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Re: NVDA doesn't recognize tables in iTunes

Gene
 

I've seen web sites that must look like tables to a sighted person but that don't have the code that makes them a table.  This sounds like the same sort of thing.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 11:17 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't recognize tables in iTunes

If you search for an album in the store section of iTunes and have the
songs tab focused, you are presented with what appears to be a table,
which contains things like the price and the song title and a button to
preview the song and other stuff I'm forgetting. At the top, there are
titles which are identified as column headings, and the items underneath
are identified as cells. However, NVDA table reading commands, such as
alt control down arrow to go down a given column do not work.      says
it isn't in a table. Why is that?


Mary




Re: Question about converting pdf files to csv

Bill Dengler
 

CSV? Is it just a table, then?
Adobe offers an export PDF service for around $30 per year. Works well.

Bill

On Dec 8, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I need to convert pdf files to csv.
what's the best, and most accessible way to do this?

Thanks,
Jessica


Question about converting pdf files to csv

Jessica D
 

Hi,
I need to convert pdf files to csv.
what's the best, and most accessible way to do this?

Thanks,
Jessica


Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Try the free you tube downloader and converter program.  You can read more about it here.


http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/How%20to%20use%20the%20Free%20YouTube%20Downloader%20program%20with%20NVDA.html


Tony

On 12/4/2017 11:31 AM, Dan Thompson wrote:

Hi All,

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years.  But suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto download into the music folder.    I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.   It seems the new version of this program from  DVDVideoSoft  in the new 4.62 version has become very unaccessible.

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5 build 5-05.  However, now with the new verson nothing downloads automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging itself.  The menus are rather unaccessible.

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to



Re: IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

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Would that not also be running android though?
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


You could use nvda 2017.4 on a qindows 10 tablet or smartphone with arm 64 which we will have in te future more of.

h

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 17:46 schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>:

Hi Adriani,


Your reply was unclear. Which smart phone does NVDA work on?


On 12/8/2017 2:08 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
NVDA does. That‘s why it supports arm64 now.


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 07:20 schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>:

Hi Group,


I'm wondering if screen readers as we know them will even be around at all in 5 years. Everyone in the sighted world seems to be going more and more toward very small tablets or even just smart phones. I know a fellow who says I'm hopelessly behind and that he hasn't owned a desktop or old style laptop for over 2 years. If this trend continues, what will become of desktops and how will screen reader companies adapt. As of now neither NVDA or VFO are producing screen readers that work with smart phones.



On 12/7/2017 4:48 PM, Arlene wrote:
Oh? It will be a shock. How screen readers will be different in 5 years!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: December-07-17 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

With respect, This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

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i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

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Re: Future of Access

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Or perhaps an ear?
grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Future of Access


Nv access should definitely keep an eye on this trend.


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 17:43 schrieb Brian Moore <bmoore@screenreview.org>:

I actually thought this was on hold again! It would be nice because the new rules refer to WCAG 2.0 for web accessibility stuff which is what we in the rest of the world are using.


Many countries have similar regulations but more and more, with a couple of exceptions, WCAG is the standard refered to by most countries.


anyway, this discussion is straying out of NVDA territory so it should likely end here.


sorry, when you work in it for a living, this stuff is actually exciting!


Brian.

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On 12/08/2017 11:26 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov wrote:
I'm sure you already have heard, but just in case you haven't, the U.S. laws regarding software and website access are generally called 508 and were put in place about 2000. As of January 18th, a refresh of 508 goes into effect.

The official name for the refresh is 36 CFR 1194 and it has many parts. Sections 1 to 5 (they use roman numerals) are details on how the refresh was accomplished and the conclusions determined. Any Americans might want to read that so you can get an idea of how you can become involved in future updates of 508. The actual changes to the code are the appendices. Appendix D is the old code (currently in effect) that will be kept for anything "grandfathered". Appendix A contains the Chapters 1 and 2 of the new code 508. Appendix B contains the Chapters 1 and 2 of the new code 255 (hardware). And, Appendix C contains Chapters 3 to 7 of the code and will apply to both 508 and 255.

