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Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


Where do you get these scripts/add-ons?  I did a search and couldn't find it anywhere on the web or on the NVDA add-ons page.



On 12/5/2017 11:14 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!


Here is the text of documentation.


If you have more douts, please say!


Mozilla Scripts
add-on that provides NVDA scripts for Mozilla
Firefox
• NVDA+A (desktop) or NVDA+Control+A (laptop) Reads the page address. If pressed twice quickly, copies it to clipboard.
• NVDA+End (desktop) or NVDA+Shift+End (laptop) Reads the status bar. If pressed twice quickly, copies it to clipboard.
• NVDA+F8 Shows a list of opened tabs. If pressed twice quickly, shows buttons of tool bar.
• NVDA+Control+N Reads the last notification and it takes the system focus to it if it is possible. By pressing two times quickly shows the history of notifications.
• NVDA+F6 Brings the focus to the document.
Thunderbird
• In a message window:
◦ Control+Shift+(1-4) Reads the sender and recipients of the message. If pressed twice quickly, opens the options menu.
◦ Control+Shift+5 Reads the subject of the message.
◦ Control+Shift+6 Reads date of the message.
◦ Control+Shift+A Brings the focus to the list of attachments, if any. (These scripts are also available in the list of messages if you activate the preview pane.)
• In the bar of fast filtering:
◦ Press down Arrow to display more options, enter to check/unchek the selected option.
• In messages list:
◦ If the preview pane is active, press NVDA+downArrow (desktop) or NVDA+A (laptop) to read the message without leaving the list.
◦ Control+NVDA+1-9 moves between columns.
◦ NVDA+H Displays a dialog in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.
Keystrokes can be customized in Preferences of NVDA > Input gestures when Firefox or Thunderbird are open.


Rui Fontes



Às 15:49 de 05/12/2017, Sally Kiebdaj escreveu:
Hello Rui,

could you tell me a bit more about what this add-on does?

Thank you,
Sally

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> wrote:
Hello Gene,

I like the bookmark idea and will probably go with that.

To answer some of your questions:

It seems to be a series of buttons, I think 3 in total. I have only ever heard the last two which say something along the lines of "open login page" and "close this message," respectively.

Using brows mode to navigate by buttons doesn't work as these buttons seem to not be in the main document. It was one of the first strategies I tried.

For now, I think the bookmark option is the simplest solution.

Thank you!
Sally

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know anything about the add on someone else sent.  I thought of another solution that might be the easiest.  Go to the login page and make a bookmark.  I can tell you how to use the bookmarks search feature to find it quickly and conveniently so you don't have to worry about where it is in the book marks list.  If it doesn't have a distinctive name, give it one when you save it to make it easy to find with the book marks search feature.  Then open a new page when you want to log in and use the book mark to go directly to the login page.  That may be the best solution.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I doubt it.  When a dialog opens on a web page, NVDA says the word "dialog."  Have you gotten to the alert message or heard its entire text?  On the new page you open, what is this option; is it a link?  Instead of tabbing until you get to it on the new page, use the screen-reader search function and search from the top of the page for the word "open."  See if you can find whatever it is on the page.  If you can't find it, I may find something in firefox that makes finding the alert easier. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

It calls itself an alert and I do get to it eventually by tabbing. Do you still think it is a dialogue?

Thanks!

Sally


On 12/1/2017 9:13 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
This is probably a web dialog. Not a notification. If you install the last release candidate RC 3 of NVDA, then you can find web dialogs by pressing o.

Best
Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.12.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>:

Is there a hotkey for the alerts about logging into a wifi network? I am currently in a building where the wifi needs a sign in after 10 minutes of inactivity and I can't figure out how to get to that sign in page quickly and easily. For now, I am opening a new window in firefox and tabbing around until I find the "open login page" option.


There must be a better way to do this.....

Thanks!

Sally


On 11/30/2017 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Do you mean stop redirection notices?  Alt a is announced as the allow command at the end of the announcement.  If you want to turn off the notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message. 
 
To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options. 
After waiting a moment, tab once.  You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that says something like remember logins.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  You won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure.  Settings take immediate effect.  This is a web page in the browser and since you are on a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you would do while on a web page after you change the setting.  That is, go to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone








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Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Brice Mijares
 

What does this ad on accomplish?

On 12/5/2017 6:56 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Try using this addon:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/949x4ly26igk6oh/MozillaScripts-1.4.nvda-addon?dl=1
Rui Fontes
Às 14:38 de 05/12/2017, Sally Kiebdaj escreveu:

It calls itself an alert and I do get to it eventually by tabbing. Do you still think it is a dialogue?

Thanks!

Sally


On 12/1/2017 9:13 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
This is probably a web dialog. Not a notification. If you install the last release candidate RC 3 of NVDA, then you can find web dialogs by pressing o.

Best
Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.12.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@gmail.com <mailto:fiddle.pup@gmail.com>>:

Is there a hotkey for the alerts about logging into a wifi network? I am currently in a building where the wifi needs a sign in after 10 minutes of inactivity and I can't figure out how to get to that sign in page quickly and easily. For now, I am opening a new window in firefox and tabbing around until I find the "open login page" option.


