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Re: updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the update to finish

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Michael

Normally, the version of snapshot often times to be tested for quality if you curious how it works, but again it's up to you to test. Some here were eager to be tester to themselves to help our developers to improves the function wise. Otherwise, go with stable rather. Again, it is advisable to use snapshot to testing machine or have it save to flash drive.

Robert Mendoza

On 12/7/2017 2:44 PM, Michael Capelle wrote:
just curious, why would you want to run a snap shot?
i typically tell people to run the stable versions.

-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 12:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the update to finish

Ok, I retarted my computer using the command prompt and all worked. I have no clue what happened, or why but I hoep what ever happened does not happen again. Any clue as to what went on? The update worked this time.

Take care

On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:55 PM, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I have a very broken nvda update. I followed the directions. The update downloaded, however  I still hear the beeps saying it's updating etc et etc. I tried to close out but no joy. Narrator is not telling me much either. Running nvda latest snap on windows 10 pro..

Take care all.





Re: Windows 10 ADVISORY: you need to use NVDA 2017.4 if you want to install it on Windows 10 on ARM

 

Hi,
It'll depend on what apps you're using, if a restart fixed the problem and what not.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 10:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 ADVISORY: you need to use NVDA 2017.4 if you want to install it on Windows 10 on ARM

Morning Joseph

This is Marisane from SA.

I posted a concern previously but without any assistance from colleagues.

I hear you that one must move to nvda 2017.4 for effectiveness and efficiency.

I use nvda 2017.3 and it gives me problems.

It freezes easily, goes unresponsive when I run multiple application and when am on internet.

What is the problem with that?

Out of curiosity, what is win10 fall creators?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Kind regards
Marisane

On 12/7/17, tim <z2004a1@gmail.com> wrote:
They mostly use that chip in tablets and some low end laptops.
On Dec 6, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Joseph



What are these ram thing you are talking about? Is it like the
processor that they used on the RT versions of windows but modified?



Are they the ones found on window phones etc?



Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 7:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi all,

Another advisory/directive, this time a notice concerning a new
technology in Windows 10:

If you come across Windows 10 on ARM (always connected PC’s) and
wish to use NVDA on it, you need to install 2017.4 or later. NVDA
2017.4 will recognize these PC’s as running Windows 10 64-bit,
though performance won’t be as smooth as Windows 10 on x64 processors for now.

Cheers,
Joseph
--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
<http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>; Regardless of where you are in
New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy
of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
<http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries>;
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/
<https://certification.nvaccess.org/>;. The certification page
contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around
the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the update to finish

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

just curious, why would you want to run a snap shot?
i typically tell people to run the stable versions.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 12:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the update to finish

Ok, I retarted my computer using the command prompt and all worked. I have no clue what happened, or why but I hoep what ever happened does not happen again. Any clue as to what went on? The update worked this time.

Take care

On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:55 PM, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I have a very broken nvda update. I followed the directions. The update downloaded, however I still hear the beeps saying it's updating etc et etc. I tried to close out but no joy. Narrator is not telling me much either. Running nvda latest snap on windows 10 pro..

Take care all.


Re: updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the update to finish

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ok, I retarted my computer using the command prompt and all worked. I have no clue what happened, or why but I hoep what ever happened does not happen again. Any clue as to what went on? The update worked this time.

Take care

On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:55 PM, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I have a very broken nvda update. I followed the directions. The update downloaded, however I still hear the beeps saying it's updating etc et etc. I tried to close out but no joy. Narrator is not telling me much either. Running nvda latest snap on windows 10 pro..

Take care all.


Re: Windows 10 ADVISORY: you need to use NVDA 2017.4 if you want to install it on Windows 10 on ARM

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Morning Joseph

This is Marisane from SA.

I posted a concern previously but without any assistance from colleagues.

I hear you that one must move to nvda 2017.4 for effectiveness and efficiency.

I use nvda 2017.3 and it gives me problems.

It freezes easily, goes unresponsive when I run multiple application
and when am on internet.

What is the problem with that?

