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Re: Parenthesis

Gene
 

I don't know if any screen-readers let you make any such adjustments.  By default, none of what you were told is correct.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

I had asked about parenthesis because someone had told me that the screen reader speaks capitalization differently than regular letters. For example, ALL CAPS IN A SENTENCE causes the reader to say those words with “emphasis” or to yell. I didn’t know there were punctuation settings. I just wondered if words in parenthesis were whispered or otherwise spoken differently.

 

Thanks!

 

Tonea

 


Re: Parenthesis

Devin Prater
 

All caps are not read any differently than any other text.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified.

On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:

With my punctuation set to some, it pauses on either side of the parenthesis. A comma does the same thing, so I would have to guess which is a paren and which a comma. Not that big a deal for me. If I really want to know, I'll investigate on my own. I don't know about other punctuation levels as about all I use is some, so others would be able to answer that better.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis

How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.

 

Thanks!

 

Tonea

 


Re: turning up the volume in youtube

Tony Ballou
 

Hey Gene,


Thanks buddy. Will keep this in mind. 


Tony


On 12/11/2017 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
You don't have to work with these sliders and it's easier and more efficient not to.  From the top of the page, type the letter b until you get to something like the pause button.  That will mean that you are in the player interface.  Turn off browse mode with NVDA key space.
use up and down arrow to raise and lower the volume
.  To jump forward or back in a playing track, use right or left arrow.
Use main keyboard numbers 1 through nine to jump from one percent of the file to various percents.
1 is ten percent.  2 is twenty percent, etc.  0 starts play over from the start of the file and if the file has finished, pressing 0 will start play at the beginning again.  I haven't tested to see if other numbers resume play, once over, from those percents.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] turning up the volume in youtube

Hi Rose Marie,


On the you tube web page, there's a couple of sliders for the player. 
the first one is for moving backward and forward through the file you
are watching, and the second one is the one for increasing and
decreasing the volume. When you land on these sliders, NVDA will go into
browse mode initially but you can tab through the controls until you
find the volume slider and adjust it to your liking. Hope this helps.


Tony


On 12/8/2017 5:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

> Hi, everyone,
>
> I'm trying to watch a movie on youtube but the volume is quite low. How do I
> turn it up without having to turn up my speakers?
>
> Thanks for your helpp in advance.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: Question about converting pdf files to csv

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Cearbhall,


Thanks, Good stuff here, will add this tip to my personal bag as well.


Tony

On 12/11/2017 4:05 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Jessica,

I just succeeded in converting a PDF file into CSV with the following steps:
1. Open the PDF file with Microsoft Word:
Press the Application key and ignore the "Open with adobe" and go on down to "Open with " and press right-arrow and then down-arrow to "Word" and press Enter.

2. Let Word open and press "OK" on all announcements that appear. Then press control+Home to move to the top of the open document followed by control+shift+End to highlight everything. Then press control+c to copy all to the clipboard.

3. Open Excel. An empty worksheet should appear. Make sure you are in cell "A1". Then press control+v to paste the contents of the clipboard into the open worksheet. Make sure the file looks right to you at this stage just in case you need to correct anything.

4. Press the following sequence of keystrokes (one after the other):
alt>f>a>o
The traditional "Save As" dialog will appear. Change the type of file to
"CSV (Comma delimited) (*.csv)"
and the job is done!

Sorry if my instructions are too detailed. I don't know how familiar you are with keystroke control.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 6:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about converting pdf files to csv

Hi,


Try this online converter and see if it works. I haven't used it in some time but they're still around converting files.


www.zamzar.com/convert/pdf-to-csv/


Tony


On 12/8/2017 12:57 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
I need to convert pdf files to csv.
what's the best, and most accessible way to do this?

Thanks,
Jessica







Re: Parenthesis

Kwork
 

With my punctuation set to some, it pauses on either side of the parenthesis. A comma does the same thing, so I would have to guess which is a paren and which a comma. Not that big a deal for me. If I really want to know, I'll investigate on my own. I don't know about other punctuation levels as about all I use is some, so others would be able to answer that better.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis

How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.

 

Thanks!

 

Tonea

 


Re: Caption location

Antony Stone
 

It could be helpful if you let us know which guidelines you are working with
(the ones which "say that blind-friendly places information...").

Incidentally, I very strongly agree with Joseph Lee's recommendation that you
ask your employer to install (or let you install) NVDA on your machine. If
you are trying to create accessible materials in your job, you need an
accessibility tool to let you know whether you're getting it right.

After all, would they ask you to create HTML pages without providing you with
a browser to view them in?


Antony.

On Tuesday 12 December 2017 at 18:43:55, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

I know that each of you are being very patient with my questions. I
appreciate that.

Guidelines say that blind-friendly places information about a graphic prior
to the graphic. But, the software I use put the caption for the graphic in
an HTML caption tag, which places it under or after the graphic. Are they
equivalent or is one better than the other?

