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Re: Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

For me, having espeak as a sapi5 voice wouldn't work because inflection doesn't apply to sapi voices the way it does with the normal espeak package or the Speech Player in Espeak addon. I always have inflection maxed out. I am currently using the Speech Player in Espeak addon because I do a lot of reading and writing, and the problems (most of which were perfectly fine in the previous version of NVDA) are so jarring that I keep being yanked out of my enjoyment of whatever story/post I'm reading. By the sounds of it, a lot more languages have been scrambled than just English Great Britain.


Couldn't we get an NVDA 2017.4.1 with the old espeak from the previous version put in? Until the issues with the current Espeak-NG are solved, it seems the best solution to satisfy everyone. What's the point of a screen reader if the synth isn't understandable to its users? I'm sure those who have discovered this in non-English languages are having an even harder time of it...


On 8/12/2017 12:22 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Dear Zahra,

Yes, there seem to be problems with a number of languages with eSpeak NG at the moment.  Part of the problem for us is that we've been upgrading the version of eSpeak NG we use to try and overcome other problems.  So clearly we haven't found the best setup yet...

Actually I just had a bit of a browse, for those who liked the old eSpeak, you can download a version of eSpeak (not NG) compiled as a SAPI 5 voice here: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/download.html

I wonder if that is worth looking at for those experiencing problems with the current eSpeak NG tts?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:23 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin,

may i request the problem hear?
iranian people reported problem with espeak ng new version.
they told that espeak voice became more robatic and unpleasant and
also many words which spoked previously correctly, now espeak ng says
them wrong!
we put punctuation level none and nvda speaks some of them!
even we cant select to use farsi with english US or english Uk!
hope that someone help the iranian users of new espeak ng too.
God bless you all!

On 12/6/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
> Thanks I've sent off an email to see what occurs.
>  brain
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>
>
>> Here you go to subscribe:
>> espeak-ng+subscribe@groups.io
>>
>> On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>>> What do I do to subscribe by sending an email, by the way?
>>>  I don't really want to mess around on the web for this.
>>>  brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>
>>>
>>>> The developer created a mailing list for that, here is the link:
>>>> https://groups.io/g/espeak-ng
>>>>
>>>> On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>>>>> It would also be good to see a very clear message somewhere permanent
>>>>> about
>>>>>
>>>>> somewhere we can interact with the current Espeak team and shall we
>>>>> say,
>>>>>
>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>> be sort of ignored as noise.
>>>>>  Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We changed from using eSpeak NG 1.49.1 in 2017.3 to using 1.49.2, but
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> those not using the Next or Master snaps, the RC builds (or the final
>>>>>> 2017.4 when it comes out) are likely the first time they've tried it.
>>>>>> So,
>>>>>> as Brian guessed, it's likely that the issues here are not specific
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> RC as such, but to the change in eSpeak version, since the RCs are a
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> more widely distributed.  It would be good to get confirmation from
>>>>>> Marco
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Brian's Mail list account via
>>>>>> Groups.Io
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got the impressing it was RCs in this series actually.
>>>>>>> I have certainly noticed some strangenesses in Espeak on recent
>>>>>>> snapshots
>>>>>>> since the last two updates of espeak NG, none for the better
>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>> in English hence my work around mentioned in my reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess the most noticable is the way it says the word for in some
>>>>>>> circumstances, making it into fur.  Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <
>>>>>>> antony.stone@....it>
>>>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 2:49 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your subject line refers to the new RC version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this problem something new in the latest RC version and did not
>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> earlier (RC or otherwise) versions, or does the same problem also
>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> older (especially standard release) versions of NVDA?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday 04 December 2017 at 11:43:33, Marco Oros wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the first, where can I inform about this thing of NVDA
>>>>>>>>> misstakes
>>>>>>>>> of,
>>>>>>>>> for example Espeak NG?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because I have noticed, that new Mandarin Chinese is badly
>>>>>>>>> pronounced
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> NVDA in that way, that syllable and some kind of number. Maybe,
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> problem of Espeak NG, but I am not shure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nextly, arabic letter meem is pronounced in Espeak, like meetar,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> think, that It is incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where can I issued those things?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank You.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marco Oros
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> "If I've told you once, I've told you a million times - stop
>>>>>>>> exaggerating!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                                   Please reply to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> list;
>>>>>>>>                                                         please
>>>>>>>> *don't*
>>>>>>>> CC
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>>> available:
>>>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.nvaccess.org
>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>>>>
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Re: Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version

 

hi quentin again.
thanks extremely for your attention and your kind attitude towards me.
yes, the old espeak was very great in many cases, and many times i
wished that i use nvda 2016.1 without update forever to avoide
problems of espeak ng.
i love advantages of usual espeak with one feature of speech player in
espeak addon, because we can select to hear american sentences with US
accent!
but in old espeak, we did not have this freedom of selection between
UK and US accent and this feature, is the only advantage of espeak ng!
hope that my explanation be clear for you and i wish that you help me
in this regard!
for me who dont use addons, i wished that i had all these advantages
with espeak included in nvda and what do you think about returning to
nvda 2016.1 to avoide these issues?
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you always!

On 12/8/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, quentin,

Thanks for diligent for responding and giving heads up into this matter.
However, I am thinking if we could be switch back to an old eSpeak
rather I am only suggesting what's best instead of making changes or
update on our synthesis. in this way could fix or resolve the issue
cause I am afraid to update and installed again for not letting our
setup will be messed up. For me, it is more feasible to use the old
eSpeak instead. For the meantime, I am just using my portable copy of
the old nvda into my flash drive which happened works well to do my
task. I am bit concern here cause some of us is heavily reliable with
use of nvda as their screen reader into our machine. Apologize for
making this possible suggestion here.


Robert Mendoza


On 12/8/2017 9:22 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Dear Zahra,

Yes, there seem to be problems with a number of languages with eSpeak
NG at the moment.  Part of the problem for us is that we've been
upgrading the version of eSpeak NG we use to try and overcome other
problems.  So clearly we haven't found the best setup yet...

Actually I just had a bit of a browse, for those who liked the old
eSpeak, you can download a version of eSpeak (not NG) compiled as a
SAPI 5 voice here: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/download.html

I wonder if that is worth looking at for those experiencing problems
with the current eSpeak NG tts?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:23 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com
<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>> wrote:

hi quentin,

may i request the problem hear?
iranian people reported problem with espeak ng new version.
they told that espeak voice became more robatic and unpleasant and
also many words which spoked previously correctly, now espeak ng says
them wrong!
we put punctuation level none and nvda speaks some of them!
even we cant select to use farsi with english US or english Uk!
hope that someone help the iranian users of new espeak ng too.
God bless you all!