Out of curiosity, what is win10 fall creators?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Kind regards
Marisane

On 12/7/17, tim <z2004a1@gmail.com> wrote:
They mostly use that chip in tablets and some low end laptops.
On Dec 6, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Joseph



What are these ram thing you are talking about? Is it like the processor
that they used on the RT versions of windows but modified?



Are they the ones found on window phones etc?



Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 7:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi all,

Another advisory/directive, this time a notice concerning a new
technology in Windows 10:

If you come across Windows 10 on ARM (always connected PC’s) and wish to
use NVDA on it, you need to install 2017.4 or later. NVDA 2017.4 will
recognize these PC’s as running Windows 10 64-bit, though performance
won’t be as smooth as Windows 10 on x64 processors for now.

Cheers,
Joseph
--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
<http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>; Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations
(or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
<http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries>;
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/
<https://certification.nvaccess.org/>;. The certification page contains the
official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the update to finish

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think I have a very broken nvda update. I followed the directions. The update downloaded, however I still hear the beeps saying it's updating etc et etc. I tried to close out but no joy. Narrator is not telling me much either. Running nvda latest snap on windows 10 pro..

Take care all.


NVDA 2017.4 and the version of espeak-ng packaged with it

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I updated NVDA this morning and have been periodically jarred out of my
reading by things being pronounced differently, and in my opinion,
unnecessarily so. For example, the phrases "for the" and "for a" are
pronounced with unnecessary emphasis on the first word in them, the "i"
in possible is annunciated more clearly than I feel it should be, the
word "fantasy" has more emphasis on the first syllable than it needs and
sounds slower as a result, words like "latest" sound like they end with
"ist" instead of "est" (I don't understand this one at all, as they were
pronounced just fine before), and words that end with n or an n sound
followed by a word beginning with a hard c or g sound as if they're
being smushed together ("in games" comes out sounding like "ing games").
Also, words like "they're" and "our" are more drawn out than they should
be. It's honestly distracting and I don't think I'll ever get used to
most of them to be perfectly frank.


Re: Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

Adriani Botez
 

Gene,

Why not creating an issue on github about that? I think your idea is very worth to think about.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 07.12.2017 um 01:39 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

I ask a question in this message and make a few comments but the second half of the message discusses what might be a related command, at least in terms of how you would program it.  Perhaps if there is enough interest on the list, the developers will work on it soon. 
 
The review cursor by default if you are using object navigation follows the system cursor.  But what I'm saying is if you only want to read the top level comments, then don't you have to move to every comment and measure the distance?  My question is how that is better than reading a few words of each comment to see if you want to continue.  But maybe you have to read enough of each comment that it is slower enough to matter. 
 
Evidently, the speak position command has more functions than in the old version of NVDA I use.  So you are correct that to hear the numbers, you have to issue the command twice.
Also, the idea of being able to jump to the next occurrence of text starting a certain point from the left of the screen might be related to another feature NVDA should have.  If you have a page with two or three columns or more and you want to only read one column, you should be able to define a start point and an end point farther to the right.  Then you could read and only have that defineed column read.  ASAP had a read column feature in JAWS.  I seldo had to use it but I would imagine it was very useful to some people,  Consider one use with NVDA:
Suppose you got a poorly formatted PDF document where pages didn't decolumnize properly.  Rather than have decolumnization occur, if you could just have the page recognized with no decolumnization and set the columns yourself, you might be able to read such documents. 
 
Genea distance from the left of the screen
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

I am an NVDA newbie, so I don't know how or why this works, but it works for me. I tried it on both Reddit and Hacker News in Google Chrome and Firefox. I don't have to press any extra buttons to route the review cursor, perhaps the review cursor just follows the system cursor in my case.


After your email I tried pressing Insert+Delete only once, and it indeed speaks the horizontal offset of current object in (I assume) pixels. After pressing it twice it speaks the horizontal offset in percentage of the screen width. So either way can be used.


I like your idea about NVDA addon that would let you jump between paragraphs with the same offset. I might try to write such a plugin myself when I have some free time.


