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Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Joseph,


Go for it!  Since it has been a couple of years, and changes have been made to some things, it wouldn't hurt to record an updated version of it.


Tony


  On 12/9/2017 11:53 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

  • The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
  • I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
  • I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
  • If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
  • I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

  • I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
  • Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
  • Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
  • Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
  • Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
  • Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
  • Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
  • Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
  • Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
  • Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Survey: Preferred Help Format

Gene
 

I haven't used PDF to any extent.  Isn't HTML mostly used now?  Whatever the case, if people have problems using CHM, that's another instance of poor instruction or of people picking up Windows and other learning not in an organized manner.  CHM is just as easy to use as HTML if you know how to use it.  I won't go into how to use it in this message, but it's a question of knowing  how to use it.  and knowing how to work with a treeview, an essential piece of knowledge for CHM help, is important to know in other contexts.  I'm not blaming people for not knowing how to use CHM help for whatever reason or reasons.  But it is worth knowing. 
 
CHM not only has a contents treeview, it has a search function and an index function as well.  I run into a CHM help system now and then and it is an advantage for blind people to know how to use it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format

Hi,


Perhaps either the .chm or .html versions would be best because they are what we as blind users are most familiar with. If I had to choose one over the other though, the .chm file version was good for me for the longest time and it's more of a preference thing than anything else.  you get use to the .html version eventually.


Tony


On 12/11/2017 9:44 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

My team hasn’t told me which help format we will be using for the online help. So, I thought I’d ask a little survey:

 

Which online help system do you prefer to use and a brief why, a.k.a. does one grant you more opportunities than another or is one more difficult with which to make a screen reader work?:

<!--[if !supportLists]-->A)      <!--[endif]-->Win Help (chm): old-style windows help system with a content tree on the left, a large pane containing information filling the right and center areas, and a header across the top with forward, backward type buttons.

<!--[if !supportLists]-->B)      <!--[endif]-->HTML Help: the design is similar to Win Help, but the whole thing runs in a web browser—whichever one is your default browswer.

<!--[if !supportLists]-->C)      <!--[endif]-->PDF – Portable Document Format with proper tags.

 



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I seem to be missing some posts to this list in my email, as I can see replies to some where the original is not there. Don't have time to go furtling about on the web site and it will probably get rectified soon so if anyone has asked me anything or I appear thick that either means I am thick or I did not see the original!
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Re: iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

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We are only assuming he means Alex at the moment as Daniel is there too and its ubiquitous in its distribution.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?


Alex is not a Vocalizer voice.


Rui Fontes



Às 13:30 de 11/12/2017, Damien Sykes escreveu:
Hi,
Are you sure it's a Vocaliser voice and not one made by Apple? Apple
recently started putting their own voices onto iOS, like Alex and so on.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

I'm looking for the Siri Male iPhone voice (or its equivalent) on
Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Voices page, to use especially for reading, with
NVDA, but it's not there. Might it be that's not been added yet? It'd be
a dream come true if I could have it. Thanks for info.


Re: Survey: Preferred Help Format

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I do not like pdf due to the problems it has if its not used with approved readers and if there are any mistakes in tagging. its also slow.
HTML however its done is far better, If the only difference is the way its stored we need hardly know about it. One thing to watch is not to provide an internal browser of the programs own making as these are notoriously inaccessible unless based on something like the old Mozilla code or IE.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format


Hi there,
I have never been able to get WinHelp to work with screen readers. Having said that, WinHelp being a legacy format from the old XP days I have never actually tried using it with NVDA.
Again, PDF is another struggling point, at least for me. Converting into a plaintext or HTML format is possible, but it’s nice to be able to just open a document and read it straight away.
HTML help: I tend to prefer this option, though there are two options, packed as a .CHM (compiled HTML format) file, which seems to be the current Windows favourite, or as a single or multiple page folder or zip file etc. I personally had nothing against CHM’s until very recently, when some CHM’s I made refused to open the web pages on a friend’s machine, and when I switched to a 64-bit machine and all NVDA could say while navigating the contents tree was “Unknown, Unknown, Unknown”. Needless to say, that has unfortunately well and truly put me off CHM’s and has had me resorting to decompiling those into multiple page standard webpages and looking at the contents and index pages in source form. Again, not the best way to view help documentation in my opinion.
Obviously depending on machine, Windows version and, um, bitness? Screen reader version, confidence etc, different people will have different methods of dealing with these situations. But personally for me, the way I write help files now are as either a single document, or if it’s a big project, a folder with multiple HTML files, with the main file being called index which contains a table of contents.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format

