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Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Do you mean by keyboard navigation the usual?


Like using the arrow keys tab etc etc.


You would find it quite easy to pick up.


Depending if you install nvda to your pc you will have the choice of the desktop layout or a lap top layout for your keyboard.


If you install nvda to your pc it is the alt key + ctrl key + letter N to start nvda.

To get into your preferences is the nvda key + the letter N

To quit your copy of nvda is the nvda key + the letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key or the caps lock key. You would use one of the with a key to turn off nvda. for example if the insert key is chosen you would use the insert key + letter Q to turn off nvda.


NVDA comes default with the e speak synth but you can use other free or paid synths.


The synth you are talking about is a commercial one and can come as a add on or a sapi 5 version  at a cost.


There are keys combo that are simular to jaws and plus you can change them if needed.

The following link may help you to answer some of your questions at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ

Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 3:41 PM, Kenny wrote:
Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.





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Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kenny,

Firstly, while it partly depends on which parts of Jaws and which parts of NVDA you rely on most, yes, NVDA's keystrokes are broadly similar to those used by Jaws.  By default the NVDA key is Insert, and on a laptop you may prefer to set it to caps lock.  In desktop layout, to read the current line is NVDA+up arrow (NVDA+L on laptop) and to read from the current point onwards is NVDA+down arrow (laptop layout is NVDA+A), and many other commands such as NVDA+T and so on work the same.

A community project was to write a transition guide for those like yourself moving from Jaws to NVDA, so that would be worth reading: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

To the second part of your question, the version of Eloquence you got with Jaws is licensed to Jaws only, so you won't be able to use it.  The good news is that you can purchase eloquence for NVDA.  There are two versions, a SAPI version, which will work with any program that can use SAPI voices, and a version specifically tailored for NVDA.  Different people have different opinions on which is better (and indeed, there is a discussion on this list currently on that very topic), but what I would suggest, is try the demo version of each and see which you prefer.  Links available from: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...> wrote:
Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.







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Re: Windows 10 ADVISORY: you need to use NVDA 2017.4 if you want to install it on Windows 10 on ARM

tim
 

They mostly use that chip in tablets and some low end laptops.

On Dec 6, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Joseph


What are these ram thing you are talking about? Is it like the processor that they used on the RT versions of windows but modified?


Are they the ones found on window phones etc?


Gene nz



On 12/7/2017 7:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi all,
 
Another advisory/directive, this time a notice concerning a new technology in Windows 10:
 
If you come across Windows 10 on ARM (always connected PC’s) and wish to use NVDA on it, you need to install 2017.4 or later. NVDA 2017.4 will recognize these PC’s as running Windows 10 64-bit, though performance won’t be as smooth as Windows 10 on x64 processors for now.
 
Cheers,
Joseph

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Re: Navigating Text since NVDA 2017.3

Quentin Christensen
 

Well, to those who need the answer, that you got the information out there is as important a part of the process as Tyler in tracking it down.  A team effort :)

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Damien Sykes <damien@...> wrote:
Hi,
Actually, Tyler did all the tracking down, I simply put it out here for people to understand what was going on. I still don’t quite understand the magnitude of the issue myself. I noticed the issue, Tyler told me what it was and how to change it, I changed it and verified that it worked, I “published”, if you will, the results.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigating Text since NVDA 2017.3
 
Damien,

Well tracked down :)
 
Quentin.
 
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Damien Sykes <damien@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
For anyone like me who has noticed the text lag and wonders why. The following came from Tyler Spivey, who helped me resolve this strange conundrum.
It actually appears that NVDA has always had some reason or other to have to wait a predetermined amount of time for the cursor to move in order to read whatever new information is under the cursor, or to inform of highlighted text, or if no change has occurred, to state the fact that we are at the beginning or end of the field. Until 2017.3, this was 30 milliseconds, a time so short that you would hardly notice it.
 
An entry in the change log for 2017.3 reads:
• In editable text, when moving the caret (e.g. with the cursor keys or backspace), NVDA's spoken feedback is now more accurate in many cases, particularly in Chrome and terminal applications.
 
In fact, one of the ways this seems to have been resolved was to increase the cursor wait time from 30 to 100 milliseconds, which may not seem much but is in fact a 230% increase. This means that people who are well tuned in to how NVDA read data previously, and perhaps more importantly rely on speed, will notice this change.
This is all apparently covered on GitHub, which, as far as I’m concerned isn’t really a user-friendly platform (that’s to say it’s meant for developers, and expert ones at that, which means you’re going to see a lot of technical jargon). Some may argue that this issue is a very fine line between a development technicality and usability, and since I seem to have been the only one who cared or even noticed this, I’m inclined to agree. But at least it’s out there now.
So, to summarise:
1. This is actually intended behaviour.
2. You can change it, but you have to know how and where it’s stored. It’s not in the configuration dialogs. Some may not even find it worth the effort – I only did because it ground straight through my sensitive teeth and pounded through my skull.
3. If you change it, be aware that you may not get the improved accuracy stated in the change log entry quoted above.
Cheers.
Damien.
 


