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Re: Alex

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Is that the right Alex though. I've heard several Alex voices over the years, all sound different.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Alex


At&T holds the copyright for Alex I believe.


On 12/11/2017 12:28 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
If it is Alex then you will need to find out who owns the copyright. It may well be that Apple wanted at least some voices only they have, and hence anyone else using it would no doubt get sued to within an inch of their wallets.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?


Hi,
I wants had a copy of the Alex voice that worked with Anna VDA. It wasn't a full-fledged voice though. It could read a few things, but that's about it. Really wish someone would make one that was full-fledged. If it existed, I would download it in a heartbeat.

Sent from my Apple Watch

On Dec 11, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Damien Sykes <damien@dcpendleton.plus.com> wrote:

Hi,
Are you sure it's a Vocaliser voice and not one made by Apple? Apple recently started putting their own voices onto iOS, like Alex and so on.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

I'm looking for the Siri Male iPhone voice (or its equivalent) on
Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Voices page, to use especially for reading, with
NVDA, but it's not there. Might it be that's not been added yet? It'd be
a dream come true if I could have it. Thanks for info.

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Re: Just a word of warning

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One of the reasons I still collect pop3 on good old Outlook express. Message rules then sort everything. The only issue was spam as pop3 has no spam folder and hence I needed to get those from imap.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Just a word of warning


Gmail actually are Lmissing with filters. The replies are not missing or me they are just in different folders and I have to hunt them down and move them myself using apple mail. Not too bad but annoying.

Take care

On Dec 11, 2017, at 9:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I seem to be missing some posts to this list in my email, as I can see replies to some where the original is not there. Don't have time to go furtling about on the web site and it will probably get rectified soon so if anyone has asked me anything or I appear thick that either means I am thick or I did not see the original!
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Re: Bouncing emails.

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Yes none in the spam folder today and I guess none missing either but for how long until a server gets listed again?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bouncing emails.


They fixed the issue actually according to the groups.io beta and forum list I'm on.

Take care

On Dec 12, 2017, at 1:59 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

This happens every so often. To my mind it is usually due to the isp you are with subscribing to a black list service of mail servers. If the mail server used by a mail list gets onto one of these the isp bounces the emails to you back and the system then uses a different server to email you the information about it. Then you need to take the action and attempt to restart the email list again, in the hope that the black list listing has been removed by then. In the meantime you have of course lost access to the list so cannot read it unless you read it via the web site.
Its quite good and works well. However sometimes ISPs tend to not bounce and simply dump emails and this can be a real problem as the other end does not know you are not getting the emails.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 2:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Bouncing emails.


Here's the text of the message. It's singularly uninformative.


Hello,
Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for many reasons, including:
- We have an incorrect email address for you.
- Your account was or is full.
- Other temporary delivery issues.
We have suspended email delivery to you. This means you will no longer receive messages from the groups you are subscribed to, including:
- nvda
You must take action to restore your account, or we will unsubscribe you from all of the groups you are a member of.
To unbounce your account, go to the following link:
(link gibberish redacted)
Thank you,
The Groups.io Team



Re: how to read a popup window on a web page

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This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old version of Firefox.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page


Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that time.

Rusty



On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Hermann,
Thanks!
the site is
frettie.com


There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check
out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the
song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.

Thanks!
Rusty

On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@gmx.net> wrote:
Hey Rusty,

to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
I am using NVDA as well.
I will have a try on the site.


Greetings - Hermann





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Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@gmail.com>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page

Hey folks,
I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
read it with NVDA.
If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks!
Rusty








Re: Parenthesis

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I disagree see my other post. A lot depends on the synth though.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis


All caps are not read any differently than any other text.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified.

On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Kwork <istherelife@gmail.com> wrote:

With my punctuation set to some, it pauses on either side of the parenthesis. A comma does the same thing, so I would have to guess which is a paren and which a comma. Not that big a deal for me. If I really want to know, I'll investigate on my own. I don't know about other punctuation levels as about all I use is some, so others would be able to answer that better.
----- Original Message -----
From: tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis

How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.

Thanks!

Tonea


Re: nvda unresponsiveness

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If you want a pc with no bloat ware go to this link. They are wonderful and they even sell gear. Oh and all of the pcs are built in my birth  place in the USA.