There must be a better way to do this.....

Thanks!

Sally


On 11/30/2017 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Do you mean stop redirection notices?  Alt a is announced as the allow command at the end of the announcement.  If you want to turn off the notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message.
To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options.
After waiting a moment, tab once.  You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that says something like remember logins.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  You won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure.  Settings take immediate effect.  This is a web page in the browser and since you are on a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you would do while on a web page after you change the setting.  That is, go to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello Rui,

Thank you for the documentation. It sounds like it might help in this situation and is certainly worth a try.

It also addresses some issues I was having with Thunderbird that I hadn't bothered to ask about yet.

Pretty handy add-on!

Thanks again,
Sally

On 12/5/2017 11:14 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!


Here is the text of documentation.


If you have more douts, please say!


Mozilla Scripts
add-on that provides NVDA scripts for Mozilla
Firefox
• NVDA+A (desktop) or NVDA+Control+A (laptop) Reads the page address. If pressed twice quickly, copies it to clipboard.
• NVDA+End (desktop) or NVDA+Shift+End (laptop) Reads the status bar. If pressed twice quickly, copies it to clipboard.
• NVDA+F8 Shows a list of opened tabs. If pressed twice quickly, shows buttons of tool bar.
• NVDA+Control+N Reads the last notification and it takes the system focus to it if it is possible. By pressing two times quickly shows the history of notifications.
• NVDA+F6 Brings the focus to the document.
Thunderbird
• In a message window:
◦ Control+Shift+(1-4) Reads the sender and recipients of the message. If pressed twice quickly, opens the options menu.
◦ Control+Shift+5 Reads the subject of the message.
◦ Control+Shift+6 Reads date of the message.
◦ Control+Shift+A Brings the focus to the list of attachments, if any. (These scripts are also available in the list of messages if you activate the preview pane.)
• In the bar of fast filtering:
◦ Press down Arrow to display more options, enter to check/unchek the selected option.
• In messages list:
◦ If the preview pane is active, press NVDA+downArrow (desktop) or NVDA+A (laptop) to read the message without leaving the list.
◦ Control+NVDA+1-9 moves between columns.
◦ NVDA+H Displays a dialog in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.
Keystrokes can be customized in Preferences of NVDA > Input gestures when Firefox or Thunderbird are open.


Rui Fontes



Às 15:49 de 05/12/2017, Sally Kiebdaj escreveu:
Hello Rui,

could you tell me a bit more about what this add-on does?

Thank you,
Sally

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> wrote:
Hello Gene,

I like the bookmark idea and will probably go with that.

To answer some of your questions:

It seems to be a series of buttons, I think 3 in total. I have only ever heard the last two which say something along the lines of "open login page" and "close this message," respectively.

Using brows mode to navigate by buttons doesn't work as these buttons seem to not be in the main document. It was one of the first strategies I tried.

For now, I think the bookmark option is the simplest solution.

Thank you!
Sally

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know anything about the add on someone else sent.  I thought of another solution that might be the easiest.  Go to the login page and make a bookmark.  I can tell you how to use the bookmarks search feature to find it quickly and conveniently so you don't have to worry about where it is in the book marks list.  If it doesn't have a distinctive name, give it one when you save it to make it easy to find with the book marks search feature.  Then open a new page when you want to log in and use the book mark to go directly to the login page.  That may be the best solution.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I doubt it.  When a dialog opens on a web page, NVDA says the word "dialog."  Have you gotten to the alert message or heard its entire text?  On the new page you open, what is this option; is it a link?  Instead of tabbing until you get to it on the new page, use the screen-reader search function and search from the top of the page for the word "open."  See if you can find whatever it is on the page.  If you can't find it, I may find something in firefox that makes finding the alert easier. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

It calls itself an alert and I do get to it eventually by tabbing. Do you still think it is a dialogue?

Thanks!

Sally


On 12/1/2017 9:13 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
This is probably a web dialog. Not a notification. If you install the last release candidate RC 3 of NVDA, then you can find web dialogs by pressing o.

Best
Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.12.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>:

Is there a hotkey for the alerts about logging into a wifi network? I am currently in a building where the wifi needs a sign in after 10 minutes of inactivity and I can't figure out how to get to that sign in page quickly and easily. For now, I am opening a new window in firefox and tabbing around until I find the "open login page" option.


There must be a better way to do this.....

Thanks!

Sally


On 11/30/2017 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Do you mean stop redirection notices?  Alt a is announced as the allow command at the end of the announcement.  If you want to turn off the notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message. 
 
To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options. 
After waiting a moment, tab once.  You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that says something like remember logins.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  You won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure.  Settings take immediate effect.  This is a web page in the browser and since you are on a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you would do while on a web page after you change the setting.  That is, go to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone









Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Here is the text of documentation.


If you have more douts, please say!


