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Re: Normally, a horrible! idea, but can auto update be shut off?

Arlene
 

Yes, Not sure where you’d find that! You can turn off automatically updates on your xp box. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: December-07-17 2:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Normally, a horrible! idea, but can auto update be shut off?

 

I know I just said it is good to stay as much up to date as possible, I agree, I have a very specific reason for asking this. Given that I have my Win XP desktop still, again, it's not my primary system, no, but, I do use it on seldom occasions.

 

This all said, I know that the directive was made you must have at least SP1 of Win7 to use NVDA 2017.4.

 

Normally on this system, I use JAWS 15, so I haven't had the chance to fire up  NVDA, but, given this fact about 2017.4, I don't want the thing constantly nagging me to update, when it wouldn't be compatible.

 

My guess is, it'll be smart enough to see that it can't update to anything compatible, but, is that the case? Will it nag me every time I load NVDA, or will it know to keep me back on 2017.3, and not offer anything further? If it'll keep checking, then can I somehow in preferences tell it not to? I'd normally highly discourage doing this, but in my unique situation, it might be necessary.

 

Don't worry, I do! have plenty other systems running Windows 10, so it's not like my only Windows machine is way out of date.

 

Chris.


Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Yeah, that sounds a little more complicated than what I am looking for right now. Nonetheless, thanks for the suggestion.
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

It will let you lock the NVDA key or NVDA + shift key so that you don’t have to hold it pressed. Instead, you can only use arrow keys. And you swithch between navigation modes by just pressing ctrl + NVDA + tab once.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Christopher-Mark Gilland
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 23:08
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

OK, but, what does this addon, more specifically do? I'm quite comfortable with using screen review, so would really rather not change how I'm currently accessing things, not knowing the specifics.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

If you want a much easier possibility to use these navigation modes, please install the addon objpad from

www.addons.nvda-project.org

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Christopher-Mark Gilland
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 18:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Gene,

 

You bring up something which poses a question I've had for a while now.

 

Is there really any advantage to using screen review over object nav, or vice versa?

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

There is no setting to use the equivalent of the JAWS cursor with standard movement keys such as up and down arrow.  There is an equivalent to the JAWS cursor, screen review and you navigate mostly using the numpad in that mode.  It's somewhat similar to Window-eyes in that you can still use the arrow keys on the main keyboard and the main navigation commands for screen review are on the numpad.  This is for the desktop layout.  I don't know what the navigation commands are for the laptop layout. 

 

After using screen review, you should return to object navigation.  If you do, certain review commands you may want to use won't work correctly. For example I don't like using the read current line command NVDA uses.  I use numpad 8 which reads the current object, which acts the same as read current line.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

I started using NVDA recently, and I really was surprised at how similar the default keyboard layout is to that of JAWS. I’m sure this wasn’t done by accident. The only thing is, that navigation and focus does work a little differently. And of ourse, ther’es no “JAWS cursor”, but that particular JFW feature is growing less and less useful as times goes on (though I still use it a fair bit in certain older applications that don’t have screen-reader support built in or any add-ons).

 

NVDA’s web support is great, and while I happen to only have Office 2010 on this Windows 10 machine, Outlook and Word both function pretty much as well as they do with JFW. Others have reported issues with office 2016/365, but, well, this isn’t unique to nVDA users so far as I can tell.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: December 7, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Yes the reading navigation keys.

I've been using JAWS for 20+ years. It's like my fingers have a mind of their own. Will be very difficult to change my habits from wanting to use the numpad keys for navigation.

Will definitely take some time.

At 11:27 PM 12/6/2017, you wrote:

Hi


Do you mean by keyboard navigation the usual?


Like using the arrow keys tab etc etc.


You would find it quite easy to pick up.


Depending if you install nvda to your pc you will have the choice of the desktop layout or a lap top layout for your keyboard.


If you install nvda to your pc it is the alt key + ctrl key + letter N to start nvda.

To get into your preferences is the nvda key + the letter N

To quit your copy of nvda is the nvda key + the letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key or the caps lock key. You would use one of the with a key to turn off nvda. for example if the insert key is chosen you would use the insert key + letter Q to turn off nvda.