Tony



On 12/6/2017 3:33 PM, Gene wrote:
I haven't tried this but I don't see how using the cursor location feature would help much.  You would still have to move to the beginning of each comment and check the distance.  If that would save you time in not having to read any of the comment, I don't know but having to move to the next comment and check the distance of each comment would seem to be cumbersome and perhaps not much easier than reading a bit of each comment to see if it’s a reply.  but those who try this may explain that I'm wrong and why. 
 
Perhaps what we need, if this can be done, is a feature or a plugin you can set to look for text that starts a certain distance from the left side of the screen and then be able to jump to the next text that starts at the same number of pixels from the left of the screen.  You could issue a next and a back command to move to these items.  So the idea may lead to a good solution if such a feature can be developed.
 
By the way, you don't have to issue the command twice.  It does the same thing if issued once or more times.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

I've been playing with NVDA and just discovered a simple solution: press
Insert + Numpad Delete twice (Report review cursor location) and it will
tell you the distance from the left edge of the screen. The greater the
distance - the deeper the level of the comment.


I think in theory something can be done on the client side to make the
comments more readable for screenreader users.. You can write a browser
plugin that would modify a page to include the level of the comment
explicitly for example. But this is only in theory: my knowledge of
javascript/HTML/CSS is too poor to write it myself.


Tony





On 12/6/2017 11:29 AM, Bill Dengler wrote:
> I’m interested in this as well, but suspect it requires changes on the site’s end.
>
> Bill
>
>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Many websites have tree-like structure of comments. For
>> example, reddit, hacker news, and probably a lot more websites are
>> like this. Sometimes I would like to read some comments, but for
>> example I would like to read only the top-level comments, and not the
>> deeper levels, because that would be the replies to the top-level
>> comments, and they are typically not as interesting. Is there any way
>> to achieve this with NVDA?
>>
>> So, for example, I would like to have a key combination to jump to the
>> next same level comment. Right now I can only jump to the next comment
>> of any level by searching a keyword ("up vote" or something, that
>> appears next to every comment), and then I'd have to deduce in my mind
>> what level comment is this. It is very tedious to browse comments this way.
>>
>> Another way that might help me would be to figure out the level of the
>> current comment. At least I'd be able to move down through the
>> comments without reading them and without trying to deduce its level
>> from the contents.
>>
>> I can use Firefox, Google Chrome and IE, so I'd be happy to find a solution that works in any of these browsers.
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated!
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>





Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Do you mean by keyboard navigation the usual?


Like using the arrow keys tab etc etc.


You would find it quite easy to pick up.


Depending if you install nvda to your pc you will have the choice of the desktop layout or a lap top layout for your keyboard.


If you install nvda to your pc it is the alt key + ctrl key + letter N to start nvda.

To get into your preferences is the nvda key + the letter N

To quit your copy of nvda is the nvda key + the letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key or the caps lock key. You would use one of the with a key to turn off nvda. for example if the insert key is chosen you would use the insert key + letter Q to turn off nvda.


NVDA comes default with the e speak synth but you can use other free or paid synths.


The synth you are talking about is a commercial one and can come as a add on or a sapi 5 version  at a cost.


There are keys combo that are simular to jaws and plus you can change them if needed.

The following link may help you to answer some of your questions at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ

Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 3:41 PM, Kenny wrote:
Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.





--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kenny,

Firstly, while it partly depends on which parts of Jaws and which parts of NVDA you rely on most, yes, NVDA's keystrokes are broadly similar to those used by Jaws.  By default the NVDA key is Insert, and on a laptop you may prefer to set it to caps lock.  In desktop layout, to read the current line is NVDA+up arrow (NVDA+L on laptop) and to read from the current point onwards is NVDA+down arrow (laptop layout is NVDA+A), and many other commands such as NVDA+T and so on work the same.