This link will take you to the U.S. Access Board website where the whole thing is posted for public viewing:
https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/communications-and-it/about-the-ict-refresh/final-rule/i-executive-summary

It defaults to section I of 36 CFR 1194, but you can use any of the links to jump to the portion of the code that you want.

Tonea Morrow




Re: IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

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Interestingly over here the figures show an increase in sales of laptops and desktops and a drop in sales of tablets. I'm thinking the market is saturated now and people do still need to replace their old workhorses.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


My friend uses some sort of add on for his phone to game. He wins a lot--or so he says so!



On 12/8/2017 2:37 AM, Lenron wrote:
I am not worried about desktops are laptops going anywhere. For the
next few years they will for sure have a place. You can only really
hard core game on a desktop or a console or a really good laptop.

On 12/8/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
NVDA supports arm 64 as well now.


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 07:38 schrieb Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca>:

Absolutely. However, Serotek, the makers of System Access, Docue Scan,
has a app which I use on my IOS device called Sero, and it runs on Windows
and I am a subscriber to the accessibility anywhere package. However,
apple is going to have to sort out things such as how to do complex
formatting, content creation, on IOS in order for people to really use IOS
at workplaces. This isn't a bias or a slap against the iPhone, it’s the
truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Hi Group,


I'm wondering if screen readers as we know them will even be around at all
in 5 years. Everyone in the sighted world seems to be going more and more
toward very small tablets or even just smart phones. I know a fellow who
says I'm hopelessly behind and that he hasn't owned a desktop or old style
laptop for over 2 years. If this trend continues, what will become of
desktops and how will screen reader companies adapt. As of now neither
NVDA or VFO are producing screen readers that work with smart phones.



On 12/7/2017 4:48 PM, Arlene wrote:
Oh? It will be a shock. How screen readers will be different in 5 years!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Adriani Botez
Sent: December-07-17 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

With respect, This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing
more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep
everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are
using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If
you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and
it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers
will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying
behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for
softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA
2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of
Windows and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to
recall from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




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www.al-islam.org










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Re: New Development Question

 

Hi,

Yes, a header row will work too.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Development Question

 

It sounds like you see it the same way we do…any way you want. Okay, so unless someone gives me different guidance, I just need to make sure the columns have a row of headers? I’ll admit it…I have more than 25 years in print work where this never came up. With print dying out, I’m glad to have gotten this job, but I’ve never had to wonder how to make things accessible in print other than size and layout. I know there are PDF guidelines and I need to learn more about them, but I can only chew one bite at a time.

 

Tonea Morrow

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Development Question

 

Hi,

The way tables are handl3ed depends on the screen reader and how it takes advantage of underlying document structure (a bit technical, I know). At the moment when a person uses up or down arrow to move through tables, NVDA will move across columns and down to the next row. There are commands that’ll let folks move between columns horizontally and vertically.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

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I don't know about a phone, but there are a few laptops, notably one by Toshiba that have a cellular modem inside and can to most intents and purposes also function as a telephone on the mobile network but I don't think I'd want to hold one up to my ear!!!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


Hi Adriani,


Your reply was unclear. Which smart phone does NVDA work on?


On 12/8/2017 2:08 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
NVDA does. That‘s why it supports arm64 now.


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 07:20 schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>:

Hi Group,


I'm wondering if screen readers as we know them will even be around at all in 5 years. Everyone in the sighted world seems to be going more and more toward very small tablets or even just smart phones. I know a fellow who says I'm hopelessly behind and that he hasn't owned a desktop or old style laptop for over 2 years. If this trend continues, what will become of desktops and how will screen reader companies adapt. As of now neither NVDA or VFO are producing screen readers that work with smart phones.



On 12/7/2017 4:48 PM, Arlene wrote:
Oh? It will be a shock. How screen readers will be different in 5 years!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: December-07-17 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

With respect, This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

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I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
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Re: Future of Access

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes I'm ecstatic, really I am.... grin.
It would be nice once in a while if the techies could write a version for the masses to ask what they think that does not run into pages of tech and bullshit.

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Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Future of Access


I actually thought this was on hold again! It would be nice because the
new rules refer to WCAG 2.0 for web accessibility stuff which is what we
in the rest of the world are using.