NVDA comes default with the e speak synth but you can use other free or paid synths.


The synth you are talking about is a commercial one and can come as a add on or a sapi 5 version  at a cost.


There are keys combo that are simular to jaws and plus you can change them if needed.

The following link may help you to answer some of your questions at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ

Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 3:41 PM, Kenny wrote:

Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.


--
 
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: neospeech

mattias
 

Maybe 64bit voices are more stable

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Mary Otten
Skickat: den 7 december 2017 23:15
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] neospeech

 

How can you tell if a voice you have is a 32-bit or a 64-bit voice? And

what would be the advantage of a 64-bit voice?

 

 

On 12/7/2017 2:13 PM, Jim Hunt wrote:

> Yeah, maybe NVDA only sees 32-bit voices.  I emailed

> sales@....  Hopefully they'll get back to me.

> On 12/7/17, mattias <mjonsson1986@...> wrote:

>> I now checked in narrator and guest what?

>> Yes the voice appears there

>> I soon wonder if nvda only see 32 bit voices

>> 

>> Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

>> 

>> Från: Mary Otten

>> Skickat: den 7 december 2017 22:48

>> Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Ämne: Re: [nvda] neospeech

>> 

>> This is probably of no use at all, but NVDA sees my copy of James, which is

>> labeled Voiceware, and was installed with Kurzweil 1000. So it is not a

>> trial. I wonder why it wouldn't see a trial but does see my copy when ms

>> sapi is selected as the synthesizer.

>> 

>> Mary

>> 

>> On 12/7/2017 1:30 PM, mattias wrote:

>> Ok now i’m a bit angry..

>> I have a trial of neospeech james

>> 64 bit

>> Nvda dont see it in my sapi voices list..

>> But!  Jaws no problem

>> I have not checked in narrator

>> 

>> Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: neospeech

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


As far as I knew, NVDA could see 32 and 64 SAPI voices, but maybe not. When you say it only sees 32 bit perhaps, are you specifically saying 32 bit Neospeech, or do you mean more in general?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hunt
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] neospeech

Yeah, maybe NVDA only sees 32-bit voices.  I emailed
sales@....  Hopefully they'll get back to me.

On 12/7/17, mattias <mjonsson1986@...> wrote:
> I now checked in narrator and guest what?
> Yes the voice appears there
> I soon wonder if nvda only see 32 bit voices
>
> Skickades från E-post för Windows 10
>
> Från: Mary Otten
> Skickat: den 7 december 2017 22:48
> Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Ämne: Re: [nvda] neospeech
>
> This is probably of no use at all, but NVDA sees my copy of James, which is
> labeled Voiceware, and was installed with Kurzweil 1000. So it is not a
> trial. I wonder why it wouldn't see a trial but does see my copy when ms
> sapi is selected as the synthesizer.
>
> Mary
>
> On 12/7/2017 1:30 PM, mattias wrote:
> Ok now i’m a bit angry..
> I have a trial of neospeech james
> 64 bit
> Nvda dont see it in my sapi voices list..
> But! Jaws no problem
> I have not checked in narrator
>
> Skickades från E-post för Windows 10
>
>
>
>
>



Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Adriani Botez
 

Screen review however is a bit different here, it’s called scan mode and reads only an object per line as far as I can understand it.

 

It is quite useful for object navigation though.

 

And it could bring better user experience for some people who are used to touch cursor in jaws. In this addon is called web mode. With up and down arrow you switch between elements (headings, formfields etc.) and with left and right arrow you jump from element to element. It replaces the quick navigation key so to speak. But quick navigation keys are ofcourse still available as well as all other navigation modes you are using now. It just brings some additional features to your screen reader.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Christopher-Mark Gilland
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 23:08
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

OK, but, what does this addon, more specifically do? I'm quite comfortable with using screen review, so would really rather not change how I'm currently accessing things, not knowing the specifics.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

If you want a much easier possibility to use these navigation modes, please install the addon objpad from

www.addons.nvda-project.org

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Christopher-Mark Gilland
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 18:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Gene,

 

You bring up something which poses a question I've had for a while now.

 

Is there really any advantage to using screen review over object nav, or vice versa?

