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Re: Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

Adriani Botez
 

Hello Tony,

 

unfortunately I could not find a work around for your problem. The comments are not separated by colors, but by aligments I guess. So, it certainly depends on the screen resolution and screen size as well. In my view, it is not possible to solve this problem by NVDA. And from an accessible perspective, you would need a multi line braille display or something like this to easily find the comment you want to read.

 

Apart from that, I doubt that it would improve your user experience if redit collapses all levels automatically. You would have to expand them again and again to find relevant comments.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Tony Malykh
Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Dezember 2017 03:41
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

Here are some examples:

200+ comments:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14477851

 

90+ comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/7gtm54/the_best_books_of_2017_megalist/

 

8000+ comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/34m5n6/reddit_what_are_some_must_read_books/

 

Although these days reddit is smart enough to collapse deep branches of replies, it still often shows second-level comments.

 

Tony

 

 

 

 

On 12/7/2017 1:33 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:

Could you please copy a link here where you have suche comments with many levels?

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Tony Malykh
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 20:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

Gene, I'm sorry I missed your question. I tried deducing the level of comment by its contents, but I found it was too hard. Some posts have several hundreds of comments. Every top level comment might have a tree of a few dozen replies. And depending on the topic of the post, sometimes it is not clear at all whether the comment is a top level one or a reply. Also my brain gets tired of trying to deduce the level of the comment. Now since I get the offset of a comment directly, it is going to be much easier for my brain, since I would need to listen and only compare the number (offset being equal to the top-level comment offset).

 

Tony

 

On 12/6/2017 4:39 PM, Gene wrote:

I ask a question in this message and make a few comments but the second half of the message discusses what might be a related command, at least in terms of how you would program it.  Perhaps if there is enough interest on the list, the developers will work on it soon. 

 

The review cursor by default if you are using object navigation follows the system cursor.  But what I'm saying is if you only want to read the top level comments, then don't you have to move to every comment and measure the distance?  My question is how that is better than reading a few words of each comment to see if you want to continue.  But maybe you have to read enough of each comment that it is slower enough to matter. 

 

Evidently, the speak position command has more functions than in the old version of NVDA I use.  So you are correct that to hear the numbers, you have to issue the command twice.

Also, the idea of being able to jump to the next occurrence of text starting a certain point from the left of the screen might be related to another feature NVDA should have.  If you have a page with two or three columns or more and you want to only read one column, you should be able to define a start point and an end point farther to the right.  Then you could read and only have that defineed column read.  ASAP had a read column feature in JAWS.  I seldo had to use it but I would imagine it was very useful to some people,  Consider one use with NVDA:

Suppose you got a poorly formatted PDF document where pages didn't decolumnize properly.  Rather than have decolumnization occur, if you could just have the page recognized with no decolumnization and set the columns yourself, you might be able to read such documents. 

 

Genea distance from the left of the screen
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:22 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

I am an NVDA newbie, so I don't know how or why this works, but it works for me. I tried it on both Reddit and Hacker News in Google Chrome and Firefox. I don't have to press any extra buttons to route the review cursor, perhaps the review cursor just follows the system cursor in my case.

 

After your email I tried pressing Insert+Delete only once, and it indeed speaks the horizontal offset of current object in (I assume) pixels. After pressing it twice it speaks the horizontal offset in percentage of the screen width. So either way can be used.

 

I like your idea about NVDA addon that would let you jump between paragraphs with the same offset. I might try to write such a plugin myself when I have some free time.

 

Tony

 

 

On 12/6/2017 3:33 PM, Gene wrote:

I haven't tried this but I don't see how using the cursor location feature would help much.  You would still have to move to the beginning of each comment and check the distance.  If that would save you time in not having to read any of the comment, I don't know but having to move to the next comment and check the distance of each comment would seem to be cumbersome and perhaps not much easier than reading a bit of each comment to see if it’s a reply.  but those who try this may explain that I'm wrong and why. 

 

Perhaps what we need, if this can be done, is a feature or a plugin you can set to look for text that starts a certain distance from the left side of the screen and then be able to jump to the next text that starts at the same number of pixels from the left of the screen.  You could issue a next and a back command to move to these items.  So the idea may lead to a good solution if such a feature can be developed.

