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Re: Caption location
Hi Tonea, It doesn’t really matter as long as the screen reader can read captions (provided the author and/or the program did it correctly). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Caption location
I know that each of you are being very patient with my questions. I appreciate that.
Guidelines say that blind-friendly places information about a graphic prior to the graphic. But, the software I use put the caption for the graphic in an HTML caption tag, which places it under or after the graphic. Are they equivalent or is one better than the other?
Tonea
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Re: win10 essentials add-on update?
Angela Delicata
Hi,
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I downloaded Windows 10 App Essentials and it seems to do many things! I just want to say nvda works much much better than Jaws on Windows 10 and for this reason I decided to do a small donation: for the time being it is very little, but I plan to do more in the future. You really deserve our help and hope nvda will continue to be developed: really much better than Jaws nowadays: it has become my primary screen reader and I never ever thought this could have been possible... I also know friends of mine who work with nvda and find it good. So, please keep on like this and I know thanking will be never enough because people like you are those who deserve to be praised for what they do... Ciao Angela from Italy
Il 12/12/2017 18:13, Joseph Lee ha scritto:
Hi,
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Re: Parenthesis
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
I had asked about parenthesis because someone had told me that the screen reader speaks capitalization differently than regular letters. For example, ALL CAPS IN A SENTENCE causes the reader to say those words with “emphasis” or to yell. I didn’t know there were punctuation settings. I just wondered if words in parenthesis were whispered or otherwise spoken differently.
Thanks!
Tonea
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Caption location
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
I know that each of you are being very patient with my questions. I appreciate that.
Guidelines say that blind-friendly places information about a graphic prior to the graphic. But, the software I use put the caption for the graphic in an HTML caption tag, which places it under or after the graphic. Are they equivalent or is one better than the other?
Tonea
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Re: how to read a popup window on a web page
Rusty Perez
Hey Hermann,
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Thanks! the site is frettie.com There will be songs available when you first go to the page. Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the song. Then search for the "lyrics" link. Thanks! Rusty
On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@gmx.net> wrote:
Hey Rusty,
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Re: how to read a popup window on a web page
Hermann-Josef Kurzen
Hey Rusty,
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to which site for songwriters are You subscribed? I am using NVDA as well. I will have a try on the site. Greetings - Hermann ■■■
Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
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Re: win10 essentials add-on update?
Hi,
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And much more. Basically, anyone using Windows 10 should install this add-on. In addition to providing some enhancements for Windows 10 users, with help from this add-on, NVDA supports one or two new features included in latest Windows 10 development builds. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:08 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] win10 essentials add-on update? That add-on covers a lot of different things. Best advice is to go to the nvda community add-ons page and read all about the various things this one does. Mary On 12/12/2017 9:06 AM, Angela Delicata wrote: Hi,
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Re: Parenthesis
Hi, For Tonea and others: some of the things I say below are a bit technical, but I think it is important for you to understand some behind the scenes work:
A screen reader really doesn’t care how it sees most punctuations, as it is ultimately up to users and speech synthesizers to handle this part. Contrary to what you may have heard, a screen reader is just like any program (Lotus Notes, Excel, apps used by Social Security Administration, etc.) in that it does what it is told to do: read what is presented on screen. Just like any complex software, screen readers are composed of many modules, with different modules working together to help a blind or visually impaired computer user what he or she needs to do.
Without going into deeper details, what I can tell you is that the way NVDA announces punctuations involve at least three components:
In terms of NVDA components, these components are accessibility API’s and text infos, configuration database and speech dictionaries, and speech synthesizers, respectively.
Note the fact that how the screen reader will say things depend on user’s preferences. This is the reason why I (a fellow technical author, although going through training) and others cannot really prescribe how things should be formatted regarding punctuations. Although some level of control from screen readers is possible, it is ultimately up to users and speech synthesizers to decide how they’ll perceive text and react to them in your deliverables.
An additional comment: I do understand that some organizations might oppose certain classes of software for security reasons. I personally believe that NVDA can offer something few screen readers can offer: access to internals, thereby letting officials and auditors take a look at internals of how a screen reader works. I’d like to personally question the stances of your employer regarding having no access to a screen reader, because I think at least you (Tonea) should be given a chance to experiment with at least one for a while in hopes of improving your understanding of needs of your audience. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis
No, actually, I can’t. I work on a contract with the United States Government, so I only have on the computer what I am given, and that does not include any screen-reading software. I am sighted. I write help manuals and help files for software that other people write. I have sentences like this:
The second zoom method is to hold the control key while pressing + (plus) to zoom in or while pressing – (minus) to zoom out.
To a sighted person, the word “plus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows is a plus symbol, just as the word “minus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows in a minus symbol and not a hyphen or an em-dash or some other symbol. I literally need to know how your screen reader treats words or phrases that are in parenthesis so I can write to take your perception into account. The example above, combined with the previous example I gave will help a lot.
Tonea (by the way, it is pronounced Toe knee uh, with the accent on the knee.)