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

There is no setting to use the equivalent of the JAWS cursor with standard movement keys such as up and down arrow.  There is an equivalent to the JAWS cursor, screen review and you navigate mostly using the numpad in that mode.  It's somewhat similar to Window-eyes in that you can still use the arrow keys on the main keyboard and the main navigation commands for screen review are on the numpad.  This is for the desktop layout.  I don't know what the navigation commands are for the laptop layout. 

 

After using screen review, you should return to object navigation.  If you do, certain review commands you may want to use won't work correctly. For example I don't like using the read current line command NVDA uses.  I use numpad 8 which reads the current object, which acts the same as read current line.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

I started using NVDA recently, and I really was surprised at how similar the default keyboard layout is to that of JAWS. I’m sure this wasn’t done by accident. The only thing is, that navigation and focus does work a little differently. And of ourse, ther’es no “JAWS cursor”, but that particular JFW feature is growing less and less useful as times goes on (though I still use it a fair bit in certain older applications that don’t have screen-reader support built in or any add-ons).

 

NVDA’s web support is great, and while I happen to only have Office 2010 on this Windows 10 machine, Outlook and Word both function pretty much as well as they do with JFW. Others have reported issues with office 2016/365, but, well, this isn’t unique to nVDA users so far as I can tell.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: December 7, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Yes the reading navigation keys.

I've been using JAWS for 20+ years. It's like my fingers have a mind of their own. Will be very difficult to change my habits from wanting to use the numpad keys for navigation.

Will definitely take some time.

At 11:27 PM 12/6/2017, you wrote:

Hi


Do you mean by keyboard navigation the usual?


Like using the arrow keys tab etc etc.


You would find it quite easy to pick up.


Depending if you install nvda to your pc you will have the choice of the desktop layout or a lap top layout for your keyboard.


If you install nvda to your pc it is the alt key + ctrl key + letter N to start nvda.

To get into your preferences is the nvda key + the letter N

To quit your copy of nvda is the nvda key + the letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key or the caps lock key. You would use one of the with a key to turn off nvda. for example if the insert key is chosen you would use the insert key + letter Q to turn off nvda.


NVDA comes default with the e speak synth but you can use other free or paid synths.


The synth you are talking about is a commercial one and can come as a add on or a sapi 5 version  at a cost.


There are keys combo that are simular to jaws and plus you can change them if needed.

The following link may help you to answer some of your questions at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ

Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 3:41 PM, Kenny wrote:

Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.


--
 
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Design Help, Please

Gene
 

Most lists don't allow attachments for security reasons and this list follows that practice.  that's why I suggested using a file sharing service like Drop Box.  You can send attachments privately to everyone who inquires or you can send a link for people to download it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Design Help, Please

I sent it to the list and to you privately. Email warned me that no one would likely get it because the attachments are suspicious. Justletting you know to check your junk or virus folder.

 

Tonea

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Design Help, Please

 

Could you please send an example of a help file? You could send it privately as well.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 


Normally, a horrible! idea, but can auto update be shut off?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I know I just said it is good to stay as much up to date as possible, I agree, I have a very specific reason for asking this. Given that I have my Win XP desktop still, again, it's not my primary system, no, but, I do use it on seldom occasions.
 
This all said, I know that the directive was made you must have at least SP1 of Win7 to use NVDA 2017.4.
 
Normally on this system, I use JAWS 15, so I haven't had the chance to fire up  NVDA, but, given this fact about 2017.4, I don't want the thing constantly nagging me to update, when it wouldn't be compatible.
 
My guess is, it'll be smart enough to see that it can't update to anything compatible, but, is that the case? Will it nag me every time I load NVDA, or will it know to keep me back on 2017.3, and not offer anything further? If it'll keep checking, then can I somehow in preferences tell it not to? I'd normally highly discourage doing this, but in my unique situation, it might be necessary.
 
Don't worry, I do! have plenty other systems running Windows 10, so it's not like my only Windows machine is way out of date.
 
Chris.


