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Re: preview pane in t-bird

Gene
 

I wish I could take credit for things I don't do but it was Ron who provided a direct link.  I provided a Drop Box link and there may be no difference in the version, but I haven't checked.
 
The view pane, called the reading pane in Thunderbird, is in a submenu in the view menu.  Open the layout submenu and you will find an item called reading pane. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 11:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] preview pane in t-bird

Hi all,


Having installed the mozilla add-on, thanks to Gene's direct link, I
have been trying to find a setting for the preview pane in T-bird and
I'm coming up empty. I've been going through the menus systematically,
but I know they can change depending on where you are in the program
when you start this process. I've been in the message list and am not
seeing anything about envoking a preview pane; I thought I'd see it in
the view menu.

Mary




Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

Tony Malykh
 

Hi everyone,

Many websites have tree-like structure of comments. For
example, reddit, hacker news, and probably a lot more websites are
like this. Sometimes I would like to read some comments, but for
example I would like to read only the top-level comments, and not the
deeper levels, because that would be the replies to the top-level
comments, and they are typically not as interesting. Is there any way
to achieve this with NVDA?

So, for example, I would like to have a key combination to jump to the
next same level comment. Right now I can only jump to the next comment
of any level by searching a keyword ("up vote" or something, that
appears next to every comment), and then I'd have to deduce in my mind
what level comment is this. It is very tedious to browse comments this way.

Another way that might help me would be to figure out the level of the
current comment. At least I'd be able to move down through the
comments without reading them and without trying to deduce its level
from the contents.

I can use Firefox, Google Chrome and IE, so I'd be happy to find a solution that works in any of these browsers.

Any advice would be appreciated!
Tony


Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

Sarah k Alawami
 

No. You do'thear it but if you detect anythig odd you just now it might be the drive. You can also do a scan o the disk as well. My ssd has ben going for 3 years on my mac and it's still pretty good. A bit slower but still pretty good.

On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:59 PM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:

How do you know when a pc with and ssd drive is running? If you can't see it, is there still something you can hear? Both our pcs still have regular drives so we're curious.
Original message:
Once you go SSD you don't want to ever go back. You can if needed but
you really don't want to techy or no techy. I might hate the size of
the SSD on my Mac book pro but I love that it has one. My windows
10 custom built Machine flies because of this SSD and the fact it does
have a pretty nice processor.
On 12/4/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
well, lets say you opened 5000 documents a year. With a time save of 3
seconds, you save about 15000 seconds a year, which is alot. And believe
me, it is much more than that. I have probably saved hours of my life
with my ssd. Some of these things, like an ssd can only be experienced,
not described. The benchmarks only hint at the performance improvement.
So my suggestion gene, is for you to someday try using a system with an
ssd for just 5 minutes, and I garantee you you will never want to go
back to a normal harddrive.

On 12/4/2017 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
I should have said, let's say it takes one second using an SSD drive.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:23 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
Let's say it takes four seconds to open Microsoft Word using a
mechanical drive. let's say it takes one second using a mechanical
drive. How have I saved any amount of time that means anything? If I
open word and load a document and I spend four seconds to open the
program and four seconds in actual loading time after I find the
document and press enter in the open dialog, then I spend twenty
minutes working with the document or even ten minutes, how is eight
seconds a meaningful amount of time? I can leave one or two programs
opened, if I wish, if I use them a lot.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Lenron <mailto:lenron93@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
Agreed even when doing simple things an ssd is faster. This is just
facts.
On 12/3/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...
<mailto:enes.saribas@...>> wrote:
hi,
I respectfully disagree. The speed difference from an ssd is so massive
that, even with very simplistic daily tasks, getting an ssd can be a
massive time saver. I agree that anyone who can aford it should get
an ssd.