 

By the way, you don't have to issue the command twice.  It does the same thing if issued once or more times.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments

 

I've been playing with NVDA and just discovered a simple solution: press
Insert + Numpad Delete twice (Report review cursor location) and it will
tell you the distance from the left edge of the screen. The greater the
distance - the deeper the level of the comment.


I think in theory something can be done on the client side to make the
comments more readable for screenreader users.. You can write a browser
plugin that would modify a page to include the level of the comment
explicitly for example. But this is only in theory: my knowledge of
javascript/HTML/CSS is too poor to write it myself.


Tony





On 12/6/2017 11:29 AM, Bill Dengler wrote:
> I’m interested in this as well, but suspect it requires changes on the site’s end.
>
> Bill
>
>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Many websites have tree-like structure of comments. For
>> example, reddit, hacker news, and probably a lot more websites are
>> like this. Sometimes I would like to read some comments, but for
>> example I would like to read only the top-level comments, and not the
>> deeper levels, because that would be the replies to the top-level
>> comments, and they are typically not as interesting. Is there any way
>> to achieve this with NVDA?
>>
>> So, for example, I would like to have a key combination to jump to the
>> next same level comment. Right now I can only jump to the next comment
>> of any level by searching a keyword ("up vote" or something, that
>> appears next to every comment), and then I'd have to deduce in my mind
>> what level comment is this. It is very tedious to browse comments this way.
>>
>> Another way that might help me would be to figure out the level of the
>> current comment. At least I'd be able to move down through the
>> comments without reading them and without trying to deduce its level
>> from the contents.
>>
>> I can use Firefox, Google Chrome and IE, so I'd be happy to find a solution that works in any of these browsers.
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated!
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



 

 

 

Re: Automatic switch braile output table in NVDA

Adriani Botez
 

Hello, yes there is indicators in there. Look for example this URL in
romanian:
http://ro-nvda.tk/userGuide.html

It is the user guide for NVDA.

Some examples:
In Romanian, there is a letter which is pronounced tz. In braille this is
dot 2, 4 and 6. But on the braille display there appears something with
'x012b' or so. eSpeak say "Character 1 2 b" when trying to read the letter.
The whole word however is correctly pronounced. But not the single
character.

In Turkish, there is a letter which pronounced sounds like a mix of I and a.
In braille is written by dot 3 and dot 5. For example the word nasılsın. It
means how are you, but on the braille display there appears a code instead
of dots 3 and 5 for that letter.


Automatically switch language and dialects is enabled. When I manually
choose output table Turkish, the sign is being correctly recognized. But
eSpeak and other synthesizers still pronounce it wrong.

What we would need here is an automatic combination of output tables in
braille when corresponding letters need to be displayed.

As far as I can see, Romanian braille is not implemented. Is it an option
for NVDA to implement BRLTTY drivers in the core? That driver supports much
more languages than libluis. Both drivers would cover much more signs.


Best
Adriani



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Antony
Stone
Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Dezember 2017 01:02
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Automatic switch braile output table in NVDA

Is there any indication (for example in the HTML source code) that the
change is occurring?

Can you give an example URL of a website containing multiple languages so we
can see whether there's anything NVDA could pick up on to indicate "oh, it's
German now" or whatever?


Antony.

On Friday 08 December 2017 at 00:52:19, Adriani Botez wrote:

This happens in several text editors and the browser, especially on
websites where you can learn new languages, gramar and ortography.


Best
Adriani
Am 08.12.2017 um 00:16 schrieb Antony Stone:

What application/s are you talking about where this text is displayed?

What information is available to NVDA to tell it what language is
being used at any given point?

I don't see how this could be done automatically, so unless whatever
application (browser? word processor? text editor? other?) you
are using has some way of indicating "language switches to X here" I
don't think NVDA can be expected to reinterpret all on its own.


Antony.