 
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Re: question re nvaccess site and training materials

Quentin Christensen
 

Mary,

Yes, Outlook is something we were thinking of, just haven't got to it yet :)

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
Hi Quenton,

I am pretty sure I was tabbing. I know that's what I did in ie, and I think that's how I started out in FF, but then also tried down arrow, which didn't work. I will try tab again, however. It seems like you've surely got all the formats covered for the e-books. BTW, any plans for something specific for Outlook? Or do you feel it isn't necessary?



On 12/6/2017 4:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Hi Mary, > > How are you moving around the site? > > If you press down arrow from the top of the page, it will move to the > "home" link, and from there directly to the "donate" button (skipping > the rest of the navigation bar, which contains the shop link). If > you press TAB, K, or use the elements list dialog, the "shop" link > should be after, Home, About, Download, Get Help, Services and > Support Us. > > That behaviour (for me) is consistent across Firefox (ESR), Chrome, > Internet Explorer and Edge. > > For your other question, this eBook version of the training module > includes the following formats: .epub: An electronic book format > readable in many standalone book readers as well as book reading apps > on smartphones and computers. .html: A web page readable in any web > browser .docx: A Microsoft Word file .kfx: Used in Amazon Kindle > readers and the Kindle app for PC (version 1.19 or later required) > > (That information is on the individual page for each module, the main > shop page just has a shorter blurb for each item). > > Kind regards > > Quentin. > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@... > <mailto:maryotten@...>> wrote: > > I suppose this is mostly directed at Quenton. My experience with the > access site is that I absolutely can't get to the "shop" link using > firefox esr version, but with IE11, it is easy. Why might that be? I > mean, I can't even find it with the find command when using ff. > > > also, with regard to the ebooks for Word and the basic training > materials, what format are those in? I didn't see that mentioned on > the training materials page. > > > Thanks. > > > Mary > > > > > > > > -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager > > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now > available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ > > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/> Facebook: > http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Hi Quenton,

I think I started out in FF by tabbing. I know I also tried the find feature, and I tried arrowing. In ie, tab worked just fine. I will try tab again in FF.

It sounds like you have all the format bases covered for the training materials. Any thought of an Outlook module?

Mary




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JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.


Re: Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

 

Hi,
In short, NVDA isn't compatible with Windows 10 IoT Core nor Raspberry Pi.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav
Lal
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

Hi Joseph,
I see what you are getting at. I was confused by the reference to arm
processors in the release notes and the different versions of windows. I
have read more and see that nvda is being future ready to handle newer
devices like always connected pcs that will use arm processors.
Pranav

On 07-Dec-2017, at 6:28 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Let's try this method: can a car run without an engine? I want folks
to find out the answer on their own this time please.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pranav Lal
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

Hi all,

Given that NVDA now supports arm 64 windows, can it run on Windows IOT
running on a raspberry pi 3?

Pranav







Re: Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Joseph,
I see what you are getting at. I was confused by the reference to arm processors in the release notes and the different versions of windows. I have read more and see that nvda is being future ready to handle newer devices like always connected pcs that will use arm processors.
Pranav

On 07-Dec-2017, at 6:28 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Let's try this method: can a car run without an engine? I want folks to find
out the answer on their own this time please.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav
Lal
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

Hi all,

Given that NVDA now supports arm 64 windows, can it run on Windows IOT
running on a raspberry pi 3?

Pranav







Re: Navigating Text since NVDA 2017.3

Damien Sykes <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Actually, Tyler did all the tracking down, I simply put it out here for people to understand what was going on. I still don’t quite understand the magnitude of the issue myself. I noticed the issue, Tyler told me what it was and how to change it, I changed it and verified that it worked, I “published”, if you will, the results.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigating Text since NVDA 2017.3
 
Damien,

Well tracked down :)
 
Quentin.
 
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Damien Sykes <damien@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
For anyone like me who has noticed the text lag and wonders why. The following came from Tyler Spivey, who helped me resolve this strange conundrum.
It actually appears that NVDA has always had some reason or other to have to wait a predetermined amount of time for the cursor to move in order to read whatever new information is under the cursor, or to inform of highlighted text, or if no change has occurred, to state the fact that we are at the beginning or end of the field. Until 2017.3, this was 30 milliseconds, a time so short that you would hardly notice it.
 
