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Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

hello joseph.
your tutorial and posts to the list are very great.
i remember my first experience using nvda with farsi translated of
your tutorial for nvda 2013
it was very great and helped me in many ways.
i realy wish that have your english tutorial and appreciate your help.
i sincerely pray for you every day and request divine infinite mercy
and special blessings for you!

On 12/9/17, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
I
should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Mary Otten
 

Hi Joseph,
In a word, yes. In two words, yes please. Smile. Up-to-date examples and examples looking forward with the latest technology I think would be useful. As a new NVDA user, I would find particularly useful.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

  • The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
  • I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
  • I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
  • If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
  • I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

  • I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
  • Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
  • Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
  • Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
  • Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
  • Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
  • Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
  • Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
  • Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
  • Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

  • The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
  • I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
  • I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
  • If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
  • I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

  • I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
  • Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
  • Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
  • Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
  • Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
  • Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
  • Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
  • Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
  • Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
  • Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: nvda as an exe file

 

as every one maybe know, i use xp!

On 12/9/17, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:
Which version Windows are you running?


From: zahra
Sent: 09 December 2017 15:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

hello.
i unfortunately have this problem.
two months ago, i downloaded nvda 17.3
today the exe file which i downloaded does not work and after openning
the file, i return to the folder and did not recieve any feedback or
music etc.
what should i do?
i dont have security programs, U.ac etc.
i checked general in property and did not see check box for indication
of blocking my file.
what should i do?
i appreciate your help, God bless all!

On 12/9/17, iván Novegil <@inovegil> wrote:
If you're using W10 also verify that "control access to folder" in
Windows Defender Security Center>Antivirus Protection>Settings is not
enabled, it's causing some problems with NVDA.

Anyway please be more specific in your report including expected and
observed behavior.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
@inovegil

Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
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O 09/12/2017 á(s) 14:03, Chris escribiu:

If its uac then you should get a yes/no dialog to allow access or not

It also may be your anti virus blocking it for some reason

A reboot first may resolve the issue if you have changed the uac level

Also another thing to check may be to check in properties of the
downloaded file and under general tab make sure its not been blocked
there

It is one of the checkboxesjust uncheck it and apply and ok

*From: *Joe Hunter via Groups.Io
<mailto:joehunter=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
*Sent: *09 December 2017 12:44
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

thanks criss but tried the exe file but my system is blocking it. My
uac is at 34 percent tried to lower this to zearo but still blocking.
I have a desktop running win10 hal or nvda. not quite sure what to do
next?

On 12/9/2017 12:29 PM, Chris wrote:

Here you go

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

save it somewhere for future reference 😃

*From: *Joe Hunter via Groups.Io
<mailto:joehunter=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
*Sent: *09 December 2017 12:16
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] nvda as an exe file

Hi all tried to update nvda but it stops partway in the
installation so

thought I would try to download an exe file on nvda's websight but
could

not find sutch. is there an exe available yet. Joe


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

Re: nvda as an exe file

Chris
 

Which version  Windows are you running?

 

 

From: zahra
Sent: 09 December 2017 15:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

 

hello.

i unfortunately have this problem.

two months ago, i downloaded nvda 17.3

today the exe file which i downloaded does not work and after openning

the file, i return to the folder and did not recieve any feedback or

music etc.

what should i do?

i dont have security programs, U.ac etc.

i checked general in property and did not see check box for indication

of blocking my file.

what should i do?

i appreciate your help, God bless all!

 

On 12/9/17, iván Novegil <ivan.novegil@...> wrote:

> If you're using W10 also verify that "control access to folder" in

> Windows Defender Security Center>Antivirus Protection>Settings is not

> enabled, it's causing some problems with NVDA.

> Anyway please be more specific in your report including expected and

> observed behavior.

> Regards.

> Iván Novegil Cancelas

> Editor

> ivan.novegil@...

> Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es

> - www.NVDA.es

> Usuario do NVDA en galego

> ***Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información

> privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos

> seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás

> autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por

> esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.***

> O 09/12/2017 á(s) 14:03, Chris escribiu:

>> 

>> If its uac then you should get a yes/no dialog to allow access or not

>> 

>> It also may be your anti virus blocking it for some reason

>> 

>> A reboot first may resolve the issue if you have changed the uac level

>> 

>> Also another thing to check may be to check in properties of the

>> downloaded file and under general tab make sure its not been blocked

>> there

>> 

>> It is one of the checkboxesjust uncheck it and apply and ok

>> 

>> *From: *Joe Hunter via Groups.Io

>> <mailto:joehunter@...>

>> *Sent: *09 December 2017 12:44

>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

>> 

>> thanks criss but tried the exe file but my system is blocking it. My

>> uac is at 34 percent tried to lower this to zearo but still blocking.

>> I have a desktop running win10 hal or nvda. not quite sure what to do

>> next?

>> 

>> On 12/9/2017 12:29 PM, Chris wrote:

>> 

>>     Here you go

>> 

>>     https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

>> 

>>     save it somewhere for future reference 😃

>> 

>>     *From: *Joe Hunter via Groups.Io

>>     <mailto:joehunter@...>

>>     *Sent: *09 December 2017 12:16

>>     *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>     *Subject: *[nvda] nvda as an exe file

>> 

>>     Hi all tried to update nvda but it stops partway in the

>>     installation so

>> 

>>     thought I would try to download an exe file on nvda's websight but

>>     could

>> 

>>     not find sutch. is there an exe available yet. Joe

>> 

>> 

 

 

--

we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.

holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages

www.al-islam.org

 

 

 

Re: a link that won't activate

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


On occasion, I get such links.  Another thing to try is to move to a place on the page just above the problem link.  Then switch to edit mode with insert + space bar and then use the tab key to try highlighting the link and then press enter.  This used to be the case when trying to access premium content for the National Football League using Tune In Premium.  This issue has been resolved this year, but for the 2015 and 2016 seasons this is what I had to do to activate the streams.