Mozilla Scripts
add-on that provides NVDA scripts for Mozilla
Firefox
• NVDA+A (desktop) or NVDA+Control+A (laptop) Reads the page address. If pressed twice quickly, copies it to clipboard.
• NVDA+End (desktop) or NVDA+Shift+End (laptop) Reads the status bar. If pressed twice quickly, copies it to clipboard.
• NVDA+F8 Shows a list of opened tabs. If pressed twice quickly, shows buttons of tool bar.
• NVDA+Control+N Reads the last notification and it takes the system focus to it if it is possible. By pressing two times quickly shows the history of notifications.
• NVDA+F6 Brings the focus to the document.
Thunderbird
• In a message window:
◦ Control+Shift+(1-4) Reads the sender and recipients of the message. If pressed twice quickly, opens the options menu.
◦ Control+Shift+5 Reads the subject of the message.
◦ Control+Shift+6 Reads date of the message.
◦ Control+Shift+A Brings the focus to the list of attachments, if any. (These scripts are also available in the list of messages if you activate the preview pane.)
• In the bar of fast filtering:
◦ Press down Arrow to display more options, enter to check/unchek the selected option.
• In messages list:
◦ If the preview pane is active, press NVDA+downArrow (desktop) or NVDA+A (laptop) to read the message without leaving the list.
◦ Control+NVDA+1-9 moves between columns.
◦ NVDA+H Displays a dialog in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.
Keystrokes can be customized in Preferences of NVDA > Input gestures when Firefox or Thunderbird are open.


Rui Fontes



Às 15:49 de 05/12/2017, Sally Kiebdaj escreveu:

Hello Rui,

could you tell me a bit more about what this add-on does?

Thank you,
Sally

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> wrote:
Hello Gene,

I like the bookmark idea and will probably go with that.

To answer some of your questions:

It seems to be a series of buttons, I think 3 in total. I have only ever heard the last two which say something along the lines of "open login page" and "close this message," respectively.

Using brows mode to navigate by buttons doesn't work as these buttons seem to not be in the main document. It was one of the first strategies I tried.

For now, I think the bookmark option is the simplest solution.

Thank you!
Sally

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know anything about the add on someone else sent.  I thought of another solution that might be the easiest.  Go to the login page and make a bookmark.  I can tell you how to use the bookmarks search feature to find it quickly and conveniently so you don't have to worry about where it is in the book marks list.  If it doesn't have a distinctive name, give it one when you save it to make it easy to find with the book marks search feature.  Then open a new page when you want to log in and use the book mark to go directly to the login page.  That may be the best solution.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I doubt it.  When a dialog opens on a web page, NVDA says the word "dialog."  Have you gotten to the alert message or heard its entire text?  On the new page you open, what is this option; is it a link?  Instead of tabbing until you get to it on the new page, use the screen-reader search function and search from the top of the page for the word "open."  See if you can find whatever it is on the page.  If you can't find it, I may find something in firefox that makes finding the alert easier. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

It calls itself an alert and I do get to it eventually by tabbing. Do you still think it is a dialogue?

Thanks!

Sally


On 12/1/2017 9:13 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
This is probably a web dialog. Not a notification. If you install the last release candidate RC 3 of NVDA, then you can find web dialogs by pressing o.

Best
Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.12.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>:

Is there a hotkey for the alerts about logging into a wifi network? I am currently in a building where the wifi needs a sign in after 10 minutes of inactivity and I can't figure out how to get to that sign in page quickly and easily. For now, I am opening a new window in firefox and tabbing around until I find the "open login page" option.


There must be a better way to do this.....

Thanks!

Sally


On 11/30/2017 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Do you mean stop redirection notices?  Alt a is announced as the allow command at the end of the announcement.  If you want to turn off the notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message. 
 
To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options. 
After waiting a moment, tab once.  You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that says something like remember logins.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  You won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure.  Settings take immediate effect.  This is a web page in the browser and since you are on a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you would do while on a web page after you change the setting.  That is, go to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone








Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello Rui,

could you tell me a bit more about what this add-on does?

Thank you,
Sally

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> wrote:
Hello Gene,

I like the bookmark idea and will probably go with that.

To answer some of your questions:

It seems to be a series of buttons, I think 3 in total. I have only ever heard the last two which say something along the lines of "open login page" and "close this message," respectively.

Using brows mode to navigate by buttons doesn't work as these buttons seem to not be in the main document. It was one of the first strategies I tried.

For now, I think the bookmark option is the simplest solution.

Thank you!
Sally

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know anything about the add on someone else sent.  I thought of another solution that might be the easiest.  Go to the login page and make a bookmark.  I can tell you how to use the bookmarks search feature to find it quickly and conveniently so you don't have to worry about where it is in the book marks list.  If it doesn't have a distinctive name, give it one when you save it to make it easy to find with the book marks search feature.  Then open a new page when you want to log in and use the book mark to go directly to the login page.  That may be the best solution.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I doubt it.  When a dialog opens on a web page, NVDA says the word "dialog."  Have you gotten to the alert message or heard its entire text?  On the new page you open, what is this option; is it a link?  Instead of tabbing until you get to it on the new page, use the screen-reader search function and search from the top of the page for the word "open."  See if you can find whatever it is on the page.  If you can't find it, I may find something in firefox that makes finding the alert easier. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

It calls itself an alert and I do get to it eventually by tabbing. Do you still think it is a dialogue?

Thanks!