On Dec 12, 2017, at 10:39 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Yeah, ms office, a few wild tangent games and mcafee, why they insist on that is really beyond me.

When I get my gaming laptop, I am seriously going to outright ask for a driver disk, and a stright out win10 disk and see what they do, or an image without the demos and crap on it, I'll even pay a little extra for it not being included.

Heck, I don't need their recovery image, win10 talks now so as long as I can get their site working and all the serials and things I can make it all work enough!

Then again, a lot of the software that toshiba and hp have are usually usefull.

Sadly their support app is inacurate its good to copy product info off but thats it sadly.

I do think though that there needs to be some program or batch written to fix these dll issues though.




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Yes indeed HP laptops if purchased from one of the big stores nearly always come with clutter. They have lots of junk, erm useful demos of expensive software on them and the first job really is to look at what is on there and remove all the unwanted stuff. However do be careful with demos of Microsoft Offiice as  uninstalling these has a history of screwing up the registry for screenreader users.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda unresponsiveness


At this point, we don't know enough to form proper opinions or conclusions. One thing that should be checked is whether something is using more processor power than it should.  I don't recall what version of Windows you are running but once you tell us, people can tell you how to see how much processor power is being used by everything on your system in total.  If the number is excessively high, we can start looking at the amount of power individual programs use.  This problem may be the result of something using a lot of computer resources and whatever it is may be able to be removed or stopped if it isn't needed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda unresponsiveness


Hi Kevin

I often use internet explorer as my browser.

Yes, I sometimes use firefox, but the problem is the same.

Although I am not 100% sure, I would like to conclude that the problem
is caused by the type of processor and the speed on my machine.

Why, because on my other laptop which use intel (R(core(tm)I4 with 4GB
memory, nvda respons very well without this problem.

My new HP laptop which gives me this problem use intel (r) seleron
processor at the speed of 1.6 GHZ.

Hope you understand.

Marisane

On 12/10/17, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd@...> wrote:
I only see this using firefox sometimes when arrowing down a page it
stops talking and you just have to wait I have the latest Sr of ff sorry
not sure what the latest Sr is but I got an update yesterday for the Esr
sorry I have said Sr it should have been Esr sorry.

On 10/12/2017 12:17, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
Might you have too many AddOns installed? Try running NVDA without the
AddOns: For this, NVDA+qq, and a dialogue should come up asking you what
you want to do; among these options is Start NVDA without AddOns. See if
this helps, to see if maybe it's an AddOn taht's causing this slowness?


El 10/12/2017 a las 03:11 a.m., Marisane Moruthanyana escribió:
Morning nvda users

I am Marisane from SA.

I have, for sometime now, been looking for your assistance regarding
nvda unresponsiveness but to no avail.

I have recently upgraded to nvda 2017.4, but the unresponsiveness
still persists.

May I know whether this may be due to my laptop's using intel seleron
processor at a speed of less than 2ghz?

Does the processor type and its speed have any impact on nvda's
functionality / dysfunctionality?

What processor and speed should one take into account when buying a
laptop so that nvda may respond positively?

I am frustrated, because this happens only with nvda and not with jaws.

I use jaws demo as I have no licence for it to do some work on my PC,
but it responds very well that I do not have the same problems as
those with nvda.

If the processor type and its speed are the cause of nvda'
unresponsiveness, why only it and not other screen reader like jaws?

Your urgent assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

Please, please, please help, I am getting frustrated everyday.

I solely rely on nvda as my jaws is only 40 minutes.

Hope you understand.

Regards
Marisane














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Re: Caption location

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If the texts are to be packaged as PDF it becomes even more important to have a screenreader as tagging the reading order through a document is very very important.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location


It could be helpful if you let us know which guidelines you are working with
(the ones which "say that blind-friendly places information...").

Incidentally, I very strongly agree with Joseph Lee's recommendation that you
ask your employer to install (or let you install) NVDA on your machine. If
you are trying to create accessible materials in your job, you need an
accessibility tool to let you know whether you're getting it right.

After all, would they ask you to create HTML pages without providing you with
a browser to view them in?


Antony.