Re: IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Arlene
 

You mean your Alva Satalite does not work on win ten?  I have an Alva Not sure what it is. It works on 7.  Not sure if it’s the one you have.  Would be good if it would work on ten. What if the old xp dies?  I know a friend who uses win ten. But has an xp clunker like you. He uses it for what xp can do with audio files like convert old vhs video tapes to mp3. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: December-07-17 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

 

Completely agreed. OK, I do have an XP machine still, but it's definitely not my primary system, and I only use it mainly for old legacy stuff that refuses to work on newer technology... like my Alva Satalite display. I'd kill! to get that thing working on my Windows 10 machine, but every hack, and every driver I've tried, it just won't do it.

---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

 

With respect,  This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
> Not  necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
> allowed
>
> windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
> likely they
>
> just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
> be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
> had been
>
> turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>
>
>>I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
>>and have turned off auto update.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
>>> from
>>>
>>> friends that this update some years back now was pushed
>>> automatically to
>>>
>>> existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.
>>>
>>> Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
>>> simple
>>>
>>> on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
>>> going
>>>
>>> to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
>>> that the
>>>
>>> old version of 7 will still allow the update.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
>>> Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
>>> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear NVDA community,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
>>>> having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
>>>> using Windows 7 RTM build.
>>>> Thus the following community directive:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
>>>> later
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> ABSOLUTELY required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To find out which Windows release you've got:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
>>>> 2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
>>>> 3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
>>>> lower than
>>>> that:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
>>>> 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
>>>> * If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
>>>> then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
>>>> supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
>>>> using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
>>>> stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Adriani Botez
 

It will let you lock the NVDA key or NVDA + shift key so that you don’t have to hold it pressed. Instead, you can only use arrow keys. And you swithch between navigation modes by just pressing ctrl + NVDA + tab once.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Christopher-Mark Gilland
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 23:08
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

OK, but, what does this addon, more specifically do? I'm quite comfortable with using screen review, so would really rather not change how I'm currently accessing things, not knowing the specifics.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

If you want a much easier possibility to use these navigation modes, please install the addon objpad from

www.addons.nvda-project.org

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Christopher-Mark Gilland
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 18:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Gene,

 

You bring up something which poses a question I've had for a while now.

 

Is there really any advantage to using screen review over object nav, or vice versa?

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

There is no setting to use the equivalent of the JAWS cursor with standard movement keys such as up and down arrow.  There is an equivalent to the JAWS cursor, screen review and you navigate mostly using the numpad in that mode.  It's somewhat similar to Window-eyes in that you can still use the arrow keys on the main keyboard and the main navigation commands for screen review are on the numpad.  This is for the desktop layout.  I don't know what the navigation commands are for the laptop layout. 

 

After using screen review, you should return to object navigation.  If you do, certain review commands you may want to use won't work correctly. For example I don't like using the read current line command NVDA uses.  I use numpad 8 which reads the current object, which acts the same as read current line.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

I started using NVDA recently, and I really was surprised at how similar the default keyboard layout is to that of JAWS. I’m sure this wasn’t done by accident. The only thing is, that navigation and focus does work a little differently. And of ourse, ther’es no “JAWS cursor”, but that particular JFW feature is growing less and less useful as times goes on (though I still use it a fair bit in certain older applications that don’t have screen-reader support built in or any add-ons).

 

NVDA’s web support is great, and while I happen to only have Office 2010 on this Windows 10 machine, Outlook and Word both function pretty much as well as they do with JFW. Others have reported issues with office 2016/365, but, well, this isn’t unique to nVDA users so far as I can tell.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: December 7, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Yes the reading navigation keys.

I've been using JAWS for 20+ years. It's like my fingers have a mind of their own. Will be very difficult to change my habits from wanting to use the numpad keys for navigation.

Will definitely take some time.

At 11:27 PM 12/6/2017, you wrote:

Hi


Do you mean by keyboard navigation the usual?


Like using the arrow keys tab etc etc.


You would find it quite easy to pick up.


Depending if you install nvda to your pc you will have the choice of the desktop layout or a lap top layout for your keyboard.


If you install nvda to your pc it is the alt key + ctrl key + letter N to start nvda.