A community project was to write a transition guide for those like yourself moving from Jaws to NVDA, so that would be worth reading: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

To the second part of your question, the version of Eloquence you got with Jaws is licensed to Jaws only, so you won't be able to use it.  The good news is that you can purchase eloquence for NVDA.  There are two versions, a SAPI version, which will work with any program that can use SAPI voices, and a version specifically tailored for NVDA.  Different people have different opinions on which is better (and indeed, there is a discussion on this list currently on that very topic), but what I would suggest, is try the demo version of each and see which you prefer.  Links available from: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...> wrote:
Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Windows 10 ADVISORY: you need to use NVDA 2017.4 if you want to install it on Windows 10 on ARM

tim
 

They mostly use that chip in tablets and some low end laptops.

On Dec 6, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Joseph


What are these ram thing you are talking about? Is it like the processor that they used on the RT versions of windows but modified?


Are they the ones found on window phones etc?


Gene nz



On 12/7/2017 7:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi all,
 
Another advisory/directive, this time a notice concerning a new technology in Windows 10:
 
If you come across Windows 10 on ARM (always connected PC’s) and wish to use NVDA on it, you need to install 2017.4 or later. NVDA 2017.4 will recognize these PC’s as running Windows 10 64-bit, though performance won’t be as smooth as Windows 10 on x64 processors for now.
 
Cheers,
Joseph

-- 
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam. 


Re: Navigating Text since NVDA 2017.3

Quentin Christensen
 

Well, to those who need the answer, that you got the information out there is as important a part of the process as Tyler in tracking it down.  A team effort :)

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Damien Sykes <damien@...> wrote:
Hi,
Actually, Tyler did all the tracking down, I simply put it out here for people to understand what was going on. I still don’t quite understand the magnitude of the issue myself. I noticed the issue, Tyler told me what it was and how to change it, I changed it and verified that it worked, I “published”, if you will, the results.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigating Text since NVDA 2017.3
 
Damien,

Well tracked down :)
 
Quentin.
 
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Damien Sykes <damien@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
For anyone like me who has noticed the text lag and wonders why. The following came from Tyler Spivey, who helped me resolve this strange conundrum.
It actually appears that NVDA has always had some reason or other to have to wait a predetermined amount of time for the cursor to move in order to read whatever new information is under the cursor, or to inform of highlighted text, or if no change has occurred, to state the fact that we are at the beginning or end of the field. Until 2017.3, this was 30 milliseconds, a time so short that you would hardly notice it.
 
An entry in the change log for 2017.3 reads:
• In editable text, when moving the caret (e.g. with the cursor keys or backspace), NVDA's spoken feedback is now more accurate in many cases, particularly in Chrome and terminal applications.
 
In fact, one of the ways this seems to have been resolved was to increase the cursor wait time from 30 to 100 milliseconds, which may not seem much but is in fact a 230% increase. This means that people who are well tuned in to how NVDA read data previously, and perhaps more importantly rely on speed, will notice this change.
This is all apparently covered on GitHub, which, as far as I’m concerned isn’t really a user-friendly platform (that’s to say it’s meant for developers, and expert ones at that, which means you’re going to see a lot of technical jargon). Some may argue that this issue is a very fine line between a development technicality and usability, and since I seem to have been the only one who cared or even noticed this, I’m inclined to agree. But at least it’s out there now.
So, to summarise:
1. This is actually intended behaviour.
2. You can change it, but you have to know how and where it’s stored. It’s not in the configuration dialogs. Some may not even find it worth the effort – I only did because it ground straight through my sensitive teeth and pounded through my skull.
3. If you change it, be aware that you may not get the improved accuracy stated in the change log entry quoted above.
Cheers.
Damien.
 


 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: question re nvaccess site and training materials

Quentin Christensen
 

Mary,

Yes, Outlook is something we were thinking of, just haven't got to it yet :)

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
Hi Quenton,

I am pretty sure I was tabbing. I know that's what I did in ie, and I think that's how I started out in FF, but then also tried down arrow, which didn't work. I will try tab again, however. It seems like you've surely got all the formats covered for the e-books. BTW, any plans for something specific for Outlook? Or do you feel it isn't necessary?