On Tuesday 12 December 2017 at 18:43:55, tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov wrote:

I know that each of you are being very patient with my questions. I
appreciate that.

Guidelines say that blind-friendly places information about a graphic prior
to the graphic. But, the software I use put the caption for the graphic in
an HTML caption tag, which places it under or after the graphic. Are they
equivalent or is one better than the other?

Tonea
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Re: Avast and accessibility

Sarah k Alawami
 

I just use MSE. It works grate and already comes wiht windows. I don't use anythign else and I've ben ok.

Take care

On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Avast is considered one of the best free programs.  But it isn't properly accessible though you can use an older version if you learn about its quirks.  That version isn't properly accessible but it's more or less usable.  I haven't followed what else is more or less accessible, though there are programs that are more accessible.  They may or may not be as good but you may or may not want to use the less accessible choice, Avast.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] Avast and accessibility

Hi,


I know I have seen this discussed before but didn't need to follow the thread at that time.


How accessible is Avast?  Is it better than AVG or not?


Thanks.


Dan beaver



Re: Parenthesis

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No one issue with all caps is that some words may indeed be said badly as its not expected, also using some caps can throw some synths into roman numerals mode and hence for example VI people can say 6 people or Roman 6 people. Also some caps strings like NY can say New York and some abbreviations that are ambiguous can in some languages be expanded to measurements or even currencies.

This is why anyone writing documents really does need to have some screenreaders and synths handy.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis


I had asked about parenthesis because someone had told me that the screen reader speaks capitalization differently than regular letters. For example, ALL CAPS IN A SENTENCE causes the reader to say those words with "emphasis" or to yell. I didn't know there were punctuation settings. I just wondered if words in parenthesis were whispered or otherwise spoken differently.

Thanks!

Tonea


Re: how to read a popup window on a web page

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Which browser is it and do you know how the site actually flags the content up?
It sounds like its not being seen as a new set of page content unless you manually navigate the page. Try screen and object navigation to see if that will let you get to it.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:05 PM
Subject: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page


Hey folks,
I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
read it with NVDA.
If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks!
Rusty


Re: Parenthesis

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Yes as an aside if it made no sense, one just stops the reading and cursors over the offending bits to clarify. Turning off punctuation only happens normally for the reading of text, not the entry or reading it a character at a time.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis


this just proves my point. I was reading your message with punctuation completely off. It read completely legibly. I didn't hear two pluses because punctuation off meant I didn't hear the plus sign and I didn't hear the punctuation. I simply hear the one written out word plus and the sentence read just as it should. Don't worry about altering common practices in writing. Blind people read writing all over constantly that is written using all common conventions. the blind person must learn to understand what is being read. When reading material, the blind person is constantly reading material written for sighted readers and must understand the conventions.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis


No, actually, I can't. I work on a contract with the United States Government, so I only have on the computer what I am given, and that does not include any screen-reading software. I am sighted. I write help manuals and help files for software that other people write. I have sentences like this:



The second zoom method is to hold the control key while pressing + (plus) to zoom in or while pressing - (minus) to zoom out.



To a sighted person, the word "plus" in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows is a plus symbol, just as the word "minus" in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows in a minus symbol and not a hyphen or an em-dash or some other symbol. I literally need to know how your screen reader treats words or phrases that are in parenthesis so I can write to take your perception into account. The example above, combined with the previous example I gave will help a lot.



Tonea (by the way, it is pronounced Toe knee uh, with the accent on the knee.)



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis



Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself?



Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it.





Antony.


Re: Parenthesis

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But minus did not get read here.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis


No, actually, I can't. I work on a contract with the United States Government, so I only have on the computer what I am given, and that does not include any screen-reading software. I am sighted. I write help manuals and help files for software that other people write. I have sentences like this:



The second zoom method is to hold the control key while pressing + (plus) to zoom in or while pressing - (minus) to zoom out.



To a sighted person, the word "plus" in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows is a plus symbol, just as the word "minus" in parenthesis clarifies that the symbol it follows in a minus symbol and not a hyphen or an em-dash or some other symbol. I literally need to know how your screen reader treats words or phrases that are in parenthesis so I can write to take your perception into account. The example above, combined with the previous example I gave will help a lot.



