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Re: Parenthesis

Gene
 

this just proves my point.  I was reading your message with punctuation completely off.  It read completely legibly.  I didn't hear two pluses because punctuation off meant I didn't hear the plus sign and I didn't hear the punctuation.  I simply hear the one written out word plus and the sentence read just as it should.  Don't worry about altering common practices in writing.  Blind people read writing all over constantly that is written using all common conventions.  the blind person must learn to understand what is being read.  When reading material, the blind person is constantly reading material written for sighted readers and must understand the conventions. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

No, actually, I can’t. I work on a contract with the United States Government, so I only have on the computer what I am given, and that does not include any screen-reading software. I am sighted. I write help manuals and help files for software that other people write. I have sentences like this:

 

The second zoom method is to hold the control key while pressing + (plus) to zoom in or while pressing – (minus) to zoom out.

 

To a sighted person, the word “plus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows is a plus symbol, just as the word “minus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows in a minus symbol and not a hyphen or an em-dash or some other symbol. I literally need to know how your screen reader treats words or phrases that are in parenthesis so I can write to take your perception into account. The example above, combined with the previous example I gave will help a lot.

 

Tonea (by the way, it is pronounced Toe knee uh, with the accent on the knee.)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

 

Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself?

 

Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it.

 

 

Antony.

 

Re: Parenthesis

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

No, actually, I can’t. I work on a contract with the United States Government, so I only have on the computer what I am given, and that does not include any screen-reading software. I am sighted. I write help manuals and help files for software that other people write. I have sentences like this:

 

The second zoom method is to hold the control key while pressing + (plus) to zoom in or while pressing – (minus) to zoom out.

 

To a sighted person, the word “plus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows is a plus symbol, just as the word “minus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows in a minus symbol and not a hyphen or an em-dash or some other symbol. I literally need to know how your screen reader treats words or phrases that are in parenthesis so I can write to take your perception into account. The example above, combined with the previous example I gave will help a lot.

 

Tonea (by the way, it is pronounced Toe knee uh, with the accent on the knee.)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

 

Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself?

 

Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it.

 

 

Antony.

 

Re: Parenthesis

Brian Moore
 

Hi.  Depends on how the user has their punctuation level set.

For example, for reading email, I have most of mine off so I had to go and manually look at what was written to figure out where they were.

I believe the default for most screen readers is to have more punctuation spoken than I have so they would hear it.

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On 12/12/2017 11:12 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.

 

Thanks!

 

Tonea

 


Re: Parenthesis

Gene
 

It depends on how the individual user has punctuation set in the screen-reader.  Just use parenthesis as you would generally.  It's up to the user to set the screen-reader as desired and to understand what will and won't be heard.  Usually, items in parenthesis are understandable as peripheral comments from context.  Sighted readers reading audio books don't give pronunciation and other such marks, the context is clear without them.  If the blind person is in a situation where the person is uncertain, it's the person's responsibility to check what is being read for punctuation if the person has punctuation turned off in the screen-reader. 
 
Accessibility means making things accessible.  It doesn't mean compensating for the user's responsibilities.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis

How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.

 

Thanks!

 

Tonea

 

I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as

Gerardo Corripio
 

Using NVDA's Vocalizer, where or how would I make NVDA to read this Mxn$3800 as 3800 Mexican pesos? I ask this because when typing in for instance USD$230 it reads exactly right as I'd like for the Mexican currency to read. I tried putting into the pronounciation dictionary but it didn't work. any ideas?

--
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird

Re: Parenthesis

Antony Stone
 

Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text
editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for
yourself?

Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies
according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get
different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each
person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to
it.


Antony.

On Tuesday 12 December 2017 at 17:12:36, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech?
How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant)
is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience
will hear it, both literally and figuratively.

Thanks!

Tonea
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Parenthesis

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.

 

Thanks!

 

Tonea

 

Re: win10 essentials add-on update?

Chris
 

Look under nvda setting > preferences > windows  10 app essentials

 

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 12 December 2017 15:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] win10 essentials add-on update?