On 12/9/2017 2:20 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

If a link is not working with enter I try the following

  1. Press space instead of enter.
  2. Most reliably Press Insert F7 to bring up Elements List  and activate the link from there. This works most times.
  3. If this does  not work I press F6 until I am in the address bar and copy the page address and then load it in Internet explorer.
  4. IE is not a great browser to use nowadays but I have several times found that links that do not work under Firefox or Waterfox will suddenly activate when I load  the same page in IE.  The GiftGab Mobile Phone top up page in the UK is a case in point where several check out buttons do not respond with firefox or Chrome but will in IE for some reason.
  5. So far those methods have worked for me with difficult links, but if they did not I would further try the link using Narator in Edge.

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 09 December 2017 00:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a link that won't activate

 

I would send you to this website, but it is a wine ordering site, and

the link in question is my shopping cart, so I guess there isn't much

point. After I fill my care, I can search using the nvda shift f combo

and find the word cart. It shows how many items are in the cart and is

even identified as a link, although I can't tab to this link at all. If

I press enter, I go nowhere. I can find and identify the cart link as a

link with object nav, and I have mouse tracking on. If I try a single or

double left simulated mouse click using the number pad, which nvda

identifies when I press it as a left click, nothing happens. This is all

happening in Firefox esr. Has anybody seen a link like this, and what

can I do about it?

 

 

Mary

 

 

 

 


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Re: links on single line

特種兵
 

hi,


1. screen layout is enable sometimes causes a broken component, because the cut off may not be the ideal relationship.
That would make me suddenly find out whether this checkbox belongs to the above or below items.


2. Use the actual configuration can be used in your familiar web page under the arrow keys to quickly move to the next block.
Because sometimes single-key browsing may not come in handy.


3. Web site testing, we hope that the layout of the site itself in line with accessibility design,
So we need to understand the real configuration of the screen,
After all, not every guide software has to provide screen layout disable mode,
And we hope that the website is accessible for most of the screen reader and browser.


Mary Otten 於 2017/12/7 上午 08:49 寫道:

This brings up the question of why preserving screen layout is a good idea. I mean, maybe that has to do with working with sighted colleagues? But if that's the only reason, then I'm definitely turning it off as of little to no use.


Mary


On 12/6/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:
Just one more example of why having links read each link on a separate line should be the default, as I said two or three days ago.  The feature is in browse mode settings.  It's a check box that says use screen layout, if supported.  Uncheck this box and activate the ok button.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] links on single line

I am running NVDA 2017-4 on a Win 10 64 bit machine.  I have a web site
where there are multiple links on a single line thus NVDA reads them
together.  If my memory is right there is a way to get NVDA to read this
multi link lines as if each link was separate.  Looked everywhere but
can't find it.
Thanks a





Re: screen review commands not working for me

Brice Mijares
 

Yes Gene, I saw it. Thanks for the info.

On 12/9/2017 7:19 AM, Gene wrote:
I believe you'll see it in a later message. If not, let me know.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:46 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
Jean, Would you please provide the tutorial link again, I can't locate
it. Thank You.
On 12/8/2017 5:55 PM, Gene wrote:
> Unless you really like manuals, and even if you do, I hope you seriously
> consider using the tutorial I linked to yesterday or another one. I
> haven't looked at any of the tutorials to any extent but I've talked
> with a number of people, all of them experienced Windows users and they
> all found the manual to be not very helpful on this subject.  it's
> typical dry manual writing.  Demonstration would, in my opinion for most
> people, be much more useful and clear.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 4:38 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>
> I need to read the help manual to get a better understanding of these
> modes. I think I'm confusing myself by using the up and down arrow keys
> to look at a line, then use the numpad 8 to see if I'm on that line.
> ETC. Thanks for the help.
>
> On 12/8/2017 12:38 PM, Gene wrote:
>  > you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as
>  > described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
>  > Gene
>  > *From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
> > *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
>  > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>  >
>  > Hi
>  >
> >
>  > could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?
>  >
>  >
>  > On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on
>  > the numeric keypad.
>  >
>  >
> >
>  > The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use
>  > with screen review.
> >
>  >
>  > Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to
>  > that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.
>  >
> >
>  > Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.
>  >
>  >
>  > the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review
>  > press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.
>  >
>  > Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the
>  > modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.
>  >
>  > the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it
can.
>  >
> >
>  > using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there
>  > this may change in each application to what it reveals.
>  >
>  >
>  > Gene nz
>  >
>  >
>  > On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>  >> When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely
>  >> different line. Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The
>  >> tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.
>  >>
> >> On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
>  >>> What do you mean when you say they don't work? Assuming the commands
> >>> are doing something, what are they doing?
> >>> Gene
>  >>> ----- original Message -----
>  >>> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
> >>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>> *Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>  >>>
>  >>> I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
>  >>> directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop
layout.
> >>> It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to
> wordpad and
>  >>> was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.
>  >>>
>  >>> Screen review commands
>  >>> Note the pattern as I give these commands:
>  >>> Read previous line, numpad 7.
> >>> Read current line, numpad 8.
>  >>> Read next line, numpad nine.
>  >>> You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you
issue
>  >>> those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to
> the top
> >>> or bottom of the screen.
>  >>> Read previous word, numpad 4.
>  >>> Read current word, numpad 5.
>  >>> Read next word, numpad 6.
> >>> Read previous character, numpad 1.
>  >>> Read current character, numpad 2.
>  >>> Read next character, numpad 3.
>  >>> Note the pattern:
> >>>
>  >>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>  >>>
>  >>>
> >>>
>  >>
>  >>
> >>
>  >
>  > --
>  > Image NVDA certified expert
>  > Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>  > material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of
where you
>  > are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
>  > copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
>  > which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
>  > http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
> > (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
>  > near you, please visit the following link
>  > https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page
contains the
>  > official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
>  > have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>  >
>
>
>

Re: screen review commands not working for me

Kenny
 

Got it.