An entry in the change log for 2017.3 reads:
• In editable text, when moving the caret (e.g. with the cursor keys or backspace), NVDA's spoken feedback is now more accurate in many cases, particularly in Chrome and terminal applications.
 
In fact, one of the ways this seems to have been resolved was to increase the cursor wait time from 30 to 100 milliseconds, which may not seem much but is in fact a 230% increase. This means that people who are well tuned in to how NVDA read data previously, and perhaps more importantly rely on speed, will notice this change.
This is all apparently covered on GitHub, which, as far as I’m concerned isn’t really a user-friendly platform (that’s to say it’s meant for developers, and expert ones at that, which means you’re going to see a lot of technical jargon). Some may argue that this issue is a very fine line between a development technicality and usability, and since I seem to have been the only one who cared or even noticed this, I’m inclined to agree. But at least it’s out there now.
So, to summarise:
1. This is actually intended behaviour.
2. You can change it, but you have to know how and where it’s stored. It’s not in the configuration dialogs. Some may not even find it worth the effort – I only did because it ground straight through my sensitive teeth and pounded through my skull.
3. If you change it, be aware that you may not get the improved accuracy stated in the change log entry quoted above.
Cheers.
Damien.
 


 
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Re: Power Point presentation access

ely.r@...
 

Sorry, I didn’t answer your question. I am running Office 365.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Point presentation access

 

Which version of Office are you using?  Certainly in recent versions, NVDA should work fine in presentation mode.  One big trick to look out for however, is when creating a slideshow, you can set bullet point "animations" where each bullet point (or other object on a slide) only appears as you press enter / right arrow etc.  This works visually, but NVDA reads the whole slide as soon as it loads.  The best workaround at this stage is ideally to not use animations for now (slide transitions are a separate thing - they control how each slide appears or replaces the last, and they are fine) or to use them consistently, press control as soon as each slide loads, and then as you press enter to load each bullet, press down arrow to have NVDA read you the line.

 

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:37 AM, <ely.r@...> wrote:

Thanks for this. I was in touch with the Microsoft Accessibility Team. They sent suggestions along using Narrator. However, even in the overview of that process, it was stated that Narrator would not work in presentation mode.

I will give this a try,
Rick


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Point presentation access

Hi,

if you change into the presentation Mode with F5, NVDA reads the whole slide. You then have to press Return to turn to the next slide.

HTH

2017-12-06 1:34 GMT+01:00, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>:
> Rick,
>
>
>
> I am able to read presentations including alternative text tags in
> Powerpoint with NVDA without problems. No third party program needed.
>
>
>
> Pranav
>
>


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Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

Don H
 

Any positive or negative comments concerning NVDA on a Microsoft Surface Pro along with its available keyboard?


Re: Power Point presentation access

ely.r@...
 

Knowing this, I will use your suggestions and see how it works. I have a totally blind friend who is a JAWS user and who will be teaching a course at a local community college and wants to use the previous instructors Power Point presentations. I have not had access to these, so who knows what is on the slides. I’ll see if she will send me a sample. Not sure if she would want to try NVDA, but sounds like the one way she may have that access.

Again, thanks

Rick

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Point presentation access

 

Which version of Office are you using?  Certainly in recent versions, NVDA should work fine in presentation mode.  One big trick to look out for however, is when creating a slideshow, you can set bullet point "animations" where each bullet point (or other object on a slide) only appears as you press enter / right arrow etc.  This works visually, but NVDA reads the whole slide as soon as it loads.  The best workaround at this stage is ideally to not use animations for now (slide transitions are a separate thing - they control how each slide appears or replaces the last, and they are fine) or to use them consistently, press control as soon as each slide loads, and then as you press enter to load each bullet, press down arrow to have NVDA read you the line.

 

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:37 AM, <ely.r@...> wrote:

Thanks for this. I was in touch with the Microsoft Accessibility Team. They sent suggestions along using Narrator. However, even in the overview of that process, it was stated that Narrator would not work in presentation mode.

I will give this a try,
Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Domingos de Oliveira via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Point presentation access

Hi,

if you change into the presentation Mode with F5, NVDA reads the whole slide. You then have to press Return to turn to the next slide.

HTH

2017-12-06 1:34 GMT+01:00, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>:
> Rick,
>
>
>
> I am able to read presentations including alternative text tags in
> Powerpoint with NVDA without problems. No third party program needed.
>
>
>
> Pranav
>
>


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Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

Rui Fontes
 

Yah, it is the only thing to know if it is working or not!


Rui



Às 01:24 de 07/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

Well another thing you can do is get a light probe aparently this works and can tell if something is active or not but I have never needed to use one but still I have heard it be done.