My team hasn’t told me which help format we will be using for the online help. So, I thought I’d ask a little survey:



Which online help system do you prefer to use and a brief why, a.k.a. does one grant you more opportunities than another or is one more difficult with which to make a screen reader work?:

A) Win Help (chm): old-style windows help system with a content tree on the left, a large pane containing information filling the right and center areas, and a header across the top with forward, backward type buttons.

B) HTML Help: the design is similar to Win Help, but the whole thing runs in a web browser—whichever one is your default browswer.

C) PDF – Portable Document Format with proper tags.


Re: Survey: Preferred Help Format

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Perhaps either the .chm or .html versions would be best because they are what we as blind users are most familiar with. If I had to choose one over the other though, the .chm file version was good for me for the longest time and it's more of a preference thing than anything else.  you get use to the .html version eventually.


Tony


On 12/11/2017 9:44 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

My team hasn’t told me which help format we will be using for the online help. So, I thought I’d ask a little survey:

 

Which online help system do you prefer to use and a brief why, a.k.a. does one grant you more opportunities than another or is one more difficult with which to make a screen reader work?:

A)      Win Help (chm): old-style windows help system with a content tree on the left, a large pane containing information filling the right and center areas, and a header across the top with forward, backward type buttons.

B)      HTML Help: the design is similar to Win Help, but the whole thing runs in a web browser—whichever one is your default browswer.

C)      PDF – Portable Document Format with proper tags.

 



Re: Survey: Preferred Help Format

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I far prefer the web browser option. Its based on something everyone should learn first, ie how web sites work etc, so one does not need to know about function keys and all of that sort of stuff.
Its also easier if you want to cut and past stuff for future ref as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format


My team hasn't told me which help format we will be using for the online help. So, I thought I'd ask a little survey:

Which online help system do you prefer to use and a brief why, a.k.a. does one grant you more opportunities than another or is one more difficult with which to make a screen reader work?:

A) Win Help (chm): old-style windows help system with a content tree on the left, a large pane containing information filling the right and center areas, and a header across the top with forward, backward type buttons.

B) HTML Help: the design is similar to Win Help, but the whole thing runs in a web browser-whichever one is your default browswer.

C) PDF - Portable Document Format with proper tags.


Re: removing avg

Angela Delicata
 

Actually, you are right: it is not for us at all, but the good news is Windows 10 has an accessible  antivirus program built in.

Ciao

Angela from Italy.

Il 11/12/2017 18:26, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Being fair, its actually not so bad, but if you cannot control it due to its inaccessibility then its really not for blind people.
I still find it astounding that so many pieces of software in mass use just do not consider blind users. as an aging population more and more computer users of today will as they age lose their sight and expect to be able to use their software, but it seems that  it s just not happening.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing avg


unfortunately, i think this will be the case for me as well because it seems like a cancer on my pc, it won't remove: it has taken control over my emails too: really garbage software.

thank you again for your kind replies.

Ciao!

Angela from Italy




Il 11/12/2017 12:54, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.






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Re: iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

Damien Sykes <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Daniel's a UK voice, I'm pretty sure Gerardo specified a US voice. The only US voice that I can think of off the top of my head that wouldn't be in the Vocaliser list is Alex, because he's a voice made by Apple. A lot of people seem to like him because he not only talks but he breathes as well...Very novel for a TTS voice I must say!
But yeah. If it's the breathing one you're after, that's Alex and you'll be very lucky if Technotiflia will distribute that. Even assuming they have even a slim chance of obtaining a developer licence, it would then need to be ported for Windows and...Ugh. I certainly wouldn't relish the thought of doing all that!
Cheers.
Damien.

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

What is it called, are you referring toDaniel?
I thought almost every synth had this as an option .
I have it but I find him ( John Briggs to give him his real name) Just a
little too sincere!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?