At 09:41 AM 12/9/2017, you wrote:
object navigation, from what I gather, is similar to the relatively new touch cursor navigation in JAWS, if I remember the name correctly.  It has nothing to do with the PC cursor.  JAWS instituted the touch cursor to do things that object navigation can do such as work with Windows touch screen apps that require that kind of access for partial or full functioning.  I don't know more about touch screen apps.  Even without touch screen apps, there are times you can see things using object navigation that you can't using screen review.  There are also times you can see things using screen review you can't see with object navigation.
 
I haven't looked to any extent at the tutorial I've been discussing and sending the link to but it has sections on the different review modes.  Screen review is similar to the JAWS cursor, though the commands to work with it are different.  \\
 
Browse mode is almost identical to the virtual pc cursor and is used on web pages and in PDF readers that support it as the virtual pc cursor is in JAWS. 
 
I would advise looking at the tutorial or some other good source that describes different review modes.  And since browse mode isn't a review mode, it won't be in those sections. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

So Gene, thinking of this in JAWS termonology.

Object Navigation ([Insert]+[Numpad 1]is similar to the PC cursor on JAWS?
Screen Review ([Insert]+[Numpad7]is similar to the JAWS cursor in JAWS?
Browse mode (Don't know the key combination for this one) is similar to the Invisible cursor in JAWS?

Does NVDA have a mode that's similar to the Virtual cursor in JAWS? If so, what is it and the keyboard shortcut to enable it?

Once I get use to the above, everything else will fall into place.

At 09:19 PM 12/8/2017, you wrote:
The information is correct and I agree with the recommendation not to have the annoyance and frustration of using the laptop layout precisely because of the lack of consistency.  Also, note that what I said is said in the tutorial, make sure you are in object navigation for what you are doing.  the person doing the Window-eyes transition tutorial wisely didn't explain why to do the things he/she suggests.  It isn't prductive or practical to explain object navigation in a brief transition tutorial. 
For now, remember that numpad insert numpad 7 moves you to screen review mode and numpad insert numpad 1 moves you to object navigation mode.  You may come across another mode while moving.  Ignore it.  The modes are announced so you will know what mode you are in.
 
Gene
------- Original Message -----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

Here's that brief tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you
to do a lot of what you did before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert f.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control
shift w.
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main keyboard.
In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
Screen review
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands. those let you review the
screen without changing the position of the cursor when editing a
document, or changing where you are in a dialog or anywhere else. But
first, I'll point out that Commands such as left arrow, right arrow,
control home, control end, control left arrow, and control right arrow
are Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit field
including word processor edit fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by
character.

4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
Move to and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control period
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character, NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard
layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of
patterns in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in
the desktop layout. If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy
a USB numpad and not fool around with the laptop layout. But you can
decide that for yourself. But aside from predictable keys such as that
period is used for current, and that left and right arrows are used with
modifiers, you can't generalize more. Such patterns are not followed in
every previous and next item. In one of the previous and next items, up
and down arrow is used.
More review commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command: control
NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command: Control
NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It depends
what kind of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to any
extent in this very short tutorial.
A brief introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review
commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in
order to see what is on screen, change to screen review mode. to do
this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the desktop layout. In
the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up. Issue the command
and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. Then you can
use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is on
screen.
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important
to return to object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad one
in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down.
Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object review. If you
don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information about where you
are when you do various things in NVDA.
Changing keyboard layout
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the
laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA
key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert; there are
times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard settings, issue the command control insert k. You are
now in a list of layouts. the desktop is the default and the first in
the list. If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once
and then tab to and activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which keys serve as the
NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the space bar. You can
stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop
layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to end
command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me, much
more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of which insert
I use.
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice
quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key. If
you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
Mouse commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position
with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is the same command
you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right click, route
the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash), then use
numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash. In other
words, you right click with the same key you use in Window-eyes.
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept
to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is
different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its use
here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will give an
address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use your
computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial about
screen review and mouse. As I said, its purpose is to allow you to do
much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and easily. But I'll tell
you a few more things.
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost
identical whether you are using NVDA or Window-eyes:
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
Input help mode
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes.
Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a key or
combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what the keys
are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending on
where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual
letters will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode.
I already gave much of that information above but you may want to press
a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input mode off use
the same command you used to turn it on, insert 1.
Additional information
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the
tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download the
entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a blank
message to this address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about
switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the
tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will
meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope
this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to build
confidence that the transition should be much easier than you may have
thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

On 12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do and in what
> program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the series ehe
> had done by Joseph.
>
>
> I guess i will wait and see which program it is then see what he is
> doing wrong if he tells me.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
>
> On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
>> you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as
>> described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
>> Gene
>> *From:* Gene New Zealand < mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?
>>
>>
>> On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on
>> the numeric keypad.
>>
>>
>>
>> The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use
>> with screen review.
>>
>>
>> Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to
>> that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.
>>
>>
>> Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.
>>
>>
>> the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review
>> press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.
>>
>> Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the
>> modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.
>>
>> the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.
>>
>>
>> using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there
>> this may change in each application to what it reveals.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>> On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>>> When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely
>>> different line.  Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The
>>> tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.
>>>
>>> On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> What do you mean when you say they don't work?  Assuming the
>>>> commands are doing something, what are they doing?
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@... >
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> *Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
>>>> directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
>>>> It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad
>>>> and
>>>> was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.
>>>>
>>>> Screen review commands
>>>> Note the pattern as I give these commands:
>>>> Read previous line, numpad 7.
>>>> Read current line, numpad 8.
>>>> Read next line, numpad nine.
>>>> You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
>>>> those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the
>>>> top
>>>> or bottom of the screen.
>>>> Read previous word, numpad 4.
>>>> Read current word, numpad 5.
>>>> Read next word, numpad 6.
>>>> Read previous character, numpad 1.
>>>> Read current character, numpad 2.
>>>> Read next character, numpad 3.
>>>> Note the pattern:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Image NVDA certified expert
>> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
>> you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
>> use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
>> find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
>> near you, please visit the following link
>> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
>> the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world,
>> who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>
> --
> Image NVDA certified expert
> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
> are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
> copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
> which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
> near you, please visit the following link
> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
> official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
> have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>

Re: screen review commands not working for me

Gene
 

I believe you'll see it in a later message.  If not, let me know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

Jean, Would you please provide the tutorial link again, I can't locate
it. Thank You.