Tonea (by the way, it is pronounced Toe knee uh, with the accent on the knee.)



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis



Um, can't you just type a paragraph such as the one you wrote, into a text editor, and then get NVDA to read it back to you, so you can tell for yourself?



Bear in mind though that this might be one of those things that varies according to the speech synthesiser in use, so different users might get different effects - but at least whatever the effect is will be the same for each person as they always get for that type of input, so they should be used to it.





Antony.


Re: I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as

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Hmm we had the inverse of this in another synth not long ago I believe i4e things that were not Mexican were being read as such.
I hate this sort of abbreviation extension, the probability that it will malfunction somewhere is very good!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as


Using NVDA's Vocalizer, where or how would I make NVDA to read this Mxn$3800 as 3800 Mexican pesos? I ask this because when typing in for instance USD$230 it reads exactly right as I'd like for the Mexican currency to read. I tried putting into the pronounciation dictionary but it didn't work. any ideas?

--
Gera
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Re: Parenthesis

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Depends on the level of punctuation set and whether the level of anything has been altered by the user as I have for greater than and less than. I have also configured many symbols to speak the UK English version, ie bang is Exclamation.
So the answer really is up to the listeners settings. Some say a proof reader may put on all punctuation and symbols others, reading it as a piece of text may hate all the interruptions so have it ignore stuff.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis


How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.

Thanks!

Tonea


Re: Speech Player In Espeak has it's own issues

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General settings you can turn update alerts off,but why bother.
Are the problems that of an issue in the speech player. I seem to recall they were introduced to attempt to fix issues in Edward, but I've thus far not noticed much of a problem here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:07 AM
Subject: [nvda] Speech Player In Espeak has it's own issues


So for the last few days, I've been using Speech Player in Espeak instead of Espeak-NG. The problem is there are a few glitches in this as well and I'm seriously considering just using my portable copy of 2017.3, except that I know that version gives me update alerts.

The pronunciation glitches include some weirdness whenever the "ho" syllable is followed by a vowel. It doesn't do it with "home" or "host" but with words like "hoist" it becomes clear. And annoying. This is an issue I don't remember ever having in espeak before, so I don't know where it came from.


Is there a way to stop NVDA from flagging reminders to update? If there is, I might just go back to 2017.3 until these synth issues are fixed...


Re: Firefox Accessibility (was Re: Avg was Re: [nvda] malware bites question)

Antony Stone
 

https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/11/07/firefox-57-nvda-users-perspective is a good
source of information regarding Firefox 57 and 58 with NVDA.

Antony.

On Wednesday 13 December 2017 at 17:24:08, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Shaun:

I think I read somewhere that the Mozilla people are working on an
accessibility fix for the next version that comes out, or the
following one. Whether you can take them at their word or not remains
to be seen, but I wouldn't count them out completely yet. Meanwhile,
Google Chrome seems to work well with both NVDA and JAWS. Granted,
there a few things that you have to get used to, but the learning
curve doesn't seem to steep.

Kevin Huber

On 12/13/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
To be honest thats why I like.

1. a pc with a data drive as well as a system drive.

2. backups.

I have had security programs muck me about.

But thats not a problem, all my data is double backed up on spining
drives, the important stuff is on solid state drives and the cloud.

If something screws up, just reformat and don't do it again.

A reformat always fixes it.

I know it will take me about 2 days to install and several days to
reconfigure things.

Sadly I do not have a 2 drive system, the next powerbox I get will have
one even though the weight will be more.

My dad and brother both have this system.

That technically means that if I have a place to store configs of
things, and my data, if it screws up, in theory I can cut the restore
time in half.

It may take you days to resolve the issue.

It may take a week or 2 to fully restore but at least you know where you
go.

I use msse, and malwarebytes if something stupid goes up at me.

I do have ublock and noscript 5x on my side, still sore about what
mozilla did to firefox and web extentions, it appears they don't care
about accessibility anymore.

Its not spread to thunderbird yet and I have waterfox, that at least
runs.

And thats all I care about.

I know thats selfish but I have been there and done that.

Avg was good once.

But then norton was darn good bar a few niggles from 1995-2003, after
that it went downhill.