I'm looking for the Siri Male iPhone voice (or its equivalent) on Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Voices page, to use especially for reading, with NVDA, but it's not there. Might it be that's not been added yet? It'd be a dream come true if I could have it. Thanks for info.

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Re: Error when selecting Download voices from NVDA Vocalizer menu

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What error are you getting? I have noticed recently than around the world many internet service providers are now blocking sites using automatic software that might look for key words just to be a bit of a nanny state so to speak or on the other hand, some are actually looking at pages and seeing part https and part http and not liking that so stopping access. I've found this on Virgin here, but its usually a glitch and fixed after some days.
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Error when selecting Download voices from NVDA Vocalizer menu


Am I the only one, that when activating the download Extra voices from THE NVDA Vocalizer menu that one gets when installing and activating the NVDA Vocalizer voice package, I get an error page? Hopefully this can be fixed in an update, because it'd save time in wanting to browse to see what other voices there are, especially trying the Premium ones.

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Re: iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

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If it is Alex then you will need to find out who owns the copyright. It may well be that Apple wanted at least some voices only they have, and hence anyone else using it would no doubt get sued to within an inch of their wallets.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?


Hi,
I wants had a copy of the Alex voice that worked with Anna VDA. It wasn't a full-fledged voice though. It could read a few things, but that's about it. Really wish someone would make one that was full-fledged. If it existed, I would download it in a heartbeat.

Sent from my Apple Watch

On Dec 11, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Damien Sykes <damien@dcpendleton.plus.com> wrote:

Hi,
Are you sure it's a Vocaliser voice and not one made by Apple? Apple recently started putting their own voices onto iOS, like Alex and so on.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

I'm looking for the Siri Male iPhone voice (or its equivalent) on
Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Voices page, to use especially for reading, with
NVDA, but it's not there. Might it be that's not been added yet? It'd be
a dream come true if I could have it. Thanks for info.

--
Gera
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Re: removing avg

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Being fair, its actually not so bad, but if you cannot control it due to its inaccessibility then its really not for blind people.
I still find it astounding that so many pieces of software in mass use just do not consider blind users. as an aging population more and more computer users of today will as they age lose their sight and expect to be able to use their software, but it seems that it s just not happening.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing avg


unfortunately, i think this will be the case for me as well because it seems like a cancer on my pc, it won't remove: it has taken control over my emails too: really garbage software.

thank you again for your kind replies.

Ciao!

Angela from Italy




Il 11/12/2017 12:54, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.






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Re: iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

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What is it called, are you referring toDaniel?
I thought almost every synth had this as an option .
I have it but I find him ( John Briggs to give him his real name) Just a little too sincere!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?


I'm looking for the Siri Male iPhone voice (or its equivalent) on Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Voices page, to use especially for reading, with NVDA, but it's not there. Might it be that's not been added yet? It'd be a dream come true if I could have it. Thanks for info.

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Re: nvda unresponsiveness

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I did suggest this in my message too.

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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda unresponsiveness


Why not try out the Resource Monitor AddOn which is found on the NVDA's
AddOn page? This will be able to tell us the processor power, among
other data. For instance on my HP425 Laptop this is what it has to say;
sorry its in Spanish but...

Carga media de la CPU 50%, Núcleo 1: 71.5%, Núcleo 2: 28.6%. Física:
1.36gb de 1.75gb utilizada (78%). Virtual: 1.66gb de 3.49gb utilizada
(47.6%). Física: 1.36gb de 1.75gb utilizada (78%). Virtual: 1.66gb de
3.49gb utilizada (47.6%). and my Laptop's general specs are (this is not
reported by Resource Monitor just to let you know; this info is found by
using the Review mode within the My Computer Properties under My
Computer icon) its specs are Laptop HP 425: Procesador AMD Athlon II
D.C. P320 (2.1GHz), Memoria de 2GB DDR3, Disco Duro de 320GB, Pantalla
de 14", DVD±RW, Red Inalámbrica, Windows 7 as mentioned above, 32 Bytes.
I'm using the NVDA Vocalizer voices, thus the importance of what
synthesizer are you using? What AddOns etc?

Hope this helps some.