To get into your preferences is the nvda key + the letter N

To quit your copy of nvda is the nvda key + the letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key or the caps lock key. You would use one of the with a key to turn off nvda. for example if the insert key is chosen you would use the insert key + letter Q to turn off nvda.


NVDA comes default with the e speak synth but you can use other free or paid synths.


The synth you are talking about is a commercial one and can come as a add on or a sapi 5 version  at a cost.


There are keys combo that are simular to jaws and plus you can change them if needed.

The following link may help you to answer some of your questions at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ

Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 3:41 PM, Kenny wrote:

Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.


--
 
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: neospeech

Mary Otten
 

How can you tell if a voice you have is a 32-bit or a 64-bit voice? And what would be the advantage of a 64-bit voice?

On 12/7/2017 2:13 PM, Jim Hunt wrote:
Yeah, maybe NVDA only sees 32-bit voices. I emailed
sales@neospeech.com. Hopefully they'll get back to me.

On 12/7/17, mattias <mjonsson1986@gmail.com> wrote:
I now checked in narrator and guest what?
Yes the voice appears there
I soon wonder if nvda only see 32 bit voices

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

Från: Mary Otten
Skickat: den 7 december 2017 22:48
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] neospeech

This is probably of no use at all, but NVDA sees my copy of James, which is
labeled Voiceware, and was installed with Kurzweil 1000. So it is not a
trial. I wonder why it wouldn't see a trial but does see my copy when ms
sapi is selected as the synthesizer.

Mary

On 12/7/2017 1:30 PM, mattias wrote:
Ok now i’m a bit angry..
I have a trial of neospeech james
64 bit
Nvda dont see it in my sapi voices list..
But!  Jaws no problem
I have not checked in narrator

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10





Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Adriani Botez
 

Gene, since you delivered the commands for desktop layout, I have just continued your point by bringing the laptop layout.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Gene
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 23:10
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

All these commands are for the laptop layout.  this needs to be specified or there may be considerable confusion if people using the desktop layout try to use these commands. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 3:22 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

In screen review you can sometimes find objects faster because it is restricted for the window you are in and every press of up arrow or down arrow will read the whole line on the screen. So if there are 10 objects side to side you will hear them all being red. If you want to go to the eighth object you hold NVDA and CTRL and press right arrow key to navigate there. However, screen review does not recognize the distance between objects reliably. So there could be two objects which are being red as if they were a single word. In this case you have to navigat letter by letter with NVDA + right arrow. You activate an object by pressing enter.

 

In contrast, object navigation uses the hierarchie of objects on the screen but it does not give you an exact map of the screen. Apart from that, object navigation is not restricted on the active window. The advantage of object navigation is that the names of objects are being recognized very reliable in comparison to screen review. And object navigation gives you much more information than screen review. You can learn how menus are grouped and how an application is structured without loosing your cursor position. Go for example in firefox quantum settings and try to read the group of settings by using object navigation.

On each group you have to press down arrow to enter it and up arrow to leave it. Once you are in a group, press right and left arrow to move through the entries of the group. To move the mouse to a group, press m. And to activate an object press left mouse click.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Christopher-Mark Gilland
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 18:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Gene,

 

You bring up something which poses a question I've had for a while now.

 

Is there really any advantage to using screen review over object nav, or vice versa?

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

There is no setting to use the equivalent of the JAWS cursor with standard movement keys such as up and down arrow.  There is an equivalent to the JAWS cursor, screen review and you navigate mostly using the numpad in that mode.  It's somewhat similar to Window-eyes in that you can still use the arrow keys on the main keyboard and the main navigation commands for screen review are on the numpad.  This is for the desktop layout.  I don't know what the navigation commands are for the laptop layout. 

 

After using screen review, you should return to object navigation.  If you do, certain review commands you may want to use won't work correctly. For example I don't like using the read current line command NVDA uses.  I use numpad 8 which reads the current object, which acts the same as read current line.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

I started using NVDA recently, and I really was surprised at how similar the default keyboard layout is to that of JAWS. I’m sure this wasn’t done by accident. The only thing is, that navigation and focus does work a little differently. And of ourse, ther’es no “JAWS cursor”, but that particular JFW feature is growing less and less useful as times goes on (though I still use it a fair bit in certain older applications that don’t have screen-reader support built in or any add-ons).