On 12/8/2017 5:55 PM, Gene wrote:
> Unless you really like manuals, and even if you do, I hope you seriously
> consider using the tutorial I linked to yesterday or another one.  I
> haven't looked at any of the tutorials to any extent but I've talked
> with a number of people, all of them experienced Windows users and they
> all found the manual to be not very helpful on this subject.  it's
> typical dry manual writing.  Demonstration would, in my opinion for most
> people, be much more useful and clear.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 4:38 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>
> I need to read the help manual to get a better understanding of these
> modes. I think I'm confusing myself by using the up and down arrow keys
> to look at a line, then use the numpad 8 to see if I'm on that line.
> ETC. Thanks for the help.
>
> On 12/8/2017 12:38 PM, Gene wrote:
>  > you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as
>  > described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
>  > Gene
>  > *From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
>  > *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
>  > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>  > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>  >
>  > Hi
>  >
>  >
>  > could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?
>  >
>  >
>  > On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on
>  > the numeric keypad.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use
>  > with screen review.
>  >
>  >
>  > Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to
>  > that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.
>  >
>  >
>  > Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.
>  >
>  >
>  > the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review
>  > press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.
>  >
>  > Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the
>  > modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.
>  >
>  > the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.
>  >
>  >
>  > using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there
>  > this may change in each application to what it reveals.
>  >
>  >
>  > Gene nz
>  >
>  >
>  > On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>  >> When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely
>  >> different line. Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The
>  >> tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.
>  >>
>  >> On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
>  >>> What do you mean when you say they don't work? Assuming the commands
>  >>> are doing something, what are they doing?
>  >>> Gene
>  >>> ----- original Message -----
>  >>> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
>  >>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
>  >>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>  >>> *Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>  >>>
>  >>> I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
>  >>> directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
>  >>> It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to
> wordpad and
>  >>> was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.
>  >>>
>  >>> Screen review commands
>  >>> Note the pattern as I give these commands:
>  >>> Read previous line, numpad 7.
>  >>> Read current line, numpad 8.
>  >>> Read next line, numpad nine.
>  >>> You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
>  >>> those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to
> the top
>  >>> or bottom of the screen.
>  >>> Read previous word, numpad 4.
>  >>> Read current word, numpad 5.
>  >>> Read next word, numpad 6.
>  >>> Read previous character, numpad 1.
>  >>> Read current character, numpad 2.
>  >>> Read next character, numpad 3.
>  >>> Note the pattern:
>  >>>
>  >>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  > --
>  > Image NVDA certified expert
>  > Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>  > material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
>  > are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
>  > copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
>  > which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
>  > http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>  > (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
>  > near you, please visit the following link
>  > https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
>  > official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
>  > have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>  >
>
>
>


Re: nvda as an exe file

 

hello.
i unfortunately have this problem.
two months ago, i downloaded nvda 17.3
today the exe file which i downloaded does not work and after openning
the file, i return to the folder and did not recieve any feedback or
music etc.
what should i do?
i dont have security programs, U.ac etc.
i checked general in property and did not see check box for indication
of blocking my file.
what should i do?
i appreciate your help, God bless all!

On 12/9/17, iván Novegil <@inovegil> wrote:
If you're using W10 also verify that "control access to folder" in
Windows Defender Security Center>Antivirus Protection>Settings is not
enabled, it's causing some problems with NVDA.

Anyway please be more specific in your report including expected and
observed behavior.


Regards.

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O 09/12/2017 á(s) 14:03, Chris escribiu:

If its uac then you should get a yes/no dialog to allow access or not

It also may be your anti virus blocking it for some reason

A reboot first may resolve the issue if you have changed the uac level

Also another thing to check may be to check in properties of the
downloaded file and under general tab make sure its not been blocked
there

It is one of the checkboxesjust uncheck it and apply and ok

*From: *Joe Hunter via Groups.Io
<mailto:joehunter=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
*Sent: *09 December 2017 12:44
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

thanks criss but tried the exe file but my system is blocking it. My
uac is at 34 percent tried to lower this to zearo but still blocking.
I have a desktop running win10 hal or nvda. not quite sure what to do
next?

On 12/9/2017 12:29 PM, Chris wrote:

Here you go

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

save it somewhere for future reference 😃

*From: *Joe Hunter via Groups.Io
<mailto:joehunter=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
*Sent: *09 December 2017 12:16
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] nvda as an exe file

Hi all tried to update nvda but it stops partway in the
installation so

thought I would try to download an exe file on nvda's websight but
could

not find sutch. is there an exe available yet. Joe

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Re: screen review commands not working for me

Brice Mijares
 

Well, I'll thank you for the tutorial.

