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Re: Bouncing emails.

Gene
 

Why is that uninformative?  It states what is occurring, what has been done and to follow a link which is given, to unbounce your account. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Bouncing emails.

Here's the text of the message. It's singularly uninformative.


Hello,
Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for
many reasons, including:
- We have an incorrect email address for you.
- Your account was or is full.
- Other temporary delivery issues.
We have suspended email delivery to you. This means you will no longer
receive messages from the groups you are subscribed to, including:
- nvda
You must take action to restore your account, or we will unsubscribe you
from all of the groups you are a member of.
To unbounce your account, go to the following link:
(link gibberish redacted)
Thank you,
The Groups.io Team




Re: Bouncing emails.

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

Yes. I am getting that.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Isige
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bouncing emails.

Here's the text of the message. It's singularly uninformative.


Hello,
Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for
many reasons, including:
- We have an incorrect email address for you.
- Your account was or is full.
- Other temporary delivery issues.
We have suspended email delivery to you. This means you will no longer
receive messages from the groups you are subscribed to, including:
- nvda
You must take action to restore your account, or we will unsubscribe you
from all of the groups you are a member of.
To unbounce your account, go to the following link:
(link gibberish redacted)
Thank you,
The Groups.io Team


Re: nvda google chrome and spin button edit boxes in shopping sites

Lisa-Maree
 

Hi,
Thanks for the suggestion. I do have firefox, but need chrome for some of
my work. I was just trialling whether I could move to chrome with
everything, and noticed a few differences in screen reading ability. So, the
answer is: two web browsers, just use whichever one works best at the time
for the webpage being used [smile].

With the combo boxes, I have found that if you use the numpad move to focus,
then, in object view, focus on the combo box with nvda key and numpad 5,
press numpad enter, you can open it, then, use 4 or 6 to go to what you want
in the box, press mumpad enter, and it will be selected. Just a bit of
useful finding, simply by accident while fiddling around.

Hope that helps someone [smile].

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 4:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda google chrome and spin button edit boxes in
shopping sites

I don't know but there is also a ticket about combo boxes collapsing in
Chrome and being unable to be sure what is selected too. maybe a case for
Firefox portable to be on the system, ie the old version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa-Maree" <lisa_maree@internode.on.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda google chrome and spin button edit boxes in shopping
sites


Hello,
I have found that nvda does not read the number in spin button edit
boxes in google chrome, such as the ones found on shopping sites when
ordering, so that you can't check how many of each item you have
ordered.

Is there a work around for this, or is this just a glitch with google
chrome?
Thanks,
Lisa-Maree





Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

Hi,

Slow ring: 99% of the content will apply to 1709 as well as on Insider builds.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott VanDeWalle
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

Hey Joseph.

I’m interested to know if one is on the insider slow ring, can I still benefit from this new tutorial you are wishing to do?

If not, I will re install the official build.

Also I’m currently going through some of the sections on the last one, and I’m wondering why I didn’t do this before, I’m sure I’ll learn some new stuff.  Smile

Ttyl

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 7:43:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

Hi all, mostly for Brian,

If you want to get a “preview” of what I’m thinking of doing, take a look at Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials), especially the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to what the “tutorial set” could sound like.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as accomodating new users might be for more experienced users.  I would suggest doing what I do in tutorials.  I have the speech speak at a good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced listener will know what has been said.  I haven't done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc.  I repeat everything that matters so users can tell what they need to know.  My system accomodates both new and experienced synthesized speech users..

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major  upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


> Dear global NVDA community,
>
>
>
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
> tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
> edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
> there
> are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
> Training
> module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
> tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
>
>
>
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
>
> http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
>
>
>
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
> some conditions:
>
>
>
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
> snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
> I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
> to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
> demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
>
>
>
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
> I
> should do it:
>
>
>
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
> recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
> command
> line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
> Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
> command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
> others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
> especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
> Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
> and
> elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
> including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
> Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
> and what not.
>
>
>
> Comments are appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>


Bouncing emails.

John Isige
 

Here's the text of the message. It's singularly uninformative.