On 12/6/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
<mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:
> Thanks I've sent off an email to see what occurs.
>  brain
>
> bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@gmail.com <mailto:hareth4m@gmail.com>>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>
>
>> Here you go to subscribe:
>> espeak-ng+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:espeak-ng%2Bsubscribe@groups.io>
>>
>> On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
<mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:
>>> What do I do to subscribe by sending an email, by the way?
>>>  I don't really want to mess around on the web for this.
>>>  brian
>>>
>>> bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@gmail.com <mailto:hareth4m@gmail.com>>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>
>>>
>>>> The developer created a mailing list for that, here is the link:
>>>> https://groups.io/g/espeak-ng
>>>>
>>>> On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
<mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:
>>>>> It would also be good to see a very clear message somewhere
permanent
>>>>> about
>>>>>
>>>>> somewhere we can interact with the current Espeak team and
shall we
>>>>> say,
>>>>>
>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>> be sort of ignored as noise.
>>>>>  Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>> briang1@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org
<mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>>
>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We changed from using eSpeak NG 1.49.1 in 2017.3 to using
1.49.2, but
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> those not using the Next or Master snaps, the RC builds (or
the final
>>>>>> 2017.4 when it comes out) are likely the first time they've
tried it.
>>>>>> So,
>>>>>> as Brian guessed, it's likely that the issues here are not
specific
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> RC as such, but to the change in eSpeak version, since the
RCs are a
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> more widely distributed.  It would be good to get
confirmation from
>>>>>> Marco
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Brian's Mail list account via
>>>>>> Groups.Io
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
<mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got the impressing it was RCs in this series actually.
>>>>>>> I have certainly noticed some strangenesses in Espeak on
recent
>>>>>>> snapshots
>>>>>>> since the last two updates of espeak NG, none for the better
>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>> in English hence my work around mentioned in my reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess the most noticable is the way it says the word for
in some
>>>>>>> circumstances, making it into fur.  Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>>>> briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>, putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <
>>>>>>> antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it
<mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>>
>>>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 2:49 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your subject line refers to the new RC version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this problem something new in the latest RC version
and did not
>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> earlier (RC or otherwise) versions, or does the same
problem also
>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> older (especially standard release) versions of NVDA?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday 04 December 2017 at 11:43:33, Marco Oros wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the first, where can I inform about this thing of NVDA
>>>>>>>>> misstakes
>>>>>>>>> of,
>>>>>>>>> for example Espeak NG?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because I have noticed, that new Mandarin Chinese is badly
>>>>>>>>> pronounced
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> NVDA in that way, that syllable and some kind of number.
Maybe,
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> problem of Espeak NG, but I am not shure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nextly, arabic letter meem is pronounced in Espeak, like
meetar,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> think, that It is incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where can I issued those things?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank You.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marco Oros
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> "If I've told you once, I've told you a million times - stop
>>>>>>>> exaggerating!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                            Please reply to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> list;
>>>>>>>>                                  please
>>>>>>>> *don't*
>>>>>>>> CC
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>>> available:
>>>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>>>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org <http://www.al-islam.org>






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi can you send A cirect link to this add on?




On 12/7/2017 3:23 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:

If you want a much easier possibility to use these navigation modes, please install the addon objpad from

www.addons.nvda-project.org

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Christopher-Mark Gilland
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 18:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Gene,

 

You bring up something which poses a question I've had for a while now.

 

Is there really any advantage to using screen review over object nav, or vice versa?

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

There is no setting to use the equivalent of the JAWS cursor with standard movement keys such as up and down arrow.  There is an equivalent to the JAWS cursor, screen review and you navigate mostly using the numpad in that mode.  It's somewhat similar to Window-eyes in that you can still use the arrow keys on the main keyboard and the main navigation commands for screen review are on the numpad.  This is for the desktop layout.  I don't know what the navigation commands are for the laptop layout. 

 

After using screen review, you should return to object navigation.  If you do, certain review commands you may want to use won't work correctly. For example I don't like using the read current line command NVDA uses.  I use numpad 8 which reads the current object, which acts the same as read current line.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

I started using NVDA recently, and I really was surprised at how similar the default keyboard layout is to that of JAWS. I’m sure this wasn’t done by accident. The only thing is, that navigation and focus does work a little differently. And of ourse, ther’es no “JAWS cursor”, but that particular JFW feature is growing less and less useful as times goes on (though I still use it a fair bit in certain older applications that don’t have screen-reader support built in or any add-ons).

 

NVDA’s web support is great, and while I happen to only have Office 2010 on this Windows 10 machine, Outlook and Word both function pretty much as well as they do with JFW. Others have reported issues with office 2016/365, but, well, this isn’t unique to nVDA users so far as I can tell.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: December 7, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS User Looking for Guidance in Getting Started with NVDA.

 

Yes the reading navigation keys.

I've been using JAWS for 20+ years. It's like my fingers have a mind of their own. Will be very difficult to change my habits from wanting to use the numpad keys for navigation.

Will definitely take some time.

At 11:27 PM 12/6/2017, you wrote:

Hi


Do you mean by keyboard navigation the usual?


Like using the arrow keys tab etc etc.


You would find it quite easy to pick up.


Depending if you install nvda to your pc you will have the choice of the desktop layout or a lap top layout for your keyboard.


If you install nvda to your pc it is the alt key + ctrl key + letter N to start nvda.

To get into your preferences is the nvda key + the letter N

To quit your copy of nvda is the nvda key + the letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key or the caps lock key. You would use one of the with a key to turn off nvda. for example if the insert key is chosen you would use the insert key + letter Q to turn off nvda.


NVDA comes default with the e speak synth but you can use other free or paid synths.


The synth you are talking about is a commercial one and can come as a add on or a sapi 5 version  at a cost.


There are keys combo that are simular to jaws and plus you can change them if needed.

The following link may help you to answer some of your questions at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ

Gene nz




On 12/7/2017 3:41 PM, Kenny wrote:

Hello,

I'm a current user of the latest build of JAWS 2018. Using Eloquence as my software synth.

Well the time has come that I can no longer afford to pay the Freedom Scientific SMA JAWS upgrades (Been using JAWS for over 20 years), so I'm turning to NVDA.

My first two questions:

Does NVDA use a keyboard navigation system similar to JAWS? If not, is there a way I can configure it to work this way?

Also can I configure NVDA to use the Eloquence module currently installed on my PC (Thanks to JAWS?) If not, is there a NVDA software synth available that's just as good to use?