Sally


On 12/1/2017 9:13 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
This is probably a web dialog. Not a notification. If you install the last release candidate RC 3 of NVDA, then you can find web dialogs by pressing o.

Best
Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.12.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>:

Is there a hotkey for the alerts about logging into a wifi network? I am currently in a building where the wifi needs a sign in after 10 minutes of inactivity and I can't figure out how to get to that sign in page quickly and easily. For now, I am opening a new window in firefox and tabbing around until I find the "open login page" option.


There must be a better way to do this.....

Thanks!

Sally


On 11/30/2017 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Do you mean stop redirection notices?  Alt a is announced as the allow command at the end of the announcement.  If you want to turn off the notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message. 
 
To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options. 
After waiting a moment, tab once.  You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that says something like remember logins.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  You won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure.  Settings take immediate effect.  This is a web page in the browser and since you are on a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you would do while on a web page after you change the setting.  That is, go to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone







Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello Gene,

I like the bookmark idea and will probably go with that.

To answer some of your questions:

It seems to be a series of buttons, I think 3 in total. I have only ever heard the last two which say something along the lines of "open login page" and "close this message," respectively.

Using brows mode to navigate by buttons doesn't work as these buttons seem to not be in the main document. It was one of the first strategies I tried.

For now, I think the bookmark option is the simplest solution.

Thank you!
Sally

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know anything about the add on someone else sent.  I thought of another solution that might be the easiest.  Go to the login page and make a bookmark.  I can tell you how to use the bookmarks search feature to find it quickly and conveniently so you don't have to worry about where it is in the book marks list.  If it doesn't have a distinctive name, give it one when you save it to make it easy to find with the book marks search feature.  Then open a new page when you want to log in and use the book mark to go directly to the login page.  That may be the best solution.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I doubt it.  When a dialog opens on a web page, NVDA says the word "dialog."  Have you gotten to the alert message or heard its entire text?  On the new page you open, what is this option; is it a link?  Instead of tabbing until you get to it on the new page, use the screen-reader search function and search from the top of the page for the word "open."  See if you can find whatever it is on the page.  If you can't find it, I may find something in firefox that makes finding the alert easier. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

It calls itself an alert and I do get to it eventually by tabbing. Do you still think it is a dialogue?

Thanks!

Sally


On 12/1/2017 9:13 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
This is probably a web dialog. Not a notification. If you install the last release candidate RC 3 of NVDA, then you can find web dialogs by pressing o.

Best
Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.12.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>:

Is there a hotkey for the alerts about logging into a wifi network? I am currently in a building where the wifi needs a sign in after 10 minutes of inactivity and I can't figure out how to get to that sign in page quickly and easily. For now, I am opening a new window in firefox and tabbing around until I find the "open login page" option.


There must be a better way to do this.....

Thanks!

Sally


On 11/30/2017 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Do you mean stop redirection notices?  Alt a is announced as the allow command at the end of the announcement.  If you want to turn off the notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message. 
 
To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options. 
After waiting a moment, tab once.  You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that says something like remember logins.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  You won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure.  Settings take immediate effect.  This is a web page in the browser and since you are on a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you would do while on a web page after you change the setting.  That is, go to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone






Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Gene
 

I don't know anything about the add on someone else sent.  I thought of another solution that might be the easiest.  Go to the login page and make a bookmark.  I can tell you how to use the bookmarks search feature to find it quickly and conveniently so you don't have to worry about where it is in the book marks list.  If it doesn't have a distinctive name, give it one when you save it to make it easy to find with the book marks search feature.  Then open a new page when you want to log in and use the book mark to go directly to the login page.  That may be the best solution.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I doubt it.  When a dialog opens on a web page, NVDA says the word "dialog."  Have you gotten to the alert message or heard its entire text?  On the new page you open, what is this option; is it a link?  Instead of tabbing until you get to it on the new page, use the screen-reader search function and search from the top of the page for the word "open."  See if you can find whatever it is on the page.  If you can't find it, I may find something in firefox that makes finding the alert easier. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

It calls itself an alert and I do get to it eventually by tabbing. Do you still think it is a dialogue?

Thanks!

Sally


On 12/1/2017 9:13 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
This is probably a web dialog. Not a notification. If you install the last release candidate RC 3 of NVDA, then you can find web dialogs by pressing o.

Best
Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.12.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>:

Is there a hotkey for the alerts about logging into a wifi network? I am currently in a building where the wifi needs a sign in after 10 minutes of inactivity and I can't figure out how to get to that sign in page quickly and easily. For now, I am opening a new window in firefox and tabbing around until I find the "open login page" option.


There must be a better way to do this.....

Thanks!

Sally


On 11/30/2017 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Do you mean stop redirection notices?  Alt a is announced as the allow command at the end of the announcement.  If you want to turn off the notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message. 
 