On Friday 08 December 2017 at 00:10:42, adriani.botez wrote:

Dear all,

If I have a text where german and russian words are combined, when
i choose german output table the russian letters are shown as a
combination of signs I cannot understand. On the other hand, if I
switch the tables, the german letters are not being displayed
correctly.

Is there a possibility to tell NVDA to automaically recognize the
language and to choose the right table accordingly? Let's say I
would restrict it to grade 1 or so.

Best
Adriani
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Re: safe mode

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go into it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i could note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz



On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best




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Re: Strange isue when browsing webpages

Dr. arvind singh brar <arvindsinghbrar@...>
 

Yes i do 
But the thing is, the web page is totally english,
But i'll turn it off just to be sure,
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Do you have automatic language switching checked in voice settings of NVDA?

 

 

From: Dr. arvind singh brar
Sent: 10 December 2017 19:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange isue when browsing webpages

 

Hello guys,

 

I seem to be facing a strange issue when browsing web pages,

 

I am using the latest version of nvda and vocalizer tts voices,

When i am browsing a page,

The body of the page is read in a female voice and only the links are read in the male vocalizer voice, it's kind of annoying.

 

Anybody know how to fix this,

 

I would like pages to be read in only one vocalizer voice,

Thanks

Alvin

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Re: Strange isue when browsing webpages

Chris
 

Do you have automatic language switching checked in voice settings of NVDA?

 

 

From: Dr. arvind singh brar
Sent: 10 December 2017 19:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange isue when browsing webpages

 

Hello guys,

 

I seem to be facing a strange issue when browsing web pages,

 

I am using the latest version of nvda and vocalizer tts voices,

When i am browsing a page,

The body of the page is read in a female voice and only the links are read in the male vocalizer voice, it's kind of annoying.

 

Anybody know how to fix this,

 

I would like pages to be read in only one vocalizer voice,

Thanks

Alvin

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Re: nvda unresponsiveness

Chris
 

So if you reduced the number of open programs, what happens then?

 

 

From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: 10 December 2017 16:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda unresponsiveness

 

Hi Roi

 

The ram is 4 gb

 

The synth is MS speech mobile and sometimes codefactory eloquent.

 

Unresponsive means that it would not respond to commands as quiclly as

one would expect the screen reader to do. especially when multiple

applications are running.

 

I do not know of the had drive type. How do I get that information?

 

Please help.

 

Marisane

 

On 12/10/17, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

> 1 - Besides the processor, other important components are RAM memory and

> type of disk, HDD or SSD.

> Other questions:

> Wich synth are you using?

> What you mean by "unresponsiveness"?

> Rui

> Às 09:11 de 10/12/2017, Marisane Moruthanyana escreveu:

>> Morning nvda users

>> 

>> I am Marisane from SA.

>> 

>> I have, for sometime now, been looking for your assistance regarding

>> nvda unresponsiveness but to no avail.

>> 

>> I have recently upgraded to nvda 2017.4, but the unresponsiveness

>> still persists.

>> 

>> May I know whether this may be due to my laptop's using intel seleron

>> processor at a speed of less than 2ghz?

>> 

>> Does the processor type and its speed have any impact on nvda's

>> functionality / dysfunctionality?

>> 

>> What processor and speed should one take into account when buying a

>> laptop so that nvda may respond positively?

>> 

>> I am frustrated, because this happens only with nvda and not with jaws.

>> 

>> I use jaws demo as I have no licence for it to do some work on my PC,

>> but it responds very well that I do not have the same problems as

>> those with nvda.

>> 

>> If the processor type and its speed are the cause of nvda'

>> unresponsiveness, why only it and not other screen reader like jaws?

>> 

>> Your urgent assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

>> 

>> Please, please, please help, I am getting frustrated everyday.

>> 

>> I solely rely on nvda as my jaws is only 40 minutes.

>> 

>> Hope you understand.

>> 

>> Regards

>> Marisane

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> .

>> 

 

 

 

Strange isue when browsing webpages

Dr. arvind singh brar <arvindsinghbrar@...>
 

Hello guys,

I seem to be facing a strange issue when browsing web pages,

I am using the latest version of nvda and vocalizer tts voices,
When i am browsing a page,
The body of the page is read in a female voice and only the links are read in the male vocalizer voice, it's kind of annoying.