Tonea
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Re: Caption location

 

Hi Tonea,

It doesn’t really matter as long as the screen reader can read captions (provided the author and/or the program did it correctly).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Caption location

 

I know that each of you are being very patient with my questions. I appreciate that.

 

Guidelines say that blind-friendly places information about a graphic prior to the graphic. But, the software I use put the caption for the graphic in an HTML caption tag, which places it under or after the graphic. Are they equivalent or is one better than the other?

 

Tonea


Re: win10 essentials add-on update?

Angela Delicata
 

Hi,

I downloaded Windows 10 App Essentials and  it seems to do many things!

I just want to say nvda works much much better than Jaws on Windows 10  and for this reason I decided to do a small donation: for the time being it is very little, but I plan to do more in the future.

You really deserve our  help and hope nvda will continue to be developed: really  much  better than Jaws nowadays: it has become my  primary  screen reader and I never ever thought this could have been possible... I also know friends of mine who work with nvda and find it good.

So, please keep on like this and I know thanking will be never enough because people like you are those who deserve to be praised for what they do...


Ciao

Angela from Italy

Il 12/12/2017 18:13, Joseph Lee ha scritto:
Hi,
And much more. Basically, anyone using Windows 10 should install this add-on. In addition to providing some enhancements for Windows 10 users, with help from this add-on, NVDA supports one or two new features included in latest Windows 10 development builds.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] win10 essentials add-on update?

That add-on covers a lot of different things. Best advice is to go to the nvda community add-ons page and read all about the various things this one does.


Mary


On 12/12/2017 9:06 AM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I would like to try this add-on: please, remind me what it is for smile.

Thank you.

Angela from Italy



Il 12/12/2017 16:07, Mary Otten ha scritto:
Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this
add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the
update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort
of update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that
add-on from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is
there a recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons
manager?


Mary





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Re: Parenthesis

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

I had asked about parenthesis because someone had told me that the screen reader speaks capitalization differently than regular letters. For example, ALL CAPS IN A SENTENCE causes the reader to say those words with “emphasis” or to yell. I didn’t know there were punctuation settings. I just wondered if words in parenthesis were whispered or otherwise spoken differently.

 

Thanks!

 

Tonea

 


Caption location

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

I know that each of you are being very patient with my questions. I appreciate that.

 

Guidelines say that blind-friendly places information about a graphic prior to the graphic. But, the software I use put the caption for the graphic in an HTML caption tag, which places it under or after the graphic. Are they equivalent or is one better than the other?

 

Tonea


Re: how to read a popup window on a web page

Rusty Perez
 

Hey Hermann,
Thanks!
the site is
frettie.com


There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check
out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the
song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.

Thanks!
Rusty

On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote:
Hey Rusty,

to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
I am using NVDA as well.
I will have a try on the site.


Greetings - Hermann





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Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page

Hey folks,
I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
read it with NVDA.
If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks!
Rusty






Re: how to read a popup window on a web page

Hermann-Josef Kurzen
 

Hey Rusty,

to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
I am using NVDA as well.
I will have a try on the site.


Greetings - Hermann





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Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page

Hey folks,
I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
read it with NVDA.
If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks!
Rusty




Re: win10 essentials add-on update?

 

Hi,
And much more. Basically, anyone using Windows 10 should install this add-on. In addition to providing some enhancements for Windows 10 users, with help from this add-on, NVDA supports one or two new features included in latest Windows 10 development builds.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] win10 essentials add-on update?

That add-on covers a lot of different things. Best advice is to go to the nvda community add-ons page and read all about the various things this one does.


Mary


On 12/12/2017 9:06 AM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I would like to try this add-on: please, remind me what it is for smile.

Thank you.

Angela from Italy



Il 12/12/2017 16:07, Mary Otten ha scritto:
Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this
add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the
update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort
of update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that
add-on from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is
there a recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons
manager?


Mary





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Re: Parenthesis

 

Hi,

For Tonea and others: some of the things I say below are a bit technical, but I think it is important for you to understand some behind the scenes work:

 

A screen reader really doesn’t care how it sees most punctuations, as it is ultimately up to users and speech synthesizers to handle this part. Contrary to what you may have heard, a screen reader is just like any program (Lotus Notes, Excel, apps used by Social Security Administration, etc.) in that it does what it is told to do: read what is presented on screen. Just like any complex software, screen readers are composed of many modules, with different modules working together to help a blind or visually impaired computer user what he or she needs to do.

 

Without going into deeper details, what I can tell you is that the way NVDA announces punctuations involve at least three components:

  • Text gatherer: this part of the screen reader gathers what is on screen, including potential text and control information.
  • Text enhancer and user settings: with help from users, the screen reader will format the text so the last component (below) will speak what the screen reader tells it to speak.
  • Text-to-speech: commonly packaged as part of a speech synthesis engine (or hardware), this reads what a program tells it to read (in this case, a screen reader such as NVDA will send text to the synthesizer with or without modifications asked by users).

