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Re: Future of Access

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If the designers do not understand blind access you often end up ith an api that does not have all the 'signal's lets call them that the access software might need making the designer still need to hack or screen scrape to get at the other vital parts.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Future of Access


It all depends, not everyone will be like apple is with access or google to a point.

They may just put in something that makes it accessible but not really.

Here is the thing, microsoft is promoting access even for games in a real big way and they are one of the big kids

I don't fully scoff this though, soni has put in access for its stuff, and a lot of hardware manufacturers are trying to make things app based for phones.

But not everyone is playing nice, at least not fully nice.

As I said before the companies that made it first will still not want to share, they will find ways to hold things back.



On 9/12/2017 6:14 a.m., tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov wrote:
The whole discussion on cell phones lacking accessibility is why I put up the information on the 508 Refresh. Simply put, it requires hardware developers who provide an OS that accompanies the hardware to also provide a certain level of accessibility. I may be looking at it with rose-colored glasses, but it must either support attachable access or provide access, that includes speech functions.

Tonea Morrow



Re: nvda unresponsiveness

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Yes indeed that processor is struggling nowadays.
Also not much Ram there so its probably using virtual memory, ie the hard drive, and if that is not an SSD one then its going to be real slow in lots of situations.
I had one of those machines some time ago and it was very slow doing some stuff, like in Word, finding and displaying files in explorer and even displaying some web pages.

I think its a cut down processor and so causes a bottleneck when several things are trying to get the processor time together.
Download the resource monitor add on from the web site of nvda contributors and see what the processor usage is at various times.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marisane Moruthanyana" <marisanem@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:11 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda unresponsiveness


Morning nvda users

I am Marisane from SA.

I have, for sometime now, been looking for your assistance regarding
nvda unresponsiveness but to no avail.

I have recently upgraded to nvda 2017.4, but the unresponsiveness
still persists.

May I know whether this may be due to my laptop's using intel seleron
processor at a speed of less than 2ghz?

Does the processor type and its speed have any impact on nvda's
functionality / dysfunctionality?

What processor and speed should one take into account when buying a
laptop so that nvda may respond positively?

I am frustrated, because this happens only with nvda and not with jaws.

I use jaws demo as I have no licence for it to do some work on my PC,
but it responds very well that I do not have the same problems as
those with nvda.

If the processor type and its speed are the cause of nvda'
unresponsiveness, why only it and not other screen reader like jaws?

Your urgent assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

Please, please, please help, I am getting frustrated everyday.

I solely rely on nvda as my jaws is only 40 minutes.

Hope you understand.

Regards
Marisane


Re: malware bites question

Ian Blackburn
 

If it’s like a vast then you need to use a clear program from the website completely in accessible

The vast clear program makes the computer boot up into a special Mode that you must use the mouse to operate that will clear your avast

Sent from my iPhone

On 11 Dec 2017, at 5:40 pm, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Is Avg a 64 bit install? if not then the old version of Revo will do it or always used to.
I'd have thought that their site would give some kind of help on removal but it may well involve the sighted. The problem is as they now seem to belong to the same outfit as Avast they are probably prohibiting screenreaders from hooking in to their code as well.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question


Hi,

Please excuse me if the question is not close related to nvda, but as you are talking about antivirus program, I thought I would try to ask,

I installed avg antivirus, but as it is not so accessible, I would like to remove it completely. it is impossible to do so because it seems it has some problems removing itself.

does any one know how to do? If you can, please help me.

Even after installing Windows 10 avg is still here!
I really have no idea on how to handle it.
Thank you in advance.
Ciao.
Angela from Italy

Il 11/12/2017 02:05, Gary Metzler ha scritto:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net


Re: malware bites question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Is Avg a 64 bit install? if not then the old version of Revo will do it or always used to.
I'd have thought that their site would give some kind of help on removal but it may well involve the sighted. The problem is as they now seem to belong to the same outfit as Avast they are probably prohibiting screenreaders from hooking in to their code as well.


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question


Hi,

Please excuse me if the question is not close related to nvda, but as you are talking about antivirus program, I thought I would try to ask,

I installed avg antivirus, but as it is not so accessible, I would like to remove it completely. it is impossible to do so because it seems it has some problems removing itself.

does any one know how to do? If you can, please help me.

Even after installing Windows 10 avg is still here!
I really have no idea on how to handle it.
Thank you in advance.
Ciao.
Angela from Italy

Il 11/12/2017 02:05, Gary Metzler ha scritto:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net


Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

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What is too slow though? Certainly the gabble rate is far too fast for me and I've been using screenreaders for many years.
Also as to many you will be using an unfamiliar voice it pays to be careful.

Maybe we need to find a test of some sort.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


Yes, agreed to slow would turn off most of the users I think.