Anybody know how to fix this,

I would like pages to be read in only one vocalizer voice,
Thanks
Alvin

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Re: NVDA Out of Focus on Some Clickables

 

I get this in thunderbird, open a message, hit enter it executes something and I am on the desktop.

I alt tab, if I then reply or something it won't do this but still.

On 11/12/2017 4:46 a.m., Rob Hudson wrote:
NVDA 2017.xx, windows 10, Firefox Version XXX
Sometimes, if an item is clickable, or one of those in page links, and you press space or enter on that item, NVDA will jump to the system tray, or pull up something that says
"Neww notification window"
If you press window title hotkey, it says
"shellexperiencehost"
It's like it's doing a mouse click instead of activating the item, or jumping completely off screen somewhere.
This behavior is random and not easy to catch, but I notice that it occurs, for example, sometimes, if you follow those links on Amazon where it says
"People who bought this item also bought"
There are back and next links. Those little listings are on the same page as the main item you are looking at, and it just scrolls a list of related items or something; I haven't taken a look at the code to see what is really happening, there. Another example is if an item is clickable and not an actual link. For example, my bank's website has a
"Login"
clickable item, and not an actual link. If i pres enter or space on that, it will sometimes jump me to that
"shellexperiencehost"
item, or the system tray.
Has anyone else observed this?


.

Re: malware bites question

Antony Stone
 

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@...
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Re: audio themes addon and sound cards.

Giles Turnbull
 

This sounds slightly similar to a problem I was having at the start of 2017. My Microsoft Surface Pro 4 tablet would work fine, outputing speech through headphones using my default NVDA configuration (SAPI5 using Zira voice), and then I'd unplug the headphones and switch to an external speaker and it worked fine until I changed the NVDA voice from Zira to Hazel. Instead of outputing through the external speaker it'd go back to outputing through the internal tablet speaker.

I battled with this for ages, asking on a Surface Pro 4 forum, but with no result. Then I discovered there is an NVDA setting in preferences / synthesizer where it has output device. It wasn't the act of changing headphone to external speaker that was cutting the headphone / external speaker connection, it was the act of switching the NVDA voice. For clarification I use the normal configuration profile for my default fast speech rate with Zira, and a dedicated configuration profile for when I want to use the Hazel voice at a slower speed and a few other relevant NVDAsettings. When I looked at the synthesizer output device setting in that configuration profile, it was set to the Realtek HD internal speaker, so I changed it to 'headphones' and I've had no problem with it since.

This was vital to me to sort out because I participate in writing groups where I want the fast speed Zira setting when I'm writing, but want to slow it down and switch to Hazel and external speakers when I want the rest of the class to hear what I've written.

Sorry for the lengthy answer ... in a nutshell, look in Prefences / Synthesizer for the output device. Hope that works for you :)

Giles

malware bites question

Gary Metzler
 

Hi All,
 
I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat.  How do I delete it?  I am using the latest windows and nvda.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
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Re: NVDA Out of Focus on Some Clickables

Gene
 

On links, try turning forms mode on, nvda key space bar, then try following the link.
 
I'm not sure what you might try for clickable items that aren't links.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Out of Focus on Some Clickables

NVDA 2017.xx, windows 10, Firefox Version XXX
Sometimes, if an item is clickable, or one of those in page links, and you press space or enter on that item, NVDA will jump to the system tray, or pull up something that says
"Neww notification window"
 If you press window title hotkey, it says
"shellexperiencehost"
It's like it's doing a mouse click instead of activating the item, or jumping completely off screen somewhere.
This behavior is random and not easy to catch, but I notice that it occurs, for example, sometimes, if you follow those links on Amazon where it says
"People who bought this item also bought"
There are back and next links. Those little listings are on the same page as the main item you are looking at, and it just scrolls a list of related items or something; I haven't taken a look at the code to see what is really happening, there. Another example is if an item is clickable and not an actual link. For example, my bank's website has a
"Login"
clickable item, and not an actual link. If i pres enter or space on that, it will sometimes jump me to that
"shellexperiencehost"
item, or the system tray.
Has anyone else observed this?