Thanks for any help.


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-- 

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Re: problems with nvda 2017-4 the new update?

 

i forgot to say, i dont use nvda 2017.4 and dont have such problem
using previous versions.

On 12/8/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
i dont have this problem using nvda and firefox.
i just use google and navigation by heading for me works fine.

On 12/8/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Rusty,

Welcome to the group!

If you've just updated NVDA, can I recommend rebooting the computer
please? Normally you shouldn't necessarily need to, but we've seen a few
reports of various random problems this time around after people update
NVDA and before rebooting the computer.

Do advise if it still happens after that (and particularly then, which
browser you are using).

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi folks, I just updated to the latest NVDA and I'm having some issues
but I'm not sure if it's user error.

Navigating by headings on google and amazon seems to be goofed up.
Yesterday it was fine, today, after the update there seems to be a
problem.

Is any one else having difficulty?

I just went to the NVDA page to find this email list, and navigating
by headings on that page is no problem. Was there a change at Google
or amazon, or an issue with NVDA or theoretically a problem with my
pc?



Thanks!
Rusty




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: problems with nvda 2017-4 the new update?

 

hi.
i dont have this problem using nvda and firefox.
i just use google and navigation by heading for me works fine.

On 12/8/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Rusty,

Welcome to the group!

If you've just updated NVDA, can I recommend rebooting the computer
please? Normally you shouldn't necessarily need to, but we've seen a few
reports of various random problems this time around after people update
NVDA and before rebooting the computer.

Do advise if it still happens after that (and particularly then, which
browser you are using).

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi folks, I just updated to the latest NVDA and I'm having some issues
but I'm not sure if it's user error.

Navigating by headings on google and amazon seems to be goofed up.
Yesterday it was fine, today, after the update there seems to be a
problem.

Is any one else having difficulty?

I just went to the NVDA page to find this email list, and navigating
by headings on that page is no problem. Was there a change at Google
or amazon, or an issue with NVDA or theoretically a problem with my
pc?



Thanks!
Rusty




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: odd behavoior with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

One more thing to ask - have you rebooted since you updated?  A few people have reported various random problems after updating which seem to be fixed by rebooting.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:

It sounds to me like your shift key is locked and you mark the cells automatically by just pressing the Arrow keys.

Try to type something in MS Word. Are the letters capitals? Or are they small letters?

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Jessica D
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 17:19
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] odd behavoior with NVDA

 

Hi,

I was trying to type in excel.

also, NVDA says, “rows a1 through E1 selected.”

this makes it nearly impossible for me to create the data I want.

 

what I want is a sheet that shows where I looked up a price, and what that price was.

 

How can I accomplish this seemingly easy rtask?

 

On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

The description of the problem is that NVDA will become staticy. That isn't expected behavior from background processes such as antivirus scans.  Also, this clearly didn't happen before the update.  What is implied by the context of the question is that this is a new behavior that wasn't experienced before with NVDA.  That Implies a problem that, if more people report it, may be a bug.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 9:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] odd behavoior with NVDA

 

What application?I've noticed this a bit, but its not something that has
changed. I'd always assumed background anti virus scans etc.
 If you are finding that you are losing just the voice and you are using
espeak then temproraly use another synth to see if it continuees, in the
mean time more details of haw when and in what is really needed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] odd behavoior with NVDA


Hi,
After installing NVDA 2017.4 last night, I’m experiencing odd behavior.

NVDA will become staticy while typing.
What can I do?



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



 




--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

David Moore
 

Thanks a lot, Gene! I really appreciate it.

I did what you said, and that definitely fixed it!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

Turn off automatic language switching in NVDA.  the language is english.  There is an HTML tag in the messages that tells NVDA that a different language is being used.  it's speaking English as though it were that other language.  Either you can turn off the feature in NVDA or you can read mail as plain text.

 

The setting is in the voice settings dialog in preferences.  The shortcut command is control NVDA key v.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:02 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

Hi!

I just wanted you to know, that I hear many messages in this thread in a language I do not understand.

Are you typing in another language? NVDA is reading your messages in a different language to me LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

Could you please copy a link here where you have suche comments with many levels?

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Tony Malykh
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 20:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

Gene, I'm sorry I missed your question. I tried deducing the level of comment by its contents, but I found it was too hard. Some posts have several hundreds of comments. Every top level comment might have a tree of a few dozen replies. And depending on the topic of the post, sometimes it is not clear at all whether the comment is a top level one or a reply. Also my brain gets tired of trying to deduce the level of the comment. Now since I get the offset of a comment directly, it is going to be much easier for my brain, since I would need to listen and only compare the number (offset being equal to the top-level comment offset).

 

Tony

 

On 12/6/2017 4:39 PM, Gene wrote:

I ask a question in this message and make a few comments but the second half of the message discusses what might be a related command, at least in terms of how you would program it.  Perhaps if there is enough interest on the list, the developers will work on it soon. 

 

The review cursor by default if you are using object navigation follows the system cursor.  But what I'm saying is if you only want to read the top level comments, then don't you have to move to every comment and measure the distance?  My question is how that is better than reading a few words of each comment to see if you want to continue.  But maybe you have to read enough of each comment that it is slower enough to matter. 

 

Evidently, the speak position command has more functions than in the old version of NVDA I use.  So you are correct that to hear the numbers, you have to issue the command twice.

Also, the idea of being able to jump to the next occurrence of text starting a certain point from the left of the screen might be related to another feature NVDA should have.  If you have a page with two or three columns or more and you want to only read one column, you should be able to define a start point and an end point farther to the right.  Then you could read and only have that defineed column read.  ASAP had a read column feature in JAWS.  I seldo had to use it but I would imagine it was very useful to some people,  Consider one use with NVDA:

Suppose you got a poorly formatted PDF document where pages didn't decolumnize properly.  Rather than have decolumnization occur, if you could just have the page recognized with no decolumnization and set the columns yourself, you might be able to read such documents. 

 

Genea distance from the left of the screen
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:22 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

I am an NVDA newbie, so I don't know how or why this works, but it works for me. I tried it on both Reddit and Hacker News in Google Chrome and Firefox. I don't have to press any extra buttons to route the review cursor, perhaps the review cursor just follows the system cursor in my case.

 

After your email I tried pressing Insert+Delete only once, and it indeed speaks the horizontal offset of current object in (I assume) pixels. After pressing it twice it speaks the horizontal offset in percentage of the screen width. So either way can be used.

 

I like your idea about NVDA addon that would let you jump between paragraphs with the same offset. I might try to write such a plugin myself when I have some free time.

