Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.

On Dec 6, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Joseph

What are these ram thing you are talking about? Is it like the processor that they used on the RT versions of windows but modified?

Are they the ones found on window phones etc?

Gene nz

On 12/7/2017 7:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Another advisory/directive, this time a notice concerning a new technology in Windows 10:

 

If you come across Windows 10 on ARM (always connected PC’s) and wish to use NVDA on it, you need to install 2017.4 or later. NVDA 2017.4 will recognize these PC’s as running Windows 10 64-bit, though performance won’t be as smooth as Windows 10 on x64 processors for now.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

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On 07-Dec-2017, at 6:28 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Let's try this method: can a car run without an engine? I want folks
to find out the answer on their own this time please.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pranav Lal
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

Hi all,

Given that NVDA now supports arm 64 windows, can it run on Windows IOT
running on a raspberry pi 3?

Pranav

On 07-Dec-2017, at 6:28 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Let's try this method: can a car run without an engine? I want folks to find
out the answer on their own this time please.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav
Lal
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

Hi all,

Given that NVDA now supports arm 64 windows, can it run on Windows IOT
running on a raspberry pi 3?

Pranav

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Point presentation access

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Point presentation access

Well another thing you can do is get a light probe aparently this works and can tell if something is active or not but I have never needed to use one but still I have heard it be done.




On 7/12/2017 12:17 p.m., David Moore wrote:

Hi!
With my SSD computer with no fan, If I have no speech, and I think it should be running, I do the following.
I press CTRL+Windows+enter to see if Narrator comes on.
If it does not, than I check to see if my computer is muted by pressing the correct function key. If I still get no speech, then I press Windows + D that puts you on the desktop. Then, I press Alt+F4 to bring up the power menu. I arrow to the last choice, which is restart. I press enter and wait just a minute. If still no action, then I hold down the power button for a few seconds, which is a very last resort. Then, I just tap the power button to turn the computer back on.
In two years, I have only had to do all of that twice.
Usually, one screen reader will freeze up, and you can turn on Narrator. When you do that, the other screen reader will start working. Narrator is such a big help, because it will start with CTRL+Windows+Enter when other screen readers like NVDA or JAWS will not start for some reason.
You just have to go by your screen reader if it responds or not, most of the time, to see if it is running or not. I love the SSD drive. I get so impatient when I go back to my laptop using a regular Hard drive, because it is so slow compared to having the SSD drive!
Take care, guys!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

No. You do'thear it but if you detect anythig odd you just now it might be the drive. You can also do a scan o the disk as well. My ssd has ben going for 3 years on my mac and it's still pretty good. A bit slower but still pretty good.

On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:59 PM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:

How do you know when a pc with and ssd drive is running? If you can't see it, is there still something you can hear? Both our pcs still have regular drives so we're curious.
Original message:

Once you go SSD you don't want to ever go back. You can if needed but
you really don't want to techy or no techy. I might hate the size of
the SSD on my Mac book pro but I love   that it has one. My windows
10 custom built Machine flies because of this SSD and the fact it does
have a pretty nice processor.
On 12/4/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

well, lets say you opened 5000 documents a year. With a time save of 3
seconds, you save about 15000 seconds a year, which is alot. And believe
me, it is much more than that. I have probably saved hours of my life
with my ssd. Some of these things, like an ssd can only be experienced,
not described. The benchmarks only hint at the performance improvement.
So my suggestion gene, is for you to someday try using a system with an
ssd for just 5 minutes, and I garantee you you will never want to go
back to a normal harddrive.

On 12/4/2017 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

I should have said, let's say it takes one second using an SSD drive.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:23 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
Let's say it takes four seconds to open Microsoft Word using a
mechanical drive.  let's say it takes one second using a mechanical
drive.  How have I saved any amount of time that means anything?  If I
open word and load a document and I spend four seconds to open the
program and four seconds in actual loading time after I find the
document and press enter in the open dialog, then I spend twenty
minutes working with the document or even ten minutes, how is eight
seconds a meaningful amount of time?  I can leave one or two programs
opened, if I wish, if I use them a lot.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Lenron <mailto:lenron93@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
Agreed even when doing simple things an ssd is faster. This is just
facts.
On 12/3/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...
<mailto:enes.saribas@...>> wrote:

hi,
I respectfully disagree. The speed difference from an ssd is so massive
that, even with very simplistic daily tasks, getting an ssd can be a
massive time saver. I agree that anyone who can aford it should get

an ssd.