Hello,
Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for many reasons, including:
- We have an incorrect email address for you.
- Your account was or is full.
- Other temporary delivery issues.
We have suspended email delivery to you. This means you will no longer receive messages from the groups you are subscribed to, including:
- nvda
You must take action to restore your account, or we will unsubscribe you from all of the groups you are a member of.
To unbounce your account, go to the following link:
(link gibberish redacted)
Thank you,
The Groups.io Team


Re: bounce

John Isige
 

The message basically just says email's bouncing, it could be because your inbox is or was full or some other sort of delivery problem, so it's stopped sending mail and if it keeps happening you'll be unsubscribed from all groups.io groups. Then there's a link to unbounce. Happened to me twice in the last week.

On 12/11/2017 17:59, Antony Stone wrote:
Forward the message/s here so we can see exactly what they say, and we might
be able to help.

Otherwise we'd just be guessing, and that's no use to anyone.

Antony.

On Monday 11 December 2017 at 23:02:35, Holger Fiallo wrote:

Got 2 emails saying my group is unbouncing. What is going on with this?


Holger Fiallo


Re: Urgently need help (NVDA & Vocalizer addon.

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

I also have run in to this problem.
How can we just get rid of the driver for vocalize?
I installed the driver thinking I could  have  used one of the voices as a trial.

Then I figured out we can not just try it, and get the error message the vocalize driver can't be loaded, you have to have one of the voices installed.
think I made an error.
 
 
 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of prem.translator@...
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Urgently need help (NVDA & Vocalizer addon.

I still unable to use vocalizer driver. Everytime I run NVDA, the vocalizer driver will launch immediately about 10 windows, There is no way to fix. I can't restart my computer, can't press the start menu, etc. One thing I can do is to hold down the power button and press it again to turn on.

Things I already did:

- Uninstalled NVDA and delete its folder in %appdata%,
- reinstalled it,
- After restarting, I installed Vocalizer driver and voices,
- Then restart NVDA again, and everything was the same,
- Then I remember that I have  portable NVDA with the same vocalizer in my D:,
- I tried to go to D:\Portable NVDA\userConfig\addons, and manually delete the vocalizer expressive driver,
- After that, go to %appdata%, and delete vocalizer driver addon,
- reinstalled it, and everything was the same.


Re: bounce

Antony Stone
 

Forward the message/s here so we can see exactly what they say, and we might
be able to help.

Otherwise we'd just be guessing, and that's no use to anyone.

Antony.

On Monday 11 December 2017 at 23:02:35, Holger Fiallo wrote:

Got 2 emails saying my group is unbouncing. What is going on with this?


Holger Fiallo
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Re: iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

mattias
 

Brian

Maybe i’m are tired

But

John? Wich tts voice are that?

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Gerardo Corripio
Skickat: den 11 december 2017 19:19
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

 

The voice in question is Aaron. Does that ring a bell?

 

 

El 11/12/2017 a las 11:33 a.m., Damien Sykes escribió:

> Hi,

> Daniel's a UK voice, I'm pretty sure Gerardo specified a US voice. The

> only US voice that I can think of off the top of my head that wouldn't

> be in the Vocaliser list is Alex, because he's a voice made by Apple.

> A lot of people seem to like him because he not only talks but he

> breathes as well...Very novel for a TTS voice I must say!

> But yeah. If it's the breathing one you're after, that's Alex and

> you'll be very lucky if Technotiflia will distribute that. Even

> assuming they have even a slim chance of obtaining a developer

> licence, it would then need to be ported for Windows and...Ugh. I

> certainly wouldn't relish the thought of doing all that!

> Cheers.

> Damien.

> -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:23 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with

> NVDA?

> What is it called, are you referring toDaniel?

> I thought almost every synth had this as an option .

> I have it but I find him ( John Briggs to give him his real name) Just a

> little too sincere!

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal email to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio"

> <gera1027@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:25 PM

> Subject: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

>> I'm looking for the Siri Male iPhone voice (or its equivalent) on

>> Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Voices page, to use especially for reading,

>> with NVDA, but it's not there. Might it be that's not been added yet?

>> It'd be a dream come true if I could have it. Thanks for info.