On 12/6/2017 4:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Hi Mary, > > How are you moving around the site? > > If you press down arrow from the top of the page, it will move to the > "home" link, and from there directly to the "donate" button (skipping > the rest of the navigation bar, which contains the shop link). If > you press TAB, K, or use the elements list dialog, the "shop" link > should be after, Home, About, Download, Get Help, Services and > Support Us. > > That behaviour (for me) is consistent across Firefox (ESR), Chrome, > Internet Explorer and Edge. > > For your other question, this eBook version of the training module > includes the following formats: .epub: An electronic book format > readable in many standalone book readers as well as book reading apps > on smartphones and computers. .html: A web page readable in any web > browser .docx: A Microsoft Word file .kfx: Used in Amazon Kindle > readers and the Kindle app for PC (version 1.19 or later required) > > (That information is on the individual page for each module, the main > shop page just has a shorter blurb for each item). > > Kind regards > > Quentin. > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@... > <mailto:maryotten@...>> wrote: > > I suppose this is mostly directed at Quenton. My experience with the > access site is that I absolutely can't get to the "shop" link using > firefox esr version, but with IE11, it is easy. Why might that be? I > mean, I can't even find it with the find command when using ff. > > > also, with regard to the ebooks for Word and the basic training > materials, what format are those in? I didn't see that mentioned on > the training materials page. > > > Thanks. > > > Mary > > > > > > > > -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager > > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now > available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ > > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/> Facebook: > http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Hi Quenton,

I think I started out in FF by tabbing. I know I also tried the find feature, and I tried arrowing. In ie, tab worked just fine. I will try tab again in FF.

It sounds like you have all the format bases covered for the training materials. Any thought of an Outlook module?

Mary




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.


Re: Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

 

Hi,
In short, NVDA isn't compatible with Windows 10 IoT Core nor Raspberry Pi.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav
Lal
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

Hi Joseph,
I see what you are getting at. I was confused by the reference to arm
processors in the release notes and the different versions of windows. I
have read more and see that nvda is being future ready to handle newer
devices like always connected pcs that will use arm processors.
Pranav

On 07-Dec-2017, at 6:28 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Let's try this method: can a car run without an engine? I want folks
to find out the answer on their own this time please.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pranav Lal
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

Hi all,

Given that NVDA now supports arm 64 windows, can it run on Windows IOT
running on a raspberry pi 3?

Pranav







Re: Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Joseph,
I see what you are getting at. I was confused by the reference to arm processors in the release notes and the different versions of windows. I have read more and see that nvda is being future ready to handle newer devices like always connected pcs that will use arm processors.
Pranav

On 07-Dec-2017, at 6:28 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Let's try this method: can a car run without an engine? I want folks to find
out the answer on their own this time please.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav
Lal
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

Hi all,

Given that NVDA now supports arm 64 windows, can it run on Windows IOT
running on a raspberry pi 3?

Pranav







Re: Navigating Text since NVDA 2017.3

Damien Garwood
 

Hi,
Actually, Tyler did all the tracking down, I simply put it out here for people to understand what was going on. I still don’t quite understand the magnitude of the issue myself. I noticed the issue, Tyler told me what it was and how to change it, I changed it and verified that it worked, I “published”, if you will, the results.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigating Text since NVDA 2017.3
 
Damien,

Well tracked down :)
 
Quentin.
 
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Damien Sykes <damien@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
For anyone like me who has noticed the text lag and wonders why. The following came from Tyler Spivey, who helped me resolve this strange conundrum.
It actually appears that NVDA has always had some reason or other to have to wait a predetermined amount of time for the cursor to move in order to read whatever new information is under the cursor, or to inform of highlighted text, or if no change has occurred, to state the fact that we are at the beginning or end of the field. Until 2017.3, this was 30 milliseconds, a time so short that you would hardly notice it.
 
An entry in the change log for 2017.3 reads:
• In editable text, when moving the caret (e.g. with the cursor keys or backspace), NVDA's spoken feedback is now more accurate in many cases, particularly in Chrome and terminal applications.
 