 

NVDA’s web support is great, and while I happen to only have Office 2010 on this Windows 10 machine, Outlook and Word both function pretty much as well as they do with JFW. Others have reported issues with office 2016/365, but, well, this isn’t unique to nVDA users so far as I can tell.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: December 7, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Yes the reading navigation keys.

I've been using JAWS for 20+ years. It's like my fingers have a mind of their own. Will be very difficult to change my habits from wanting to use the numpad keys for navigation.

Will definitely take some time.

At 11:27 PM 12/6/2017, you wrote:

Hi


Do you mean by keyboard navigation the usual?


Like using the arrow keys tab etc etc.


You would find it quite easy to pick up.


Depending if you install nvda to your pc you will have the choice of the desktop layout or a lap top layout for your keyboard.


If you install nvda to your pc it is the alt key + ctrl key + letter N to start nvda.

To get into your preferences is the nvda key + the letter N

To quit your copy of nvda is the nvda key + the letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key or the caps lock key. You would use one of the with a key to turn off nvda. for example if the insert key is chosen you would use the insert key + letter Q to turn off nvda.


NVDA comes default with the e speak synth but you can use other free or paid synths.


The synth you are talking about is a commercial one and can come as a add on or a sapi 5 version  at a cost.


There are keys combo that are simular to jaws and plus you can change them if needed.

The following link may help you to answer some of your questions at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ

Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 3:41 PM, Kenny wrote:

Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.


--
 
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: neospeech

Jim Hunt
 

Yeah, maybe NVDA only sees 32-bit voices. I emailed
sales@neospeech.com. Hopefully they'll get back to me.

On 12/7/17, mattias <mjonsson1986@gmail.com> wrote:
I now checked in narrator and guest what?
Yes the voice appears there
I soon wonder if nvda only see 32 bit voices

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

Från: Mary Otten
Skickat: den 7 december 2017 22:48
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] neospeech

This is probably of no use at all, but NVDA sees my copy of James, which is
labeled Voiceware, and was installed with Kurzweil 1000. So it is not a
trial. I wonder why it wouldn't see a trial but does see my copy when ms
sapi is selected as the synthesizer.

Mary

On 12/7/2017 1:30 PM, mattias wrote:
Ok now i’m a bit angry..
I have a trial of neospeech james
64 bit
Nvda dont see it in my sapi voices list..
But!  Jaws no problem
I have not checked in narrator

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10





Re: IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Arlene
 

I believe that! I'm using win 7.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: December-07-17 1:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

There will be new functions, much more productivity, much more user experience and so on. Screen readers will get smarter as well. We have to stay on the path to it, not to battle against it.


Best
Adriani



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Arlene
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 22:48
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Oh? It will be a shock. How screen readers will be different in 5 years!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: December-07-17 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

With respect, This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Gene
 

All these commands are for the laptop layout.  this needs to be specified or there may be considerable confusion if people using the desktop layout try to use these commands. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

In screen review you can sometimes find objects faster because it is restricted for the window you are in and every press of up arrow or down arrow will read the whole line on the screen. So if there are 10 objects side to side you will hear them all being red. If you want to go to the eighth object you hold NVDA and CTRL and press right arrow key to navigate there. However, screen review does not recognize the distance between objects reliably. So there could be two objects which are being red as if they were a single word. In this case you have to navigat letter by letter with NVDA + right arrow. You activate an object by pressing enter.

 

In contrast, object navigation uses the hierarchie of objects on the screen but it does not give you an exact map of the screen. Apart from that, object navigation is not restricted on the active window. The advantage of object navigation is that the names of objects are being recognized very reliable in comparison to screen review. And object navigation gives you much more information than screen review. You can learn how menus are grouped and how an application is structured without loosing your cursor position. Go for example in firefox quantum settings and try to read the group of settings by using object navigation.

On each group you have to press down arrow to enter it and up arrow to leave it. Once you are in a group, press right and left arrow to move through the entries of the group. To move the mouse to a group, press m. And to activate an object press left mouse click.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Christopher-Mark Gilland
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 18:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Gene,

 

You bring up something which poses a question I've had for a while now.