On 12/3/2017 5:48 PM, Gene wrote:

At some point, perhaps as early as Windows 7, Windows won't even let
you defragment SSD drives, as I recall.
On another subject related to SSD drives, I consider sweeping
statements such as, these days, everyone should have SSD drives to be
far too prescriptive and overgeneral.  If you do things where speed
matters, copying lots of large files, converting lots of large files,
doing a lot of recording of long works and exporting the recording to
a compressed format such as MP3, and other uses I haven't though of
while at the moment, then it would make sense.  but if you mainly do
things like word processing, web browsing, and other typical uses, I
don't consider it important.  there are some people who just want
everything to be very fast, they don't want programs to take one or
two seconds to open, they want a program to open almost instantly.  If
they want to spend the money for emotional satisfaction and
indulgence, fine, but not everyone wants or needs hotrods, whetgher in
computers, cars, or anywhere else.
There may be another time when having an SSD drive might be important,
others may wish to comment.  If you have a laptop, and are going to
use it under conditions where it will be jostled and jolted somewhat
severely or severely while in use, such as driving over rather rough
or very rough roads, then I would think an SSD would be a good idea
or  important.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:42 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
I would be very interested if you could post some links to the
information
about SSDs becoming unwriteable.
Regarding defragmenting an SSD - there is absolutely no point.
The whole purpose of defragmenting a traditional spinning hard disk
was to get
all the parts of a single file together, instead of being spread
(fragmented)
across the drive, which happens when small files are deleted and then
larger
ones are written into the gaps afterwards.  Having the entire file
together in
one place is much more efficient for reading it later than having it
spread
around the disk (because it takes time for the mechanical heads to go
and find
all the different parts).
With an SSD, accessing one part is just as efficient as any other -
nothing
needs to move to get to the next part, so fragmented files are no less
efficient
to read than complete ones.

Antony.
On Sunday 03 December 2017 at 11:35:19, The Gamages wrote:

Hello,
Regarding SSDs, as I understand it, there is a slight issue with

these in

that some memory can become un writable, it can still be read, but

nothing

further can be writtten into it.
I realise that this can take a long time to happen and, if the drive

is a

large capacity, it may never be an issue.
I am only raising this point because I don’t fully understand the
consequences of this.
I was told by a computer engineer that it is not a good idea to de

fragment

a solid state drive for this reason, it can make some memory un

writable if

it is done regularly and is not really necessary  on this sort of
drive.
Comments please, even if you shoot me down in flames,[smile]..
Best Regards, Jim.
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than
before
Keep in mind AMD has just released their ryzen mobile processors, so

that

should be interesting. Similar to Intel, it will be Ryzen 3 =

intel i3,

ryzen 5 = intel i5, ryzen 7 = intel i7.
In these modern days, hard drives truly limit the speed of a

computer. If

you can afford it, even if it takes a little longer to save up,

go for

something with a solid state drive. You’ll never go back again.

Even a

cheap windows tablet with a 64 gb ssd is going to beat the socks

off of

that huge i5 with a 1 tb spinning hard drives in booting up, general
snappyness around windows. Web browsing not so much but even so the

solid

state drive is what makes or breaks a computer and is why you can
get
by
with a core i3 or equal from AMD.
Sean has a good point about soundcards these days, too. And even
with
headphones on it can still be painful with speech – so try and play
with
them in the store using narrator.