>> 

>> --

>> Gera

>> Enviado desde Thunderbird

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

--

Gera

Enviado desde Thunderbird

 

 

 

 


Re: bounce

Gene
 

This group or another?  I have almost never dealt with a bouncing problem on Groups.io so I don't know what comes in the message.  Is there a link to unbounce?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] bounce

Got 2 emails saying my group is unbouncing. What is going on with this?


Holger Fiallo


Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hey Joseph.

I’m interested to know if one is on the insider slow ring, can I still benefit from this new tutorial you are wishing to do?

If not, I will re install the official build.

Also I’m currently going through some of the sections on the last one, and I’m wondering why I didn’t do this before, I’m sure I’ll learn some new stuff.  Smile

Ttyl

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 7:43:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
 

Hi all, mostly for Brian,

If you want to get a “preview” of what I’m thinking of doing, take a look at Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials), especially the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to what the “tutorial set” could sound like.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as accomodating new users might be for more experienced users.  I would suggest doing what I do in tutorials.  I have the speech speak at a good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced listener will know what has been said.  I haven't done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc.  I repeat everything that matters so users can tell what they need to know.  My system accomodates both new and experienced synthesized speech users..

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major  upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


> Dear global NVDA community,
>
>
>
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
> tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
> edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
> there
> are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
> Training
> module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
> tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
>
>
>
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
>
> http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
>
>
>
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
> some conditions:
>
>
>
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
> snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
> I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
> to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
> demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
>
>
>
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
> I
> should do it:
>
>
>
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
> recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
> command
> line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
> Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
> command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
> others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
> especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
> Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
> and
> elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
> including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
> Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
> and what not.
>
>
>
> Comments are appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>



Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Kevin Cussick
 

As Joseph has said listen to his last podcast I would say this is as slow as I would like it and no slower. but I listen at very fast speeds and this is how I work I would be there for ever listening at the default speed say with espeak.

On 11/12/2017 09:37, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.I wrote:
What is too slow though? Certainly the gabble rate is far too fast for me and I've been using screenreaders for many years.
Also as to many you will be using an unfamiliar voice it pays to be careful.
Maybe we need to find a test of some sort.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io" <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Yes,  agreed to slow would turn off most of the users I think.

On 10/12/2017 00:37, Gene wrote:
I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as accomodating new users might be for more experienced users. I would suggest doing what I do in tutorials. I have the speech speak at a good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced listener will know what has been said. I haven't done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc. I repeat everything that matters so users can tell what they need to know. My system accomodates both new and experienced synthesized speech users..
Gene
----- Original Message -----
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.
 Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


 > Dear global NVDA community,
 >
 >
 >
 > After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
 > tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
 > edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
 > there
 > are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
 > Training
 > module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
 > tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
 >
 >
 >
 > For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
 >
 > http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
 >
 >
 >
 > If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
 > some conditions:
 >
 >
 >
 > * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
 > snapshot features.
 > * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
 > * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
 > I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
 > * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
 > to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
 > * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
 > demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
 >
 >
 >
 > Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
 > I
 > should do it:
 >
 >
 >
 > * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
 > * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
 > recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
 > command
 > line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
 > Controlled Folder Access.
 > * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
 > command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
 > others.
 > * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
 > especially more universal app examples.
 > * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
 > Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
 > and
 > elements list improvements.
 > * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
 > * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
 > including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
 > * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
 > * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
 > Remote Support add-on.
 > * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
 > and what not.
 >
 >
 >
 > Comments are appreciated.
 >
 > Cheers,
 >
 > Joseph
 >
 >





Re: screen review commands not working for me

Scott VanDeWalle
 

They work for me if I am using object review and not screen review

Hth

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...>
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:20:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
 
When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely
different line.  Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The
tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.

On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
> What do you mean when you say they don't work?  Assuming the commands
> are doing something, what are they doing?
> Gene
> ----- original Message -----
> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
>
> I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
> directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
> It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad and
> was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.
>
> Screen review commands
> Note the pattern as I give these commands:
> Read previous line, numpad 7.
> Read current line, numpad 8.
> Read next line, numpad nine.
> You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
> those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
> or bottom of the screen.
> Read previous word, numpad 4.
> Read current word, numpad 5.
> Read next word, numpad 6.
> Read previous character, numpad 1.
> Read current character, numpad 2.
> Read next character, numpad 3.
> Note the pattern:
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>
>




bounce

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

Got 2 emails saying my group is unbouncing. What is going on with this?