 

Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this

add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the

update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort of

update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that add-on

from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is there a

recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons manager?

 

 

Mary

 

 

 

 

Re: win10 essentials add-on update?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Wonderful! Glad that I could help.
 
Happy holidays!
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] win10 essentials add-on update?

Thanks. I looked on the add-ons page under that app and found the explanation about the win10 app essentials in the NVDA prefs menu. Update installed without a problem.


Mary


On 12/12/2017 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Actually, if you go into your NVDA menu with NVDA+N, then up arrow, you should eventually see Win 10 Essentials. If you go in there, there should be a button to check for updates.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: [nvda] win10 essentials add-on update?

Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this
add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the
update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort of
update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that add-on
from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is there a
recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons manager?


Mary




Re: win10 essentials add-on update?

Mary Otten
 

Thanks. I looked on the add-ons page under that app and found the explanation about the win10 app essentials in the NVDA prefs menu. Update installed without a problem.


Mary


On 12/12/2017 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Actually, if you go into your NVDA menu with NVDA+N, then up arrow, you should eventually see Win 10 Essentials. If you go in there, there should be a button to check for updates.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: [nvda] win10 essentials add-on update?

Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this
add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the
update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort of
update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that add-on
from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is there a
recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons manager?


Mary




Re: win10 essentials add-on update?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Actually, if you go into your NVDA menu with NVDA+N, then up arrow, you should eventually see Win 10 Essentials. If you go in there, there should be a button to check for updates.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: [nvda] win10 essentials add-on update?

Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this
add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the
update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort of
update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that add-on
from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is there a
recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons manager?


Mary



win10 essentials add-on update?

Mary Otten
 

Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort of update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that add-on from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is there a recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons manager?


Mary

Re: Urgently need help (NVDA & Vocalizer addon.

Rui Fontes
 

Go to NVDA menu, Tools, Addons manager and remove the addon...


Rui



Às 00:48 de 12/12/2017, Karim Lakhani escreveu:

I also have run in to this problem.
How can we just get rid of the driver for vocalize?
I installed the driver thinking I could  have  used one of the voices as a trial.

Then I figured out we can not just try it, and get the error message the vocalize driver can't be loaded, you have to have one of the voices installed.
think I made an error.
 
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of prem.translator@...
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Urgently need help (NVDA & Vocalizer addon.

I still unable to use vocalizer driver. Everytime I run NVDA, the vocalizer driver will launch immediately about 10 windows, There is no way to fix. I can't restart my computer, can't press the start menu, etc. One thing I can do is to hold down the power button and press it again to turn on.

Things I already did:

- Uninstalled NVDA and delete its folder in %appdata%,
- reinstalled it,
- After restarting, I installed Vocalizer driver and voices,
- Then restart NVDA again, and everything was the same,
- Then I remember that I have  portable NVDA with the same vocalizer in my D:,
- I tried to go to D:\Portable NVDA\userConfig\addons, and manually delete the vocalizer expressive driver,
- After that, go to %appdata%, and delete vocalizer driver addon,
- reinstalled it, and everything was the same.
 

Re: Survey: Preferred Help Format

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

Given that just about all computer users know how to navigate HTML pages, since that’s what we all do on the Internet, maybe that is a better option.

As for CHM, which several people here have mentioned, I admit I hadn’t heard of it till I read this thread, as I’m not very tech-savvy. But it’s possible that at some point I have read a CHM help file without realizing what it was.

If you want these help files to be used by people without much technical knowledge, they’re probably better off with something they are familiar with, and, as I mentioned, all of us are familiar with HTML, unless we are very new to using computers in the first place.

Just my two cents’ worth, but each to their own opinion on this!