Which was just sad, I still respect old nav, ndd, norton speed, and
windoctor for their ease of use.

Its all gone baa humbug!


Now we must use crap software just to use our systems and not even then
is it always safe to use your programs even with that but at least you
can control it.

If you switch to something better there is no garantee that it will stay
that way.

Now I want to be protected.

Its just I really don't want to worry about program x suddenly being
marked as bad even though it was good for ages.

I don't need to reformat every couple weeks because things get deleted.

I don't want to search for things or check things were working and I
really don't care about babysitting.

In the early days I did that.

For whatever reason when I was 10 years yunger I enjoyed that.

Not so much now.

When msse first came out I realised how much time I was wasting.

I havn't found anything to compair, not that win defender is safe, false
alarms on a lot of blind games and programs not as much as other
software but still means I have to keep watch.

Even so I can still use my computer most of the time.

On 11/12/2017 11:09 p.m., Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I tried avg remover, but it is impossible to use with screen readers.

So, in the end, I suppose i have to wait till some sighted helps me.

thank you anyway and if you ave more suggestions they will be very
welcome.

ciao!

Il 11/12/2017 10:42, Ian Blackburn ha scritto:
If it’s like a vast then you need to use a clear program from the
website completely in accessible

The vast clear program makes the computer boot up into a special Mode
that you must use the mouse to operate that will clear your avast

Sent from my iPhone

On 11 Dec 2017, at 5:40 pm, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Is Avg a 64 bit install? if not then the old version of Revo will do
it or always used to.
I'd have thought that their site would give some kind of help on
removal but it may well involve the sighted. The problem is as they
now seem to belong to the same outfit as Avast they are probably
prohibiting screenreaders from hooking in to their code as well.


Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Delicata"
<angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi,

Please excuse me if the question is not close related to nvda, but
as you are talking about antivirus program, I thought I would try to
ask,

I installed avg antivirus, but as it is not so accessible, I would
like to remove it completely. it is impossible to do so because it
seems it has some problems removing itself.

does any one know how to do? If you can, please help me.

Even after installing Windows 10 avg is still here!
I really have no idea on how to handle it.
Thank you in advance.
Ciao.
Angela from Italy

Il 11/12/2017 02:05, Gary Metzler ha scritto:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on
what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do
I delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net
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Firefox Accessibility (was Re: Avg was Re: [nvda] malware bites question)

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Shaun:

I think I read somewhere that the Mozilla people are working on an
accessibility fix for the next version that comes out, or the
following one. Whether you can take them at their word or not remains
to be seen, but I wouldn't count them out completely yet. Meanwhile,
Google Chrome seems to work well with both NVDA and JAWS. Granted,
there a few things that you have to get used to, but the learning
curve doesn't seem to steep.

Kevin Huber

On 12/13/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
To be honest thats why I like.

1. a pc with a data drive as well as a system drive.

2. backups.

I have had security programs muck me about.

But thats not a problem, all my data is double backed up on spining
drives, the important stuff is on solid state drives and the cloud.

If something screws up, just reformat and don't do it again.

A reformat always fixes it.

I know it will take me about 2 days to install and several days to
reconfigure things.

Sadly I do not have a 2 drive system, the next powerbox I get will have
one even though the weight will be more.

My dad and brother both have this system.

That technically means that if I have a place to store configs of
things, and my data, if it screws up, in theory I can cut the restore
time in half.

It may take you days to resolve the issue.

It may take a week or 2 to fully restore but at least you know where you
go.

I use msse, and malwarebytes if something stupid goes up at me.

I do have ublock and noscript 5x on my side, still sore about what
mozilla did to firefox and web extentions, it appears they don't care
about accessibility anymore.

Its not spread to thunderbird yet and I have waterfox, that at least runs.

And thats all I care about.

I know thats selfish but I have been there and done that.

Avg was good once.

But then norton was darn good bar a few niggles from 1995-2003, after
that it went downhill.

Which was just sad, I still respect old nav, ndd, norton speed, and
windoctor for their ease of use.

Its all gone baa humbug!


Now we must use crap software just to use our systems and not even then
is it always safe to use your programs even with that but at least you
can control it.

If you switch to something better there is no garantee that it will stay
that way.

Now I want to be protected.