To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options. 
After waiting a moment, tab once.  You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that says something like remember logins.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  You won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure.  Settings take immediate effect.  This is a web page in the browser and since you are on a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you would do while on a web page after you change the setting.  That is, go to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone





Re: the equalence add on from atguys or the full version that the sell witch is the better one to get

Gene
 

Try the demos and see which you want.  The add on has lots of artifacts and I wouldn't get it for myself.  If I were going to by one of the two, it would be the SAPI5 version.  But you need to try the demos to see what you think and how they perform on your machine.  I've heard contradictory things about the SAPI5 version, with some people saying it isn't responsive enough and others saying its fine.  also, how do you know you will find the artifacts as annoying as I do in the add on version.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Casey
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 8:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] the equalence add on from atguys or the full version that the sell witch is the better one to get

Hi I am thinking about purchasing the equalence add on from Atguys or
the full sapi 5 version that they sell.

Witch of the two is the better one to get or are they about the same?

I am not mocking the company or saying one is better then the other just
weighing my options before purchasing one or the other is all.



--

Casey




Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Gene
 

I doubt it.  When a dialog opens on a web page, NVDA says the word "dialog."  Have you gotten to the alert message or heard its entire text?  On the new page you open, what is this option; is it a link?  Instead of tabbing until you get to it on the new page, use the screen-reader search function and search from the top of the page for the word "open."  See if you can find whatever it is on the page.  If you can't find it, I may find something in firefox that makes finding the alert easier. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

It calls itself an alert and I do get to it eventually by tabbing. Do you still think it is a dialogue?

Thanks!

Sally


On 12/1/2017 9:13 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
This is probably a web dialog. Not a notification. If you install the last release candidate RC 3 of NVDA, then you can find web dialogs by pressing o.

Best
Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.12.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>:

Is there a hotkey for the alerts about logging into a wifi network? I am currently in a building where the wifi needs a sign in after 10 minutes of inactivity and I can't figure out how to get to that sign in page quickly and easily. For now, I am opening a new window in firefox and tabbing around until I find the "open login page" option.


There must be a better way to do this.....

Thanks!

Sally


On 11/30/2017 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Do you mean stop redirection notices?  Alt a is announced as the allow command at the end of the announcement.  If you want to turn off the notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message. 
 
To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options. 
After waiting a moment, tab once.  You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that says something like remember logins.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  You won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure.  Settings take immediate effect.  This is a web page in the browser and since you are on a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you would do while on a web page after you change the setting.  That is, go to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone





Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Try using this addon:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/949x4ly26igk6oh/MozillaScripts-1.4.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes

Às 14:38 de 05/12/2017, Sally Kiebdaj escreveu:

It calls itself an alert and I do get to it eventually by tabbing. Do you still think it is a dialogue?

Thanks!

Sally


On 12/1/2017 9:13 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
This is probably a web dialog. Not a notification. If you install the last release candidate RC 3 of NVDA, then you can find web dialogs by pressing o.

Best
Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.12.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>:

Is there a hotkey for the alerts about logging into a wifi network? I am currently in a building where the wifi needs a sign in after 10 minutes of inactivity and I can't figure out how to get to that sign in page quickly and easily. For now, I am opening a new window in firefox and tabbing around until I find the "open login page" option.


There must be a better way to do this.....

Thanks!

Sally


On 11/30/2017 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Do you mean stop redirection notices?  Alt a is announced as the allow command at the end of the announcement.  If you want to turn off the notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message. 
 
To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options. 
After waiting a moment, tab once.  You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that says something like remember logins.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  You won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure.  Settings take immediate effect.  This is a web page in the browser and since you are on a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you would do while on a web page after you change the setting.  That is, go to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone






Language learning flashcard website?

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello all,

I am currently taking some language courses and am looking for a flashcard website to replace the dismantled Wordchamp site.

I need a site that allows me to make my own flash cards and that renders the cards as text instead of images: a site that is compatible with screen readers.

Does anyone out there have a favorite site I should try?

Thank you,
Sally


the equalence add on from atguys or the full version that the sell witch is the better one to get

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi I am thinking about purchasing the equalence add on from Atguys or the full sapi 5 version that they sell.

Witch of the two is the better one to get or are they about the same?

I am not mocking the company or saying one is better then the other just weighing my options before purchasing one or the other is all.



--

Casey


Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Sally Kiebdaj
 

It calls itself an alert and I do get to it eventually by tabbing. Do you still think it is a dialogue?

Thanks!

Sally


On 12/1/2017 9:13 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
This is probably a web dialog. Not a notification. If you install the last release candidate RC 3 of NVDA, then you can find web dialogs by pressing o.

Best
Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.12.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>:

Is there a hotkey for the alerts about logging into a wifi network? I am currently in a building where the wifi needs a sign in after 10 minutes of inactivity and I can't figure out how to get to that sign in page quickly and easily. For now, I am opening a new window in firefox and tabbing around until I find the "open login page" option.


There must be a better way to do this.....

Thanks!

Sally


On 11/30/2017 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Do you mean stop redirection notices?  Alt a is announced as the allow command at the end of the announcement.  If you want to turn off the notification completely, I'll write instructions in another message. 
 