Holger Fiallo


Re: safe mode

Kwork
 


Gene, I agree with you. Even after people know, I don't understand why people won't change the 0 to a 1 at the end of the dl= part of the dropbox link. With the dropbox site changing frequently, and the download link not always being obvious to screenreader users while on the page, the dl=1 avoids that completely.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

there is a lot of confusion when links are used with 0 instead of 1.  There are a lot of different knowledge and skill levels when using the Internet.  I see lots of confusion whenever people send drop box links to e-mail lists of blind users with 0 used as the end number.  1 should be used to avoid this confusion.  I'm not discussing what can be done to download if the number is 0.  I'm discussing the result of doing so.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Hi


it is just as easy to find the link then use the applications key then if using mozilla fire fox arrow down to save link as then press the enter key.


it will then give you the option to save it to where you want then save it to your pc. If internet exploder it will be save target as etc.


That is the way i usually do it on all files it may depend if you press the enter key on it wheather it gives you the option to open or save as well.

This may be on other websites.


Gene nz



On 12/12/2017 9:49 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't remember what happens if the download link has a 0 at the end.  A page comes up and there is some way to download.  But that isn't the main point.  If you change the 0 to a 1, following the link causes a download to begin without showing any page, as a standard download link does.  1 should be used to avoid confusion.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Hi


I will go back and check to make sure i put the message there i might of just said tested on a windows 7 and 10 machine with various sound cards. easy to amend later on.


When you click on the drop box link unless they have changed it you need to change the mode .


I just had a quick look and the first page says about signing up to a drop box account so you go to the bottom of it and say no and continue. the next screen that comes up will give you the options to download and play a file. I think you have to change modes to see the options or when it just goes into this screen press the tab key then change mode.


Then it is a matter of locating those sections.


The other way if i remember right is locate the link on the page press the applications key arrow down to either save target as or save link as . A save dialogue box will come up. make sure it says the file name as in most cases it is mp3 then save to some where easy to find.


I do have a drop box account but i am guessing this is what others see as well?


I could add directions up there or do a audio file if needed to new users?



I am wondering also I think it was Brian said it did not work did he apply the settings first before he pressed enter on the ok button. Otherwise it may not have done it I am guessing.

he needs to do it both times I could ad in about it but i usually look for ther buttons just in case like that.


By the way it was uploaded last night but will let list know of other stuff that went up later on today.


gene nz



On 12/12/2017 12:40 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Gene,
That's looks good and simple.
If you like to change the number "0" at the end of the DropBox link
into "1" that would  make it downloadable without having to log in to
dropbox, some people don't have a dropbox account.
also if you like to put a notice that it's not been tested with all
sound card drivers, so its better to test it if sighted person around.
BTW I have tested it with NVDA remote auto connect enabled, on the PC
needs troubleshooting, of course that needs a few arrow downs in the
boot page at the selection boot page to high lite the checked
"network" option before reboot into safe mode.
and that is 100% working tested a lot by me, sense the PC to be
controlled doesn't need working sound card for that.



On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not
upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?



How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader
by Hareth  and co
What is safe mode?
Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer
in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run
Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with
programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent
Windows from starting correctly.

To use NVDA in safe mode

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0


After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This
has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few
different sound cards.

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter
Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"
Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.
Tab to "base video" and check it as well.
Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the
computer to apply the changes.
If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into
safe mode,  you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.
Message you will get while in safe mode
To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below
is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.
Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
Safe Mode



After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,
but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and
base video;  and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal
mode.