Many countries have similar regulations but more and more, with a couple
of exceptions, WCAG is the standard refered to by most countries.


anyway, this discussion is straying out of NVDA territory so it should
likely end here.


sorry, when you work in it for a living, this stuff is actually exciting!


Brian.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

On 12/08/2017 11:26 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov wrote:
I'm sure you already have heard, but just in case you haven't, the U.S. laws regarding software and website access are generally called 508 and were put in place about 2000. As of January 18th, a refresh of 508 goes into effect.

The official name for the refresh is 36 CFR 1194 and it has many parts. Sections 1 to 5 (they use roman numerals) are details on how the refresh was accomplished and the conclusions determined. Any Americans might want to read that so you can get an idea of how you can become involved in future updates of 508. The actual changes to the code are the appendices. Appendix D is the old code (currently in effect) that will be kept for anything "grandfathered". Appendix A contains the Chapters 1 and 2 of the new code 508. Appendix B contains the Chapters 1 and 2 of the new code 255 (hardware). And, Appendix C contains Chapters 3 to 7 of the code and will apply to both 508 and 255.

This link will take you to the U.S. Access Board website where the whole thing is posted for public viewing:
https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/communications-and-it/about-the-ict-refresh/final-rule/i-executive-summary

It defaults to section I of 36 CFR 1194, but you can use any of the links to jump to the portion of the code that you want.

Tonea Morrow



Re: New Development Question

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

It sounds like you see it the same way we do…any way you want. Okay, so unless someone gives me different guidance, I just need to make sure the columns have a row of headers? I’ll admit it…I have more than 25 years in print work where this never came up. With print dying out, I’m glad to have gotten this job, but I’ve never had to wonder how to make things accessible in print other than size and layout. I know there are PDF guidelines and I need to learn more about them, but I can only chew one bite at a time.

 

Tonea Morrow

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Development Question

 

Hi,

The way tables are handl3ed depends on the screen reader and how it takes advantage of underlying document structure (a bit technical, I know). At the moment when a person uses up or down arrow to move through tables, NVDA will move across columns and down to the next row. There are commands that’ll let folks move between columns horizontally and vertically.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: neospeech

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

I live in the U.S. How much is the neospeech VoiceText™? I found the product page, but I can't find a way to purchase.


Re: IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I have set up Narrator on windows 7 so the right alt and equals launches it. Its the only way I have had to find out what happens when the program fails to restart after an update.
I don't think anyone is having a go at nvda, but the fact remains that the reporting of problems can be a hard thing to do on github for those not used to that sort of site, hence I personally feel not enough time is spent looking at common complaints on this list and seeing what that gives the team, rather than relying on somebody raising an issue. And yes I relies the problems of manpower. I am just suggesting why some are critical about this current release that is all.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


You can start narator by a simple keystroke. I don‘t see why it should start automatically by default.
Do you really thing NVDA is not pulled? Well, there is no screen reader in this world which gets more feedback than nvda. And I am so glad that nvda is community driven... It would certainly make sense for microsoft to implement nvda‘s functionality instead of creating a new screen reader. But nvda should never never be owned by them. And in no case by vfo and co. who try to gain capital out of a project like this.


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 09:22 schrieb Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>:

Maybe the comercial readers are doing a good job being this.

But who knows, we have yet to see ai being part of screen reader apps.

Interestingly tts companies are being brought out by others for their use.

Inoetics which I use a lot well aparently on my next reload the voices I have may not work, you can't buy the windows voices anymore, all that is gone.

On the other point, they are now owned by samsung and for a new company that aparently has been round for 10 years with a few offerings thats huge.

It would be like nvda being owned by microsoft, gwmicro, or something like that.

I hesitate to have it owned by vfo as every reader which is not jaws would probably just be pulled but even so.

Imagine if narator and nvda were 1 in windows, turn on your system and you would hear nvda sound on your system by default.




On 8/12/2017 10:51 a.m., Adriani Botez wrote:
There will be new functions, much more productivity, much more user experience and so on. Screen readers will get smarter as well. We have to stay on the path to it, not to battle against it.


Best
Adriani



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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 22:48
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Oh? It will be a shock. How screen readers will be different in 5 years!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: December-07-17 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

With respect, This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

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An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
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i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


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.



