some combo boxes which activate the item as soon as you arrow to it it is difficult to use.
An example is the forum on www.audiogames.net website.
The combobox to choose forum category is difficult with chrome. With firefox as far as I know it works well.
Nikos

On 1 December 2017 at 08:56, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi bhavya.
i have problems with some combo boxes using firefox.
i also have problem with one website that has submenu and cant open it.
how should i open items which are submenu using firefox?
God bless you!

On 12/1/17, Howard Traxler <howard@...> wrote:
> Thanks Antony, now I'll know.  I assume that the real thing will say final
> release or something like that.
>
> Howard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@....source.it>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr
>
>
> If you mean "what does rc3 stand for?" the answer is "release candidate
> number
> 3" - in other words, it's a version which is a candidate for the final
> release
> version, provided no problems are found with it.  There were obviously two
> previous versions (rc1 and rc2) which did have problems, so they got fixed
> and
> another candidate released.
>
> Antony
>
> On Thursday 30 November 2017 at 19:48:00, Howard Traxler wrote:
>
>> And what is rc3?  never saw this before.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
>> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr
>>
>> > And there was one time when the release itself needed an update to
>> > version xxxx.x.x as well.
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
>> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:07 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr
>> >
>> >> It is not the first time...
>> >>
>> >> If I am not mistaken, once it have gone untill RC4...
>> >>
>> >> Rui
>> >>
>> >> Às 01:53 de 30/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
>> >>> Also I think this is the first time we have ever gone to rc3 its not
>> >>> often.
>> >>>
>> >>> How close are we from release, I guess once there are no more bugs.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 30/11/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
>> >>>> Hi everyone,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is
>> >>>> available for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this
>> >>>> release fixes performance issues in applications such as MIRC which
>> >>>> draw
>> >>>> a lot of text to the screen. For the full details of what is new,
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> to download the new build, head to:
>> >>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kind regards
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Quentin.
>> >>>> #NVDAsr
>
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Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

 

hi bhavya.
i have problems with some combo boxes using firefox.
i also have problem with one website that has submenu and cant open it.
how should i open items which are submenu using firefox?
God bless you!

On 12/1/17, Howard Traxler <howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:
Thanks Antony, now I'll know. I assume that the real thing will say final
release or something like that.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


If you mean "what does rc3 stand for?" the answer is "release candidate
number
3" - in other words, it's a version which is a candidate for the final
release
version, provided no problems are found with it. There were obviously two
previous versions (rc1 and rc2) which did have problems, so they got fixed
and
another candidate released.

Antony

On Thursday 30 November 2017 at 19:48:00, Howard Traxler wrote:

And what is rc3? never saw this before.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr

And there was one time when the release itself needed an update to
version xxxx.x.x as well.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr

It is not the first time...

If I am not mistaken, once it have gone untill RC4...

Rui

Às 01:53 de 30/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Also I think this is the first time we have ever gone to rc3 its not
often.

How close are we from release, I guess once there are no more bugs.

On 30/11/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is
available for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this
release fixes performance issues in applications such as MIRC which
draw
a lot of text to the screen. For the full details of what is new,
and
to download the new build, head to:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr
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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Which version should I install?

 

hello.
nvda 2015.3, 2015.4, 2016.1, i did not have issues in slowness, hang
or crash using them.
also the previous versions i did not have such problems using them.
2017.1 is great, but 2017.3 is the best version forever for me.
God bless you all!

On 12/1/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi


the latest version of nvda that is stable is 2017.3


At present there has been 3 releases of NVDA 2017.4 and the latest been
rc3.

If there are no bugs found in this RC release the 2017.4 release will
hopefully be out next week.


Have you already grabbed a copy of nvda? i am guessing you have because you
are on the list.


Gene nz


On 12/1/2017 2:52 PM, Grant Metcalf wrote:
Greetings to all,
I am moving over to
NVDA from WindowEyes and could use advice on which version to install.
I am using a 32 bit PC running Windows 7. I have no plans to advance to a
later version of Windows. I have a HIMS Braille Edge display connected to my
Windows 7 PC as well as the HIMS Polaris notetaker which also could serve as
a possible display.
What other information might be helpful in choosing the best version of
NVDA?

Thanks for your help!