To tell Firefox not to offer to remember passwords, do the following.
New main steps start on new lines:
Alt t then o to open options. 
After waiting a moment, tab once.  You are now in a list of categories.
Start down arrowing until you get to security.
If down arrowing stops moving you before you get there, up arrow once then continue down arrowing.
Once you get to security, start tabbing until you get to a checkbox that says something like remember logins.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  You won't be asked any longer.
There is no ok button in this dialog-like structure.  Settings take immediate effect.  This is a web page in the browser and since you are on a web page that mimics a dialog, do whatever you want to do that you would do while on a web page after you change the setting.  That is, go to another page by using a book mark, close the browser, etc.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone





Re: Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version

Hareth
 

Here you go to subscribe:
espeak-ng+subscribe@groups.io

On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
What do I do to subscribe by sending an email, by the way?
I don't really want to mess around on the web for this.
brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


The developer created a mailing list for that, here is the link:
https://groups.io/g/espeak-ng

On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
It would also be good to see a very clear message somewhere permanent
about

somewhere we can interact with the current Espeak team and shall we say,

not

be sort of ignored as noise.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


We changed from using eSpeak NG 1.49.1 in 2017.3 to using 1.49.2, but
for
those not using the Next or Master snaps, the RC builds (or the final
2017.4 when it comes out) are likely the first time they've tried it.
So,
as Brian guessed, it's likely that the issues here are not specific to
this
RC as such, but to the change in eSpeak version, since the RCs are a
bit
more widely distributed. It would be good to get confirmation from
Marco
though.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I got the impressing it was RCs in this series actually.
I have certainly noticed some strangenesses in Espeak on recent
snapshots
since the last two updates of espeak NG, none for the better
particularly
in English hence my work around mentioned in my reply.

I guess the most noticable is the way it says the word for in some
circumstances, making it into fur. Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <
antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


Your subject line refers to the new RC version.

Is this problem something new in the latest RC version and did not
exist
in
earlier (RC or otherwise) versions, or does the same problem also
exist

in
older (especially standard release) versions of NVDA?


Antony.

On Monday 04 December 2017 at 11:43:33, Marco Oros wrote:

Hi!

At the first, where can I inform about this thing of NVDA misstakes
of,
for example Espeak NG?

Because I have noticed, that new Mandarin Chinese is badly
pronounced
in
NVDA in that way, that syllable and some kind of number. Maybe, this
is
problem of Espeak NG, but I am not shure.

Nextly, arabic letter meem is pronounced in Espeak, like meetar, but

I
think, that It is incorrect.

Where can I issued those things?

Thank You.

Marco Oros
--
"If I've told you once, I've told you a million times - stop
exaggerating!"

Please reply to the
list;
please
*don't*
CC
me.






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
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Re: Invoice software

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I wouldn't a suggested it, if it weren't accessible, and I knew so. LOL! Smile. Heheheheh.
 
Seriously though, the last that I heard, it was.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invoice software

Thanks for your email.
I will look at the website you have suggested.
Does anybody know if it's NVDA/JAWS accessible?
Nicholas Stevens
Home: (021) 712 9022
Cell: 079 045 8029
Fax: 086 732 9993
E-Mail: nicolas.stevens@...

Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invoice software

GNUcash is wonderful! on Linux, but yeah, on the mac, and Windows, I've found it to be disgusting!
 
Have you thought about Quickbooks? I get that for just a personal budget, this probably will be way, and I do mean, way! overkill, but it's probably the best I've found.
 
I'm told! about a web based sollution which is totally free, but I've not yet had the chance to look at it. I hear it's totally accessible though, and might do perfect for what you're asking:
 
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:48 AM
Subject: [nvda] Invoice software

Good afternoon all,
Please could somebody tell me if there is any invoice software that is compattable with NVDA.
I'm looking for a basic book-keeping programme that I can set up to track my monthly personal expenses.
My IT expert suggested the following programme:
When installing with JAWS the installation is completely accessible. It is only not accessible once the installation is complete and when you want to work in the actual programme.
If anybody can assist me with advice I would be really grateful.
Regards
Nicholas Stevens
Home: (021) 712 9022
Cell: 079 045 8029
Fax: 086 732 9993
E-Mail: nicolas.stevens@...


Re: Question about Excel

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I can't tell you how many times I've used these commands while in the ribbon. It really does speed up your workflow!
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about Excel

Not if you know how to use the control right arrow and control left arrow commands.  They don't move through every item.  they move to each category.  If you are in Windows Live Mail, for example, you can move to the home ribbon with alt h.  then you can use control right arrow to get to a category, such as respond, where you can tab through items in the category and continue tabbing if you wish.  but if a ribbon has seven categories and there are seven or eight items in each category, you can control right arrow to the category that sounds logical to find the item.  If you want to reply to an e-mail, respond is the logical category.  If you land on a category such as respond, either by tabbing until you get there or by control right or left arrow, you will be in the category and on the first item.  You will hear the name of the category, respond, for example, and, if you wait for everything to be read, you will hear that you are on reply. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about Excel

That‘s right. But by using object nav you can navigate much faster to functions where you usually press 20 times tab. Apart from the productivity aspect it gives you the possibility to easily explore and visualize the menu structure. Ofcourse you can combine object navigation with usual navigation to reach functions even faster.
Don‘t rely only on one navigation mode. There are always shorter ways from a to b.


Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 04.12.2017 um 14:23 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

You don't have to use object navigation in ribbons.  Ribbons are, in essence, menus that you tab through.  I say in essence because that is an oversimplification but that's the essence of what ribbons are.  they are fully accessible from the keyboard.  If a ribbon has menus in it, you will hear things as you tab like button and if you let text read and not tab to the next item before reading is finished, you will hear if the button opens a submenu.  use space bar or enter on the button and a menu will open.  In menus, in a menu program, if you up and down arrow in a menu, if you let items read submenu will be announced if you move to one.  The same thing will happen in a ribbon.  any menu you tab to in a ribbon is announced as a submenu.  Why?  Maybe its because ribbons are, in essence, as I said, menus you tab through.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about Excel

Press alt, then one time tab and then start exploring the menu groups by object navigation. You will see all cathegories of the ribbon start.

Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 04.12.2017 um 12:41 schrieb Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>:

Alt H is the home tab, however, where does O take me? I like knowing the hierarchy of where in the ribbon I am going. This way I better understand the workflow.

nonetheless, thank you profusely for your help!

Chris.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 06:32, softwarethatworks@... wrote:

Hello Chris:

 

To insert a new worksheet, press Shift+F11. You can also press Alt+H, I, S.

 

To rename a sheet, press Alt+H, O, R.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question about Excel

 

I have been asked to prepare an Excel document which will contain several worksheets within the one workbook.

 

I have tried and tried and tried, and cannot find a way to do the following tasks, and hope someone can give me the steps.

 

1. How do I create a new worksheet within a workbook?

 

2. I know about ctrl+tabbing to move between worksheets, but how do I focus myself on the worksheet tabs, so I can right click one of them and select the rename option?

 

Yes, I've looked in the ribbon, but don't see anything which appears obvious for either of these questions.

 

Chris.


Re: Question about Excel

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


You might have not been aware of this, but when in your lower ribbon on a particular tab, you don't need to press your arrows 20 gazillian times as you said. You can move group by group on the lower ribbon with ctrl+left and CTRL+right arrow.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about Excel

That‘s right. But by using object nav you can navigate much faster to functions where you usually press 20 times tab. Apart from the productivity aspect it gives you the possibility to easily explore and visualize the menu structure. Ofcourse you can combine object navigation with usual navigation to reach functions even faster.
Don‘t rely only on one navigation mode. There are always shorter ways from a to b.


Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 04.12.2017 um 14:23 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

You don't have to use object navigation in ribbons.  Ribbons are, in essence, menus that you tab through.  I say in essence because that is an oversimplification but that's the essence of what ribbons are.  they are fully accessible from the keyboard.  If a ribbon has menus in it, you will hear things as you tab like button and if you let text read and not tab to the next item before reading is finished, you will hear if the button opens a submenu.  use space bar or enter on the button and a menu will open.  In menus, in a menu program, if you up and down arrow in a menu, if you let items read submenu will be announced if you move to one.  The same thing will happen in a ribbon.  any menu you tab to in a ribbon is announced as a submenu.  Why?  Maybe its because ribbons are, in essence, as I said, menus you tab through.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about Excel

Press alt, then one time tab and then start exploring the menu groups by object navigation. You will see all cathegories of the ribbon start.

Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 04.12.2017 um 12:41 schrieb Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>:

Alt H is the home tab, however, where does O take me? I like knowing the hierarchy of where in the ribbon I am going. This way I better understand the workflow.

nonetheless, thank you profusely for your help!

Chris.


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On Dec 4, 2017, at 06:32, softwarethatworks@... wrote:

Hello Chris:

To insert a new worksheet, press Shift+F11. You can also press Alt+H, I, S.

To rename a sheet, press Alt+H, O, R.

Hope this helps.

Rick

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question about Excel

I have been asked to prepare an Excel document which will contain several worksheets within the one workbook.

I have tried and tried and tried, and cannot find a way to do the following tasks, and hope someone can give me the steps.

1. How do I create a new worksheet within a workbook?

2. I know about ctrl+tabbing to move between worksheets, but how do I focus myself on the worksheet tabs, so I can right click one of them and select the rename option?

Yes, I've looked in the ribbon, but don't see anything which appears obvious for either of these questions.

Chris.


Re: nvda 2017.3 and opening multiple applications

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I think a little more about the hardware spec might be informative here. When you say it hangs. Does it hang or is it just very slow?
If you can tell us what applications cause this that too would be a help. It is not uncommon as has been mentioned already, for power saving to be responsible for slow downs, but usually its things like zooming up and down explorer file lists and the like that tend to get slow.
I find that not only should you select always on on any machine, but also that you may need to look at power management and see if the processor is being kept at around 10 percent of its real speed during access by nvda. Its not uncommon for Windows not to spot one of its cores is maxing out. I presume this is a limitation of Windows, but you can fix it by setting the idling speed up considerably. However all of this will use more battery, so if you run on battery a lot you might need to play around here to get an acceptable result.
another thing to bear in mind is that if your machine came from a bulk store or warehouse seller its more than likely packed with software that runs at start up and is just there as a trial and is probably best uninstalled as soon as possible. Beware though. Doing this with an Office product has caused issues with screenreaders in the past.
Also, it might be worth knowing what anti virus or malware solution is on the system. I think generally we tend to say, remove all of the third party stuff avg, avast Norton etc, and stick to Windows defender and maybe a third party run manually program like malwarebytes.