On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
 telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before  they really
need to preform a task on it when problems  happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
 code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name  as
in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be  better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage  with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at  the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: safe mode

Gene
 

there is a lot of confusion when links are used with 0 instead of 1.  There are a lot of different knowledge and skill levels when using the Internet.  I see lots of confusion whenever people send drop box links to e-mail lists of blind users with 0 used as the end number.  1 should be used to avoid this confusion.  I'm not discussing what can be done to download if the number is 0.  I'm discussing the result of doing so.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Hi


it is just as easy to find the link then use the applications key then if using mozilla fire fox arrow down to save link as then press the enter key.


it will then give you the option to save it to where you want then save it to your pc. If internet exploder it will be save target as etc.


That is the way i usually do it on all files it may depend if you press the enter key on it wheather it gives you the option to open or save as well.

This may be on other websites.


Gene nz



On 12/12/2017 9:49 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't remember what happens if the download link has a 0 at the end.  A page comes up and there is some way to download.  But that isn't the main point.  If you change the 0 to a 1, following the link causes a download to begin without showing any page, as a standard download link does.  1 should be used to avoid confusion.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Hi


I will go back and check to make sure i put the message there i might of just said tested on a windows 7 and 10 machine with various sound cards. easy to amend later on.


When you click on the drop box link unless they have changed it you need to change the mode .


I just had a quick look and the first page says about signing up to a drop box account so you go to the bottom of it and say no and continue. the next screen that comes up will give you the options to download and play a file. I think you have to change modes to see the options or when it just goes into this screen press the tab key then change mode.


Then it is a matter of locating those sections.


The other way if i remember right is locate the link on the page press the applications key arrow down to either save target as or save link as . A save dialogue box will come up. make sure it says the file name as in most cases it is mp3 then save to some where easy to find.


I do have a drop box account but i am guessing this is what others see as well?


I could add directions up there or do a audio file if needed to new users?



I am wondering also I think it was Brian said it did not work did he apply the settings first before he pressed enter on the ok button. Otherwise it may not have done it I am guessing.

he needs to do it both times I could ad in about it but i usually look for ther buttons just in case like that.


By the way it was uploaded last night but will let list know of other stuff that went up later on today.


gene nz



On 12/12/2017 12:40 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Gene,
That's looks good and simple.
If you like to change the number "0" at the end of the DropBox link
into "1" that would  make it downloadable without having to log in to
dropbox, some people don't have a dropbox account.
also if you like to put a notice that it's not been tested with all
sound card drivers, so its better to test it if sighted person around.
BTW I have tested it with NVDA remote auto connect enabled, on the PC
needs troubleshooting, of course that needs a few arrow downs in the
boot page at the selection boot page to high lite the checked
"network" option before reboot into safe mode.
and that is 100% working tested a lot by me, sense the PC to be
controlled doesn't need working sound card for that.



On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not
upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?



How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader
by Hareth  and co
What is safe mode?
Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer
in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run
Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with
programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent
Windows from starting correctly.

To use NVDA in safe mode

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0


After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This
has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few
different sound cards.

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter
Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"
Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.
Tab to "base video" and check it as well.
Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the
computer to apply the changes.
If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into
safe mode,  you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.
Message you will get while in safe mode
To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below
is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.
Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
Safe Mode



After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,
but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and
base video;  and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal
mode.



On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
 telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before  they really
need to preform a task on it when problems  happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
 code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name  as
in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be  better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage  with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at  the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: safe mode

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


it is just as easy to find the link then use the applications key then if using mozilla fire fox arrow down to save link as then press the enter key.


it will then give you the option to save it to where you want then save it to your pc. If internet exploder it will be save target as etc.


That is the way i usually do it on all files it may depend if you press the enter key on it wheather it gives you the option to open or save as well.

This may be on other websites.


Gene nz



On 12/12/2017 9:49 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't remember what happens if the download link has a 0 at the end.  A page comes up and there is some way to download.  But that isn't the main point.  If you change the 0 to a 1, following the link causes a download to begin without showing any page, as a standard download link does.  1 should be used to avoid confusion.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Hi


I will go back and check to make sure i put the message there i might of just said tested on a windows 7 and 10 machine with various sound cards. easy to amend later on.


When you click on the drop box link unless they have changed it you need to change the mode .


I just had a quick look and the first page says about signing up to a drop box account so you go to the bottom of it and say no and continue. the next screen that comes up will give you the options to download and play a file. I think you have to change modes to see the options or when it just goes into this screen press the tab key then change mode.