-----Original Message-----
Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself?
Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it.
Antony.
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Re: win10 essentials add-on update?
Mary Otten
That add-on covers a lot of different things. Best advice is to go to the nvda community add-ons page and read all about the various things this one does.
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Mary
On 12/12/2017 9:06 AM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,
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Re: win10 essentials add-on update?
Angela Delicata
Hi,
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I would like to try this add-on: please, remind me what it is for smile. Thank you. Angela from Italy
Il 12/12/2017 16:07, Mary Otten ha scritto:
Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort of update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that add-on from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is there a recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons manager?
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how to read a popup window on a web page
Rusty Perez
Hey folks,
I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to read it with NVDA. If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks! Rusty
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Re: Parenthesis
Gene
this just proves my point. I was reading your
message with punctuation completely off. It read completely legibly.
I didn't hear two pluses because punctuation off meant I didn't hear the plus
sign and I didn't hear the punctuation. I simply hear the one written out
word plus and the sentence read just as it should. Don't worry about
altering common practices in writing. Blind people read writing all over
constantly that is written using all common conventions. the blind person
must learn to understand what is being read. When reading material, the
blind person is constantly reading material written for sighted readers and must
understand the conventions.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis No, actually, I can’t. I work on a contract with the United States Government, so I only have on the computer what I am given, and that does not include any screen-reading software. I am sighted. I write help manuals and help files for software that other people write. I have sentences like this:
The second zoom method is to hold the control key while pressing + (plus) to zoom in or while pressing – (minus) to zoom out.
To a sighted person, the word “plus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows is a plus symbol, just as the word “minus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows in a minus symbol and not a hyphen or an em-dash or some other symbol. I literally need to know how your screen reader treats words or phrases that are in parenthesis so I can write to take your perception into account. The example above, combined with the previous example I gave will help a lot.
Tonea (by the way, it is pronounced Toe knee uh, with the accent on the knee.)
-----Original Message-----
Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself?
Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it.
Antony.
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Re: Parenthesis
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
No, actually, I can’t. I work on a contract with the United States Government, so I only have on the computer what I am given, and that does not include any screen-reading software. I am sighted. I write help manuals and help files for software that other people write. I have sentences like this:
The second zoom method is to hold the control key while pressing + (plus) to zoom in or while pressing – (minus) to zoom out.
To a sighted person, the word “plus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows is a plus symbol, just as the word “minus” in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows in a minus symbol and not a hyphen or an em-dash or some other symbol. I literally need to know how your screen reader treats words or phrases that are in parenthesis so I can write to take your perception into account. The example above, combined with the previous example I gave will help a lot.
Tonea (by the way, it is pronounced Toe knee uh, with the accent on the knee.)
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:17 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis
Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself?
Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it.
Antony.
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Re: Parenthesis
Brian Moore
Hi. Depends on how the user has their punctuation level set. For example, for reading email, I have most of mine off so I had to go and manually look at what was written to figure out where they were. I believe the default for most screen readers is to have more punctuation spoken than I have so they would hear it. Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123 On 12/12/2017 11:12 AM,
tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:
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Re: Parenthesis
Gene
It depends on how the individual user has
punctuation set in the screen-reader. Just use parenthesis as you would
generally. It's up to the user to set the screen-reader as desired and to
understand what will and won't be heard. Usually, items in parenthesis are
understandable as peripheral comments from context. Sighted readers
reading audio books don't give pronunciation and other such marks, the context
is clear without them. If the blind person
is in a situation where the person is uncertain, it's the person's
responsibility to check what is being read for punctuation if the person has
punctuation turned off in the screen-reader.
Accessibility means making things accessible.
It doesn't mean compensating for the user's responsibilities.
Gene
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How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.
Thanks!
Tonea
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I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as
Gerardo Corripio
Using NVDA's Vocalizer, where or how would I make NVDA to read this Mxn$3800 as 3800 Mexican pesos? I ask this because when typing in for instance USD$230 it reads exactly right as I'd like for the Mexican currency to read. I tried putting into the pronounciation dictionary but it didn't work. any ideas?
-- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird
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Re: Parenthesis
Antony Stone
Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text
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editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself? Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it. Antony.
On Tuesday 12 December 2017 at 17:12:36, tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov wrote:
How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? --
I thought I had type A blood, but it turned out to be a typo. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Parenthesis
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.
Thanks!
Tonea
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Re: win10 essentials add-on update?
Chris
Look under nvda setting > preferences > windows 10 app essentials
From: Mary Otten
Sent: 12 December 2017 15:07 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] win10 essentials add-on update?
Yesterday, I had a notification that there was an update for this add-on, but I got an error message when I attempted to install the update. I don't remember what that said. I figured I'd find some sort of update button if I went into add-ons manager and selected that add-on from my list of installed add-ons, but I don't see one. Is there a recently released update, and should I see that in my add-ons manager?
Mary
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Re: win10 essentials add-on update?
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
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Wonderful! Glad that I could help.
Happy holidays!
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