 

Is there really any advantage to using screen review over object nav, or vice versa?

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

There is no setting to use the equivalent of the JAWS cursor with standard movement keys such as up and down arrow.  There is an equivalent to the JAWS cursor, screen review and you navigate mostly using the numpad in that mode.  It's somewhat similar to Window-eyes in that you can still use the arrow keys on the main keyboard and the main navigation commands for screen review are on the numpad.  This is for the desktop layout.  I don't know what the navigation commands are for the laptop layout. 

 

After using screen review, you should return to object navigation.  If you do, certain review commands you may want to use won't work correctly. For example I don't like using the read current line command NVDA uses.  I use numpad 8 which reads the current object, which acts the same as read current line.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

I started using NVDA recently, and I really was surprised at how similar the default keyboard layout is to that of JAWS. I’m sure this wasn’t done by accident. The only thing is, that navigation and focus does work a little differently. And of ourse, ther’es no “JAWS cursor”, but that particular JFW feature is growing less and less useful as times goes on (though I still use it a fair bit in certain older applications that don’t have screen-reader support built in or any add-ons).

 

NVDA’s web support is great, and while I happen to only have Office 2010 on this Windows 10 machine, Outlook and Word both function pretty much as well as they do with JFW. Others have reported issues with office 2016/365, but, well, this isn’t unique to nVDA users so far as I can tell.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: December 7, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Yes the reading navigation keys.

I've been using JAWS for 20+ years. It's like my fingers have a mind of their own. Will be very difficult to change my habits from wanting to use the numpad keys for navigation.

Will definitely take some time.

At 11:27 PM 12/6/2017, you wrote:

Hi


Do you mean by keyboard navigation the usual?


Like using the arrow keys tab etc etc.


You would find it quite easy to pick up.


Depending if you install nvda to your pc you will have the choice of the desktop layout or a lap top layout for your keyboard.


If you install nvda to your pc it is the alt key + ctrl key + letter N to start nvda.

To get into your preferences is the nvda key + the letter N

To quit your copy of nvda is the nvda key + the letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key or the caps lock key. You would use one of the with a key to turn off nvda. for example if the insert key is chosen you would use the insert key + letter Q to turn off nvda.


NVDA comes default with the e speak synth but you can use other free or paid synths.


The synth you are talking about is a commercial one and can come as a add on or a sapi 5 version  at a cost.


There are keys combo that are simular to jaws and plus you can change them if needed.

The following link may help you to answer some of your questions at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ

Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 3:41 PM, Kenny wrote:

Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.


--
 
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: neospeech

mattias
 

I now checked in narrator and guest what?

Yes the voice appears there

I soon wonder if nvda only see 32 bit voices

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Mary Otten
Skickat: den 7 december 2017 22:48
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] neospeech

 

This is probably of no use at all, but NVDA sees my copy of James, which is labeled Voiceware, and was installed with Kurzweil 1000. So it is not a trial. I wonder why it wouldn't see a trial but does see my copy when ms sapi is selected as the synthesizer.

 

Mary

 

On 12/7/2017 1:30 PM, mattias wrote:

Ok now i’m a bit angry..

I have a trial of neospeech james

64 bit

Nvda dont see it in my sapi voices list..

But!  Jaws no problem

I have not checked in narrator

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

OK, but, what does this addon, more specifically do? I'm quite comfortable with using screen review, so would really rather not change how I'm currently accessing things, not knowing the specifics.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

If you want a much easier possibility to use these navigation modes, please install the addon objpad from

www.addons.nvda-project.org

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Christopher-Mark Gilland
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 18:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Gene,

 

You bring up something which poses a question I've had for a while now.

 

Is there really any advantage to using screen review over object nav, or vice versa?

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

There is no setting to use the equivalent of the JAWS cursor with standard movement keys such as up and down arrow.  There is an equivalent to the JAWS cursor, screen review and you navigate mostly using the numpad in that mode.  It's somewhat similar to Window-eyes in that you can still use the arrow keys on the main keyboard and the main navigation commands for screen review are on the numpad.  This is for the desktop layout.  I don't know what the navigation commands are for the laptop layout. 