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the job was already taken."
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Hi!
With my SSD computer with no fan, If I have no speech, and I think it should be running, I do the following.
I press CTRL+Windows+enter to see if Narrator comes on.
If it does not, than I check to see if my computer is muted by pressing the correct function key. If I still get no speech, then I press Windows + D that puts you on the desktop. Then, I press Alt+F4 to bring up the power menu. I arrow to the last choice, which is restart. I press enter and wait just a minute. If still no action, then I hold down the power button for a few seconds, which is a very last resort. Then, I just tap the power button to turn the computer back on.
In two years, I have only had to do all of that twice.
Usually, one screen reader will freeze up, and you can turn on Narrator. When you do that, the other screen reader will start working. Narrator is such a big help, because it will start with CTRL+Windows+Enter when other screen readers like NVDA or JAWS will not start for some reason.
You just have to go by your screen reader if it responds or not, most of the time, to see if it is running or not. I love the SSD drive. I get so impatient when I go back to my laptop using a regular Hard drive, because it is so slow compared to having the SSD drive!
Take care, guys!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

No. You do'thear it but if you detect anythig odd you just now it might be the drive. You can also do a scan o the disk as well. My ssd has ben going for 3 years on my mac and it's still pretty good. A bit slower but still pretty good.

On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:59 PM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:

How do you know when a pc with and ssd drive is running? If you can't see it, is there still something you can hear? Both our pcs still have regular drives so we're curious.
Original message:

Once you go SSD you don't want to ever go back. You can if needed but
you really don't want to techy or no techy. I might hate the size of
the SSD on my Mac book pro but I love that it has one. My windows
10 custom built Machine flies because of this SSD and the fact it does
have a pretty nice processor.
On 12/4/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

well, lets say you opened 5000 documents a year. With a time save of 3
seconds, you save about 15000 seconds a year, which is alot. And believe
me, it is much more than that. I have probably saved hours of my life
with my ssd. Some of these things, like an ssd can only be experienced,
not described. The benchmarks only hint at the performance improvement.
So my suggestion gene, is for you to someday try using a system with an
ssd for just 5 minutes, and I garantee you you will never want to go
back to a normal harddrive.

On 12/4/2017 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

I should have said, let's say it takes one second using an SSD drive.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:23 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
Let's say it takes four seconds to open Microsoft Word using a
mechanical drive. let's say it takes one second using a mechanical
drive. How have I saved any amount of time that means anything? If I
open word and load a document and I spend four seconds to open the
program and four seconds in actual loading time after I find the
document and press enter in the open dialog, then I spend twenty
minutes working with the document or even ten minutes, how is eight
seconds a meaningful amount of time? I can leave one or two programs
opened, if I wish, if I use them a lot.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Lenron <mailto:lenron93@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
Agreed even when doing simple things an ssd is faster. This is just
facts.
On 12/3/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com
<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>> wrote:

hi,
I respectfully disagree. The speed difference from an ssd is so massive
that, even with very simplistic daily tasks, getting an ssd can be a
massive time saver. I agree that anyone who can aford it should get

an ssd.

On 12/3/2017 5:48 PM, Gene wrote:

At some point, perhaps as early as Windows 7, Windows won't even let
you defragment SSD drives, as I recall.
On another subject related to SSD drives, I consider sweeping
statements such as, these days, everyone should have SSD drives to be
far too prescriptive and overgeneral. If you do things where speed
matters, copying lots of large files, converting lots of large files,
doing a lot of recording of long works and exporting the recording to
a compressed format such as MP3, and other uses I haven't though of
while at the moment, then it would make sense. but if you mainly do
things like word processing, web browsing, and other typical uses, I
don't consider it important. there are some people who just want
everything to be very fast, they don't want programs to take one or
two seconds to open, they want a program to open almost instantly. If
they want to spend the money for emotional satisfaction and
indulgence, fine, but not everyone wants or needs hotrods, whetgher in
computers, cars, or anywhere else.
There may be another time when having an SSD drive might be important,
others may wish to comment. If you have a laptop, and are going to
use it under conditions where it will be jostled and jolted somewhat
severely or severely while in use, such as driving over rather rough
or very rough roads, then I would think an SSD would be a good idea
or important.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:42 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
I would be very interested if you could post some links to the
information
about SSDs becoming unwriteable.
Regarding defragmenting an SSD - there is absolutely no point.
The whole purpose of defragmenting a traditional spinning hard disk
was to get
all the parts of a single file together, instead of being spread
(fragmented)
across the drive, which happens when small files are deleted and then
larger
ones are written into the gaps afterwards. Having the entire file
together in
one place is much more efficient for reading it later than having it
spread
around the disk (because it takes time for the mechanical heads to go
and find
all the different parts).
With an SSD, accessing one part is just as efficient as any other -
nothing
needs to move to get to the next part, so fragmented files are no less
efficient
to read than complete ones.