Grant Metcalf (also known as) Grandpa DOS
Email: the.gems@att.net<mailto:the.gems@att.net>
Phone: (650) 589-6890
California USA



--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Please help a Chess program developer

Jacob Kruger
 

Ok, got it.


Those links render as buttons via NVDA, FWIW.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017/11/30 10:45, Fred Mellender wrote:

Jacob:

My home page is at https://sites.google.com/site/fredm/.  At the bottom are the links to the chess programs, including ChessSpeak.  Click on the "down arrow" to the far right of the window and it will download the program.

Regards,

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

I know a few guys who would be very keen for this to work nicely with screen readers, etc., and, while have had no involvement in NVDA add-on development, I do have some experience with python programming.


One issue is was unable to find any real form of a download link to try out your software on your site?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017/11/29 17:49, fredm73@... wrote:
I am the author of a free chess playing program, ChessSpeak.  I have a YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NXo8GzIORQ) and a Users' Guide (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IIazPm57vNei4w51fnxBpUzSRnuL58ncBn3xXhSCEik). This program allows for speech input from the player and replies with voice output. It has been used by many players over the past few years.

I wrote the program so that a sighted person could play with a regular chessboard, across the room from the computer, without using the mouse or keyboard (although it is not entirely hands free). I  did not intend this application for blind people, but have discovered there is interest in the blind community. ChessSpeak was developed without my awareness of NVDA.  One user told me he is using NVDA and that led me to this group.

How can I make ChessSpeak more friendly to blind people?  What are some very general, and then some specific guidelines?  I have read the Developers' Guide (https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/developerGuide.html) and understand it in a general way, although my Python skills are not strong.

If anyone could offer me specific suggestions or help for my application I would appreciated it. If anyone wants to develop the NVDA linkage to ChessSpeak that would be wonderful.




--
Fred Mellender
Rochester, NY


Re: Which version should I install?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


the latest version of nvda that is stable is 2017.3


At present there has been 3 releases of NVDA 2017.4 and the latest been rc3.

If there are no bugs found in this RC release the 2017.4 release will hopefully be out next week.


Have you already grabbed a copy of nvda? i am guessing you have because you are on the list.


Gene nz



On 12/1/2017 2:52 PM, Grant Metcalf wrote:
Greetings to all,
I am moving over to
NVDA from WindowEyes and could use advice on which version to install.
I am using a 32 bit PC running Windows 7. I have no plans to advance to a later version of Windows. I have a HIMS Braille Edge display connected to my Windows 7 PC as well as the HIMS Polaris notetaker which also could serve as a possible display.
What other information might be helpful in choosing the best version of NVDA?
 
Thanks for your help!
 
Grant Metcalf (also known as) Grandpa DOS
Phone: (650) 589-6890
California USA
 

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Thanks Antony, now I'll know. I assume that the real thing will say final release or something like that.

Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


If you mean "what does rc3 stand for?" the answer is "release candidate number
3" - in other words, it's a version which is a candidate for the final release
version, provided no problems are found with it. There were obviously two
previous versions (rc1 and rc2) which did have problems, so they got fixed and
another candidate released.

Antony

On Thursday 30 November 2017 at 19:48:00, Howard Traxler wrote:

And what is rc3? never saw this before.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr

And there was one time when the release itself needed an update to
version xxxx.x.x as well.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr

It is not the first time...

If I am not mistaken, once it have gone untill RC4...

Rui

Às 01:53 de 30/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Also I think this is the first time we have ever gone to rc3 its not
often.

How close are we from release, I guess once there are no more bugs.

On 30/11/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is
available for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this
release fixes performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw
a lot of text to the screen. For the full details of what is new, and
to download the new build, head to:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr
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Re: Which version should I install?

 

The answer is fairly simple here. Install 2017.4 when it comes out. Keep updating until you can't do so.






On 11/30/2017 8:52 PM, Grant Metcalf wrote:
Greetings to all,
I am moving over to
NVDA from WindowEyes and could use advice on which version to install.
I am using a 32 bit PC running Windows 7. I have no plans to advance to a later version of Windows. I have a HIMS Braille Edge display connected to my Windows 7 PC as well as the HIMS Polaris notetaker which also could serve as a possible display.
What other information might be helpful in choosing the best version of NVDA?
 
Thanks for your help!
 
Grant Metcalf (also known as) Grandpa DOS
Phone: (650) 589-6890
California USA
 


Which version should I install?