On 7/12/2017 12:17 p.m., David Moore wrote:
Hi!
With my SSD computer with no fan, If I have no speech, and I think it should be running, I do the following.
I press CTRL+Windows+enter to see if Narrator comes on.
If it does not, than I check to see if my computer is muted by pressing the correct function key. If I still get no speech, then I press Windows + D that puts you on the desktop. Then, I press Alt+F4 to bring up the power menu. I arrow to the last choice, which is restart. I press enter and wait just a minute. If still no action, then I hold down the power button for a few seconds, which is a very last resort. Then, I just tap the power button to turn the computer back on.
In two years, I have only had to do all of that twice.
Usually, one screen reader will freeze up, and you can turn on Narrator. When you do that, the other screen reader will start working. Narrator is such a big help, because it will start with CTRL+Windows+Enter when other screen readers like NVDA or JAWS will not start for some reason.
You just have to go by your screen reader if it responds or not, most of the time, to see if it is running or not. I love the SSD drive. I get so impatient when I go back to my laptop using a regular Hard drive, because it is so slow compared to having the SSD drive!
Take care, guys!
David Moore
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

No. You do'thear it but if you detect anythig odd you just now it might be the drive. You can also do a scan o the disk as well. My ssd has ben going for 3 years on my mac and it's still pretty good. A bit slower but still pretty good.

On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:59 PM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:

How do you know when a pc with and ssd drive is running? If you can't see it, is there still something you can hear? Both our pcs still have regular drives so we're curious.
Original message:
Once you go SSD you don't want to ever go back. You can if needed but
you really don't want to techy or no techy. I might hate the size of
the SSD on my Mac book pro but I love   that it has one. My windows
10 custom built Machine flies because of this SSD and the fact it does
have a pretty nice processor.
On 12/4/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
well, lets say you opened 5000 documents a year. With a time save of 3
seconds, you save about 15000 seconds a year, which is alot. And believe
me, it is much more than that. I have probably saved hours of my life
with my ssd. Some of these things, like an ssd can only be experienced,
not described. The benchmarks only hint at the performance improvement.
So my suggestion gene, is for you to someday try using a system with an
ssd for just 5 minutes, and I garantee you you will never want to go
back to a normal harddrive.

On 12/4/2017 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
I should have said, let's say it takes one second using an SSD drive.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:23 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
Let's say it takes four seconds to open Microsoft Word using a
mechanical drive.  let's say it takes one second using a mechanical
drive.  How have I saved any amount of time that means anything?  If I
open word and load a document and I spend four seconds to open the
program and four seconds in actual loading time after I find the
document and press enter in the open dialog, then I spend twenty
minutes working with the document or even ten minutes, how is eight
seconds a meaningful amount of time?  I can leave one or two programs
opened, if I wish, if I use them a lot.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Lenron <mailto:lenron93@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
Agreed even when doing simple things an ssd is faster. This is just
facts.
On 12/3/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...
<mailto:enes.saribas@...>> wrote:
hi,
I respectfully disagree. The speed difference from an ssd is so massive
that, even with very simplistic daily tasks, getting an ssd can be a
massive time saver. I agree that anyone who can aford it should get
an ssd.

On 12/3/2017 5:48 PM, Gene wrote:
At some point, perhaps as early as Windows 7, Windows won't even let
you defragment SSD drives, as I recall.
On another subject related to SSD drives, I consider sweeping
statements such as, these days, everyone should have SSD drives to be
far too prescriptive and overgeneral.  If you do things where speed
matters, copying lots of large files, converting lots of large files,
doing a lot of recording of long works and exporting the recording to
a compressed format such as MP3, and other uses I haven't though of
while at the moment, then it would make sense.  but if you mainly do
things like word processing, web browsing, and other typical uses, I
don't consider it important.  there are some people who just want
everything to be very fast, they don't want programs to take one or
two seconds to open, they want a program to open almost instantly.  If
they want to spend the money for emotional satisfaction and
indulgence, fine, but not everyone wants or needs hotrods, whetgher in
computers, cars, or anywhere else.
There may be another time when having an SSD drive might be important,
others may wish to comment.  If you have a laptop, and are going to
use it under conditions where it will be jostled and jolted somewhat
severely or severely while in use, such as driving over rather rough
or very rough roads, then I would think an SSD would be a good idea
or  important.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:42 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
I would be very interested if you could post some links to the
information
about SSDs becoming unwriteable.
Regarding defragmenting an SSD - there is absolutely no point.
The whole purpose of defragmenting a traditional spinning hard disk
was to get
all the parts of a single file together, instead of being spread
(fragmented)
across the drive, which happens when small files are deleted and then
larger
ones are written into the gaps afterwards.  Having the entire file
together in
one place is much more efficient for reading it later than having it
spread
around the disk (because it takes time for the mechanical heads to go
and find
all the different parts).
With an SSD, accessing one part is just as efficient as any other -
nothing
needs to move to get to the next part, so fragmented files are no less
efficient
to read than complete ones.