On 12/3/2017 5:48 PM, Gene wrote:
At some point, perhaps as early as Windows 7, Windows won't even let
you defragment SSD drives, as I recall.
On another subject related to SSD drives, I consider sweeping
statements such as, these days, everyone should have SSD drives to be
far too prescriptive and overgeneral. If you do things where speed
matters, copying lots of large files, converting lots of large files,
doing a lot of recording of long works and exporting the recording to
a compressed format such as MP3, and other uses I haven't though of
while at the moment, then it would make sense. but if you mainly do
things like word processing, web browsing, and other typical uses, I
don't consider it important. there are some people who just want
everything to be very fast, they don't want programs to take one or
two seconds to open, they want a program to open almost instantly. If
they want to spend the money for emotional satisfaction and
indulgence, fine, but not everyone wants or needs hotrods, whetgher in
computers, cars, or anywhere else.
There may be another time when having an SSD drive might be important,
others may wish to comment. If you have a laptop, and are going to
use it under conditions where it will be jostled and jolted somewhat
severely or severely while in use, such as driving over rather rough
or very rough roads, then I would think an SSD would be a good idea
or important.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:42 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
I would be very interested if you could post some links to the
information
about SSDs becoming unwriteable.
Regarding defragmenting an SSD - there is absolutely no point.
The whole purpose of defragmenting a traditional spinning hard disk
was to get
all the parts of a single file together, instead of being spread
(fragmented)
across the drive, which happens when small files are deleted and then
larger
ones are written into the gaps afterwards. Having the entire file
together in
one place is much more efficient for reading it later than having it
spread
around the disk (because it takes time for the mechanical heads to go
and find
all the different parts).
With an SSD, accessing one part is just as efficient as any other -
nothing
needs to move to get to the next part, so fragmented files are no less
efficient
to read than complete ones.

Antony.
On Sunday 03 December 2017 at 11:35:19, The Gamages wrote:
Hello,
Regarding SSDs, as I understand it, there is a slight issue with
these in
that some memory can become un writable, it can still be read, but
nothing
further can be writtten into it.
I realise that this can take a long time to happen and, if the drive
is a
large capacity, it may never be an issue.
I am only raising this point because I don’t fully understand the
consequences of this.
I was told by a computer engineer that it is not a good idea to de
fragment
a solid state drive for this reason, it can make some memory un
writable if
it is done regularly and is not really necessary on this sort of
drive.
Comments please, even if you shoot me down in flames,[smile]..
Best Regards, Jim.
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than
before
Keep in mind AMD has just released their ryzen mobile processors, so
that
should be interesting. Similar to Intel, it will be Ryzen 3 =
intel i3,
ryzen 5 = intel i5, ryzen 7 = intel i7.
In these modern days, hard drives truly limit the speed of a
computer. If
you can afford it, even if it takes a little longer to save up,
go for
something with a solid state drive. You’ll never go back again.
Even a
cheap windows tablet with a 64 gb ssd is going to beat the socks
off of
that huge i5 with a 1 tb spinning hard drives in booting up, general
snappyness around windows. Web browsing not so much but even so the
solid
state drive is what makes or breaks a computer and is why you can
get
by
with a core i3 or equal from AMD.
Sean has a good point about soundcards these days, too. And even
with
headphones on it can still be painful with speech – so try and play
with
them in the store using narrator.
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Re: Chrome

David Griffith
 

If this is possible via a key toggle I too would dearly  like to know.

As far as I can tell the key toggle only exists  on chrome OS for some reason and you have to< I thinkg  go into chrome tools  and extensions menu and from there disable chrome Vox from there.

I really hope that somebody tells me that I am wrong however.

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From: Rayn Darren
Sent: 06 December 2017 00:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Chrome

 

Hi group,

 

Forgive me if this has been asked already, but how do I turn the voice off for chrome? It’s interfering with NVDA and causing me no end of trouble.

 

Thanks,

Rayn

 

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Windows 10 ADVISORY: you need to use NVDA 2017.4 if you want to install it on Windows 10 on ARM

 

Hi all,

 

Another advisory/directive, this time a notice concerning a new technology in Windows 10:

 

If you come across Windows 10 on ARM (always connected PC’s) and wish to use NVDA on it, you need to install 2017.4 or later. NVDA 2017.4 will recognize these PC’s as running Windows 10 64-bit, though performance won’t be as smooth as Windows 10 on x64 processors for now.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

It was brought to developers’ attention that some people were having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were using Windows 7 RTM build. Thus the following community directive:

 

In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or later is ABSOLUTELY required.

 

To find out which Windows release you’ve got:

 

  1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
  2. Type “winver” without quotes and press Enter.
  3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.

 

If the build number is 7601 or higher, you’re all set. If it is lower than that:

 

  • If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
  • If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600), then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.

 

In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: preview pane in t-bird

John Isige
 

view/layout/message pane. You can toggle it with F8 I think.

On 12/6/2017 11:28, Mary Otten wrote:
Hi all,


Having installed the mozilla add-on, thanks to Gene's direct link, I have been trying to find a setting for the preview pane in T-bird and I'm coming up empty. I've been going through the menus systematically, but I know they can change depending on where you are in the program when you start this process. I've been in the message list and am not seeing anything about envoking a preview pane; I thought I'd see it in the view menu.