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes
Sent: lundi 11 décembre 2017 19:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format

 

Hi,

I know how to use CHM. But it seems that the CHM viewer is deteriorating. It’s not that we don’t know how to use it (granted there may be some who don’t), but my friend can’t read content in CHM documents that I compile (the actual HTML content is just showing a blank page for him on every item), and it seems to be the 64-bit version of the viewer gives me a treeview of items that NVDA reads as “unknown”. I find the index useful in large programming references and such, but usually a table of contents suggests a recommended order to read something in. And that’s fairly hard if all you have is a treeview with a bunch of items that read as “unknown” and that can’t even differentiate whether an item is opened, closed or on its own...I only ever had that problem since switching to 64-bit Windows. On 32-bit, I could read CHM files with absolutely no issues whatsoever.

Cheers.
Damien.

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format

 

I haven't used PDF to any extent.  Isn't HTML mostly used now?  Whatever the case, if people have problems using CHM, that's another instance of poor instruction or of people picking up Windows and other learning not in an organized manner.  CHM is just as easy to use as HTML if you know how to use it.  I won't go into how to use it in this message, but it's a question of knowing  how to use it.  and knowing how to work with a treeview, an essential piece of knowledge for CHM help, is important to know in other contexts.  I'm not blaming people for not knowing how to use CHM help for whatever reason or reasons.  But it is worth knowing. 

 

CHM not only has a contents treeview, it has a search function and an index function as well.  I run into a CHM help system now and then and it is an advantage for blind people to know how to use it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:35 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format

 

Hi,

 

Perhaps either the .chm or .html versions would be best because they are what we as blind users are most familiar with. If I had to choose one over the other though, the .chm file version was good for me for the longest time and it's more of a preference thing than anything else.  you get use to the .html version eventually.

 

Tony

 

On 12/11/2017 9:44 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

My team hasn’t told me which help format we will be using for the online help. So, I thought I’d ask a little survey:

 

Which online help system do you prefer to use and a brief why, a.k.a. does one grant you more opportunities than another or is one more difficult with which to make a screen reader work?:

<!--[if !supportLists]-->A)      <!--[endif]-->Win Help (chm): old-style windows help system with a content tree on the left, a large pane containing information filling the right and center areas, and a header across the top with forward, backward type buttons.

<!--[if !supportLists]-->B)      <!--[endif]-->HTML Help: the design is similar to Win Help, but the whole thing runs in a web browser—whichever one is your default browswer.

<!--[if !supportLists]-->C)      <!--[endif]-->PDF – Portable Document Format with proper tags.

 

 

Re: Survey: Preferred Help Format

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think the problem with some forms of help using the split screen method is that sometimes the layout of help is not that optimal and you have to keep going back and forth to see if what you want is under some other heading.
Of course you need to do this too in html help but you are saved the irritation of switching panels all the time, you just go back to the main index in the page.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format


I haven't used PDF to any extent. Isn't HTML mostly used now? Whatever the case, if people have problems using CHM, that's another instance of poor instruction or of people picking up Windows and other learning not in an organized manner. CHM is just as easy to use as HTML if you know how to use it. I won't go into how to use it in this message, but it's a question of knowing how to use it. and knowing how to work with a treeview, an essential piece of knowledge for CHM help, is important to know in other contexts. I'm not blaming people for not knowing how to use CHM help for whatever reason or reasons. But it is worth knowing.

CHM not only has a contents treeview, it has a search function and an index function as well. I run into a CHM help system now and then and it is an advantage for blind people to know how to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format


Hi,




Perhaps either the .chm or .html versions would be best because they are what we as blind users are most familiar with. If I had to choose one over the other though, the .chm file version was good for me for the longest time and it's more of a preference thing than anything else. you get use to the .html version eventually.




Tony




On 12/11/2017 9:44 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

My team hasn’t told me which help format we will be using for the online help. So, I thought I’d ask a little survey:



Which online help system do you prefer to use and a brief why, a.k.a. does one grant you more opportunities than another or is one more difficult with which to make a screen reader work?:

<!--[if !supportLists]-->A) <!--[endif]-->Win Help (chm): old-style windows help system with a content tree on the left, a large pane containing information filling the right and center areas, and a header across the top with forward, backward type buttons.

<!--[if !supportLists]-->B) <!--[endif]-->HTML Help: the design is similar to Win Help, but the whole thing runs in a web browser—whichever one is your default browswer.