In fact, one of the ways this seems to have been resolved was to increase the cursor wait time from 30 to 100 milliseconds, which may not seem much but is in fact a 230% increase. This means that people who are well tuned in to how NVDA read data previously, and perhaps more importantly rely on speed, will notice this change.
This is all apparently covered on GitHub, which, as far as I’m concerned isn’t really a user-friendly platform (that’s to say it’s meant for developers, and expert ones at that, which means you’re going to see a lot of technical jargon). Some may argue that this issue is a very fine line between a development technicality and usability, and since I seem to have been the only one who cared or even noticed this, I’m inclined to agree. But at least it’s out there now.
So, to summarise:
1. This is actually intended behaviour.
2. You can change it, but you have to know how and where it’s stored. It’s not in the configuration dialogs. Some may not even find it worth the effort – I only did because it ground straight through my sensitive teeth and pounded through my skull.
3. If you change it, be aware that you may not get the improved accuracy stated in the change log entry quoted above.
Cheers.
Damien.
 


 
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Re: Power Point presentation access

ely.r@...
 

Sorry, I didn’t answer your question. I am running Office 365.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Point presentation access

 

Which version of Office are you using?  Certainly in recent versions, NVDA should work fine in presentation mode.  One big trick to look out for however, is when creating a slideshow, you can set bullet point "animations" where each bullet point (or other object on a slide) only appears as you press enter / right arrow etc.  This works visually, but NVDA reads the whole slide as soon as it loads.  The best workaround at this stage is ideally to not use animations for now (slide transitions are a separate thing - they control how each slide appears or replaces the last, and they are fine) or to use them consistently, press control as soon as each slide loads, and then as you press enter to load each bullet, press down arrow to have NVDA read you the line.

 

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:37 AM, <ely.r@...> wrote:

Thanks for this. I was in touch with the Microsoft Accessibility Team. They sent suggestions along using Narrator. However, even in the overview of that process, it was stated that Narrator would not work in presentation mode.

I will give this a try,
Rick


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Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Point presentation access

Hi,

if you change into the presentation Mode with F5, NVDA reads the whole slide. You then have to press Return to turn to the next slide.

HTH

2017-12-06 1:34 GMT+01:00, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>:
> Rick,
>
>
>
> I am able to read presentations including alternative text tags in
> Powerpoint with NVDA without problems. No third party program needed.
>
>
>
> Pranav
>
>


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Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

Don H
 

Any positive or negative comments concerning NVDA on a Microsoft Surface Pro along with its available keyboard?


Re: Power Point presentation access

ely.r@...
 

Knowing this, I will use your suggestions and see how it works. I have a totally blind friend who is a JAWS user and who will be teaching a course at a local community college and wants to use the previous instructors Power Point presentations. I have not had access to these, so who knows what is on the slides. I’ll see if she will send me a sample. Not sure if she would want to try NVDA, but sounds like the one way she may have that access.

Again, thanks

Rick

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Point presentation access

 

Which version of Office are you using?  Certainly in recent versions, NVDA should work fine in presentation mode.  One big trick to look out for however, is when creating a slideshow, you can set bullet point "animations" where each bullet point (or other object on a slide) only appears as you press enter / right arrow etc.  This works visually, but NVDA reads the whole slide as soon as it loads.  The best workaround at this stage is ideally to not use animations for now (slide transitions are a separate thing - they control how each slide appears or replaces the last, and they are fine) or to use them consistently, press control as soon as each slide loads, and then as you press enter to load each bullet, press down arrow to have NVDA read you the line.

 

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:37 AM, <ely.r@...> wrote:

Thanks for this. I was in touch with the Microsoft Accessibility Team. They sent suggestions along using Narrator. However, even in the overview of that process, it was stated that Narrator would not work in presentation mode.

I will give this a try,
Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Domingos de Oliveira via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Point presentation access

Hi,

if you change into the presentation Mode with F5, NVDA reads the whole slide. You then have to press Return to turn to the next slide.

HTH

2017-12-06 1:34 GMT+01:00, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>:
> Rick,
>
>
>
> I am able to read presentations including alternative text tags in
> Powerpoint with NVDA without problems. No third party program needed.
>
>
>
> Pranav
>
>


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