 

Tony

 

 

On 12/6/2017 3:33 PM, Gene wrote:

I haven't tried this but I don't see how using the cursor location feature would help much.  You would still have to move to the beginning of each comment and check the distance.  If that would save you time in not having to read any of the comment, I don't know but having to move to the next comment and check the distance of each comment would seem to be cumbersome and perhaps not much easier than reading a bit of each comment to see if it’s a reply.  but those who try this may explain that I'm wrong and why. 

 

Perhaps what we need, if this can be done, is a feature or a plugin you can set to look for text that starts a certain distance from the left side of the screen and then be able to jump to the next text that starts at the same number of pixels from the left of the screen.  You could issue a next and a back command to move to these items.  So the idea may lead to a good solution if such a feature can be developed.

 

By the way, you don't have to issue the command twice.  It does the same thing if issued once or more times.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

I've been playing with NVDA and just discovered a simple solution: press
Insert + Numpad Delete twice (Report review cursor location) and it will
tell you the distance from the left edge of the screen. The greater the
distance - the deeper the level of the comment.


I think in theory something can be done on the client side to make the
comments more readable for screenreader users.. You can write a browser
plugin that would modify a page to include the level of the comment
explicitly for example. But this is only in theory: my knowledge of
javascript/HTML/CSS is too poor to write it myself.


Tony





On 12/6/2017 11:29 AM, Bill Dengler wrote:
> I’m interested in this as well, but suspect it requires changes on the site’s end.
>
> Bill
>
>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Many websites have tree-like structure of comments. For
>> example, reddit, hacker news, and probably a lot more websites are
>> like this. Sometimes I would like to read some comments, but for
>> example I would like to read only the top-level comments, and not the
>> deeper levels, because that would be the replies to the top-level
>> comments, and they are typically not as interesting. Is there any way
>> to achieve this with NVDA?
>>
>> So, for example, I would like to have a key combination to jump to the
>> next same level comment. Right now I can only jump to the next comment
>> of any level by searching a keyword ("up vote" or something, that
>> appears next to every comment), and then I'd have to deduce in my mind
>> what level comment is this. It is very tedious to browse comments this way.
>>
>> Another way that might help me would be to figure out the level of the
>> current comment. At least I'd be able to move down through the
>> comments without reading them and without trying to deduce its level
>> from the contents.
>>
>> I can use Firefox, Google Chrome and IE, so I'd be happy to find a solution that works in any of these browsers.
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated!
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

 

 

 

 


Re: Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

Tony Malykh
 

Here are some examples:

200+ comments:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14477851


90+ comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/7gtm54/the_best_books_of_2017_megalist/


8000+ comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/34m5n6/reddit_what_are_some_must_read_books/


Although these days reddit is smart enough to collapse deep branches of replies, it still often shows second-level comments.


Tony





On 12/7/2017 1:33 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:

Could you please copy a link here where you have suche comments with many levels?

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Tony Malykh
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 20:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

Gene, I'm sorry I missed your question. I tried deducing the level of comment by its contents, but I found it was too hard. Some posts have several hundreds of comments. Every top level comment might have a tree of a few dozen replies. And depending on the topic of the post, sometimes it is not clear at all whether the comment is a top level one or a reply. Also my brain gets tired of trying to deduce the level of the comment. Now since I get the offset of a comment directly, it is going to be much easier for my brain, since I would need to listen and only compare the number (offset being equal to the top-level comment offset).

 

Tony

 

On 12/6/2017 4:39 PM, Gene wrote:

I ask a question in this message and make a few comments but the second half of the message discusses what might be a related command, at least in terms of how you would program it.  Perhaps if there is enough interest on the list, the developers will work on it soon. 

 

The review cursor by default if you are using object navigation follows the system cursor.  But what I'm saying is if you only want to read the top level comments, then don't you have to move to every comment and measure the distance?  My question is how that is better than reading a few words of each comment to see if you want to continue.  But maybe you have to read enough of each comment that it is slower enough to matter. 

 

Evidently, the speak position command has more functions than in the old version of NVDA I use.  So you are correct that to hear the numbers, you have to issue the command twice.

Also, the idea of being able to jump to the next occurrence of text starting a certain point from the left of the screen might be related to another feature NVDA should have.  If you have a page with two or three columns or more and you want to only read one column, you should be able to define a start point and an end point farther to the right.  Then you could read and only have that defineed column read.  ASAP had a read column feature in JAWS.  I seldo had to use it but I would imagine it was very useful to some people,  Consider one use with NVDA:

Suppose you got a poorly formatted PDF document where pages didn't decolumnize properly.  Rather than have decolumnization occur, if you could just have the page recognized with no decolumnization and set the columns yourself, you might be able to read such documents. 

 

Genea distance from the left of the screen
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh

Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:22 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

I am an NVDA newbie, so I don't know how or why this works, but it works for me. I tried it on both Reddit and Hacker News in Google Chrome and Firefox. I don't have to press any extra buttons to route the review cursor, perhaps the review cursor just follows the system cursor in my case.

 

After your email I tried pressing Insert+Delete only once, and it indeed speaks the horizontal offset of current object in (I assume) pixels. After pressing it twice it speaks the horizontal offset in percentage of the screen width. So either way can be used.

 

I like your idea about NVDA addon that would let you jump between paragraphs with the same offset. I might try to write such a plugin myself when I have some free time.

 

Tony

 

 

On 12/6/2017 3:33 PM, Gene wrote:

I haven't tried this but I don't see how using the cursor location feature would help much.  You would still have to move to the beginning of each comment and check the distance.  If that would save you time in not having to read any of the comment, I don't know but having to move to the next comment and check the distance of each comment would seem to be cumbersome and perhaps not much easier than reading a bit of each comment to see if it’s a reply.  but those who try this may explain that I'm wrong and why. 

 

Perhaps what we need, if this can be done, is a feature or a plugin you can set to look for text that starts a certain distance from the left side of the screen and then be able to jump to the next text that starts at the same number of pixels from the left of the screen.  You could issue a next and a back command to move to these items.  So the idea may lead to a good solution if such a feature can be developed.

 

By the way, you don't have to issue the command twice.  It does the same thing if issued once or more times.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh

Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

I've been playing with NVDA and just discovered a simple solution: press
Insert + Numpad Delete twice (Report review cursor location) and it will
tell you the distance from the left edge of the screen. The greater the
distance - the deeper the level of the comment.


I think in theory something can be done on the client side to make the
comments more readable for screenreader users.. You can write a browser
plugin that would modify a page to include the level of the comment
explicitly for example. But this is only in theory: my knowledge of
javascript/HTML/CSS is too poor to write it myself.