<!--[if !supportLists]-->C) <!--[endif]-->PDF – Portable Document Format with proper tags.

Re: Strange isue when browsing webpages

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Yes I think either some web sites do not use this properly or the browser gets it wrong.
Brian

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From: "Dr. arvind singh brar" <@Arvind>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange isue when browsing webpages


I was able to resolve the issue by unchecking automatic language and dialect switching,

Alvin

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Funny you should bring this up. I found that some web pages even in espeak are switching languages for some texts and links when its not appropriate at all. Really irritating and cannot decide if its actually the browser or nvda or the web site.
It will go away in miy case if I turn all refs to automatic language switching off in the dialogues. If you have any personal configs set up as a profile do not forget to check those too.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. arvind singh brar" <@Arvind>
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Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Strange isue when browsing webpages


Hello guys,

I seem to be facing a strange issue when browsing web pages,

I am using the latest version of nvda and vocalizer tts voices,
When i am browsing a page,
The body of the page is read in a female voice and only the links are read in the male vocalizer voice, it's kind of annoying.

Anybody know how to fix this,

I would like pages to be read in only one vocalizer voice,
Thanks
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Re: turning up the volume in youtube

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I have heard that Google intend to update the youtube interface early next year, so be aware. You know wht they aare like if it workds don't fix it is not their byline at all!
grin.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] turning up the volume in youtube


You don't have to work with these sliders and it's easier and more efficient not to. From the top of the page, type the letter b until you get to something like the pause button. That will mean that you are in the player interface. Turn off browse mode with NVDA key space.
use up and down arrow to raise and lower the volume
. To jump forward or back in a playing track, use right or left arrow.
Use main keyboard numbers 1 through nine to jump from one percent of the file to various percents.
1 is ten percent. 2 is twenty percent, etc. 0 starts play over from the start of the file and if the file has finished, pressing 0 will start play at the beginning again. I haven't tested to see if other numbers resume play, once over, from those percents.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] turning up the volume in youtube


Hi Rose Marie,


On the you tube web page, there's a couple of sliders for the player.
the first one is for moving backward and forward through the file you
are watching, and the second one is the one for increasing and
decreasing the volume. When you land on these sliders, NVDA will go into
browse mode initially but you can tab through the controls until you
find the volume slider and adjust it to your liking. Hope this helps.


Tony


On 12/8/2017 5:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

I'm trying to watch a movie on youtube but the volume is quite low. How do I
turn it up without having to turn up my speakers?

Thanks for your helpp in advance.

Rosemarie





Re: safe mode

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If posting a link to dropbox on your system always change the 0 at the end of the link to a 1, you may need to delete the leading 0 if its 01, and then it forces the receiving browser to download the file and not go to the dropbox web site.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


Hi


it is just as easy to find the link then use the applications key then if using mozilla fire fox arrow down to save link as then press the enter key.


it will then give you the option to save it to where you want then save it to your pc. If internet exploder it will be save target as etc.


That is the way i usually do it on all files it may depend if you press the enter key on it wheather it gives you the option to open or save as well.

This may be on other websites.


Gene nz


On 12/12/2017 9:49 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't remember what happens if the download link has a 0 at the end. A page comes up and there is some way to download. But that isn't the main point. If you change the 0 to a 1, following the link causes a download to begin without showing any page, as a standard download link does. 1 should be used to avoid confusion.

Gene
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From: Gene New Zealand<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


Hi


I will go back and check to make sure i put the message there i might of just said tested on a windows 7 and 10 machine with various sound cards. easy to amend later on.


When you click on the drop box link unless they have changed it you need to change the mode .


I just had a quick look and the first page says about signing up to a drop box account so you go to the bottom of it and say no and continue. the next screen that comes up will give you the options to download and play a file. I think you have to change modes to see the options or when it just goes into this screen press the tab key then change mode.


Then it is a matter of locating those sections.


The other way if i remember right is locate the link on the page press the applications key arrow down to either save target as or save link as . A save dialogue box will come up. make sure it says the file name as in most cases it is mp3 then save to some where easy to find.