Re: nvda unresponsiveness

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


My name is Rui, not Roi...


Regarding the type of device, if you can hear the disk is an old HDD. If you can't hear nothing at all, is an SDD.


Do you have, or can install, the Remote addon, to allow the remote access to your machine?


Regards,


Rui



Às 16:23 de 10/12/2017, Marisane Moruthanyana escreveu:

Hi Roi

The ram is 4 gb

The synth is MS speech mobile and sometimes codefactory eloquent.

Unresponsive means that it would not respond to commands as quiclly as
one would expect the screen reader to do. especially when multiple
applications are running.

I do not know of the had drive type. How do I get that information?

Please help.

Marisane

On 12/10/17, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
1 - Besides the processor, other important components are RAM memory and
type of disk, HDD or SSD.


Other questions:

Wich synth are you using?

What you mean by "unresponsiveness"?


Rui




Às 09:11 de 10/12/2017, Marisane Moruthanyana escreveu:
Morning nvda users

I am Marisane from SA.

I have, for sometime now, been looking for your assistance regarding
nvda unresponsiveness but to no avail.

I have recently upgraded to nvda 2017.4, but the unresponsiveness
still persists.

May I know whether this may be due to my laptop's using intel seleron
processor at a speed of less than 2ghz?

Does the processor type and its speed have any impact on nvda's
functionality / dysfunctionality?

What processor and speed should one take into account when buying a
laptop so that nvda may respond positively?

I am frustrated, because this happens only with nvda and not with jaws.

I use jaws demo as I have no licence for it to do some work on my PC,
but it responds very well that I do not have the same problems as
those with nvda.

If the processor type and its speed are the cause of nvda'
unresponsiveness, why only it and not other screen reader like jaws?

Your urgent assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

Please, please, please help, I am getting frustrated everyday.

I solely rely on nvda as my jaws is only 40 minutes.

Hope you understand.

Regards
Marisane



.






Re: safe mode

Brice Mijares
 

Okay! thanks for the info.

On 12/10/2017 8:05 AM, Hareth wrote:
So far it worked with all cards that people including me have tested.
And no one as far I know has reported it not working with His or Her PC.
TC
On 12/10/17, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
Does this work with all sound cards? Thanks.



Re: Automatic switch braile output table in NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

NVDA can make automatic Braille tables as it does with language of synth.


By using the indications of HTML, Word and so on, to change the language, or based in Unicode range of characters...


Rui



Às 00:02 de 08/12/2017, Antony Stone escreveu:

Is there any indication (for example in the HTML source code) that the change 
is occurring?

Can you give an example URL of a website containing multiple languages so we 
can see whether there's anything NVDA could pick up on to indicate "oh, it's 
German now" or whatever?


Antony.

On Friday 08 December 2017 at 00:52:19, Adriani Botez wrote:

This happens in several text editors and the browser, especially on
websites where you can learn new languages, gramar and ortography.


Best
Adriani

      
Am 08.12.2017 um 00:16 schrieb Antony Stone:

What application/s are you talking about where this text is displayed?

What information is available to NVDA to tell it what language is being
used at any given point?

I don't see how this could be done automatically, so unless whatever
application (browser?  word processor?  text editor?  other?) you are
using has some way of indicating "language switches to X here" I don't
think NVDA can be expected to reinterpret all on its own.


Antony.

On Friday 08 December 2017 at 00:10:42, adriani.botez wrote:

Dear all,

If I have a text where german and russian words are combined, when i
choose german output table the russian letters are shown as a
combination of signs I cannot understand. On the other hand, if I
switch the tables, the german letters are not being displayed
correctly.

Is there a possibility to tell NVDA to automaically recognize the
language and to choose the right table accordingly? Let's say I would
restrict it to grade 1 or so.

Best
Adriani

    

Re: nvda unresponsiveness

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Hi Roi

The ram is 4 gb

The synth is MS speech mobile and sometimes codefactory eloquent.