Mary



Re: Emoticon is not readable in the latest master snapshot

 

I agree, a lot of the new pronounciations just don't work.

As I said before I would have been happy if we roled all the way back to espeak the last version and never update it at least the english databases.

They were fine as they were ages ago back in 2013 or there abouts.

On 7/12/2017 1:46 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The whole problem which I suggested should really have meant rolling back espeak since its got other proglems too, revolved around it crashing espeak when certain characters were encountered. To get the release out the function in Espeak has been disabled as it was the inclusion of the dictionaries that was crashing the speech engine. It also was not identifying these collections of symbols correctly which was also probably why it fell over when only one was seen, come to think of it.
My advice would have been roll back two versions of espeak as the pronunciations are rubbish in uk English in some areas and the version in Speech Player in Espeak is in fact far far better for uk English speakers and there were no crashes either.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 1:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Emoticon is not readable in the latest master snapshot


I tested the NVDA version master-14687,6aa892b3
it does not read the Emoticon, but when I checked to review the pasted copy it was there. Does anyone experiencing this or to replicate the issue. Thanks.

Robert Mendoza






Re: Emoticon is not readable in the latest master snapshot

tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

Are you able to write imogees too with NVDA or just read them? How do you write them if you can?


Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

Interesting David. Thanks for explaining. I didn't know you could turn narrator on as it's booting. Is this your main laptop? I just worry about filling that drive up in 5 minutes. smile.
Original message:

Hi guys!
My HP Stream 11 has a SSD drive, and no fan. I have nothing to hear what so ever. It makes it interesting, because sometimes, it locks, and I can’t tell if it is still on or has it totally turned off LOL! Sometimes, it comes down to holding down the power button a few seconds and then I know I have shut it down. Then, I just tap the power button, and it turns on. Now, when you start the computer, you can turn on Narrator quickly, and it will take you through the start up before JAWS or NVDA starts talking LOL!
It has been an adventure, but this baby only weighs 2 and a half pounds, and has a 128 Gig SSD Drive, and four Gigs of ram. This thing never gets hot, so it does not need a fan LOL!
Take care, guys!
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
From: Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before
If you have a hybrid laptop, you do not have any sound!
Às 22:29 de 05/12/2017, Antony Stone escreveu:

There is no sound from an SSD. The machine will still have a system fan for

the CPU and RAM, however, which you may be able to hear.




Antony.




On Tuesday 05 December 2017 at 22:59:57, tina sohl wrote:




How do you know when a pc with and ssd drive is running? If you can't

see it, is there still something you can hear? Both our pcs still have

regular drives so we're curious.



Rui


Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Brice Mijares
 

Would you kindly explain what this ad on manager is for? Also how it's works? Thank You.

On 12/6/2017 9:08 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,
For some reason, this direct download link for the Mozilla scripts is buried deep within pages.
Try this direct link which I found and it works and has the proper extension to immediately launch NVDA's add-on manager.
https://github.com/javidominguez/MozillaScripts/releases/download/1.4/MozillaScripts-1.4.nvda-addon Clickon the link labeled:
On 12/6/2017 10:11 AM, Rob Hudson wrote:
Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Is there a way to download the add on already complete as the Drop Box link was?  The Drop Box link was useable in the standard way.
There might be, but I did not investigate the linked page thoroughly enough to find it. I have seen this before so I knew what to do when I got the
"xxx-master.zip"
file. All you need to do is a little file manipulation and you have it installed.




preview pane in t-bird

Mary Otten
 

Hi all,


Having installed the mozilla add-on, thanks to Gene's direct link, I have been trying to find a setting for the preview pane in T-bird and I'm coming up empty. I've been going through the menus systematically, but I know they can change depending on where you are in the program when you start this process. I've been in the message list and am not seeing anything about envoking a preview pane; I thought I'd see it in the view menu.


Mary


Re: Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version

 

hi quentin,

may i request the problem hear?
iranian people reported problem with espeak ng new version.
they told that espeak voice became more robatic and unpleasant and
also many words which spoked previously correctly, now espeak ng says
them wrong!
we put punctuation level none and nvda speaks some of them!
even we cant select to use farsi with english US or english Uk!
hope that someone help the iranian users of new espeak ng too.
God bless you all!