NVDA doesn't recognize tables in iTunes

Mary Otten
 

If you search for an album in the store section of iTunes and have the songs tab focused, you are presented with what appears to be a table, which contains things like the price and the song title and a button to preview the song and other stuff I'm forgetting. At the top, there are titles which are identified as column headings, and the items underneath are identified as cells. However, NVDA table reading commands, such as alt control down arrow to go down a given column do not work.      says it isn't in a table. Why is that?


Mary


Future of Access

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

The whole discussion on cell phones lacking accessibility is why I put up the information on the 508 Refresh. Simply put, it requires hardware developers who provide an OS that accompanies the hardware to also provide a certain level of accessibility. I may be looking at it with rose-colored glasses, but it must either support attachable access or provide access, that includes speech functions.

 

Tonea Morrow

 


Re: Future of Access

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I have no idea, but the fact is that the fcc have made all tv and other makers their appliances accessible, which should benefit the rest of the world merely due to the fact that the us is a big market and product makers will not want to just sell this new stuff over there will they.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Future of Access


I'm sure you already have heard, but just in case you haven't, the U.S. laws regarding software and website access are generally called 508 and were put in place about 2000. As of January 18th, a refresh of 508 goes into effect.

The official name for the refresh is 36 CFR 1194 and it has many parts. Sections 1 to 5 (they use roman numerals) are details on how the refresh was accomplished and the conclusions determined. Any Americans might want to read that so you can get an idea of how you can become involved in future updates of 508. The actual changes to the code are the appendices. Appendix D is the old code (currently in effect) that will be kept for anything "grandfathered". Appendix A contains the Chapters 1 and 2 of the new code 508. Appendix B contains the Chapters 1 and 2 of the new code 255 (hardware). And, Appendix C contains Chapters 3 to 7 of the code and will apply to both 508 and 255.

This link will take you to the U.S. Access Board website where the whole thing is posted for public viewing:
https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/communications-and-it/about-the-ict-refresh/final-rule/i-executive-summary

It defaults to section I of 36 CFR 1194, but you can use any of the links to jump to the portion of the code that you want.

Tonea Morrow



Re: New Development Question

 

Hi,

The way tables are handl3ed depends on the screen reader and how it takes advantage of underlying document structure (a bit technical, I know). At the moment when a person uses up or down arrow to move through tables, NVDA will move across columns and down to the next row. There are commands that’ll let folks move between columns horizontally and vertically.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New Development Question

 

When I create help files, they are in three formats:

 

  1. Online system, whether html (web help), chm (single-file html), or exe (stand-alone help).
  2. Color PDF for download and computer viewing.
  3. Black and White PDF for download and printing.

 

So I need some help understanding how things are read by your screen reader.

 

I have a table of contents for graphics. Visual people can often recognize a picture faster than a word, so in addition to the traditional text of headings and subheadings, this separate table of contents provides persons whose native language is not English a means of finding the help they are seeking by letting them look pictorially.

 

Right now, I have a table of two columns. A picture is in each cell of the left column and the page for reference is in the right column. The pictures have labels, so I know they will be readable by screen readers. What I don’t know is how the reader approaches a table. Does it read whole row before going to the next row? Or does it read the whole column before going to the next column? Or, am I ignorant in how each of you has control to say how a table is read? I’ve already learned that you “see” websites differently than sighted persons because you have different modes on the readers.

 

I realize that you may not be interested in a table of contents for graphics, but this question will help anytime I have to make a table.

 

Thanks for your understanding,

 

Tonea Morrow


Re: IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

In theory as we see from other makers of phones most manufacturers now consider a screenreader in the operating system to be a given. it was indeed unfortunate that Microsoft did not realise this on their phones.


There will always be systems that we have to use that need accessibility, and if the makers do not put that in then somebody will hav to. with the aging population as well then this is where I see voice control and AI coming in more of course.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


Hi,
Ah, future things: as some pointed out, wearables and mixed reality will be the future. Not long ago, I predicted the end of traditional blindness braille hardware (chiefly notetakers), which did come true.
As for NVDA and smartphones: is hardware everything? A car cannot drive itself unless it has engines, internal parts, and increasingly, sophisticated software system. Just because ARM64 processors run on smartphones doesn't mean NVDA is compatible.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Not today, but the whole conversation is about the future.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 17:53 schrieb Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
NVDA will NOT work on any smartphone environment at this time.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
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Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 8:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Hi Adriani,


Your reply was unclear. Which smart phone does NVDA work on?