 

After using screen review, you should return to object navigation.  If you do, certain review commands you may want to use won't work correctly. For example I don't like using the read current line command NVDA uses.  I use numpad 8 which reads the current object, which acts the same as read current line.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

I started using NVDA recently, and I really was surprised at how similar the default keyboard layout is to that of JAWS. I’m sure this wasn’t done by accident. The only thing is, that navigation and focus does work a little differently. And of ourse, ther’es no “JAWS cursor”, but that particular JFW feature is growing less and less useful as times goes on (though I still use it a fair bit in certain older applications that don’t have screen-reader support built in or any add-ons).

 

NVDA’s web support is great, and while I happen to only have Office 2010 on this Windows 10 machine, Outlook and Word both function pretty much as well as they do with JFW. Others have reported issues with office 2016/365, but, well, this isn’t unique to nVDA users so far as I can tell.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: December 7, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Yes the reading navigation keys.

I've been using JAWS for 20+ years. It's like my fingers have a mind of their own. Will be very difficult to change my habits from wanting to use the numpad keys for navigation.

Will definitely take some time.

At 11:27 PM 12/6/2017, you wrote:

Hi


Do you mean by keyboard navigation the usual?


Like using the arrow keys tab etc etc.


You would find it quite easy to pick up.


Depending if you install nvda to your pc you will have the choice of the desktop layout or a lap top layout for your keyboard.


If you install nvda to your pc it is the alt key + ctrl key + letter N to start nvda.

To get into your preferences is the nvda key + the letter N

To quit your copy of nvda is the nvda key + the letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key or the caps lock key. You would use one of the with a key to turn off nvda. for example if the insert key is chosen you would use the insert key + letter Q to turn off nvda.


NVDA comes default with the e speak synth but you can use other free or paid synths.


The synth you are talking about is a commercial one and can come as a add on or a sapi 5 version  at a cost.


There are keys combo that are simular to jaws and plus you can change them if needed.

The following link may help you to answer some of your questions at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ

Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 3:41 PM, Kenny wrote:

Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.


--
 
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Completely agreed. OK, I do have an XP machine still, but it's definitely not my primary system, and I only use it mainly for old legacy stuff that refuses to work on newer technology... like my Alva Satalite display. I'd kill! to get that thing working on my Windows 10 machine, but every hack, and every driver I've tried, it just won't do it.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

With respect,  This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
> Not  necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
> allowed
>
> windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
> likely they
>
> just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
> be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
> had been
>
> turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>
>
>>I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
>>and have turned off auto update.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
>>> from
>>>
>>> friends that this update some years back now was pushed
>>> automatically to
>>>
>>> existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.
>>>
>>> Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
>>> simple
>>>
>>> on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
>>> going
>>>
>>> to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
>>> that the
>>>
>>> old version of 7 will still allow the update.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
>>> Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
>>> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear NVDA community,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
>>>> having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
>>>> using Windows 7 RTM build.
>>>> Thus the following community directive:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
>>>> later
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> ABSOLUTELY required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To find out which Windows release you've got:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
>>>> 2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
>>>> 3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
>>>> lower than
>>>> that:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
>>>> 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
>>>> * If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
>>>> then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
>>>> supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
>>>> using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
>>>> stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
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Re: Design Help, Please

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

I sent it to the list and to you privately. Email warned me that no one would likely get it because the attachments are suspicious. Just letting you know to check your junk or virus folder.

 

Tonea

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Design Help, Please

 

Could you please send an example of a help file? You could send it privately as well.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 


Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

Kevin Cussick
 

I use one and have no problems, I can't think of any tips it just works. it is the pro4 I hear there on surface Pro5 now.

On 07/12/2017 01:45, Don H wrote:
Any positive or negative comments concerning NVDA on a Microsoft Surface Pro along with its available keyboard?


Re: IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Adriani Botez
 

There will be new functions, much more productivity, much more user experience and so on. Screen readers will get smarter as well. We have to stay on the path to it, not to battle against it.


Best
Adriani



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Arlene
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 22:48
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Oh? It will be a shock. How screen readers will be different in 5 years!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: December-07-17 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

With respect, This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org