Tony





On 12/6/2017 11:29 AM, Bill Dengler wrote:
> I’m interested in this as well, but suspect it requires changes on the site’s end.
>
> Bill
>
>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Many websites have tree-like structure of comments. For
>> example, reddit, hacker news, and probably a lot more websites are
>> like this. Sometimes I would like to read some comments, but for
>> example I would like to read only the top-level comments, and not the
>> deeper levels, because that would be the replies to the top-level
>> comments, and they are typically not as interesting. Is there any way
>> to achieve this with NVDA?
>>
>> So, for example, I would like to have a key combination to jump to the
>> next same level comment. Right now I can only jump to the next comment
>> of any level by searching a keyword ("up vote" or something, that
>> appears next to every comment), and then I'd have to deduce in my mind
>> what level comment is this. It is very tedious to browse comments this way.
>>
>> Another way that might help me would be to figure out the level of the
>> current comment. At least I'd be able to move down through the
>> comments without reading them and without trying to deduce its level
>> from the contents.
>>
>> I can use Firefox, Google Chrome and IE, so I'd be happy to find a solution that works in any of these browsers.
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated!
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


 

 



Re: Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

Gene
 

Turn off automatic language switching in NVDA.  the language is english.  There is an HTML tag in the messages that tells NVDA that a different language is being used.  it's speaking English as though it were that other language.  Either you can turn off the feature in NVDA or you can read mail as plain text.
 
The setting is in the voice settings dialog in preferences.  The shortcut command is control NVDA key v.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

Hi!

I just wanted you to know, that I hear many messages in this thread in a language I do not understand.

Are you typing in another language? NVDA is reading your messages in a different language to me LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

Could you please copy a link here where you have suche comments with many levels?

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Tony Malykh
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 20:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

Gene, I'm sorry I missed your question. I tried deducing the level of comment by its contents, but I found it was too hard. Some posts have several hundreds of comments. Every top level comment might have a tree of a few dozen replies. And depending on the topic of the post, sometimes it is not clear at all whether the comment is a top level one or a reply. Also my brain gets tired of trying to deduce the level of the comment. Now since I get the offset of a comment directly, it is going to be much easier for my brain, since I would need to listen and only compare the number (offset being equal to the top-level comment offset).

 

Tony

 

On 12/6/2017 4:39 PM, Gene wrote:

I ask a question in this message and make a few comments but the second half of the message discusses what might be a related command, at least in terms of how you would program it.  Perhaps if there is enough interest on the list, the developers will work on it soon. 

 

The review cursor by default if you are using object navigation follows the system cursor.  But what I'm saying is if you only want to read the top level comments, then don't you have to move to every comment and measure the distance?  My question is how that is better than reading a few words of each comment to see if you want to continue.  But maybe you have to read enough of each comment that it is slower enough to matter. 

 

Evidently, the speak position command has more functions than in the old version of NVDA I use.  So you are correct that to hear the numbers, you have to issue the command twice.

Also, the idea of being able to jump to the next occurrence of text starting a certain point from the left of the screen might be related to another feature NVDA should have.  If you have a page with two or three columns or more and you want to only read one column, you should be able to define a start point and an end point farther to the right.  Then you could read and only have that defineed column read.  ASAP had a read column feature in JAWS.  I seldo had to use it but I would imagine it was very useful to some people,  Consider one use with NVDA:

Suppose you got a poorly formatted PDF document where pages didn't decolumnize properly.  Rather than have decolumnization occur, if you could just have the page recognized with no decolumnization and set the columns yourself, you might be able to read such documents. 

 

Genea distance from the left of the screen
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh

Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:22 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

I am an NVDA newbie, so I don't know how or why this works, but it works for me. I tried it on both Reddit and Hacker News in Google Chrome and Firefox. I don't have to press any extra buttons to route the review cursor, perhaps the review cursor just follows the system cursor in my case.

 

After your email I tried pressing Insert+Delete only once, and it indeed speaks the horizontal offset of current object in (I assume) pixels. After pressing it twice it speaks the horizontal offset in percentage of the screen width. So either way can be used.

 

I like your idea about NVDA addon that would let you jump between paragraphs with the same offset. I might try to write such a plugin myself when I have some free time.

 

Tony

 

 

On 12/6/2017 3:33 PM, Gene wrote:

I haven't tried this but I don't see how using the cursor location feature would help much.  You would still have to move to the beginning of each comment and check the distance.  If that would save you time in not having to read any of the comment, I don't know but having to move to the next comment and check the distance of each comment would seem to be cumbersome and perhaps not much easier than reading a bit of each comment to see if it’s a reply.  but those who try this may explain that I'm wrong and why. 

 

Perhaps what we need, if this can be done, is a feature or a plugin you can set to look for text that starts a certain distance from the left side of the screen and then be able to jump to the next text that starts at the same number of pixels from the left of the screen.  You could issue a next and a back command to move to these items.  So the idea may lead to a good solution if such a feature can be developed.

 

By the way, you don't have to issue the command twice.  It does the same thing if issued once or more times.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh

Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

I've been playing with NVDA and just discovered a simple solution: press
Insert + Numpad Delete twice (Report review cursor location) and it will
tell you the distance from the left edge of the screen. The greater the
distance - the deeper the level of the comment.


I think in theory something can be done on the client side to make the
comments more readable for screenreader users.. You can write a browser
plugin that would modify a page to include the level of the comment
explicitly for example. But this is only in theory: my knowledge of
javascript/HTML/CSS is too poor to write it myself.


Tony





On 12/6/2017 11:29 AM, Bill Dengler wrote:
> I’m interested in this as well, but suspect it requires changes on the site’s end.
>
> Bill
>
>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Many websites have tree-like structure of comments. For
>> example, reddit, hacker news, and probably a lot more websites are
>> like this. Sometimes I would like to read some comments, but for
>> example I would like to read only the top-level comments, and not the
>> deeper levels, because that would be the replies to the top-level
>> comments, and they are typically not as interesting. Is there any way
>> to achieve this with NVDA?
>>
>> So, for example, I would like to have a key combination to jump to the
>> next same level comment. Right now I can only jump to the next comment
>> of any level by searching a keyword ("up vote" or something, that
>> appears next to every comment), and then I'd have to deduce in my mind
>> what level comment is this. It is very tedious to browse comments this way.
>>
>> Another way that might help me would be to figure out the level of the
>> current comment. At least I'd be able to move down through the
>> comments without reading them and without trying to deduce its level
>> from the contents.
>>
>> I can use Firefox, Google Chrome and IE, so I'd be happy to find a solution that works in any of these browsers.
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated!
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

 

 

 


Re: problems with nvda 2017-4 the new update?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Rusty,

Welcome to the group!