Antony.
On Sunday 03 December 2017 at 11:35:19, The Gamages wrote:
Hello,
Regarding SSDs, as I understand it, there is a slight issue with
these in
that some memory can become un writable, it can still be read, but
nothing
further can be writtten into it.
I realise that this can take a long time to happen and, if the drive
is a
large capacity, it may never be an issue.
I am only raising this point because I don’t fully understand the
consequences of this.
I was told by a computer engineer that it is not a good idea to de
fragment
a solid state drive for this reason, it can make some memory un
writable if
it is done regularly and is not really necessary  on this sort of
drive.
Comments please, even if you shoot me down in flames,[smile]..
Best Regards, Jim.
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than
before
Keep in mind AMD has just released their ryzen mobile processors, so
that
should be interesting. Similar to Intel, it will be Ryzen 3 =
intel i3,
ryzen 5 = intel i5, ryzen 7 = intel i7.
In these modern days, hard drives truly limit the speed of a
computer. If
you can afford it, even if it takes a little longer to save up,
go for
something with a solid state drive. You’ll never go back again.
Even a
cheap windows tablet with a 64 gb ssd is going to beat the socks
off of
that huge i5 with a 1 tb spinning hard drives in booting up, general
snappyness around windows. Web browsing not so much but even so the
solid
state drive is what makes or breaks a computer and is why you can
get
by
with a core i3 or equal from AMD.
Sean has a good point about soundcards these days, too. And even
with
headphones on it can still be painful with speech – so try and play
with
them in the store using narrator.
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the job was already taken."
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Re: Navigating Text since NVDA 2017.3

Quentin Christensen
 

Damien,

Well tracked down :)

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Damien Sykes <damien@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
For anyone like me who has noticed the text lag and wonders why. The following came from Tyler Spivey, who helped me resolve this strange conundrum.
It actually appears that NVDA has always had some reason or other to have to wait a predetermined amount of time for the cursor to move in order to read whatever new information is under the cursor, or to inform of highlighted text, or if no change has occurred, to state the fact that we are at the beginning or end of the field. Until 2017.3, this was 30 milliseconds, a time so short that you would hardly notice it.
 
An entry in the change log for 2017.3 reads:
• In editable text, when moving the caret (e.g. with the cursor keys or backspace), NVDA's spoken feedback is now more accurate in many cases, particularly in Chrome and terminal applications.
 
In fact, one of the ways this seems to have been resolved was to increase the cursor wait time from 30 to 100 milliseconds, which may not seem much but is in fact a 230% increase. This means that people who are well tuned in to how NVDA read data previously, and perhaps more importantly rely on speed, will notice this change.
This is all apparently covered on GitHub, which, as far as I’m concerned isn’t really a user-friendly platform (that’s to say it’s meant for developers, and expert ones at that, which means you’re going to see a lot of technical jargon). Some may argue that this issue is a very fine line between a development technicality and usability, and since I seem to have been the only one who cared or even noticed this, I’m inclined to agree. But at least it’s out there now.
So, to summarise:
1. This is actually intended behaviour.
2. You can change it, but you have to know how and where it’s stored. It’s not in the configuration dialogs. Some may not even find it worth the effort – I only did because it ground straight through my sensitive teeth and pounded through my skull.
3. If you change it, be aware that you may not get the improved accuracy stated in the change log entry quoted above.
Cheers.
Damien.
 




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Re: NVDA 2017.4 released

Quentin Christensen
 

Damien,

Sorry, I see your other message outlining your issue ("Navigating text since NVDA 2017.3").

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Damien,

Can you give me a quick refresher please on your text field issue?  (steps to reproduce etc) and I'll look into it.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Damien Sykes <damien@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Unfortunately, I’m still seeing the text field related lags I mentioned after the release of 2017.3 (namely announcements of text highlighting, beginning/end of document/field messages etc). Luckily for me there was nothing seriously important for me to need to upgrade (both 2017.3 and 2017.4 seem to be concentrating on Braille and Windows 10, both of which are irrelevant for me at present), but I felt it important to mention it again in case others are still having these issues.
I would post it as an issue on GitHub, except that as far as I’m concerned, that site seems to have made its way down from heaven on Mars. Forget the programming elements and integrations with Git (which is an aeroplane cockpit in and of itself), even posting issues seems to be a full day’s work for me.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 4:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4 released
 

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2017.4 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, has now been released.