On 12/8/2017 2:08 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
NVDA does. That‘s why it supports arm64 now.


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 07:20 schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>:

Hi Group,


I'm wondering if screen readers as we know them will even be around at all in 5 years. Everyone in the sighted world seems to be going more and more toward very small tablets or even just smart phones. I know a fellow who says I'm hopelessly behind and that he hasn't owned a desktop or old style laptop for over 2 years. If this trend continues, what will become of desktops and how will screen reader companies adapt. As of now neither NVDA or VFO are producing screen readers that work with smart phones.



On 12/7/2017 4:48 PM, Arlene wrote:
Oh? It will be a shock. How screen readers will be different in 5 years!

-----Original Message-----
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Adriani Botez
Sent: December-07-17 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA
2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

With respect, This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

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von zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA
2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates
have allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend
to be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the
updates had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA
2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of
Windows and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to
recall from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it
relatively simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way
and going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

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<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA
2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1
or later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use
NVDA 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than
7600), then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce
minimum supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if
you are using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from
version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




--
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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
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indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org









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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"







New Development Question

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

When I create help files, they are in three formats:

 

1.       Online system, whether html (web help), chm (single-file html), or exe (stand-alone help).

2.       Color PDF for download and computer viewing.

3.       Black and White PDF for download and printing.

 

So I need some help understanding how things are read by your screen reader.

 

I have a table of contents for graphics. Visual people can often recognize a picture faster than a word, so in addition to the traditional text of headings and subheadings, this separate table of contents provides persons whose native language is not English a means of finding the help they are seeking by letting them look pictorially.

 

Right now, I have a table of two columns. A picture is in each cell of the left column and the page for reference is in the right column. The pictures have labels, so I know they will be readable by screen readers. What I don’t know is how the reader approaches a table. Does it read whole row before going to the next row? Or does it read the whole column before going to the next column? Or, am I ignorant in how each of you has control to say how a table is read? I’ve already learned that you “see” websites differently than sighted persons because you have different modes on the readers.

 

I realize that you may not be interested in a table of contents for graphics, but this question will help anytime I have to make a table.

 

Thanks for your understanding,

 

Tonea Morrow


Re: IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

 

Hi,
Ah, future things: as some pointed out, wearables and mixed reality will be the future. Not long ago, I predicted the end of traditional blindness braille hardware (chiefly notetakers), which did come true.
As for NVDA and smartphones: is hardware everything? A car cannot drive itself unless it has engines, internal parts, and increasingly, sophisticated software system. Just because ARM64 processors run on smartphones doesn't mean NVDA is compatible.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Not today, but the whole conversation is about the future.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 17:53 schrieb Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
NVDA will NOT work on any smartphone environment at this time.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 8:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Hi Adriani,


Your reply was unclear. Which smart phone does NVDA work on?


On 12/8/2017 2:08 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
NVDA does. That‘s why it supports arm64 now.


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 07:20 schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>:

Hi Group,


I'm wondering if screen readers as we know them will even be around at all in 5 years. Everyone in the sighted world seems to be going more and more toward very small tablets or even just smart phones. I know a fellow who says I'm hopelessly behind and that he hasn't owned a desktop or old style laptop for over 2 years. If this trend continues, what will become of desktops and how will screen reader companies adapt. As of now neither NVDA or VFO are producing screen readers that work with smart phones.



On 12/7/2017 4:48 PM, Arlene wrote:
Oh? It will be a shock. How screen readers will be different in 5 years!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Adriani Botez
Sent: December-07-17 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA
2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

With respect, This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

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Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA
2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates
have allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend
to be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the
updates had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA
2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of
Windows and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to
recall from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it
relatively simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way
and going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA
2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1
or later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use
NVDA 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than
7600), then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce
minimum supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if
you are using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from
version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

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