If you've just updated NVDA, can I recommend rebooting the computer please?  Normally you shouldn't necessarily need to, but we've seen a few reports of various random problems this time around after people update NVDA and before rebooting the computer.

Do advise if it still happens after that (and particularly then, which browser you are using).

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
Hi folks, I just updated to the latest NVDA and I'm having some issues
but I'm not sure if it's user error.

Navigating by headings on google and amazon seems to be goofed up.
Yesterday it was fine, today, after the update there seems to be a
problem.

Is any one else having difficulty?

I just went to the NVDA page to find this email list, and navigating
by headings on that page is no problem. Was there a change at Google
or amazon, or an issue with NVDA or theoretically a problem with my
pc?



Thanks!
Rusty






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Re: updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the update to finish

Quentin Christensen
 

We've seen a couple of issues with updating - both the never completing update like this, and also random errors after updating NVDA and before restarting the PC.  In both cases, try restarting to fix it, but also in both cases, if you have a log which has captured anything useful about it, feel free to send it through to me.  While getting people to reboot is a relatively easy fix, it would still be nice to get to the bottom of it and work out why it's happening for some users.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 6:41 AM, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
I like to run the next build snap shots or the master builds.

On 12/7/17, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> I have UAC turned off completely , have since the windows 7 days. so that
> was not the case. When I restarted it helped. dunno what happened there but
> there yah go.
>
>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 3:59 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> I had this with the 2017.4 release and it turned out to be a UAC window
>> in
>> the background waiting for permission to allow the install.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah
>> k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: 7 December 2017 05:56
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the
>> update to finish
>>
>> I think I have a very broken nvda update. I followed the directions. The
>> update downloaded, however  I still hear the beeps saying it's updating
>> etc
>> et etc. I tried to close out but no joy. Narrator is not telling me much
>> either. Running nvda latest snap on windows 10 pro..
>>
>> Take care all.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: question re nvaccess site and training materials

Mary Otten
 

I used NVDA search, nvda, control f, and my nvda key in this instance is the number pad insert, but doubt that matters.


Mary


On 12/7/2017 6:11 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
When you used search, did you use NVDA's search (NVDA+control+f) or Firefox's search (control+f)?  Firefox's search works visually, but doesn't move the focus for NVDA.  I can find the shop link fine with NVDA's search in Firefox.  Re arrowing around, that worked exactly the same in IE as for Firefox, Chrome and Edge - that is, it jumps straight from "Home" to "donate".

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 5:40 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know why search didn't find it.  I didn't test it with a recent NVDA version so others would have to test it, but with an old version, it was found properly.  Be sure you aren't' putting anything extraneous in the search such as a space.  also use alt home before you do the search to make sure you are at the top of the page.  At times, either because you used the page previously or perhaps for some other reason, you may not be at the top of the page.  to avoid any possibility of this problem, I often do control home before doing a search even if it shouldn't be necessary.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question re nvaccess site and training materials

Ok, I was wrong about FireFox and getting to the shop link. Tabbing did get me there. Searching did not, and of course, arrowing doesn't either, which is something I think needs attention, but that, I guess is a different question. Why would arrowing work in IE but not in FF? I'm not sure why it didn't work before; maybe I gave up too soon on it and just went for search, which still isn't working here to find that particular link.


Mary


On 12/6/2017 4:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Mary,

How are you moving around the site?

If you press down arrow from the top of the page, it will move to the "home" link, and from there directly to the "donate" button (skipping the rest of the navigation bar, which contains the shop link).  If you press TAB, K, or use the elements list dialog, the "shop" link should be after, Home, About, Download, Get Help, Services and Support Us.

That behaviour (for me) is consistent across Firefox (ESR), Chrome, Internet Explorer and Edge.

For your other question, this eBook version of the training module includes the following formats:
.epub: An electronic book format readable in many standalone book readers as well as book reading apps on smartphones and computers.
.html: A web page readable in any web browser
.docx: A Microsoft Word file
.kfx: Used in Amazon Kindle readers and the Kindle app for PC (version 1.19 or later required)

(That information is on the individual page for each module, the main shop page just has a shorter blurb for each item).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
I suppose this is mostly directed at Quenton. My experience with the access site is that I absolutely can't get to the "shop" link using firefox esr version, but with IE11, it is easy. Why might that be? I mean, I can't even find it with the find command when using ff.


also, with regard to the  ebooks for Word and the basic training materials, what format are those in? I didn't see that mentioned on the training materials page.


Thanks.


Mary







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Re: Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, quentin,

Thanks for diligent for responding and giving heads up into this matter. However, I am thinking if we could be switch back to an old eSpeak rather I am only suggesting what's best instead of making changes or update on our synthesis. in this way could fix or resolve the issue cause I am afraid to update and installed again for not letting our setup will be messed up. For me, it is more feasible to use the old eSpeak instead. For the meantime, I am just using my portable copy of the old nvda into my flash drive which happened works well to do my task. I am bit concern here cause some of us is heavily reliable with use of nvda as their screen reader into our machine. Apologize for making this possible suggestion here.


Robert Mendoza


On 12/8/2017 9:22 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Dear Zahra,

Yes, there seem to be problems with a number of languages with eSpeak NG at the moment.  Part of the problem for us is that we've been upgrading the version of eSpeak NG we use to try and overcome other problems.  So clearly we haven't found the best setup yet...

Actually I just had a bit of a browse, for those who liked the old eSpeak, you can download a version of eSpeak (not NG) compiled as a SAPI 5 voice here: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/download.html

I wonder if that is worth looking at for those experiencing problems with the current eSpeak NG tts?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:23 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin,

may i request the problem hear?
iranian people reported problem with espeak ng new version.
they told that espeak voice became more robatic and unpleasant and
also many words which spoked previously correctly, now espeak ng says
them wrong!
we put punctuation level none and nvda speaks some of them!
even we cant select to use farsi with english US or english Uk!
hope that someone help the iranian users of new espeak ng too.
God bless you all!