 

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nv-access-announces-availability-of-nvda-2017-4/

 

Highlights of this release include many fixes and enhancements to web support including browse mode for web dialogs by default, better reporting of field group labels in browse mode, support for new Windows 10 technologies such as Windows Defender Application Guard and Windows 10 on ARM64, and automatic reporting of screen orientation and battery status. Please note that this version of NVDA no longer supports Windows XP or Windows Vista. The minimum requirement for NVDA is now windows 7 with Service Pack 1.

 

This award-winning software has been changing the lives of thousands of blind and vision impaired people who can now independently use computers to produce written content, read news, socialise, shop and bank online, and, most importantly, actively participate in education and employment. Please consider helping NV Access to continue this important work by becoming a monthly donor.  Download or update today:

 

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nv-access-announces-availability-of-nvda-2017-4/

 

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess




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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

 

Well another thing you can do is get a light probe aparently this works and can tell if something is active or not but I have never needed to use one but still I have heard it be done.

On 7/12/2017 12:17 p.m., David Moore wrote:
Hi!
With my SSD computer with no fan, If I have no speech, and I think it should be running, I do the following.
I press CTRL+Windows+enter to see if Narrator comes on.
If it does not, than I check to see if my computer is muted by pressing the correct function key. If I still get no speech, then I press Windows + D that puts you on the desktop. Then, I press Alt+F4 to bring up the power menu. I arrow to the last choice, which is restart. I press enter and wait just a minute. If still no action, then I hold down the power button for a few seconds, which is a very last resort. Then, I just tap the power button to turn the computer back on.
In two years, I have only had to do all of that twice.
Usually, one screen reader will freeze up, and you can turn on Narrator. When you do that, the other screen reader will start working. Narrator is such a big help, because it will start with CTRL+Windows+Enter when other screen readers like NVDA or JAWS will not start for some reason.
You just have to go by your screen reader if it responds or not, most of the time, to see if it is running or not. I love the SSD drive. I get so impatient when I go back to my laptop using a regular Hard drive, because it is so slow compared to having the SSD drive!
Take care, guys!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

No. You do'thear it but if you detect anythig odd you just now it might be the drive. You can also do a scan o the disk as well. My ssd has ben going for 3 years on my mac and it's still pretty good. A bit slower but still pretty good.

On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:59 PM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:

How do you know when a pc with and ssd drive is running? If you can't see it, is there still something you can hear? Both our pcs still have regular drives so we're curious.
Original message:
Once you go SSD you don't want to ever go back. You can if needed but
you really don't want to techy or no techy. I might hate the size of
the SSD on my Mac book pro but I love that it has one. My windows
10 custom built Machine flies because of this SSD and the fact it does
have a pretty nice processor.
On 12/4/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:
well, lets say you opened 5000 documents a year. With a time save of 3
seconds, you save about 15000 seconds a year, which is alot. And believe
me, it is much more than that. I have probably saved hours of my life
with my ssd. Some of these things, like an ssd can only be experienced,
not described. The benchmarks only hint at the performance improvement.
So my suggestion gene, is for you to someday try using a system with an
ssd for just 5 minutes, and I garantee you you will never want to go
back to a normal harddrive.
On 12/4/2017 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
I should have said, let's say it takes one second using an SSD drive.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:23 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
Let's say it takes four seconds to open Microsoft Word using a
mechanical drive. let's say it takes one second using a mechanical
drive. How have I saved any amount of time that means anything? If I
open word and load a document and I spend four seconds to open the
program and four seconds in actual loading time after I find the
document and press enter in the open dialog, then I spend twenty
minutes working with the document or even ten minutes, how is eight
seconds a meaningful amount of time? I can leave one or two programs
opened, if I wish, if I use them a lot.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Lenron <mailto:lenron93@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
Agreed even when doing simple things an ssd is faster. This is just
facts.
On 12/3/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com
<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>> wrote:
hi,
I respectfully disagree. The speed difference from an ssd is so massive
that, even with very simplistic daily tasks, getting an ssd can be a
massive time saver. I agree that anyone who can aford it should get
an ssd.
On 12/3/2017 5:48 PM, Gene wrote:
At some point, perhaps as early as Windows 7, Windows won't even let
you defragment SSD drives, as I recall.
On another subject related to SSD drives, I consider sweeping
statements such as, these days, everyone should have SSD drives to be
far too prescriptive and overgeneral. If you do things where speed
matters, copying lots of large files, converting lots of large files,
doing a lot of recording of long works and exporting the recording to
a compressed format such as MP3, and other uses I haven't though of
while at the moment, then it would make sense. but if you mainly do
things like word processing, web browsing, and other typical uses, I
don't consider it important. there are some people who just want
everything to be very fast, they don't want programs to take one or
two seconds to open, they want a program to open almost instantly. If
they want to spend the money for emotional satisfaction and
indulgence, fine, but not everyone wants or needs hotrods, whetgher in
computers, cars, or anywhere else.
There may be another time when having an SSD drive might be important,
others may wish to comment. If you have a laptop, and are going to
use it under conditions where it will be jostled and jolted somewhat
severely or severely while in use, such as driving over rather rough
or very rough roads, then I would think an SSD would be a good idea
or important.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:42 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before
I would be very interested if you could post some links to the
information
about SSDs becoming unwriteable.
Regarding defragmenting an SSD - there is absolutely no point.
The whole purpose of defragmenting a traditional spinning hard disk
was to get
all the parts of a single file together, instead of being spread
(fragmented)
across the drive, which happens when small files are deleted and then
larger
ones are written into the gaps afterwards. Having the entire file
together in
one place is much more efficient for reading it later than having it
spread
around the disk (because it takes time for the mechanical heads to go
and find
all the different parts).
With an SSD, accessing one part is just as efficient as any other -
nothing
needs to move to get to the next part, so fragmented files are no less
efficient
to read than complete ones.
Antony.
On Sunday 03 December 2017 at 11:35:19, The Gamages wrote:
Hello,
Regarding SSDs, as I understand it, there is a slight issue with
these in
that some memory can become un writable, it can still be read, but
nothing
further can be writtten into it.
I realise that this can take a long time to happen and, if the drive
is a
large capacity, it may never be an issue.
I am only raising this point because I don’t fully understand the
consequences of this.
I was told by a computer engineer that it is not a good idea to de
fragment
a solid state drive for this reason, it can make some memory un
writable if
it is done regularly and is not really necessary on this sort of
drive.
Comments please, even if you shoot me down in flames,[smile]..
Best Regards, Jim.
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than
before
Keep in mind AMD has just released their ryzen mobile processors, so
that
should be interesting. Similar to Intel, it will be Ryzen 3 =
intel i3,
ryzen 5 = intel i5, ryzen 7 = intel i7.
In these modern days, hard drives truly limit the speed of a
computer. If
you can afford it, even if it takes a little longer to save up,
go for
something with a solid state drive. You’ll never go back again.
Even a
cheap windows tablet with a 64 gb ssd is going to beat the socks
off of
that huge i5 with a 1 tb spinning hard drives in booting up, general
snappyness around windows. Web browsing not so much but even so the
solid
state drive is what makes or breaks a computer and is why you can
get
by
with a core i3 or equal from AMD.
Sean has a good point about soundcards these days, too. And even
with
headphones on it can still be painful with speech – so try and play
with
them in the store using narrator.
--
"In fact I wanted to be John Cleese and it took me some time to
realise that
the job was already taken."
- Douglas Adams
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Re: NVDA 2017.4 released

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Damien,

Can you give me a quick refresher please on your text field issue?  (steps to reproduce etc) and I'll look into it.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Damien Sykes <damien@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Unfortunately, I’m still seeing the text field related lags I mentioned after the release of 2017.3 (namely announcements of text highlighting, beginning/end of document/field messages etc). Luckily for me there was nothing seriously important for me to need to upgrade (both 2017.3 and 2017.4 seem to be concentrating on Braille and Windows 10, both of which are irrelevant for me at present), but I felt it important to mention it again in case others are still having these issues.
I would post it as an issue on GitHub, except that as far as I’m concerned, that site seems to have made its way down from heaven on Mars. Forget the programming elements and integrations with Git (which is an aeroplane cockpit in and of itself), even posting issues seems to be a full day’s work for me.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 4:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4 released
 

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2017.4 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, has now been released.

 

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nv-access-announces-availability-of-nvda-2017-4/

 

Highlights of this release include many fixes and enhancements to web support including browse mode for web dialogs by default, better reporting of field group labels in browse mode, support for new Windows 10 technologies such as Windows Defender Application Guard and Windows 10 on ARM64, and automatic reporting of screen orientation and battery status. Please note that this version of NVDA no longer supports Windows XP or Windows Vista. The minimum requirement for NVDA is now windows 7 with Service Pack 1.

 

This award-winning software has been changing the lives of thousands of blind and vision impaired people who can now independently use computers to produce written content, read news, socialise, shop and bank online, and, most importantly, actively participate in education and employment. Please consider helping NV Access to continue this important work by becoming a monthly donor.  Download or update today:

 

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nv-access-announces-availability-of-nvda-2017-4/

 

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: Versioned Voice Dictionaries

 

I know the word for for, is now fur and not 4.