Grant Metcalf
 

Greetings to all,
I am moving over to
NVDA from WindowEyes and could use advice on which version to install.
I am using a 32 bit PC running Windows 7. I have no plans to advance to a later version of Windows. I have a HIMS Braille Edge display connected to my Windows 7 PC as well as the HIMS Polaris notetaker which also could serve as a possible display.
What other information might be helpful in choosing the best version of NVDA?
 
Thanks for your help!
 
Grant Metcalf (also known as) Grandpa DOS
Phone: (650) 589-6890
California USA
 


Will NVDA work if I Enable virtualization-based protection of code integrity

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

Will NVDA work if I Enable virtualization-based protection of code integrity
by following the steps at the following link?
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/device-security/enable-virtualizati
on-based-protection-of-code-integrity
Pranav


Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Brian,
Did someone already report issues with combo boxes on the web now? I
am particularly busy at the moment, so I cannot perform any amount of
comprehensive testing to determine the extent of this bug and to
verify whether or not it is a regression, but what I have been very
noticeably observing with NVDA 2017.4 RCs is that certain combo boxes
just cannot be opened. What I mean by this is that when I press Enter
on such a combo box, NVDA announces that it has expanded, but when I
arrow around, I continue traversing the document in browse mode and
the combo box is reported to have collapsed simultaneously. Alt+down
arrow or object navigation also fails in helping me reach the items of
such a combo box.
Unfortunately, I cannot recall which browser I was using while facing
this issue on more than one website.
Thanks.

On 12/1/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
NVDA has several groups of pre-release versions, all publicly available
here: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

"Next" builds are "alpha" quality - new code gets added to these, which may
or may not work and may or may not ever make it to a stable version.

"Master" are "Beta" quality - once something has been in Next for a couple
of weeks and hasn't caused any issues, and it is felt it should be
considered for the next stable release of NVDA, then it goes into Master.

"Release Candidate" or "RC" builds and the final versions before the next
stable release. Essentially, once we release an RC build, if we don't find
any major issues with it, then the stable version will be released a week
or so later, which will be identical to that RC build, except for dropping
the "rc" part from the version number. If we do find an issue, then we'll
fix it one way or another and release a new RC build to ensure that
everything is working.

That snapshots page is always available and updated daily as new builds are
compiled (new Next builds might come out one or even several times a day,
Master usually every few days, and RC builds only just before a new stable
release is due - every three months). So essentially they are all public
betas, it's just that we publicise the RC builds more, to get more people
to try them to hopefully pick up any big issues before the final version.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi:

So what is the difference between a release candidate and a public betqa?
Kevin Huber

On 11/30/17, Howard Traxler <howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:
And what is rc3? never saw this before.

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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


And there was one time when the release itself needed an update to
version

xxxx.x.x as well.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


It is not the first time...

If I am not mistaken, once it have gone untill RC4...


Rui



Às 01:53 de 30/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Also I think this is the first time we have ever gone to rc3 its not
often.

How close are we from release, I guess once there are no more bugs.




On 30/11/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is
available
for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this release
fixes
performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw a lot of
text to
the screen. For the full details of what is new, and to download
the
new
build, head to: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/
nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr



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Re: changing the amount of graphics that are spoken

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kevin,

Not at this stage.  Have you got an example of pages with graphics you would like to be able to adjust the amount of information reported on?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@...> wrote:
Hi:

Is there a way to change how much graphics are spoken, similar to the
punctuation levels?

Kevin Huber






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Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

Quentin Christensen
 

NVDA has several groups of pre-release versions, all publicly available here: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

"Next" builds are "alpha" quality - new code gets added to these, which may or may not work and may or may not ever make it to a stable version.

"Master" are "Beta" quality - once something has been in Next for a couple of weeks and hasn't caused any issues, and it is felt it should be considered for the next stable release of NVDA, then it goes into Master.

"Release Candidate" or "RC" builds and the final versions before the next stable release.  Essentially, once we release an RC build, if we don't find any major issues with it, then the stable version will be released a week or so later, which will be identical to that RC build, except for dropping the "rc" part from the version number.  If we do find an issue, then we'll fix it one way or another  and release a new RC build to ensure that everything is working.