In terms of NVDA components, these components are accessibility API’s and text infos, configuration database and speech dictionaries, and speech synthesizers, respectively.

 

Note the fact that how the screen reader will say things depend on user’s preferences. This is the reason why I (a fellow technical author, although going through training) and others cannot really prescribe how things should be formatted regarding punctuations. Although some level of control from screen readers is possible, it is ultimately up to users and speech synthesizers to decide how they’ll perceive text and react to them in your deliverables.

 

An additional comment: I do understand that some organizations might oppose certain classes of software for security reasons. I personally believe that NVDA can offer something few screen readers can offer: access to internals, thereby letting officials and auditors take a look at internals of how a screen reader works. I’d like to personally question the stances of your employer regarding having no access to a screen reader, because I think at least you (Tonea) should be given a chance to experiment with at least one for a while in hopes of improving your understanding of needs of your audience.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

 

No, actually, I can’t. I work on a contract with the United States Government, so I only have on the computer what I am given, and that does not include any screen-reading software. I am sighted. I write help manuals and help files for software that other people write. I have sentences like this:

 

The second zoom method is to hold the control key while pressing + (plus) to zoom in or while pressing – (minus) to zoom out.

 

To a sighted person, the word “plus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows is a plus symbol, just as the word “minus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows in a minus symbol and not a hyphen or an em-dash or some other symbol. I literally need to know how your screen reader treats words or phrases that are in parenthesis so I can write to take your perception into account. The example above, combined with the previous example I gave will help a lot.

 

Tonea (by the way, it is pronounced Toe knee uh, with the accent on the knee.)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

 

Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself?

 

Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it.

 

 

Antony.

 


Re: win10 essentials add-on update?

Mary Otten
 

That add-on covers a lot of different things. Best advice is to go to the nvda community add-ons page and read all about the various things this one does.


Mary

On 12/12/2017 9:06 AM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I would like to try this add-on: please, remind me what it is for smile.

Thank you.

Angela from Italy



Il 12/12/2017 16:07, Mary Otten ha scritto:
Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort of update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that add-on from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is there a recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons manager?


Mary





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Re: win10 essentials add-on update?

Angela Delicata
 

Hi,

I would like to try this add-on: please, remind me what it is for smile.

Thank you.

Angela from Italy

Il 12/12/2017 16:07, Mary Otten ha scritto:
Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort of update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that add-on from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is there a recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons manager?


Mary




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how to read a popup window on a web page

Rusty Perez
 

Hey folks,
I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
read it with NVDA.
If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks!
Rusty


Re: Parenthesis

Gene
 

this just proves my point.  I was reading your message with punctuation completely off.  It read completely legibly.  I didn't hear two pluses because punctuation off meant I didn't hear the plus sign and I didn't hear the punctuation.  I simply hear the one written out word plus and the sentence read just as it should.  Don't worry about altering common practices in writing.  Blind people read writing all over constantly that is written using all common conventions.  the blind person must learn to understand what is being read.  When reading material, the blind person is constantly reading material written for sighted readers and must understand the conventions. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

No, actually, I can’t. I work on a contract with the United States Government, so I only have on the computer what I am given, and that does not include any screen-reading software. I am sighted. I write help manuals and help files for software that other people write. I have sentences like this:

 

The second zoom method is to hold the control key while pressing + (plus) to zoom in or while pressing – (minus) to zoom out.

 

To a sighted person, the word “plus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows is a plus symbol, just as the word “minus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows in a minus symbol and not a hyphen or an em-dash or some other symbol. I literally need to know how your screen reader treats words or phrases that are in parenthesis so I can write to take your perception into account. The example above, combined with the previous example I gave will help a lot.

 

Tonea (by the way, it is pronounced Toe knee uh, with the accent on the knee.)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

 

Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself?

 

Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it.

 

 

Antony.

 


Re: Parenthesis

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

No, actually, I can’t. I work on a contract with the United States Government, so I only have on the computer what I am given, and that does not include any screen-reading software. I am sighted. I write help manuals and help files for software that other people write. I have sentences like this:

 

The second zoom method is to hold the control key while pressing + (plus) to zoom in or while pressing – (minus) to zoom out.

 

To a sighted person, the word “plus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows is a plus symbol, just as the word “minus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows in a minus symbol and not a hyphen or an em-dash or some other symbol. I literally need to know how your screen reader treats words or phrases that are in parenthesis so I can write to take your perception into account. The example above, combined with the previous example I gave will help a lot.

 

Tonea (by the way, it is pronounced Toe knee uh, with the accent on the knee.)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

 

Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself?

 

Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it.

 

 

Antony.

 


Re: Parenthesis

Brian Moore
 

Hi.  Depends on how the user has their punctuation level set.

For example, for reading email, I have most of mine off so I had to go and manually look at what was written to figure out where they were.

I believe the default for most screen readers is to have more punctuation spoken than I have so they would hear it.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
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On 12/12/2017 11:12 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.

 

Thanks!

 

Tonea