El 11/12/2017 a las 12:26 a.m., Gene escribió:
At this point, we don't know enough to form proper opinions or
conclusions. One thing that should be checked is whether something is
using more processor power than it should. I don't recall what
version of Windows you are running but once you tell us, people can
tell you how to see how much processor power is being used by
everything on your system in total. If the number is excessively
high, we can start looking at the amount of power individual programs
use. This problem may be the result of something using a lot of
computer resources and whatever it is may be able to be removed or
stopped if it isn't needed.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Marisane Moruthanyana <mailto:marisanem@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 12:13 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] nvda unresponsiveness

Hi Kevin

I often use internet explorer as my browser.

Yes, I sometimes use firefox, but the problem is the same.

Although I am not 100% sure, I would like to conclude that the problem
is caused by the type of processor and the speed on my machine.

Why, because on my other laptop which use intel (R(core(tm)I4 with 4GB
memory, nvda respons very well without this problem.

My new HP laptop which gives me this problem use intel (r) seleron
processor at the speed of 1.6 GHZ.

Hope you understand.

Marisane

On 12/10/17, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io
<mailto:the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>> wrote:
I only see this using firefox sometimes when arrowing down a page it
stops talking and you just have to wait I have the latest Sr of ff sorry
not sure what the latest Sr is but I got an update yesterday for the Esr
sorry I have said Sr it should have been Esr sorry.

On 10/12/2017 12:17, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
Might you have too many AddOns installed? Try running NVDA without the
AddOns: For this, NVDA+qq, and a dialogue should come up asking you
what
you want to do; among these options is Start NVDA without AddOns.
See if
this helps, to see if maybe it's an AddOn taht's causing this slowness?


El 10/12/2017 a las 03:11 a.m., Marisane Moruthanyana escribió:
Morning nvda users

I am Marisane from SA.

I have, for sometime now, been looking for your assistance regarding
nvda unresponsiveness but to no avail.

I have recently upgraded to nvda 2017.4, but the unresponsiveness
still persists.

May I know whether this may be due to my laptop's using intel seleron
processor at a speed of less than 2ghz?

Does the processor type and its speed have any impact on nvda's
functionality / dysfunctionality?

What processor and speed should one take into account when buying a
laptop so that nvda may respond positively?

I am frustrated, because this happens only with nvda and not with
jaws.

I use jaws demo as I have no licence for it to do some work on my PC,
but it responds very well that I do not have the same problems as
those with nvda.

If the processor type and its speed are the cause of nvda'
unresponsiveness, why only it and not other screen reader like jaws?

Your urgent assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

Please, please, please help, I am getting frustrated everyday.

I solely rely on nvda as my jaws is only 40 minutes.

Hope you understand.

Regards
Marisane






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Re: removing avg

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Yup, a friend of mine says the core part of it is protected so well that screenreaders cannot actually get at the controls or menus.
Increasingly, anti virus makers are doing this, probably for legitimate reasons of stopping them getting hacked but nobody seems to have thought about us. Surely a simple self voicing uninstaller using the built in Microsoft voice would be all that was needed.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] removing avg


Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.






Re: nvda google chrome and spin button edit boxes in shopping sites

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I don't know but there is also a ticket about combo boxes collapsing in Chrome and being unable to be sure what is selected too. maybe a case for Firefox portable to be on the system, ie the old version.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa-Maree" <lisa_maree@internode.on.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda google chrome and spin button edit boxes in shopping sites


Hello,
I have found that nvda does not read the number in spin button edit boxes in
google chrome, such as the ones found on shopping sites when ordering, so
that you can't check how many of each item you have ordered.

Is there a work around for this, or is this just a glitch with google
chrome?
Thanks,
Lisa-Maree




Re: malware bites question

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I personally found Superantispyware as a stand alone to be quite useful but like Malwarebytes some parts of it seem to need the object or screen navgation to always be accessible. I don't get why these companies cannot fix the bits that fail. It would make them so much easier to test and use.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question


Hi Ron,

I am using windows defender.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi Barry,


I don't know what anti virus program you are using, but with
many--particularly McAfee and Symantec products, they give a lot of
false positives. I remember when people running NVDA had all sorts of
problems with Symantec which kept eating up NVDA whenever it updated.


On 12/10/2017 8:45 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Ron,
A few months ago someone gave a link to bible seeker. I tried to install it but, it didn't install. I guess it was a virus.