That snapshots page is always available and updated daily as new builds are compiled (new Next builds might come out one or even several times a day, Master usually every few days, and RC builds only just before a new stable release is due - every three months).  So essentially they are all public betas, it's just that we publicise the RC builds more, to get more people to try them to hopefully pick up any big issues before the final version.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@...> wrote:
Hi:

So what is the difference between a release candidate and a public betqa?
Kevin Huber

On 11/30/17, Howard Traxler <howard@...> wrote:
> And what is rc3?  never saw this before.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr
>
>
>> And there was one time when the release itself needed an update to version
>>
>> xxxx.x.x as well.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr
>>
>>
>>> It is not the first time...
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, once it have gone untill RC4...
>>>
>>>
>>> Rui
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Às 01:53 de 30/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
>>>> Also I think this is the first time we have ever gone to rc3 its not
>>>> often.
>>>>
>>>> How close are we from release, I guess once there are no more bugs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 30/11/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is
>>>>> available
>>>>> for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this release
>>>>> fixes
>>>>> performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw a lot of
>>>>> text to
>>>>> the screen. For the full details of what is new, and to download the
>>>>> new
>>>>> build, head to: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>> #NVDAsr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: Please help a Chess program developer

David Moore
 

Thank you so very much. I am very interested.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Fred Mellender
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 4:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please help a Chess program developer

 

I got some good advice from a blind user of ChessSpeak.

 

So, I am trying to make the program almost entirely mouse free, with input via keyboard shortcuts and speech, and output via speech.

 

Please pass on any other advice.

 

I should have a beta test version in a week or so, but not all the desirable interface features will be in that version.  This program is for Windows 7 and later, only. The speech input and output only works in English. This program will always be free.

 

Look at the Users' Guide, Youtube video, and my webpage for details about this program.  All of the links were included in a previous post to this group.

This program allows a person to play a game of chess against the computer.  You can download the current version from my website.

 

Regards,

 

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 1:34 PM, anthony borg <anthonyborg001@...> wrote:

Hi can you please give me some more info about that chess program as I am very interesting to get it please?

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of fredm73@...
Sent: 29 November 2017 16:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please help a Chess program developer

 

I am the author of a free chess playing program, ChessSpeak.  I have a YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NXo8GzIORQ) and a Users' Guide (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IIazPm57vNei4w51fnxBpUzSRnuL58ncBn3xXhSCEik). This program allows for speech input from the player and replies with voice output. It has been used by many players over the past few years.

I wrote the program so that a sighted person could play with a regular chessboard, across the room from the computer, without using the mouse or keyboard (although it is not entirely hands free). I  did not intend this application for blind people, but have discovered there is interest in the blind community. ChessSpeak was developed without my awareness of NVDA.  One user told me he is using NVDA and that led me to this group.

How can I make ChessSpeak more friendly to blind people?  What are some very general, and then some specific guidelines?  I have read the Developers' Guide (https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/developerGuide.html) and understand it in a general way, although my Python skills are not strong.

If anyone could offer me specific suggestions or help for my application I would appreciated it. If anyone wants to develop the NVDA linkage to ChessSpeak that would be wonderful.



 

--

Fred Mellender
Rochester, NY

 


changing the amount of graphics that are spoken

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:

Is there a way to change how much graphics are spoken, similar to the
punctuation levels?

Kevin Huber


Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

 

Hi.
We discussed this before but since we are talking about laptops I wanted to express my consirns again. 

I don't know what happens with the soundcards on laptops these days, or if it is just driver issues but for a lot of models nvda doesnt work well with them.
And I am talking about espeak which is light weight. I don't want to imagine what is going to happen with hi-q tts.

On several laptops, I heard nvda not being able to incorborate. 
For example the beginning or ending of sentences might be cut, or when doing things quickly such as typing, you hear some clicks between the letters as you type.
The problem could be fixed, if we disable audio enhunsments. The problem is that some manufacturers disable this option so we get stuck.
Another possible fix is to disable the manufacturer audio driver and install the generic audio driver from microsoft, but this way we are loozing some of the quality of the sound the laptop can provide such as the bass or some loudness of the audio.

I am very disapointed with the laptops these days because a laptop might have the best specs, but we don't really know if it has got a nice soundcard with good audio drivers unless if we buy it and play with it but it might be too late to change it if we find a problem.
Good luck finding a new laptop.
I hope you find a good one.
Lenovo laptops seam to have the most sound issues with nvda but i have seen hp and toshiba laptops to act a bit strange as well sometimes.