On 10/12/2017 00:37, Gene wrote:
I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as accomodating new users might be for more experienced users. I would suggest doing what I do in tutorials. I have the speech speak at a good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced listener will know what has been said. I haven't done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc. I repeat everything that matters so users can tell what they need to know. My system accomodates both new and experienced synthesized speech users..
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


> Dear global NVDA community,
>
>
>
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
> tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
> edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
> there
> are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
> Training
> module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through
my
> tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
>
>
>
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
>
> http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
>
>
>
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with
> some conditions:
>
>
>
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
> snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
> I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
> to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
> demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
>
>
>
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you
say
> I
> should do it:
>
>
>
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
> recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
> command
> line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note
on
> Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
> command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
> others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
> especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
> Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the
fly
> and
> elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
> including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
> Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
> and what not.
>
>
>
> Comments are appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>




Re: malware bites question

Angela Delicata
 

Hi,

Please excuse me if the question is not  close  related to nvda, but as you are talking about antivirus program, I thought I would try to ask,

I installed avg antivirus, but as  it is  not so accessible, I would like to remove it completely. it is impossible to do so because it seems it has some problems removing itself.

does any one know how to do? If you can, please help me.

Even after installing Windows 10 avg is still here!
I really have no idea on how to handle it.
Thank you in advance.
Ciao.
Angela from Italy

Il 11/12/2017 02:05, Gary Metzler ha scritto:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker.  I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it?  I am using the latest windows and nvda.  Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net


Re: safe mode

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?

 


How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader

by Hareth  and co

What is safe mode?

Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent Windows from starting correctly.

 

To use NVDA in safe mode

 

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0

 

 

After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few different sound cards.

 

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

 

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:

Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter

Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"

Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.

Tab to "base video" and check it as well.

Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the

computer to apply the changes.

If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

 

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into safe mode,  you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.

Message you will get while in safe mode

To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.

Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534) Safe Mode

 

 

 

After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,

but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and

base video;  and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal mode.




On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:
I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
 telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before  they really
need to preform a task on it when problems  happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
 code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name  as in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be  better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage  with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at  the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




--
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Re: nvda unresponsiveness

Gene
 

At this point, we don't know enough to form proper opinions or conclusions.  One thing that should be checked is whether something is using more processor power than it should.  I don't recall what version of Windows you are running but once you tell us, people can tell you how to see how much processor power is being used by everything on your system in total.  If the number is excessively high, we can start looking at the amount of power individual programs use.  This problem may be the result of something using a lot of computer resources and whatever it is may be able to be removed or stopped if it isn't needed.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda unresponsiveness

Hi Kevin

I often use internet explorer as my browser.

Yes, I sometimes use firefox, but the problem is the same.

Although I am not 100% sure, I would like to conclude that the problem
is caused by the type of processor and the speed on my machine.

Why, because on my other laptop which use intel (R(core(tm)I4 with 4GB
memory, nvda respons very well without this problem.

My new HP laptop which gives me this problem use intel (r) seleron
processor at the speed of 1.6 GHZ.

Hope you understand.

Marisane

On 12/10/17, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd@...> wrote:
> I only see this using firefox sometimes when arrowing down a page it
> stops talking and you just have to wait I have the latest Sr of ff sorry
> not sure what the latest Sr is but I got an update yesterday for the Esr
> sorry I have said Sr it should have been Esr sorry.
>
> On 10/12/2017 12:17, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
>> Might you have too many AddOns installed? Try running NVDA without the
>> AddOns: For this, NVDA+qq, and a dialogue should come up asking you what
>> you want to do; among these options is Start NVDA without AddOns. See if
>> this helps, to see if maybe it's an AddOn taht's causing this slowness?
>>
>>
>> El 10/12/2017 a las 03:11 a.m., Marisane Moruthanyana escribió:
>>> Morning nvda users
>>>
>>> I am Marisane from SA.
>>>
>>> I have, for sometime now, been looking for your assistance regarding
>>> nvda unresponsiveness but to no avail.
>>>
>>> I have recently upgraded to nvda 2017.4, but the unresponsiveness
>>> still persists.
>>>
>>> May I know whether this may be due to my laptop's using intel seleron
>>> processor at a speed of less than 2ghz?
>>>
>>> Does the processor type and its speed have any impact on nvda's
>>> functionality / dysfunctionality?
>>>
>>> What processor and speed should one take into account when buying a
>>> laptop so that nvda may respond positively?
>>>
>>> I am frustrated, because this happens only with nvda and not with jaws.
>>>
>>> I use jaws demo as I have no licence for it to do some work on my PC,
>>> but it responds very well that I do not have the same problems as
>>> those with nvda.
>>>
>>> If the processor type and its speed are the cause of nvda'
>>> unresponsiveness, why only it and not other screen reader like jaws?
>>>
>>> Your urgent assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.
>>>
>>> Please, please, please help, I am getting frustrated everyday.
>>>
>>> I solely rely on nvda as my jaws is only 40 minutes.
>>>
>>> Hope you understand.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Marisane
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: nvda unresponsiveness

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Hi Kevin

I often use internet explorer as my browser.