So let folk here know and in the meantime learn about Narrator as if things freeze in nvda it may well be that Narrator which is built in can shed some light on what is going on.
One last thing, do you use a Braille display?
OK lots to go on with there, but certainly the majority of people have not had the issue you report if the machine is at all capable of running windows 10.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marisane Moruthanyana" <marisanem@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 6:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda 2017.3 and opening multiple applications


Morning guys

I am Marisane from SA.

I use nvda as my screen reader on my win10 laptop.

I have just bought the laptop.

It came with win10.

I, before, used jaws without this problem.

I cannot open more than one application without nvda freezing.

It freezes and continuously goes unresponsive as well as even decides
to sometimes stop talking.

It is frustrating me as it is now my only screen reader to access
applications in win10.

Your assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.


May I also ask this question?

How does one know that one's laptop has windows10 fall creators?

Please help.

Regards
Marisane
On 12/5/17, Rayn Darren <rayndarren@gmail.com> wrote:
Evening everyone,

I joined two groups today and cannot for the life of me find how to post to
them. I don't know if this is an NVDA things or and I'm missing the obvious
thing. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Rayn



Re: Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version

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What do I do to subscribe by sending an email, by the way?
I don't really want to mess around on the web for this.
brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


The developer created a mailing list for that, here is the link:
https://groups.io/g/espeak-ng

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It would also be good to see a very clear message somewhere permanent about

somewhere we can interact with the current Espeak team and shall we say, not

be sort of ignored as noise.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


We changed from using eSpeak NG 1.49.1 in 2017.3 to using 1.49.2, but for
those not using the Next or Master snaps, the RC builds (or the final
2017.4 when it comes out) are likely the first time they've tried it.
So,
as Brian guessed, it's likely that the issues here are not specific to
this
RC as such, but to the change in eSpeak version, since the RCs are a bit
more widely distributed. It would be good to get confirmation from Marco
though.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I got the impressing it was RCs in this series actually.
I have certainly noticed some strangenesses in Espeak on recent
snapshots
since the last two updates of espeak NG, none for the better
particularly
in English hence my work around mentioned in my reply.

I guess the most noticable is the way it says the word for in some
circumstances, making it into fur. Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <
antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


Your subject line refers to the new RC version.

Is this problem something new in the latest RC version and did not
exist
in
earlier (RC or otherwise) versions, or does the same problem also exist

in
older (especially standard release) versions of NVDA?


Antony.

On Monday 04 December 2017 at 11:43:33, Marco Oros wrote:

Hi!

At the first, where can I inform about this thing of NVDA misstakes
of,
for example Espeak NG?

Because I have noticed, that new Mandarin Chinese is badly pronounced
in
NVDA in that way, that syllable and some kind of number. Maybe, this
is
problem of Espeak NG, but I am not shure.

Nextly, arabic letter meem is pronounced in Espeak, like meetar, but I
think, that It is incorrect.

Where can I issued those things?

Thank You.

Marco Oros
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Re: Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version

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I'm not disputing that they did, but I bet most don't know it exists.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


The developer created a mailing list for that, here is the link:
https://groups.io/g/espeak-ng

On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
It would also be good to see a very clear message somewhere permanent about

somewhere we can interact with the current Espeak team and shall we say, not

be sort of ignored as noise.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


We changed from using eSpeak NG 1.49.1 in 2017.3 to using 1.49.2, but for
those not using the Next or Master snaps, the RC builds (or the final
2017.4 when it comes out) are likely the first time they've tried it.
So,
as Brian guessed, it's likely that the issues here are not specific to
this
RC as such, but to the change in eSpeak version, since the RCs are a bit
more widely distributed. It would be good to get confirmation from Marco
though.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I got the impressing it was RCs in this series actually.
I have certainly noticed some strangenesses in Espeak on recent
snapshots
since the last two updates of espeak NG, none for the better
particularly
in English hence my work around mentioned in my reply.

I guess the most noticable is the way it says the word for in some
circumstances, making it into fur. Brian

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briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <
antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


Your subject line refers to the new RC version.

Is this problem something new in the latest RC version and did not
exist
in
earlier (RC or otherwise) versions, or does the same problem also exist

in
older (especially standard release) versions of NVDA?


Antony.

On Monday 04 December 2017 at 11:43:33, Marco Oros wrote:

Hi!

At the first, where can I inform about this thing of NVDA misstakes
of,
for example Espeak NG?

Because I have noticed, that new Mandarin Chinese is badly pronounced
in
NVDA in that way, that syllable and some kind of number. Maybe, this
is
problem of Espeak NG, but I am not shure.

Nextly, arabic letter meem is pronounced in Espeak, like meetar, but I
think, that It is incorrect.

Where can I issued those things?

Thank You.

Marco Oros
--
"If I've told you once, I've told you a million times - stop
exaggerating!"

Please reply to the
list;
please *don't*
CC
me.






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

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