On 12/6/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
> Thanks I've sent off an email to see what occurs.
>  brain
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>
>
>> Here you go to subscribe:
>> espeak-ng+subscribe@groups.io
>>
>> On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>>> What do I do to subscribe by sending an email, by the way?
>>>  I don't really want to mess around on the web for this.
>>>  brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>
>>>
>>>> The developer created a mailing list for that, here is the link:
>>>> https://groups.io/g/espeak-ng
>>>>
>>>> On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>>>>> It would also be good to see a very clear message somewhere permanent
>>>>> about
>>>>>
>>>>> somewhere we can interact with the current Espeak team and shall we
>>>>> say,
>>>>>
>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>> be sort of ignored as noise.
>>>>>  Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We changed from using eSpeak NG 1.49.1 in 2017.3 to using 1.49.2, but
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> those not using the Next or Master snaps, the RC builds (or the final
>>>>>> 2017.4 when it comes out) are likely the first time they've tried it.
>>>>>> So,
>>>>>> as Brian guessed, it's likely that the issues here are not specific
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> RC as such, but to the change in eSpeak version, since the RCs are a
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> more widely distributed.  It would be good to get confirmation from
>>>>>> Marco
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Brian's Mail list account via
>>>>>> Groups.Io
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got the impressing it was RCs in this series actually.
>>>>>>> I have certainly noticed some strangenesses in Espeak on recent
>>>>>>> snapshots
>>>>>>> since the last two updates of espeak NG, none for the better
>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>> in English hence my work around mentioned in my reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess the most noticable is the way it says the word for in some
>>>>>>> circumstances, making it into fur.  Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <
>>>>>>> antony.stone@....it>
>>>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 2:49 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your subject line refers to the new RC version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this problem something new in the latest RC version and did not
>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> earlier (RC or otherwise) versions, or does the same problem also
>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> older (especially standard release) versions of NVDA?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday 04 December 2017 at 11:43:33, Marco Oros wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the first, where can I inform about this thing of NVDA
>>>>>>>>> misstakes
>>>>>>>>> of,
>>>>>>>>> for example Espeak NG?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because I have noticed, that new Mandarin Chinese is badly
>>>>>>>>> pronounced
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> NVDA in that way, that syllable and some kind of number. Maybe,
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> problem of Espeak NG, but I am not shure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nextly, arabic letter meem is pronounced in Espeak, like meetar,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> think, that It is incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where can I issued those things?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank You.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marco Oros
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> "If I've told you once, I've told you a million times - stop
>>>>>>>> exaggerating!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                                   Please reply to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> list;
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>>>>>>>> *don't*
>>>>>>>> CC
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> available:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: question re nvaccess site and training materials

Quentin Christensen
 

When you used search, did you use NVDA's search (NVDA+control+f) or Firefox's search (control+f)?  Firefox's search works visually, but doesn't move the focus for NVDA.  I can find the shop link fine with NVDA's search in Firefox.  Re arrowing around, that worked exactly the same in IE as for Firefox, Chrome and Edge - that is, it jumps straight from "Home" to "donate".

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 5:40 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know why search didn't find it.  I didn't test it with a recent NVDA version so others would have to test it, but with an old version, it was found properly.  Be sure you aren't' putting anything extraneous in the search such as a space.  also use alt home before you do the search to make sure you are at the top of the page.  At times, either because you used the page previously or perhaps for some other reason, you may not be at the top of the page.  to avoid any possibility of this problem, I often do control home before doing a search even if it shouldn't be necessary.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question re nvaccess site and training materials

Ok, I was wrong about FireFox and getting to the shop link. Tabbing did get me there. Searching did not, and of course, arrowing doesn't either, which is something I think needs attention, but that, I guess is a different question. Why would arrowing work in IE but not in FF? I'm not sure why it didn't work before; maybe I gave up too soon on it and just went for search, which still isn't working here to find that particular link.


Mary


On 12/6/2017 4:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Mary,

How are you moving around the site?

If you press down arrow from the top of the page, it will move to the "home" link, and from there directly to the "donate" button (skipping the rest of the navigation bar, which contains the shop link).  If you press TAB, K, or use the elements list dialog, the "shop" link should be after, Home, About, Download, Get Help, Services and Support Us.

That behaviour (for me) is consistent across Firefox (ESR), Chrome, Internet Explorer and Edge.

For your other question, this eBook version of the training module includes the following formats:
.epub: An electronic book format readable in many standalone book readers as well as book reading apps on smartphones and computers.
.html: A web page readable in any web browser
.docx: A Microsoft Word file
.kfx: Used in Amazon Kindle readers and the Kindle app for PC (version 1.19 or later required)

(That information is on the individual page for each module, the main shop page just has a shorter blurb for each item).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
I suppose this is mostly directed at Quenton. My experience with the access site is that I absolutely can't get to the "shop" link using firefox esr version, but with IE11, it is easy. Why might that be? I mean, I can't even find it with the find command when using ff.


also, with regard to the  ebooks for Word and the basic training materials, what format are those in? I didn't see that mentioned on the training materials page.


Thanks.


Mary







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Re: ocr function in nvda.

Mary Otten
 

It is not a free app in the sense that you get to keep using it for free. You will get a certain number of trial scans, and then you have to buy it if you want to keep using it.


Mary

On 12/7/2017 5:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Follow the link - it says "free".

That seems clear to me.

Antony.

On Friday 08 December 2017 at 02:08:42, Karim Lakhani wrote:

One has to pay for this app.?
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Nevzat Adil
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr function in nvda.

You can get KNFB Reader from here:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/knfb-reader-enterprise/9nblggh5308l
It does a very good job in reading those kinds of image files.
I also have not been able to get NVDA OCR to read image files.
KNFB Reader does the job.

On 12/7/17, Jason Milyo <kb3icc@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah I have the same issue, it says when the PDF is in an image empty
document this document is in another format which the screen reader cant
read, and when you try to OCR it it only reads part of the document,
however when the document isn't in an image format it reads the PDF fine.


Re: ocr function in nvda.

Antony Stone
 

Follow the link - it says "free".

That seems clear to me.

Antony.

On Friday 08 December 2017 at 02:08:42, Karim Lakhani wrote:

One has to pay for this app.?
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Nevzat Adil
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr function in nvda.

You can get KNFB Reader from here:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/knfb-reader-enterprise/9nblggh5308l
It does a very good job in reading those kinds of image files.
I also have not been able to get NVDA OCR to read image files.
KNFB Reader does the job.

On 12/7/17, Jason Milyo <kb3icc@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah I have the same issue, it says when the PDF is in an image empty
document this document is in another format which the screen reader cant
read, and when you try to OCR it it only reads part of the document,
however when the document isn't in an image format it reads the PDF fine.
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Re: Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version

Quentin Christensen
 

Dear Zahra,

Yes, there seem to be problems with a number of languages with eSpeak NG at the moment.  Part of the problem for us is that we've been upgrading the version of eSpeak NG we use to try and overcome other problems.  So clearly we haven't found the best setup yet...