On 12/8/2017 9:22 PM, Gene wrote:
I remembered doing a short article on switching to NVDA from Window-eyes.  I didn't remember what I said in it and I didn't realize I was commenting on that article.  It's amusing that I commented on my own article without knowing it.  Of course I agreed with it and the way it was done.  Now I know why it was written in a way I would have written it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 10:43 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
Hi
I found the tutorial you are talking about it is written by the other Gene and can be found off the https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Switching-from-Window-Eyes-to-NVDA
the page it linked to was this one at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Guides
I think they were under the wicki section.
Look in the user manual for reviewing text it is section 5.5 i think it is. Just under that section also says about some of the other modes.
What is said in this mode is what can be used in screen review mode and or with object navigation.
this type of commands is good say for reviewing menus etc either word by word or letter by letter.
I could give you examples of where they could be used this would be for review text which can be used with screen review when it is used.
Gene nz
On 12/9/2017 11:43 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Here's that brief tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you to do a lot of what you did before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert f.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control shift w.
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main keyboard. In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
Screen review
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands. those let you review the screen without changing the position of the cursor when editing a document, or changing where you are in a dialog or anywhere else. But first, I'll point out that Commands such as left arrow, right arrow, control home, control end, control left arrow, and control right arrow are Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit field including word processor edit fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by character.

4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
Move to and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control period
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character, NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of patterns in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in the desktop layout. If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy a USB numpad and not fool around with the laptop layout. But you can decide that for yourself. But aside from predictable keys such as that period is used for current, and that left and right arrows are used with modifiers, you can't generalize more. Such patterns are not followed in every previous and next item. In one of the previous and next items, up and down arrow is used.
More review commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command: control NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command: Control NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It depends what kind of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to any extent in this very short tutorial.
A brief introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in order to see what is on screen, change to screen review mode. to do this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the desktop layout. In the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up. Issue the command and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. Then you can use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is on screen.
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important to return to object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad one in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down. Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object review. If you don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information about where you are when you do various things in NVDA.
Changing keyboard layout
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert; there are times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard settings, issue the command control insert k. You are now in a list of layouts. the desktop is the default and the first in the list. If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once and then tab to and activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which keys serve as the NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the space bar. You can stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to end command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me, much more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of which insert I use.
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key. If you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
Mouse commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is the same command you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right click, route the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash), then use numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash. In other words, you right click with the same key you use in Window-eyes.
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its use here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will give an address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use your computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial about screen review and mouse. As I said, its purpose is to allow you to do much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and easily. But I'll tell you a few more things.
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost identical whether you are using NVDA or Window-eyes:
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
Input help mode
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes. Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a key or combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what the keys are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending on where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual letters will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode. I already gave much of that information above but you may want to press a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input mode off use the same command you used to turn it on, insert 1.
Additional information
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download the entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a blank message to this address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to build confidence that the transition should be much easier than you may have thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

On 12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi


It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do and in what program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the series ehe had done by Joseph.


I guess i will wait and see which program it is then see what he is doing wrong if he tells me.


Gene nz



On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
Gene
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

Hi


could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?


On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on the numeric keypad.



The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use with screen review.


Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.


Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.


the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.

Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.

the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.


using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there this may change in each application to what it reveals.


Gene nz


On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely different line.  Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.

On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean when you say they don't work?  Assuming the commands are doing something, what are they doing?
Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad and
was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.

Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:

Thanks for any suggestions.



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Re: screen review commands not working for me

Brice Mijares
 

Thank you gene for all the info you've provided. I'll check these links out.

On 12/8/2017 8:43 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi
I found the tutorial you are talking about it is written by the other Gene and can be found off the https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Switching-from-Window-Eyes-to-NVDA
the page it linked to was this one at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Guides
I think they were under the wicki section.
Look in the user manual for reviewing text it is section 5.5 i think it is. Just under that section also says about some of the other modes.
What is said in this mode is what can be used in screen review mode and or with object navigation.
this type of commands is good say for reviewing menus etc either word by word or letter by letter.
I could give you examples of where they could be used this would be for review text which can be used with screen review when it is used.
Gene nz
On 12/9/2017 11:43 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Here's that brief tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you to do a lot of what you did before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert f.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control shift w.
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main keyboard. In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
Screen review
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands. those let you review the screen without changing the position of the cursor when editing a document, or changing where you are in a dialog or anywhere else. But first, I'll point out that Commands such as left arrow, right arrow, control home, control end, control left arrow, and control right arrow are Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit field including word processor edit fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by character.

4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
Move to and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control period
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character, NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of patterns in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in the desktop layout. If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy a USB numpad and not fool around with the laptop layout. But you can decide that for yourself. But aside from predictable keys such as that period is used for current, and that left and right arrows are used with modifiers, you can't generalize more. Such patterns are not followed in every previous and next item. In one of the previous and next items, up and down arrow is used.
More review commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command: control NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command: Control NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It depends what kind of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to any extent in this very short tutorial.
A brief introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in order to see what is on screen, change to screen review mode. to do this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the desktop layout. In the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up. Issue the command and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. Then you can use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is on screen.
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important to return to object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad one in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down. Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object review. If you don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information about where you are when you do various things in NVDA.
Changing keyboard layout
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert; there are times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard settings, issue the command control insert k. You are now in a list of layouts. the desktop is the default and the first in the list. If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once and then tab to and activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which keys serve as the NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the space bar. You can stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to end command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me, much more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of which insert I use.
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key. If you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
Mouse commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is the same command you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right click, route the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash), then use numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash. In other words, you right click with the same key you use in Window-eyes.
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its use here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will give an address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use your computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial about screen review and mouse. As I said, its purpose is to allow you to do much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and easily. But I'll tell you a few more things.
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost identical whether you are using NVDA or Window-eyes:
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
Input help mode
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes. Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a key or combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what the keys are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending on where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual letters will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode. I already gave much of that information above but you may want to press a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input mode off use the same command you used to turn it on, insert 1.
Additional information
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download the entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a blank message to this address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to build confidence that the transition should be much easier than you may have thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

On 12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi


It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do and in what program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the series ehe had done by Joseph.


I guess i will wait and see which program it is then see what he is doing wrong if he tells me.