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Thanks I've sent off an email to see what occurs.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


Here you go to subscribe:
espeak-ng+subscribe@groups.io

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
What do I do to subscribe by sending an email, by the way?
I don't really want to mess around on the web for this.
brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


The developer created a mailing list for that, here is the link:
https://groups.io/g/espeak-ng

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
It would also be good to see a very clear message somewhere permanent
about

somewhere we can interact with the current Espeak team and shall we
say,

not

be sort of ignored as noise.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


We changed from using eSpeak NG 1.49.1 in 2017.3 to using 1.49.2, but
for
those not using the Next or Master snaps, the RC builds (or the final
2017.4 when it comes out) are likely the first time they've tried it.
So,
as Brian guessed, it's likely that the issues here are not specific
to
this
RC as such, but to the change in eSpeak version, since the RCs are a
bit
more widely distributed. It would be good to get confirmation from
Marco
though.

Regards

Quentin.

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<
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I got the impressing it was RCs in this series actually.
I have certainly noticed some strangenesses in Espeak on recent
snapshots
since the last two updates of espeak NG, none for the better
particularly
in English hence my work around mentioned in my reply.

I guess the most noticable is the way it says the word for in some
circumstances, making it into fur. Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <
antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


Your subject line refers to the new RC version.

Is this problem something new in the latest RC version and did not
exist
in
earlier (RC or otherwise) versions, or does the same problem also
exist

in
older (especially standard release) versions of NVDA?


Antony.

On Monday 04 December 2017 at 11:43:33, Marco Oros wrote:

Hi!

At the first, where can I inform about this thing of NVDA
misstakes
of,
for example Espeak NG?

Because I have noticed, that new Mandarin Chinese is badly
pronounced
in
NVDA in that way, that syllable and some kind of number. Maybe,
this
is
problem of Espeak NG, but I am not shure.

Nextly, arabic letter meem is pronounced in Espeak, like meetar,
but

I
think, that It is incorrect.

Where can I issued those things?

Thank You.

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Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Mary Otten
 

Thanks a lot, Gene! Very helpful.


Mary

On 12/6/2017 9:08 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


For some reason, this direct download link for the Mozilla scripts is buried deep within pages.

Try this direct link which I found and it works and has the proper extension to immediately launch NVDA's add-on manager.

https://github.com/javidominguez/MozillaScripts/releases/download/1.4/MozillaScripts-1.4.nvda-addon


Clickon the link labeled:




On 12/6/2017 10:11 AM, Rob Hudson wrote:
Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Is there a way to download the add on already complete as the Drop Box link was?  The Drop Box link was useable in the standard way.
There might be, but I did not investigate the linked page thoroughly enough to find it. I have seen this before so I knew what to do when I got the
"xxx-master.zip"
file. All you need to do is a little file manipulation and you have it installed.




Re: How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


For some reason, this direct download link for the Mozilla scripts is buried deep within pages.

Try this direct link which I found and it works and has the proper extension to immediately launch NVDA's add-on manager.

https://github.com/javidominguez/MozillaScripts/releases/download/1.4/MozillaScripts-1.4.nvda-addon


Clickon the link labeled:

On 12/6/2017 10:11 AM, Rob Hudson wrote:
Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Is there a way to download the add on already complete as the Drop Box link was? The Drop Box link was useable in the standard way.
There might be, but I did not investigate the linked page thoroughly enough to find it. I have seen this before so I knew what to do when I got the
"xxx-master.zip"
file. All you need to do is a little file manipulation and you have it installed.


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Re: Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version

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Thanks I've sent off an email to see what occurs.
brain

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


Here you go to subscribe:
espeak-ng+subscribe@groups.io

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
What do I do to subscribe by sending an email, by the way?
I don't really want to mess around on the web for this.
brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


The developer created a mailing list for that, here is the link:
https://groups.io/g/espeak-ng

On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
It would also be good to see a very clear message somewhere permanent
about

somewhere we can interact with the current Espeak team and shall we say,

not

be sort of ignored as noise.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


We changed from using eSpeak NG 1.49.1 in 2017.3 to using 1.49.2, but
for
those not using the Next or Master snaps, the RC builds (or the final
2017.4 when it comes out) are likely the first time they've tried it.
So,
as Brian guessed, it's likely that the issues here are not specific to
this
RC as such, but to the change in eSpeak version, since the RCs are a
bit
more widely distributed. It would be good to get confirmation from
Marco
though.

Regards

Quentin.

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I got the impressing it was RCs in this series actually.
I have certainly noticed some strangenesses in Espeak on recent
snapshots
since the last two updates of espeak NG, none for the better
particularly
in English hence my work around mentioned in my reply.