I don't know about del. One of my friends recently got one and she is happy so far.
Nikos

On 30 November 2017 at 20:33, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Hello!


1 - Don't choose anything else than SSD devices. They are much more fast than any other!


2 - For processor, it depends a lot when you want to replace it and how much you want to spend...


If you want to spend only a few hundresd dollars, maximum 400 USD, you and replace it in 2a 3 years, you are well with a processor like Intel(R) Core(TM) m3-7Y30 CPU, like my hybrid laptop have along with 4Gb of RAM.

# of Cores
2
# of Threads
4
Processor Base Frequency
1.00 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency
2.60 GHz
Cache
4 MB SmartCache

3 - If you don't want to change laptop so soon, you must choose a better processor, like I3 or I5, at least 8Gb of RAM and nothing else than a SSD device!

Regards,

Rui



Às 17:22 de 30/11/2017, Tyler Wood escreveu:

This summarizes exactly how I feel today.

I shouldn’t need a crazy fast machine. However, when I’m on a machine with a mechanical hard drive or slower processor, I can tell the difference the second I start using it. It still functions, but my general assumptions get in the way. I get impatient. Come on, move already!

This is why I went overboard in my new desktop, which should arrive in December. Dell xps 8930 with a core i7 processor. I may not need it, but with the advancements in computer technology and how screen readers are, instead of becoming lighter on processor usage, are seemingly more dependant on them, I figure I should get as much power as I can while I can. My thoughts are a core i3 processor, 8 gb of ram and a decent solid state drive should get you where you want to go. The problem is when you want more than a 128 gb drive. You have to pay for the i5 or i7 processor, thus making the machine even more expensive. Also, in 5 years, that i3 may be ancient history. It seems things are taking off at breakneck speed rather than slowing down as far as advancing goes. Soon all applications are going to be multithreaded if they’re not already and you want as many threads as you can squeeze out of it in the future. Dual core with hyperthreading just isn’t going to cut it in even 4 years – and if it does, it’s going to be on the edge of it. Maybe this is just my paranoia talking, but you never know.

 

 

From: Deborah Armstrong
Sent: November 30, 2017 10:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

 

** This was also cross-posted to Cavi-discuss ***

 

As a screen reader user, I'm finding selecting a new laptop is more difficult than ever before. I'm very curious to see what others think, so please post your thoughts.

 

It used to be that I didn't feel I needed a super fast computer, because I wasn't editing video. And nowadays if you look at reviews of laptops, you'll see that people who edit photos, use CAD systems, create art or engage in heavy gaming need fast machines. But for those who just surf the web, read email and do some light word processing, reviewers maintain that a slower and cheaper laptop will work just fine. In fact, reviews of chromebooks are often mixed in with reviews of inexpensive Windows laptops for just that reason.

 

In 2012 my Acer netbook (An AO-756) was the fastest ultraportable I could buy for under $500. Its processor, a 1.4GHZ Intel Celeron 877 was a dual core from the Sandy Bridge family -- the slowest one in that family, but it wasn't a much slower Atom.    It had a reasonable fast 500GB hard drive. I added 8GB of RAM making it even more useful at running multiple tasks efficiently. I could use Word, Excel and Outlook without latency and of course I did a lot of web surfing. Compared to the computers at work, it was a bit slower, but like the reviewers said, it didn't matter, since I didn't do computation-heavy tasks at home.

 

What's changed today might best be covered in this post:

 

which discusses how screen readers access the web. Today, if I have to work with a dynamic website, my little ACER is unbearably slow, despite my having carefully maintained it so it doesn't run unnecessary background tasks, and so that Windows is regularly fully refreshed. 

 

I am convinced the problem is not so much that the PC is slow, but that the screen reader has become a palace built on a shack's foundation. It needs everything it can squeeze out of the processor to handle the new, dynamic web. Seems both NVDA and JAWS fail miserably on slower processors.

 

But if a task does not depend on a screen reader, the machine is still fairly fast.  For example, when I OCR something in Kurzweil 1000, the laptop is just as fast as my much more powerful desktop computers at work. And running something like Handbrake is indeed slower on my laptop but not so slow it cannot be used. A video that takes an hour to convert on my desktop at work might take fifteen extra minutes on the laptop. Handbrake is often used as an informal benchmarking tool.