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi Barry.


I have run Bible Seeker and its various components for years with no
problems. This must be a false positive.



On 12/10/2017 8:05 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net
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Re: malware bites question

Ron Canazzi
 

Windows Defender settings are totally accessible using screen readers.

On 12/11/2017 9:10 AM, Chris Chaffin wrote:
I am not running windows 10, but will be getting a new computer for Xmas. Since it looks like most of you are running Windows Defender, I am considering doing the same thing with my new computer. One question, are you able to access the options and settings in windows 10 for Windows Defender?
That is one of the main problems I have with other virus and malware programs, so I was hoping it was accessible in Windows Defender.

Thanks,
Chris


On Dec 11, 2017, at 8:20 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:

If you have the latest version of Windows 10 you don't need to run the malware program because there is built-in virus program called Windows Defender Security. If your machine seems to be infected you need to keep your virus definition up to date, then run offline to scan it. It will restart your PC and then, it will boot for couple of minutes. Once, the machine has been restarted you could check the history if the said threats were removed, or deleted.


Robert Mendoza

On 12/11/2017 8:22 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
I have Windows Defender and I do not get any warnings.



On 12/11/2017 5:20 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Ron,

I am using windows defender.

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi Barry,


I don't know what anti virus program you are using, but with
many--particularly McAfee and Symantec products, they give a lot of
false positives. I remember when people running NVDA had all sorts of
problems with Symantec which kept eating up NVDA whenever it updated.


On 12/10/2017 8:45 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Ron,
A few months ago someone gave a link to bible seeker. I tried to install it but, it didn't install. I guess it was a virus.

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi Barry.


I have run Bible Seeker and its various components for years with no
problems. This must be a false positive.



On 12/10/2017 8:05 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net

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I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: malware bites question

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I think Windows Defender and Malwarebytes have different purposes, and
should coexist. Malwarebytes is useful as an on-demand scanner. Defender
should stay in the background and protect you against viruses and the like,
but not necessarily against malware, adware, etc. Some of these programmes
are not actually dangerous, but just really annoying, and when they for
example install along with a legitimate programme, Defender will not stop
them. However, a malwarebytes scan will find all their registry entries and
help you get rid of them. I know this because this happened to me on my
Windows 10 machine. So, use 'em both, just don't worry about having
Malwarebytes run as a background process, which is not really available for
more than forty days or so in the free version anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael
Capelle
Sent: December 11, 2017 7:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

i also use win defender on my win 10 laptop, no need for malware bytes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 6:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

I have Windows Defender and I do not get any warnings.



On 12/11/2017 5:20 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Ron,

I am using windows defender.

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi Barry,


I don't know what anti virus program you are using, but with
many--particularly McAfee and Symantec products, they give a lot of
false positives. I remember when people running NVDA had all sorts of
problems with Symantec which kept eating up NVDA whenever it updated.


On 12/10/2017 8:45 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Ron,
A few months ago someone gave a link to bible seeker. I tried to
install it but, it didn't install. I guess it was a virus.

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi Barry.


I have run Bible Seeker and its various components for years with no
problems. This must be a false positive.



On 12/10/2017 8:05 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on
what to do about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do
I delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for
any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net
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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Enabling key echo in putty and editing using nano

Antony Stone
 

Can you narrow down the problem to being at your end of the connection or the
server end?

In other words, do you have this problem no matter what you are doing on the
remote machine (nano, vim, emacs, any other editor you choose; also just
generally reading console output of commands, and editing bash commads as you
type them), which would suggest it seems to be a local problem with putty, or
is the problem only when you're using nano, and it's the way that particular
application is manipulating the cursor which is causing problems (in which
case, I recommend trying vim as an alternative to see whether it works
better)?

Antony.

On Monday 11 December 2017 at 17:00:32, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi all,

I have a virtual private server in digital ocean. I am accessing this
server using putty.
1. I need to edit some configuration files. However, the cursor tracking is
inconsistent. I am unable to tell what character I am positioned on as I
used the up, down, right and left arrow keys to navigate.
2. I do not have key echo in putty. I have NVDA set to speak typed
characters.

I am using NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10.

Pranav
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