I guess the most noticable is the way it says the word for in some
circumstances, making it into fur. Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version


Your subject line refers to the new RC version.

Is this problem something new in the latest RC version and did not
exist
in
earlier (RC or otherwise) versions, or does the same problem also
exist

in
older (especially standard release) versions of NVDA?


Antony.

On Monday 04 December 2017 at 11:43:33, Marco Oros wrote:

Hi!

At the first, where can I inform about this thing of NVDA misstakes
of,
for example Espeak NG?

Because I have noticed, that new Mandarin Chinese is badly
pronounced
in
NVDA in that way, that syllable and some kind of number. Maybe, this
is
problem of Espeak NG, but I am not shure.

Nextly, arabic letter meem is pronounced in Espeak, like meetar, but

I
think, that It is incorrect.

Where can I issued those things?

Thank You.

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Re: How does NVDA read text boxes?

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I gave up and asked them to take them out, since nobody I knew no matter what screenreader they used seemed to be able to solve the problem either.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] How does NVDA read text boxes?


I received a word document that appeared to be blank. Turns out it is a series of 15 text boxes of information. How can I read stinkin' text boxes with NVDA???

Thanks



Re: How does NVDA read text boxes?

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Yes I had terrible trouble in word with supernova and different versions of word seemed to completely screw it up each time as well. I often wondered why when Microsoft was writing a new version, they did not make finding the objects and the things inside them more easy from the screenreader point of view. I did try Jaws once back on XP but found that awful as well.

On the other hand of course, many sighted people find creating and using such presentation items a bit less than intuitive as well. maybe we just don't need them in the first place.
Hides behind sofa.
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Hi Ann

This discussion came up before, at
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/2261984?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

here is one way of doing it.

This works because,once you are in a text box (or picture or other object)
you can press TAB to move between them.

here is what you need to do.
1 Save the document, to keep any changes you want to keep .
2 Add a text box into a document by pressing alt+n, x, enter
3 Press escape once (so you are out of the text itself but the text box is
still selected),
4 You can press TAB to move between the objects in the document (this wraps
so if you press TAB on the last object in the document it will jump back to
the first object).
5 Remove the text box you just added, by exiting the document without
saving changes.

Text boxes are difficult for a screen reader to access.

You can read the full article at
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/2261984?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0





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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:

I received a word document that appeared to be blank. Turns out it is a
series of 15 text boxes of information. How can I read stinkin' text boxes
with NVDA???

Thanks





Re: efficient reading of messages in Outlook 2016 with NVDA

Mary Otten
 

Hi all,


I just looked at a brief document on the MS website regarding threading of messages in Outlook 2016. It looks complicated. I'm just wondering if there is a way to have conversation view and still get the benefit of efficient message reading. Advantage of conversation view is that if you have a thread that does not interest you, you can get rid of the whole thing at once. But then that would seem to preclude the ability to have a message open, delete it and automatically move to the next message and have it start reading. I guess maybe you can't have it both ways? I'd like to be wrong.


Mary

On 12/5/2017 4:34 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Mary,

I used to read e-mail this way when I used to use Window Bridge with Eudora. I no longer use this approach. It is easier to skim message summaries, open the ones I am interested in and then continue. Having said that, configure outlook to move to the next message and try the approach. This is an outlook configuration more than a NVDA configuration. Yes, how much of the e-mail header is read remains to be tested.

Pranav



Re: question re nvaccess site and training materials

 

your welcome, its my pleasure.
i opened shop with my favorite version of firefox (version 51) and the
links work for me.
i have the name of material and aftter each item, i have add to cart link.

On 12/6/17, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
Thanks, Shara. I can access the shop; I was jusst curious what might be
happening with firefox to make finding that link not possible. Quite
probably operator error, but I was curious. I have not yet upgraded to
the most recent release of NVDA.


Mary


On 12/6/2017 7:53 AM, zahra wrote:
hi mary.
just copy this link and peist in the address bar, i think it should
work for you.
https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
hope that help, God bless you!

On 12/6/17, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
I suppose this is mostly directed at Quenton. My experience with the
access site is that I absolutely can't get to the "shop" link using
firefox esr version, but with IE11, it is easy. Why might that be? I
mean, I can't even find it with the find command when using ff.


also, with regard to the  ebooks for Word and the basic training
materials, what format are those in? I didn't see that mentioned on the
training materials page.


Thanks.


Mary







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