I do have a drop box account but i am guessing this is what others see as well?


I could add directions up there or do a audio file if needed to new users?



I am wondering also I think it was Brian said it did not work did he apply the settings first before he pressed enter on the ok button. Otherwise it may not have done it I am guessing.

he needs to do it both times I could ad in about it but i usually look for ther buttons just in case like that.


By the way it was uploaded last night but will let list know of other stuff that went up later on today.


gene nz


On 12/12/2017 12:40 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
That's looks good and simple.
If you like to change the number "0" at the end of the DropBox link
into "1" that would make it downloadable without having to log in to
dropbox, some people don't have a dropbox account.
also if you like to put a notice that it's not been tested with all
sound card drivers, so its better to test it if sighted person around.
BTW I have tested it with NVDA remote auto connect enabled, on the PC
needs troubleshooting, of course that needs a few arrow downs in the
boot page at the selection boot page to high lite the checked
"network" option before reboot into safe mode.
and that is 100% working tested a lot by me, sense the PC to be
controlled doesn't need working sound card for that.



On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not
upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?



How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader
by Hareth and co
What is safe mode?
Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer
in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run
Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with
programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent
Windows from starting correctly.

To use NVDA in safe mode

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0


After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This
has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few
different sound cards.

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter
Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"
Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.
Tab to "base video" and check it as well.
Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the
computer to apply the changes.
If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into
safe mode, you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.
Message you will get while in safe mode
To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below
is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.
Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
Safe Mode



After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,
but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and
base video; and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal
mode.



On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before they really
need to preform a task on it when problems happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name as
in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.



--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Re: iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

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I don't know what I don't know, only you know!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "mattias" <mjonsson1986@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?


Brian
Maybe i’m are tired
But
John? Wich tts voice are that?

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

Från: Gerardo Corripio
Skickat: den 11 december 2017 19:19
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

The voice in question is Aaron. Does that ring a bell?


El 11/12/2017 a las 11:33 a.m., Damien Sykes escribió:
Hi,
Daniel's a UK voice, I'm pretty sure Gerardo specified a US voice. The
only US voice that I can think of off the top of my head that wouldn't
be in the Vocaliser list is Alex, because he's a voice made by Apple.
A lot of people seem to like him because he not only talks but he
breathes as well...Very novel for a TTS voice I must say!
But yeah. If it's the breathing one you're after, that's Alex and
you'll be very lucky if Technotiflia will distribute that. Even
assuming they have even a slim chance of obtaining a developer
licence, it would then need to be ported for Windows and...Ugh. I
certainly wouldn't relish the thought of doing all that!
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with
NVDA?

What is it called, are you referring toDaniel?
I thought almost every synth had this as an option .
I have it but I find him ( John Briggs to give him his real name) Just a
little too sincere!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio"
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?


I'm looking for the Siri Male iPhone voice (or its equivalent) on
Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Voices page, to use especially for reading,
with NVDA, but it's not there. Might it be that's not been added yet?
It'd be a dream come true if I could have it. Thanks for info.

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Re: Bouncing emails.

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This happens every so often. To my mind it is usually due to the isp you are with subscribing to a black list service of mail servers. If the mail server used by a mail list gets onto one of these the isp bounces the emails to you back and the system then uses a different server to email you the information about it. Then you need to take the action and attempt to restart the email list again, in the hope that the black list listing has been removed by then. In the meantime you have of course lost access to the list so cannot read it unless you read it via the web site.
Its quite good and works well. However sometimes ISPs tend to not bounce and simply dump emails and this can be a real problem as the other end does not know you are not getting the emails.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Isige" <gwynn@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 2:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Bouncing emails.


Here's the text of the message. It's singularly uninformative.


Hello,
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- We have an incorrect email address for you.
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We have suspended email delivery to you. This means you will no longer receive messages from the groups you are subscribed to, including:
- nvda
You must take action to restore your account, or we will unsubscribe you from all of the groups you are a member of.
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