Gene nz



On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
Gene
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

Hi


could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?


On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on the numeric keypad.



The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use with screen review.


Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.


Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.


the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.

Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.

the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.


using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there this may change in each application to what it reveals.


Gene nz


On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely different line.  Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.

On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean when you say they don't work?  Assuming the commands are doing something, what are they doing?
Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad and
was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.

Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:

Thanks for any suggestions.



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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

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monthly microsoft updates problem

anthony borg
 

Hi list

I wonder if anyone could help me.

I got the usual monthly Microsoft updates, so when I did the normal procedure by accepted the update and restart, or update and shutdown, it isn’t doing the updates.

Because most probably it got stucked.

Is there a way how to release that and do the updates normally?

I have windows 10 creator.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

Re: screen review commands not working for me

Brice Mijares
 

Jean, Would you please provide the tutorial link again, I can't locate it. Thank You.

On 12/8/2017 5:55 PM, Gene wrote:
Unless you really like manuals, and even if you do, I hope you seriously consider using the tutorial I linked to yesterday or another one.  I haven't looked at any of the tutorials to any extent but I've talked with a number of people, all of them experienced Windows users and they all found the manual to be not very helpful on this subject.  it's typical dry manual writing.  Demonstration would, in my opinion for most people, be much more useful and clear.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 4:38 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
I need to read the help manual to get a better understanding of these
modes. I think I'm confusing myself by using the up and down arrow keys
to look at a line, then use the numpad 8 to see if I'm on that line.
ETC. Thanks for the help.
On 12/8/2017 12:38 PM, Gene wrote:
> you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as
> described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
> Gene
> *From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>
> Hi
>
>
> could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?
>
>
> On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on
> the numeric keypad.
>
>
>
> The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use
> with screen review.
>
>
> Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to
> that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.
>
>
> Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.
>
>
> the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review
> press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.
>
> Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the
> modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.
>
> the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.
>
>
> using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there
> this may change in each application to what it reveals.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
> On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>> When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely
>> different line. Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The
>> tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.
>>
>> On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> What do you mean when you say they don't work? Assuming the commands
>>> are doing something, what are they doing?
>>> Gene
>>> ----- original Message -----
>>> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>>>
>>> I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
>>> directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
>>> It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to
wordpad and
>>> was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.
>>>
>>> Screen review commands
>>> Note the pattern as I give these commands:
>>> Read previous line, numpad 7.
>>> Read current line, numpad 8.
>>> Read next line, numpad nine.
>>> You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
>>> those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to
the top
>>> or bottom of the screen.
>>> Read previous word, numpad 4.
>>> Read current word, numpad 5.
>>> Read next word, numpad 6.
>>> Read previous character, numpad 1.
>>> Read current character, numpad 2.
>>> Read next character, numpad 3.
>>> Note the pattern:
>>>
>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Image NVDA certified expert
> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
> are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
> copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
> which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
> near you, please visit the following link
> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
> official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
> have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>

booleted items not being spoken in nvdasymbols like bullets and

Dan Thompson
 

Hi All,

When in Word 2010 and adding bullets, they are not spoken when going back to check if the bullet is present.

I have tried the settings of all punctuation, some and most and the indication of a bullet being  present is still not spoken.  Am I changing the wrong setting.

Thanks for your advice and have a great holiday season.with now change in

Re: screen review commands not working for me

Gene
 

object navigation, from what I gather, is similar to the relatively new touch cursor navigation in JAWS, if I remember the name correctly.  It has nothing to do with the PC cursor.  JAWS instituted the touch cursor to do things that object navigation can do such as work with Windows touch screen apps that require that kind of access for partial or full functioning.  I don't know more about touch screen apps.  Even without touch screen apps, there are times you can see things using object navigation that you can't using screen review.  There are also times you can see things using screen review you can't see with object navigation.
 
I haven't looked to any extent at the tutorial I've been discussing and sending the link to but it has sections on the different review modes.  Screen review is similar to the JAWS cursor, though the commands to work with it are different.  \\
 
Browse mode is almost identical to the virtual pc cursor and is used on web pages and in PDF readers that support it as the virtual pc cursor is in JAWS. 
 
I would advise looking at the tutorial or some other good source that describes different review modes.  And since browse mode isn't a review mode, it won't be in those sections. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Kenny
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

So Gene, thinking of this in JAWS termonology.

Object Navigation ([Insert]+[Numpad 1]is similar to the PC cursor on JAWS?
Screen Review ([Insert]+[Numpad7]is similar to the JAWS cursor in JAWS?
Browse mode (Don't know the key combination for this one) is similar to the Invisible cursor in JAWS?

Does NVDA have a mode that's similar to the Virtual cursor in JAWS? If so, what is it and the keyboard shortcut to enable it?

Once I get use to the above, everything else will fall into place.

At 09:19 PM 12/8/2017, you wrote:
The information is correct and I agree with the recommendation not to have the annoyance and frustration of using the laptop layout precisely because of the lack of consistency.  Also, note that what I said is said in the tutorial, make sure you are in object navigation for what you are doing.  the person doing the Window-eyes transition tutorial wisely didn't explain why to do the things he/she suggests.  It isn't prductive or practical to explain object navigation in a brief transition tutorial. 
For now, remember that numpad insert numpad 7 moves you to screen review mode and numpad insert numpad 1 moves you to object navigation mode.  You may come across another mode while moving.  Ignore it.  The modes are announced so you will know what mode you are in.
 
Gene
------- Original Message -----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

Here's that brief tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you
to do a lot of what you did before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert f.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control
shift w.
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main keyboard.
In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
Screen review
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands. those let you review the
screen without changing the position of the cursor when editing a
document, or changing where you are in a dialog or anywhere else. But
first, I'll point out that Commands such as left arrow, right arrow,
control home, control end, control left arrow, and control right arrow
are Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit field
including word processor edit fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by
character.