Then it is a matter of locating those sections.


The other way if i remember right is locate the link on the page press the applications key arrow down to either save target as or save link as . A save dialogue box will come up. make sure it says the file name as in most cases it is mp3 then save to some where easy to find.


I do have a drop box account but i am guessing this is what others see as well?


I could add directions up there or do a audio file if needed to new users?



I am wondering also I think it was Brian said it did not work did he apply the settings first before he pressed enter on the ok button. Otherwise it may not have done it I am guessing.

he needs to do it both times I could ad in about it but i usually look for ther buttons just in case like that.


By the way it was uploaded last night but will let list know of other stuff that went up later on today.


gene nz



On 12/12/2017 12:40 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Gene,
That's looks good and simple.
If you like to change the number "0" at the end of the DropBox link
into "1" that would  make it downloadable without having to log in to
dropbox, some people don't have a dropbox account.
also if you like to put a notice that it's not been tested with all
sound card drivers, so its better to test it if sighted person around.
BTW I have tested it with NVDA remote auto connect enabled, on the PC
needs troubleshooting, of course that needs a few arrow downs in the
boot page at the selection boot page to high lite the checked
"network" option before reboot into safe mode.
and that is 100% working tested a lot by me, sense the PC to be
controlled doesn't need working sound card for that.



On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not
upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?



How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader
by Hareth  and co
What is safe mode?
Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer
in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run
Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with
programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent
Windows from starting correctly.

To use NVDA in safe mode

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0


After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This
has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few
different sound cards.

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter
Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"
Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.
Tab to "base video" and check it as well.
Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the
computer to apply the changes.
If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into
safe mode,  you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.
Message you will get while in safe mode
To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below
is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.
Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
Safe Mode



After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,
but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and
base video;  and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal
mode.



On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
 telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before  they really
need to preform a task on it when problems  happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
 code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name  as
in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be  better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage  with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at  the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Question about converting pdf files to csv

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Jessica,

I just succeeded in converting a PDF file into CSV with the following steps:
1. Open the PDF file with Microsoft Word:
Press the Application key and ignore the "Open with adobe" and go on down to "Open with " and press right-arrow and then down-arrow to "Word" and press Enter.

2. Let Word open and press "OK" on all announcements that appear. Then press control+Home to move to the top of the open document followed by control+shift+End to highlight everything. Then press control+c to copy all to the clipboard.

3. Open Excel. An empty worksheet should appear. Make sure you are in cell "A1". Then press control+v to paste the contents of the clipboard into the open worksheet. Make sure the file looks right to you at this stage just in case you need to correct anything.

4. Press the following sequence of keystrokes (one after the other):
alt>f>a>o
The traditional "Save As" dialog will appear. Change the type of file to
"CSV (Comma delimited) (*.csv)"
and the job is done!

Sorry if my instructions are too detailed. I don't know how familiar you are with keystroke control.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 6:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about converting pdf files to csv

Hi,


Try this online converter and see if it works. I haven't used it in some time but they're still around converting files.


www.zamzar.com/convert/pdf-to-csv/


Tony


On 12/8/2017 12:57 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
I need to convert pdf files to csv.
what's the best, and most accessible way to do this?

Thanks,
Jessica


Re: safe mode

Gene
 

I don't remember what happens if the download link has a 0 at the end.  A page comes up and there is some way to download.  But that isn't the main point.  If you change the 0 to a 1, following the link causes a download to begin without showing any page, as a standard download link does.  1 should be used to avoid confusion.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Hi


I will go back and check to make sure i put the message there i might of just said tested on a windows 7 and 10 machine with various sound cards. easy to amend later on.


When you click on the drop box link unless they have changed it you need to change the mode .


I just had a quick look and the first page says about signing up to a drop box account so you go to the bottom of it and say no and continue. the next screen that comes up will give you the options to download and play a file. I think you have to change modes to see the options or when it just goes into this screen press the tab key then change mode.


Then it is a matter of locating those sections.