Yes, I sometimes use firefox, but the problem is the same.

Although I am not 100% sure, I would like to conclude that the problem
is caused by the type of processor and the speed on my machine.

Why, because on my other laptop which use intel (R(core(tm)I4 with 4GB
memory, nvda respons very well without this problem.

My new HP laptop which gives me this problem use intel (r) seleron
processor at the speed of 1.6 GHZ.

Hope you understand.

Marisane

On 12/10/17, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I only see this using firefox sometimes when arrowing down a page it
stops talking and you just have to wait I have the latest Sr of ff sorry
not sure what the latest Sr is but I got an update yesterday for the Esr
sorry I have said Sr it should have been Esr sorry.

On 10/12/2017 12:17, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
Might you have too many AddOns installed? Try running NVDA without the
AddOns: For this, NVDA+qq, and a dialogue should come up asking you what
you want to do; among these options is Start NVDA without AddOns. See if
this helps, to see if maybe it's an AddOn taht's causing this slowness?


El 10/12/2017 a las 03:11 a.m., Marisane Moruthanyana escribió:
Morning nvda users

I am Marisane from SA.

I have, for sometime now, been looking for your assistance regarding
nvda unresponsiveness but to no avail.

I have recently upgraded to nvda 2017.4, but the unresponsiveness
still persists.

May I know whether this may be due to my laptop's using intel seleron
processor at a speed of less than 2ghz?

Does the processor type and its speed have any impact on nvda's
functionality / dysfunctionality?

What processor and speed should one take into account when buying a
laptop so that nvda may respond positively?

I am frustrated, because this happens only with nvda and not with jaws.

I use jaws demo as I have no licence for it to do some work on my PC,
but it responds very well that I do not have the same problems as
those with nvda.

If the processor type and its speed are the cause of nvda'
unresponsiveness, why only it and not other screen reader like jaws?

Your urgent assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

Please, please, please help, I am getting frustrated everyday.

I solely rely on nvda as my jaws is only 40 minutes.

Hope you understand.

Regards
Marisane





Re: malware bites question

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Barry,


I don't know what anti virus program you are using, but with many--particularly McAfee and Symantec products, they give a lot of false positives.  I remember when people running NVDA had all sorts of problems with Symantec which kept eating up NVDA whenever it updated.

On 12/10/2017 8:45 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Ron,
A few months ago someone gave a link to bible seeker.  I tried to install it but, it didn't install.  I guess it was a virus.

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi Barry.


I have run Bible Seeker and its various components for years with no
problems.  This must be a false positive.



On 12/10/2017 8:05 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker.  I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it?  I am using the latest windows and nvda.  Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net
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Re: malware bites question

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Ron,
A few months ago someone gave a link to bible seeker. I tried to install it but, it didn't install. I guess it was a virus.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi Barry.


I have run Bible Seeker and its various components for years with no
problems. This must be a false positive.



On 12/10/2017 8:05 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: malware bites question

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Barry.


I have run Bible Seeker and its various components for years with no problems.  This must be a false positive.

On 12/10/2017 8:05 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker.  I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it?  I am using the latest windows and nvda.  Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: malware bites question

Ian Blackburn
 

Replace the Bible seeker
With theophilis


Sent from my iPhone

On 11 Dec 2017, at 9:05 am, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net
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Re: malware bites question

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net
--
Tinned food was developed for the British Navy in 1813.

The tin opener was not invented until 1858.

Please reply to the list;
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Re: I can't seem to create an account on the NVDA Vocalizer site what might I be doing wrong?

Roger Stewart
 

There are a rapidly increasing websites that don't work well with Firefox. Any Twitter client won't get registered at all if you use Firefox--it must be done with IE and not sure about Edge. Maybe this is one of them. Try going to the page with another browser and see if it will work. There's another site I use a lot, and when it's time to renew my subscription, it will refuse to work at all with Firefox but works every time with IE. Seems to be related to the interaction you must do with the site such as creating an account or paying for something. You can look at any website and find everything, but you just can't do much interactions with Firefox.

Roger

On 12/10/2017 4:36 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
I can't seem to create an account (for those who have bought the NVDA Vocalizer voices it's a requirement before proceeding); I entered everything my first and last name, country Mexico, password, EMail, but it keeps on saying that there was an error on the site, and to verify the info? but which info? I'm using Firefox. So if anyone has any ideas? Thanks.


I can't seem to create an account on the NVDA Vocalizer site what might I be doing wrong?