4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
Move to and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control period
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character, NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard
layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of
patterns in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in
the desktop layout. If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy
a USB numpad and not fool around with the laptop layout. But you can
decide that for yourself. But aside from predictable keys such as that
period is used for current, and that left and right arrows are used with
modifiers, you can't generalize more. Such patterns are not followed in
every previous and next item. In one of the previous and next items, up
and down arrow is used.
More review commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command: control
NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command: Control
NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It depends
what kind of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to any
extent in this very short tutorial.
A brief introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review
commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in
order to see what is on screen, change to screen review mode. to do
this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the desktop layout. In
the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up. Issue the command
and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. Then you can
use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is on
screen.
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important
to return to object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad one
in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down.
Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object review. If you
don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information about where you
are when you do various things in NVDA.
Changing keyboard layout
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the
laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA
key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert; there are
times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard settings, issue the command control insert k. You are
now in a list of layouts. the desktop is the default and the first in
the list. If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once
and then tab to and activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which keys serve as the
NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the space bar. You can
stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop
layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to end
command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me, much
more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of which insert
I use.
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice
quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key. If
you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
Mouse commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position
with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is the same command
you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right click, route
the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash), then use
numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash. In other
words, you right click with the same key you use in Window-eyes.
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept
to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is
different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its use
here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will give an
address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use your
computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial about
screen review and mouse. As I said, its purpose is to allow you to do
much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and easily. But I'll tell
you a few more things.
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost
identical whether you are using NVDA or Window-eyes:
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
Input help mode
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes.
Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a key or
combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what the keys
are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending on
where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual
letters will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode.
I already gave much of that information above but you may want to press
a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input mode off use
the same command you used to turn it on, insert 1.
Additional information
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the
tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download the
entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a blank
message to this address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about
switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the
tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will
meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope
this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to build
confidence that the transition should be much easier than you may have
thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

On 12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do and in what
> program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the series ehe
> had done by Joseph.
>
>
> I guess i will wait and see which program it is then see what he is
> doing wrong if he tells me.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
>
> On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
>> you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as
>> described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
>> Gene
>> *From:* Gene New Zealand < mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?
>>
>>
>> On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on
>> the numeric keypad.
>>
>>
>>
>> The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use
>> with screen review.
>>
>>
>> Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to
>> that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.
>>
>>
>> Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.
>>
>>
>> the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review
>> press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.
>>
>> Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the
>> modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.
>>
>> the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.
>>
>>
>> using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there
>> this may change in each application to what it reveals.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>> On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>>> When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely
>>> different line.  Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The
>>> tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.
>>>
>>> On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> What do you mean when you say they don't work?  Assuming the
>>>> commands are doing something, what are they doing?
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@... >
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> *Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
>>>> directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
>>>> It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad
>>>> and
>>>> was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.
>>>>
>>>> Screen review commands
>>>> Note the pattern as I give these commands:
>>>> Read previous line, numpad 7.
>>>> Read current line, numpad 8.
>>>> Read next line, numpad nine.
>>>> You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
>>>> those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the
>>>> top
>>>> or bottom of the screen.
>>>> Read previous word, numpad 4.
>>>> Read current word, numpad 5.
>>>> Read next word, numpad 6.
>>>> Read previous character, numpad 1.
>>>> Read current character, numpad 2.
>>>> Read next character, numpad 3.
>>>> Note the pattern:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
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>> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
>> you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
>> use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
>> find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
>> near you, please visit the following link
>> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
>> the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world,
>> who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>
> --
> Image NVDA certified expert
> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
> are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
> copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
> which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
> near you, please visit the following link
> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
> official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
> have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>

Re: nvda as an exe file

Iván Novegil
 

If you're using W10 also verify that "control access to folder" in Windows Defender Security Center>Antivirus Protection>Settings is not enabled, it's causing some problems with NVDA.

Anyway please be more specific in your report including expected and observed behavior.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
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O 09/12/2017 á(s) 14:03, Chris escribiu:

If its uac then you should get a yes/no dialog to allow access or not

 

It also may be your anti virus blocking it for some reason

 

A reboot first may resolve the issue if you have changed the uac level

 

Also another thing to check may be to check in properties of the downloaded file and under general tab make sure its not been blocked there

It is one of the checkboxesjust uncheck it and apply and ok

 

 

 

From: Joe Hunter via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 December 2017 12:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

 

thanks criss but tried the exe file but my system is blocking it. My uac is at 34 percent tried to lower this to zearo but still blocking. I have a desktop running win10 hal or nvda. not quite sure what to do next?

 

On 12/9/2017 12:29 PM, Chris wrote:

Here you go

 

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

 

save it somewhere for future reference 😃

 

 

 

From: Joe Hunter via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 December 2017 12:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

 

Hi all tried to update nvda but it stops partway in the installation so

thought I would try to download an exe file on nvda's websight but could

not find sutch. is there an exe available yet. Joe

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: nvda as an exe file

Chris
 

Where is uac ?

you stated in a previous message you set it at 0% now you are saying its at 100%

 

 

 

 

From: Joe Hunter via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 December 2017 13:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

 

saved the file and ran it from downloads folder and it ran untill it got to the first peace of music then it stated that it was upgrading previous versions of nvda and shows 0 were it stays at 0 with no progress. after trying to upgrade via the update and then looking at uac levels the levels show 100 percent sorry if I have explained clearly.

 

On 12/9/2017 12:57 PM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean by is blocking it?  At this point, we have no way of knowing what is blocking it, an antivirus program that sees it as a false positive or something else?  UAC is very unlikely to have anything to do with the problem.  Specifically, what happens when you try whatever you are trying?  Are you able to download the file but not run it or can you not download the file? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

 

thanks criss but tried the exe file but my system is blocking it. My uac is at 34 percent tried to lower this to zearo but still blocking. I have a desktop running win10 hal or nvda. not quite sure what to do next?