Unresponsive means that it would not respond to commands as quiclly as
one would expect the screen reader to do. especially when multiple
applications are running.

I do not know of the had drive type. How do I get that information?

Please help.

Marisane

On 12/10/17, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
1 - Besides the processor, other important components are RAM memory and
type of disk, HDD or SSD.


Other questions:

Wich synth are you using?

What you mean by "unresponsiveness"?


Rui




Às 09:11 de 10/12/2017, Marisane Moruthanyana escreveu:
Morning nvda users

I am Marisane from SA.

I have, for sometime now, been looking for your assistance regarding
nvda unresponsiveness but to no avail.

I have recently upgraded to nvda 2017.4, but the unresponsiveness
still persists.

May I know whether this may be due to my laptop's using intel seleron
processor at a speed of less than 2ghz?

Does the processor type and its speed have any impact on nvda's
functionality / dysfunctionality?

What processor and speed should one take into account when buying a
laptop so that nvda may respond positively?

I am frustrated, because this happens only with nvda and not with jaws.

I use jaws demo as I have no licence for it to do some work on my PC,
but it responds very well that I do not have the same problems as
those with nvda.

If the processor type and its speed are the cause of nvda'
unresponsiveness, why only it and not other screen reader like jaws?

Your urgent assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

Please, please, please help, I am getting frustrated everyday.

I solely rely on nvda as my jaws is only 40 minutes.

Hope you understand.

Regards
Marisane



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Re: screen review commands not working for me

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry by late answer!


PC cursor = Focus mode

Virtual cursor = browse mode

Jaws, or better, invisible cursor = Screen review

Screen review is more like invisible cursor since it does not move the mouse pointer.
The new Jaws cursor is like object review.

Rui

Às 14:12 de 09/12/2017, Kenny escreveu:

So Gene, thinking of this in JAWS termonology.

Object Navigation ([Insert]+[Numpad 1]is similar to the PC cursor on JAWS?
Screen Review ([Insert]+[Numpad7]is similar to the JAWS cursor in JAWS?
Browse mode (Don't know the key combination for this one) is similar to the Invisible cursor in JAWS?

Does NVDA have a mode that's similar to the Virtual cursor in JAWS? If so, what is it and the keyboard shortcut to enable it?

Once I get use to the above, everything else will fall into place.

At 09:19 PM 12/8/2017, you wrote:
The information is correct and I agree with the recommendation not to have the annoyance and frustration of using the laptop layout precisely because of the lack of consistency.  Also, note that what I said is said in the tutorial, make sure you are in object navigation for what you are doing.  the person doing the Window-eyes transition tutorial wisely didn't explain why to do the things he/she suggests.  It isn't prductive or practical to explain object navigation in a brief transition tutorial. 
For now, remember that numpad insert numpad 7 moves you to screen review mode and numpad insert numpad 1 moves you to object navigation mode.  You may come across another mode while moving.  Ignore it.  The modes are announced so you will know what mode you are in.
 
Gene
------- Original Message -----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

Here's that brief tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you
to do a lot of what you did before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert f.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control
shift w.
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main keyboard.
In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
Screen review
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands. those let you review the
screen without changing the position of the cursor when editing a
document, or changing where you are in a dialog or anywhere else. But
first, I'll point out that Commands such as left arrow, right arrow,
control home, control end, control left arrow, and control right arrow
are Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit field
including word processor edit fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by
character.