Antony.
On Sunday 03 December 2017 at 11:35:19, The Gamages wrote:

Hello,
Regarding SSDs, as I understand it, there is a slight issue with

these in

that some memory can become un writable, it can still be read, but

nothing

further can be writtten into it.
I realise that this can take a long time to happen and, if the drive

is a

large capacity, it may never be an issue.
I am only raising this point because I don’t fully understand the
consequences of this.
I was told by a computer engineer that it is not a good idea to de

fragment

a solid state drive for this reason, it can make some memory un

writable if

it is done regularly and is not really necessary on this sort of
drive.
Comments please, even if you shoot me down in flames,[smile]..
Best Regards, Jim.
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than
before
Keep in mind AMD has just released their ryzen mobile processors, so

that

should be interesting. Similar to Intel, it will be Ryzen 3 =

intel i3,

ryzen 5 = intel i5, ryzen 7 = intel i7.
In these modern days, hard drives truly limit the speed of a

computer. If

you can afford it, even if it takes a little longer to save up,

go for

something with a solid state drive. You’ll never go back again.

Even a

cheap windows tablet with a 64 gb ssd is going to beat the socks

off of

that huge i5 with a 1 tb spinning hard drives in booting up, general
snappyness around windows. Web browsing not so much but even so the

solid

state drive is what makes or breaks a computer and is why you can
get
by
with a core i3 or equal from AMD.
Sean has a good point about soundcards these days, too. And even
with
headphones on it can still be painful with speech – so try and play
with
them in the store using narrator.

--
"In fact I wanted to be John Cleese and it took me some time to
realise that
the job was already taken."
- Douglas Adams
Please reply to the
list;
please
*don't* CC me.

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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

Okay, opened my portable copy of 2017.3 and copied the replacements from
there. Things are mostly back on track, although the Japanese word the
ProTalker synth pronounces wrong in the hiragana couldn't be copy/pasted
into Jarte. It just came up as a line of question marks. But that's not
vitally important to me right now so I'll let that slide for the time being.


On a sort-of related note, though, Why was the pronunciation of the
phrase "for the" and the word "percent" changed in espeakNG? They sound
weird now...
On 7/12/2017 9:45 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I just updated to the latest NVDA, and I now have some issues thanks
to the changes with the voice dictionaries. I understand why since
languages in espeak have changed names, but I lost several voice
specific entries and don't remember what I did for them. I tried to fix
one instance and although the pronunciation sounded right in the
dictionary file, it didn't when I read the name in question somewhere
else, although it was apparent some change had been made. This behaviour
has never happened before, and the pronunciation of the replacement has
been consistent in all places. I'm concerned that I might never get this
name pronounced the way I want it again, and I've only tested this with
one entry!

There were made some bad misstakes about Mandarin Espeak. I don't know, why, but I think, that some work of Espeak is at the begining.
It'll be maybe good to try create another speech synthesizer, because Espeak will soon be down. This is just my view on It.


.

Thanks, Shaun.


It occurred to me after I sent the original message that many computers
have sound cards.


I've heard them used on other machines but it hasn't come up in my case
as I've been using a machine with one for several years.


Again thank you.


Lawrence Stoler



On 12/6/2017 4:06 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Most computers should have soundcards unless they are really old.

If in doubt atguys.com has a 15 dollar barebones one and you will need
some headphones for it but still.




On 7/12/2017 8:35 a.m., Lawrence Stoler wrote:

Dear NVDA Users Group,


I am one of the many blind people who are unemployed.


There is a place I might be working for on a temporary basis as the
agency here in Connecticut wants to do a work assessment on me since I
have been out of work for a long time.


I have been an Internet user for over 14 years.  I have used and enjoyed
NVDA since 2014 when I first became aware of it.


In addition to being able to download the latest version of NVDA, do I
need a sound card as it will be on a computer that has never been used
by a blind person or can I just download it from the website and go from
there?


Lawrence Stoler

?