Actually I just had a bit of a browse, for those who liked the old eSpeak, you can download a version of eSpeak (not NG) compiled as a SAPI 5 voice here: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/download.html

I wonder if that is worth looking at for those experiencing problems with the current eSpeak NG tts?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:23 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin,

may i request the problem hear?
iranian people reported problem with espeak ng new version.
they told that espeak voice became more robatic and unpleasant and
also many words which spoked previously correctly, now espeak ng says
them wrong!
we put punctuation level none and nvda speaks some of them!
even we cant select to use farsi with english US or english Uk!
hope that someone help the iranian users of new espeak ng too.
God bless you all!

On 12/6/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
> Thanks I've sent off an email to see what occurs.
>  brain
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>
>
>> Here you go to subscribe:
>> espeak-ng+subscribe@groups.io
>>
>> On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>>> What do I do to subscribe by sending an email, by the way?
>>>  I don't really want to mess around on the web for this.
>>>  brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>
>>>
>>>> The developer created a mailing list for that, here is the link:
>>>> https://groups.io/g/espeak-ng
>>>>
>>>> On 12/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>>>>> It would also be good to see a very clear message somewhere permanent
>>>>> about
>>>>>
>>>>> somewhere we can interact with the current Espeak team and shall we
>>>>> say,
>>>>>
>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>> be sort of ignored as noise.
>>>>>  Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We changed from using eSpeak NG 1.49.1 in 2017.3 to using 1.49.2, but
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> those not using the Next or Master snaps, the RC builds (or the final
>>>>>> 2017.4 when it comes out) are likely the first time they've tried it.
>>>>>> So,
>>>>>> as Brian guessed, it's likely that the issues here are not specific
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> RC as such, but to the change in eSpeak version, since the RCs are a
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> more widely distributed.  It would be good to get confirmation from
>>>>>> Marco
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Brian's Mail list account via
>>>>>> Groups.Io
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got the impressing it was RCs in this series actually.
>>>>>>> I have certainly noticed some strangenesses in Espeak on recent
>>>>>>> snapshots
>>>>>>> since the last two updates of espeak NG, none for the better
>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>> in English hence my work around mentioned in my reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess the most noticable is the way it says the word for in some
>>>>>>> circumstances, making it into fur.  Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <
>>>>>>> antony.stone@....it>
>>>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 2:49 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some misstakes in new rc NVDA version
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your subject line refers to the new RC version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this problem something new in the latest RC version and did not
>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> earlier (RC or otherwise) versions, or does the same problem also
>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> older (especially standard release) versions of NVDA?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday 04 December 2017 at 11:43:33, Marco Oros wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the first, where can I inform about this thing of NVDA
>>>>>>>>> misstakes
>>>>>>>>> of,
>>>>>>>>> for example Espeak NG?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because I have noticed, that new Mandarin Chinese is badly
>>>>>>>>> pronounced
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> NVDA in that way, that syllable and some kind of number. Maybe,
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>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> problem of Espeak NG, but I am not shure.
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>>>>>>>>> Nextly, arabic letter meem is pronounced in Espeak, like meetar,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> think, that It is incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where can I issued those things?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank You.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marco Oros
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Re: ocr function in nvda.

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

One has to pay for this app.?
Thanks.




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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nevzat
Adil
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr function in nvda.

You can get KNFB Reader from here:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/knfb-reader-enterprise/9nblggh5308l
It does a very good job in reading those kinds of image files.
I also have not been able to get NVDA OCR to read image files.
KNFB Reader does the job.

On 12/7/17, Jason Milyo <kb3icc@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah I have the same issue, it says when the PDF is in an image empty
document this document is in another format which the screen reader cant
read, and when you try to OCR it it only reads part of the document,
however
when the document isn't in an image format it reads the PDF fine.

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From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ocr function in nvda.

Sorry I forgot to change the subject line in my last message asking for
help
with a PDF doc.
Hi all,
Does NVDA have a built in OCR feature?
I've got a PDF file which I can't read because it was sent in a PDF
format?
Any suggestions on other ideas?
I've heard jaws has this feature does any one know how well it works?
Thanks.


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Re: Normally, a horrible! idea, but can auto update be shut off?

matthew dyer
 

Chriks,


Go in to genernal prefrences and find the automatically check for updates to NVDA check box and uncheck it and you should be fine.


Matthew




On 12/7/2017 5:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I know I just said it is good to stay as much up to date as possible, I agree, I have a very specific reason for asking this. Given that I have my Win XP desktop still, again, it's not my primary system, no, but, I do use it on seldom occasions.
 
This all said, I know that the directive was made you must have at least SP1 of Win7 to use NVDA 2017.4.
 
Normally on this system, I use JAWS 15, so I haven't had the chance to fire up  NVDA, but, given this fact about 2017.4, I don't want the thing constantly nagging me to update, when it wouldn't be compatible.
 
My guess is, it'll be smart enough to see that it can't update to anything compatible, but, is that the case? Will it nag me every time I load NVDA, or will it know to keep me back on 2017.3, and not offer anything further? If it'll keep checking, then can I somehow in preferences tell it not to? I'd normally highly discourage doing this, but in my unique situation, it might be necessary.
 
Don't worry, I do! have plenty other systems running Windows 10, so it's not like my only Windows machine is way out of date.
 
Chris.


Re: Automatic switch braile output table in NVDA

Antony Stone
 

Is there any indication (for example in the HTML source code) that the change
is occurring?

Can you give an example URL of a website containing multiple languages so we
can see whether there's anything NVDA could pick up on to indicate "oh, it's
German now" or whatever?


Antony.

On Friday 08 December 2017 at 00:52:19, Adriani Botez wrote:

This happens in several text editors and the browser, especially on
websites where you can learn new languages, gramar and ortography.


Best
Adriani
Am 08.12.2017 um 00:16 schrieb Antony Stone:

What application/s are you talking about where this text is displayed?

What information is available to NVDA to tell it what language is being
used at any given point?

I don't see how this could be done automatically, so unless whatever
application (browser? word processor? text editor? other?) you are
using has some way of indicating "language switches to X here" I don't
think NVDA can be expected to reinterpret all on its own.


Antony.

On Friday 08 December 2017 at 00:10:42, adriani.botez wrote:

Dear all,

If I have a text where german and russian words are combined, when i
choose german output table the russian letters are shown as a
combination of signs I cannot understand. On the other hand, if I
switch the tables, the german letters are not being displayed
correctly.

Is there a possibility to tell NVDA to automaically recognize the
language and to choose the right table accordingly? Let's say I would
restrict it to grade 1 or so.

Best
Adriani
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