Gerardo Corripio
 

I can't seem to create an account (for those who have bought the NVDA Vocalizer voices it's a requirement before proceeding); I entered everything my first and last name, country Mexico, password, EMail, but it keeps on saying that there was an error on the site, and to verify the info? but which info? I'm using Firefox. So if anyone has any ideas? Thanks.

--
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird


Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'd not want the speed to be way too slow but at a good enough rate where
most users could understand the speech.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Yes, agreed to slow would turn off most of the users I think.

On 10/12/2017 00:37, Gene wrote:
I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as
accomodating new users might be for more experienced users.  I would
suggest doing what I do in tutorials.  I have the speech speak at a
good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so
the inexperienced listener will know what has been said.  I haven't
done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say
everything or just about everything the speech says, but I repeat
everything as I move through a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc.  I
repeat everything that matters so users can tell what they need to
know.  My system accomodates both new and experienced synthesized speech
users..
Gene
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018
edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot
tutorial about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that
thick but I still find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we
all know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of
content reading order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a
duck with a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a
lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major  upgrade
to nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer
systems, and this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into
the air to fall who knows where for a while, so its a good time to get
folk used to diagnosing and working around any problems by giving them
a bit of a lesson in the logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


> Dear global NVDA community,
>
>
>
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at
some > tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record
the 2018 > edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set.
The thing is, > there > are more superb tutorials out now, including
NV Access's own Basic > Training > module. I do understand that many
folks have come to know NVDA through my > tutorials and some
tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
>
>
>
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
>
> http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
>
>
>
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be
done with > some conditions:
>
>
>
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying
me, > I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for
folks > to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode >
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
>
>
>
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided
you say > I > should do it:
>
>
>
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve >
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as >
command > line switches to start a portable copy after creating one
and a note on > Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities,
some > command changes (including copying the contents of status
bars) and > others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new
examples, > especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents
with > Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands
on the fly > and > elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, >
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples,
including > Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development
snapshots > and what not.
>
>
>
> Comments are appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>




Re: safe mode

Hareth
 

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before they really
need to preform a task on it when problems happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name as in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





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at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
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screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


Re: nvda unresponsiveness

Kevin Cussick
 

I only see this using firefox sometimes when arrowing down a page it stops talking and you just have to wait I have the latest Sr of ff sorry not sure what the latest Sr is but I got an update yesterday for the Esr sorry I have said Sr it should have been Esr sorry.

On 10/12/2017 12:17, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
Might you have too many AddOns installed? Try running NVDA without the AddOns: For this, NVDA+qq, and a dialogue should come up asking you what you want to do; among these options is Start NVDA without AddOns. See if this helps, to see if maybe it's an AddOn taht's causing this slowness?
El 10/12/2017 a las 03:11 a.m., Marisane Moruthanyana escribió:
Morning nvda users

I am Marisane from SA.

I have, for sometime now, been looking for your assistance regarding
nvda unresponsiveness but to no avail.

I have recently upgraded to nvda 2017.4, but the unresponsiveness
still persists.

May I know whether this may be due to my laptop's using intel seleron
processor at a speed of less than 2ghz?

Does the processor type and its speed have any impact on nvda's
functionality / dysfunctionality?

What processor and speed should one take into account when buying a
laptop so that nvda may respond positively?

I am frustrated, because this happens only with nvda and not with jaws.

I use jaws demo as I have no licence for it to do some work on my PC,
but it responds very well that I do not have the same problems as
those with nvda.

If the processor type and its speed are the cause of nvda'
unresponsiveness, why only it and not other screen reader like jaws?

Your urgent assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

Please, please, please help, I am getting frustrated everyday.

I solely rely on nvda as my jaws is only 40 minutes.

Hope you understand.

Regards
Marisane



Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Kevin Cussick
 

Yes, agreed to slow would turn off most of the users I think.

On 10/12/2017 00:37, Gene wrote:
I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as accomodating new users might be for more experienced users.  I would suggest doing what I do in tutorials.  I have the speech speak at a good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced listener will know what has been said.  I haven't done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc.  I repeat everything that matters so users can tell what they need to know.  My system accomodates both new and experienced synthesized speech users..
Gene
----- Original Message -----
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.
Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.
Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!
Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major  upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.
 Brian
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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

> Dear global NVDA community,
>
>
>
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
> tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
> edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
> there
> are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
> Training
> module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
> tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
>
>
>
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
>
> http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
>
>
>
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with
> some conditions:
>
>
>
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
> snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
> I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
> to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
> demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
>
>
>
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided
you say
> I
> should do it:
>
>
>
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
> recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
> command
> line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
> Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
> command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
> others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
> especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
> Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
> and
> elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
> including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
> Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
> and what not.
>
>
>
> Comments are appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>