The other way if i remember right is locate the link on the page press the applications key arrow down to either save target as or save link as . A save dialogue box will come up. make sure it says the file name as in most cases it is mp3 then save to some where easy to find.


I do have a drop box account but i am guessing this is what others see as well?


I could add directions up there or do a audio file if needed to new users?



I am wondering also I think it was Brian said it did not work did he apply the settings first before he pressed enter on the ok button. Otherwise it may not have done it I am guessing.

he needs to do it both times I could ad in about it but i usually look for ther buttons just in case like that.


By the way it was uploaded last night but will let list know of other stuff that went up later on today.


gene nz



On 12/12/2017 12:40 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Gene,
That's looks good and simple.
If you like to change the number "0" at the end of the DropBox link
into "1" that would  make it downloadable without having to log in to
dropbox, some people don't have a dropbox account.
also if you like to put a notice that it's not been tested with all
sound card drivers, so its better to test it if sighted person around.
BTW I have tested it with NVDA remote auto connect enabled, on the PC
needs troubleshooting, of course that needs a few arrow downs in the
boot page at the selection boot page to high lite the checked
"network" option before reboot into safe mode.
and that is 100% working tested a lot by me, sense the PC to be
controlled doesn't need working sound card for that.



On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not
upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?



How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader
by Hareth  and co
What is safe mode?
Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer
in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run
Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with
programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent
Windows from starting correctly.

To use NVDA in safe mode

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0


After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This
has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few
different sound cards.

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter
Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"
Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.
Tab to "base video" and check it as well.
Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the
computer to apply the changes.
If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into
safe mode,  you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.
Message you will get while in safe mode
To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below
is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.
Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
Safe Mode



After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,
but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and
base video;  and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal
mode.



On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
 telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before  they really
need to preform a task on it when problems  happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
 code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name  as
in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be  better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage  with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at  the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: safe mode

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I will go back and check to make sure i put the message there i might of just said tested on a windows 7 and 10 machine with various sound cards. easy to amend later on.


When you click on the drop box link unless they have changed it you need to change the mode .


I just had a quick look and the first page says about signing up to a drop box account so you go to the bottom of it and say no and continue. the next screen that comes up will give you the options to download and play a file. I think you have to change modes to see the options or when it just goes into this screen press the tab key then change mode.


Then it is a matter of locating those sections.


The other way if i remember right is locate the link on the page press the applications key arrow down to either save target as or save link as . A save dialogue box will come up. make sure it says the file name as in most cases it is mp3 then save to some where easy to find.


I do have a drop box account but i am guessing this is what others see as well?


I could add directions up there or do a audio file if needed to new users?



I am wondering also I think it was Brian said it did not work did he apply the settings first before he pressed enter on the ok button. Otherwise it may not have done it I am guessing.

he needs to do it both times I could ad in about it but i usually look for ther buttons just in case like that.


By the way it was uploaded last night but will let list know of other stuff that went up later on today.


gene nz



On 12/12/2017 12:40 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Gene,
That's looks good and simple.
If you like to change the number "0" at the end of the DropBox link
into "1" that would  make it downloadable without having to log in to
dropbox, some people don't have a dropbox account.
also if you like to put a notice that it's not been tested with all
sound card drivers, so its better to test it if sighted person around.
BTW I have tested it with NVDA remote auto connect enabled, on the PC
needs troubleshooting, of course that needs a few arrow downs in the
boot page at the selection boot page to high lite the checked
"network" option before reboot into safe mode.
and that is 100% working tested a lot by me, sense the PC to be
controlled doesn't need working sound card for that.



On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not
upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?



How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader
by Hareth  and co
What is safe mode?
Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer
in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run
Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with
programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent
Windows from starting correctly.

To use NVDA in safe mode

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0


After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This
has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few
different sound cards.

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter
Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"
Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.
Tab to "base video" and check it as well.
Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the
computer to apply the changes.
If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into
safe mode,  you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.
Message you will get while in safe mode
To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below
is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.
Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
Safe Mode



After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,
but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and
base video;  and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal
mode.



On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
 telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before  they really
need to preform a task on it when problems  happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
 code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name  as
in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be  better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage  with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at  the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





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Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.