I know the word forbid is not 4 bid but furbid once is unce.

button is now buttung.

I think we should use older but faithfull espeak which doesn't have this issue or simply make something that doesn't rely on it.

Whoever develops this is clearly no longer english and is probably using google translate for everything.

On 7/12/2017 12:06 p.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Okay, opened my portable copy of 2017.3 and copied the replacements from
there. Things are mostly back on track, although the Japanese word the
ProTalker synth pronounces wrong in the hiragana couldn't be copy/pasted
into Jarte. It just came up as a line of question marks. But that's not
vitally important to me right now so I'll let that slide for the time being.


On a sort-of related note, though, Why was the pronunciation of the
phrase "for the" and the word "percent" changed in espeakNG? They sound
weird now...
On 7/12/2017 9:45 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
So I just updated to the latest NVDA, and I now have some issues thanks
to the changes with the voice dictionaries. I understand why since
languages in espeak have changed names, but I lost several voice
specific entries and don't remember what I did for them. I tried to fix
one instance and although the pronunciation sounded right in the
dictionary file, it didn't when I read the name in question somewhere
else, although it was apparent some change had been made. This behaviour
has never happened before, and the pronunciation of the replacement has
been consistent in all places. I'm concerned that I might never get this
name pronounced the way I want it again, and I've only tested this with
one entry!




Re: Be careful to Mandarin Espeak

 

Its unlikely espeak itself will actually die as a synth.

Its in android, and linux distros all over the technoverse, its unlikely that espeak itself will die.

However now we have said burger off to xp, and vista, we are also saying screw basically every single core system to.

And with this being done, I question the need for inbuilt synths.

After win7 finally dies, with the good voices out there I question the need especially with the stuff on win10 and faster system of us needing a good synth bar one that is a fallback if something internal fails.

Standard crappy espeak is fine for admin work, it may be crappy but its good if something totally falls over.

There are others, pico which is on android and linux, maybe that could be a default synth I don't know.

But you are right, nvaccess should actually work on its own synth, not based of espeak but its own synth for its own software.

Heck if they want to sell it for sapi at 20 or 30 bucks and maybe other oses I'll buy it but to be honest I do wander.

Espeak will! not! die though, not death as you know it but the devs are clearly not on here.

On 7/12/2017 10:48 a.m., Marco Oros wrote:
There were made some bad misstakes about Mandarin Espeak. I don't know, why, but I think, that some work of Espeak is at the begining.
It'll be maybe good to try create another speech synthesizer, because Espeak will soon be down. This is just my view on It.


.


Re: A Question about Obtaining NVDA:

 

Well any system from 2000 or 2001 up will have a card.

Any system from 1998-7 will have a card but as sepperate card maybe working on drivers maybe not.

I think as long as a system came in 2000 or as low as 99 then you should have cards of some sorts.

If earlier 1997 and higher should still have some sound maybe not multichannel but still sound.

Now any business system 1996 and lower probably doesn't even some machines to 1999 didn't have sound cards.

Or not have them on.

Any system from 1995-3 may or may not have a card at all but then they may it is hard to tell.

Anything lower than that doesn't.

But I wouldn't worry, however it depends on the button, if you can look at it, if its got a crt, and if you push in the button to turn it off and on and it clicks in and out, or there are internal speakers or there are more buttons on the front then maybe.

While gaming and home pcs had sound, way before business units after 2001 or 2002, all systems have on board cards.

Unless your system runs win xp or 2000 though or is quite old well.

Then again I  am sure there are systems without any soundcards at all.

On 7/12/2017 10:18 a.m., Lawrence Stoler wrote:
Thanks, Shaun.


It occurred to me after I sent the original message that many computers
have sound cards.


I've heard them used on other machines but it hasn't come up in my case
as I've been using a machine with one for several years.


Again thank you.


Lawrence Stoler



On 12/6/2017 4:06 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Most computers should have soundcards unless they are really old.

If in doubt atguys.com has a 15 dollar barebones one and you will need
some headphones for it but still.




On 7/12/2017 8:35 a.m., Lawrence Stoler wrote:
Dear NVDA Users Group,


I am one of the many blind people who are unemployed.


There is a place I might be working for on a temporary basis as the
agency here in Connecticut wants to do a work assessment on me since I
have been out of work for a long time.


I have been an Internet user for over 14 years.  I have used and enjoyed
NVDA since 2014 when I first became aware of it.


In addition to being able to download the latest version of NVDA, do I
need a sound card as it will be on a computer that has never been used
by a blind person or can I just download it from the website and go from
there?


Lawrence Stoler

?