 

But where instant responsiveness counts, my Netbook falls short. I expect to hear something when I press a key. Often, today, I don't -- seems like I am always waiting for the screen reader to pull itself together and find the focus, or cope with a dynamic partial page refresh, or the next column in the spreadsheet, or read my next email in Thunderbird.

 

The Acer actually got fractionally faster when I upgraded to Windows 10, but even so, I mostly wait after pressing a key to hear something read back to me.

 

My work computers which run Core i7 Pentiums respond immediately, even though they are saddled with far more background tasks required by my job.

 

So if I were to trust reviews, this claim that for the kinds of things I do at home on the laptop I don't need a very powerful machine, I'd buy something with an Atom processor, a 128GB SSD and 2GB of RAM. Clearly that would result in a machine that's even slower than my existing laptop. Plus, it would have a quarter of the storage!

 

I guess the dilemma I'm struggling with here is how to avoid spending a fortune and still get an ultraportable that has no latency when I use a screen reader.

 

What do others think?

 

--Debee

 




Re: Please help a Chess program developer

Fred Mellender <fredm73@...>
 

I got some good advice from a blind user of ChessSpeak.

So, I am trying to make the program almost entirely mouse free, with input via keyboard shortcuts and speech, and output via speech.

Please pass on any other advice.

I should have a beta test version in a week or so, but not all the desirable interface features will be in that version.  This program is for Windows 7 and later, only. The speech input and output only works in English. This program will always be free.

Look at the Users' Guide, Youtube video, and my webpage for details about this program.  All of the links were included in a previous post to this group.
This program allows a person to play a game of chess against the computer.  You can download the current version from my website.

Regards,

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 1:34 PM, anthony borg <anthonyborg001@...> wrote:

Hi can you please give me some more info about that chess program as I am very interesting to get it please?

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of fredm73@...
Sent: 29 November 2017 16:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please help a Chess program developer

 

I am the author of a free chess playing program, ChessSpeak.  I have a YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NXo8GzIORQ) and a Users' Guide (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IIazPm57vNei4w51fnxBpUzSRnuL58ncBn3xXhSCEik). This program allows for speech input from the player and replies with voice output. It has been used by many players over the past few years.

I wrote the program so that a sighted person could play with a regular chessboard, across the room from the computer, without using the mouse or keyboard (although it is not entirely hands free). I  did not intend this application for blind people, but have discovered there is interest in the blind community. ChessSpeak was developed without my awareness of NVDA.  One user told me he is using NVDA and that led me to this group.

How can I make ChessSpeak more friendly to blind people?  What are some very general, and then some specific guidelines?  I have read the Developers' Guide (https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/developerGuide.html) and understand it in a general way, although my Python skills are not strong.

If anyone could offer me specific suggestions or help for my application I would appreciated it. If anyone wants to develop the NVDA linkage to ChessSpeak that would be wonderful.




--
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Rochester, NY


Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:

So what is the difference between a release candidate and a public betqa?
Kevin Huber

On 11/30/17, Howard Traxler <howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:
And what is rc3? never saw this before.

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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


And there was one time when the release itself needed an update to version

xxxx.x.x as well.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


It is not the first time...

If I am not mistaken, once it have gone untill RC4...


Rui



Às 01:53 de 30/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Also I think this is the first time we have ever gone to rc3 its not
often.

How close are we from release, I guess once there are no more bugs.




On 30/11/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is
available
for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this release
fixes
performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw a lot of
text to
the screen. For the full details of what is new, and to download the
new
build, head to: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr



.






Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

Antony Stone
 

If you mean "what does rc3 stand for?" the answer is "release candidate number
3" - in other words, it's a version which is a candidate for the final release
version, provided no problems are found with it. There were obviously two
previous versions (rc1 and rc2) which did have problems, so they got fixed and
another candidate released.

Antony

On Thursday 30 November 2017 at 19:48:00, Howard Traxler wrote:

And what is rc3? never saw this before.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr

And there was one time when the release itself needed an update to
version xxxx.x.x as well.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr

It is not the first time...

If I am not mistaken, once it have gone untill RC4...

Rui

Às 01:53 de 30/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Also I think this is the first time we have ever gone to rc3 its not
often.

How close are we from release, I guess once there are no more bugs.

On 30/11/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is
available for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this
release fixes performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw
a lot of text to the screen. For the full details of what is new, and
to download the new build, head to:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr
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