4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
Move to and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control period
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character, NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard
layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of
patterns in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in
the desktop layout. If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy
a USB numpad and not fool around with the laptop layout. But you can
decide that for yourself. But aside from predictable keys such as that
period is used for current, and that left and right arrows are used with
modifiers, you can't generalize more. Such patterns are not followed in
every previous and next item. In one of the previous and next items, up
and down arrow is used.
More review commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command: control
NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command: Control
NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It depends
what kind of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to any
extent in this very short tutorial.
A brief introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review
commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in
order to see what is on screen, change to screen review mode. to do
this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the desktop layout. In
the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up. Issue the command
and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. Then you can
use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is on
screen.
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important
to return to object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad one
in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down.
Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object review. If you
don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information about where you
are when you do various things in NVDA.
Changing keyboard layout
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the
laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA
key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert; there are
times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard settings, issue the command control insert k. You are
now in a list of layouts. the desktop is the default and the first in
the list. If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once
and then tab to and activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which keys serve as the
NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the space bar. You can
stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop
layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to end
command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me, much
more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of which insert
I use.
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice
quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key. If
you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
Mouse commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position
with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is the same command
you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right click, route
the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash), then use
numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash. In other
words, you right click with the same key you use in Window-eyes.
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept
to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is
different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its use
here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will give an
address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use your
computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial about
screen review and mouse. As I said, its purpose is to allow you to do
much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and easily. But I'll tell
you a few more things.
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost
identical whether you are using NVDA or Window-eyes:
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
Input help mode
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes.
Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a key or
combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what the keys
are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending on
where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual
letters will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode.
I already gave much of that information above but you may want to press
a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input mode off use
the same command you used to turn it on, insert 1.
Additional information
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the
tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download the
entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a blank
message to this address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about
switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the
tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will
meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope
this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to build
confidence that the transition should be much easier than you may have
thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

On 12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do and in what
> program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the series ehe
> had done by Joseph.
>
>
> I guess i will wait and see which program it is then see what he is
> doing wrong if he tells me.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
>
> On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
>> you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as
>> described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
>> Gene
>> *From:* Gene New Zealand < mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?
>>
>>
>> On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on
>> the numeric keypad.
>>
>>
>>
>> The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use
>> with screen review.
>>
>>
>> Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to
>> that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.
>>
>>
>> Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.
>>
>>
>> the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review
>> press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.
>>
>> Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the
>> modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.
>>
>> the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.
>>
>>
>> using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there
>> this may change in each application to what it reveals.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>> On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>>> When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely
>>> different line.  Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The
>>> tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.
>>>
>>> On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> What do you mean when you say they don't work?  Assuming the
>>>> commands are doing something, what are they doing?
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@... >
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> *Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
>>>> directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
>>>> It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad
>>>> and
>>>> was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.
>>>>
>>>> Screen review commands
>>>> Note the pattern as I give these commands:
>>>> Read previous line, numpad 7.
>>>> Read current line, numpad 8.
>>>> Read next line, numpad nine.
>>>> You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
>>>> those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the
>>>> top
>>>> or bottom of the screen.
>>>> Read previous word, numpad 4.
>>>> Read current word, numpad 5.
>>>> Read next word, numpad 6.
>>>> Read previous character, numpad 1.
>>>> Read current character, numpad 2.
>>>> Read next character, numpad 3.
>>>> Note the pattern:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Image NVDA certified expert
>> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
>> you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
>> use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
>> find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
>> near you, please visit the following link
>> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
>> the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world,
>> who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>
> --
> Image NVDA certified expert
> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
> are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
> copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
> which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
> near you, please visit the following link
> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
> official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
> have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>


Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Adriani Botez
 

I would rather record a podcast where the episods are not longer than 3 to 5 minutes. An episod per week would have a good impact.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.12.2017 um 17:53 schrieb Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>:

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

  • The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
  • I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
  • I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
  • If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
  • I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

  • I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
  • Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
  • Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
  • Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
  • Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
  • Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
  • Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
  • Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
  • Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
  • Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: safe mode

Hareth
 

So far it worked with all cards that people including me have tested.
And no one as far I know has reported it not working with His or Her PC.

TC

On 12/10/17, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
Does this work with all sound cards? Thanks.



Re: booleted items not being spoken in nvdasymbols like bullets and

Adriani Botez
 

Enable  lists in document formating settings.


Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.12.2017 um 15:42 schrieb Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...>:

Hi All,

When in Word 2010 and adding bullets, they are not spoken when going back to check if the bullet is present.

I have tried the settings of all punctuation, some and most and the indication of a bullet being  present is still not spoken.  Am I changing the wrong setting.

Thanks for your advice and have a great holiday season.with now change in