 

On 12/9/2017 12:29 PM, Chris wrote:

Here you go

 

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

 

save it somewhere for future reference 😃

 

 

 

From: Joe Hunter via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 December 2017 12:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

 

Hi all tried to update nvda but it stops partway in the installation so

thought I would try to download an exe file on nvda's websight but could

not find sutch. is there an exe available yet. Joe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: screen review commands not working for me

Kenny
 

So Gene, thinking of this in JAWS termonology.

Object Navigation ([Insert]+[Numpad 1]is similar to the PC cursor on JAWS?
Screen Review ([Insert]+[Numpad7]is similar to the JAWS cursor in JAWS?
Browse mode (Don't know the key combination for this one) is similar to the Invisible cursor in JAWS?

Does NVDA have a mode that's similar to the Virtual cursor in JAWS? If so, what is it and the keyboard shortcut to enable it?

Once I get use to the above, everything else will fall into place.


At 09:19 PM 12/8/2017, you wrote:
The information is correct and I agree with the recommendation not to have the annoyance and frustration of using the laptop layout precisely because of the lack of consistency.  Also, note that what I said is said in the tutorial, make sure you are in object navigation for what you are doing.  the person doing the Window-eyes transition tutorial wisely didn't explain why to do the things he/she suggests.  It isn't prductive or practical to explain object navigation in a brief transition tutorial. 
For now, remember that numpad insert numpad 7 moves you to screen review mode and numpad insert numpad 1 moves you to object navigation mode.  You may come across another mode while moving.  Ignore it.  The modes are announced so you will know what mode you are in.
 
Gene
------- Original Message -----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

Here's that brief tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you
to do a lot of what you did before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert f.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control
shift w.
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main keyboard.
In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
Screen review
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands. those let you review the
screen without changing the position of the cursor when editing a
document, or changing where you are in a dialog or anywhere else. But
first, I'll point out that Commands such as left arrow, right arrow,
control home, control end, control left arrow, and control right arrow
are Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit field
including word processor edit fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by
character.

4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
Move to and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control period
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character, NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard
layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of
patterns in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in
the desktop layout. If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy
a USB numpad and not fool around with the laptop layout. But you can
decide that for yourself. But aside from predictable keys such as that
period is used for current, and that left and right arrows are used with
modifiers, you can't generalize more. Such patterns are not followed in
every previous and next item. In one of the previous and next items, up
and down arrow is used.
More review commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command: control
NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command: Control
NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It depends
what kind of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to any
extent in this very short tutorial.
A brief introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review
commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in
order to see what is on screen, change to screen review mode. to do
this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the desktop layout. In
the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up. Issue the command
and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. Then you can
use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is on
screen.
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important
to return to object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad one
in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down.
Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object review. If you
don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information about where you
are when you do various things in NVDA.
Changing keyboard layout
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the
laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA
key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert; there are
times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard settings, issue the command control insert k. You are
now in a list of layouts. the desktop is the default and the first in
the list. If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once
and then tab to and activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which keys serve as the
NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the space bar. You can
stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop
layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to end
command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me, much
more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of which insert
I use.
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice
quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key. If
you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
Mouse commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position
with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is the same command
you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right click, route
the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash), then use
numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash. In other
words, you right click with the same key you use in Window-eyes.
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept
to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is
different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its use
here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will give an
address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use your
computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial about
screen review and mouse. As I said, its purpose is to allow you to do
much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and easily. But I'll tell
you a few more things.
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost
identical whether you are using NVDA or Window-eyes:
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
Input help mode
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes.
Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a key or
combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what the keys
are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending on
where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual
letters will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode.
I already gave much of that information above but you may want to press
a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input mode off use
the same command you used to turn it on, insert 1.
Additional information
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the
tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download the
entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a blank
message to this address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about
switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the
tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will
meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope
this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to build
confidence that the transition should be much easier than you may have
thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

On 12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do and in what
> program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the series ehe
> had done by Joseph.
>
>
> I guess i will wait and see which program it is then see what he is
> doing wrong if he tells me.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
>
> On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
>> you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as
>> described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
>> Gene
>> *From:* Gene New Zealand < mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?
>>
>>
>> On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on
>> the numeric keypad.
>>
>>
>>
>> The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use
>> with screen review.
>>
>>
>> Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to
>> that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.
>>
>>
>> Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.
>>
>>
>> the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review
>> press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.
>>
>> Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the
>> modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.
>>
>> the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.
>>
>>
>> using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there
>> this may change in each application to what it reveals.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>> On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>>> When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely
>>> different line.  Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The
>>> tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.
>>>
>>> On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> What do you mean when you say they don't work?  Assuming the
>>>> commands are doing something, what are they doing?
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@... >
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> *Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
>>>> directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
>>>> It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad
>>>> and
>>>> was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.
>>>>
>>>> Screen review commands
>>>> Note the pattern as I give these commands:
>>>> Read previous line, numpad 7.
>>>> Read current line, numpad 8.
>>>> Read next line, numpad nine.
>>>> You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
>>>> those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the
>>>> top
>>>> or bottom of the screen.
>>>> Read previous word, numpad 4.
>>>> Read current word, numpad 5.
>>>> Read next word, numpad 6.
>>>> Read previous character, numpad 1.
>>>> Read current character, numpad 2.
>>>> Read next character, numpad 3.
>>>> Note the pattern:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Image NVDA certified expert
>> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
>> you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
>> use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
>> find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
>> near you, please visit the following link
>> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
>> the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world,
>> who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>
> --
> Image NVDA certified expert
> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
> are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
> copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
> which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
> near you, please visit the following link
> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
> official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
> have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>