Its just I really don't want to worry about program x suddenly being
marked as bad even though it was good for ages.

I don't need to reformat every couple weeks because things get deleted.

I don't want to search for things or check things were working and I
really don't care about babysitting.

In the early days I did that.

For whatever reason when I was 10 years yunger I enjoyed that.

Not so much now.

When msse first came out I realised how much time I was wasting.

I havn't found anything to compair, not that win defender is safe, false
alarms on a lot of blind games and programs not as much as other
software but still means I have to keep watch.

Even so I can still use my computer most of the time.




On 11/12/2017 11:09 p.m., Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I tried avg remover, but it is impossible to use with screen readers.

So, in the end, I suppose i have to wait till some sighted helps me.

thank you anyway and if you ave more suggestions they will be very
welcome.

ciao!



Il 11/12/2017 10:42, Ian Blackburn ha scritto:
If it’s like a vast then you need to use a clear program from the
website completely in accessible

The vast clear program makes the computer boot up into a special Mode
that you must use the mouse to operate that will clear your avast

Sent from my iPhone

On 11 Dec 2017, at 5:40 pm, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Is Avg a 64 bit install? if not then the old version of Revo will do
it or always used to.
I'd have thought that their site would give some kind of help on
removal but it may well involve the sighted. The problem is as they
now seem to belong to the same outfit as Avast they are probably
prohibiting screenreaders from hooking in to their code as well.


Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Delicata"
<angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question


Hi,

Please excuse me if the question is not close related to nvda, but
as you are talking about antivirus program, I thought I would try to
ask,

I installed avg antivirus, but as it is not so accessible, I would
like to remove it completely. it is impossible to do so because it
seems it has some problems removing itself.

does any one know how to do? If you can, please help me.

Even after installing Windows 10 avg is still here!
I really have no idea on how to handle it.
Thank you in advance.
Ciao.
Angela from Italy

Il 11/12/2017 02:05, Gary Metzler ha scritto:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on
what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net







---
Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG.
http://www.avg.com







Re: removing avg

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Brian:

I don't think that we exist on the radar of a lot of antivirus makers,
yet, if it has to be a choice between makihng it more accessible and
making it more secure, which would you choose?

Kevin Huber

On 12/11/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yup, a friend of mine says the core part of it is protected so well that
screenreaders cannot actually get at the controls or menus.
Increasingly, anti virus makers are doing this, probably for legitimate
reasons of stopping them getting hacked but nobody seems to have thought
about us. Surely a simple self voicing uninstaller using the built in
Microsoft voice would be all that was needed.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] removing avg


Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.









Re: Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Gene:

Thanks for those new tutorials. I did not know that you can access
Safe mode with NVDA. I will check into that.
Kevin Huber

On 12/12/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi guys

Pages recently updated
Recently updated: Added links to NVDA Guides on all NVDA related pages

New: Added a tutorial How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with
the NVDA screen reader by Hareth and co to the NVDA audio tutorials page
under the troubleshooting section
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html Added a
tutorial (by Gene Asner) called Navigating ribbons in WordPad (to the NVDA
tutorials learning the basics page)
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20learning%20the%20basics.html
Added a tutorial called Using the Ribbon interface in Windows via the
keyboard (by Brian Vogel) to the NVDA tutorials for Windows 10 page.
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html

Gene NZ

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exam.


Re: Error when selecting Download voices from NVDA Vocalizer menu

Rui Fontes
 

No, it is a driver error.


Rui



Às 06:44 de 13/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

Are you sure things are just only your computer.

Try it on another, and or try it on another computer somewhere else.

Sometimes sites just screw up totally.

You can try restarting your box.

Ofcause if that happens to much, its probably your network.

Do search for cmd or comand prompt

use shift control enter to get admin rights, say yes.

then do ipconfig /flushdns

then exit.

Its saved me from restarting, you log back in and if it works then your net is out of sync with the network.

I have found this happens from time to time and have no idea why it does.




On 12/12/2017 2:49 a.m., Gerardo Corripio wrote:
Am I the only one, that when activating the download Extra voices from THE NVDA Vocalizer menu that one gets when installing and activating the NVDA Vocalizer voice package, I get an error page? Hopefully this can be fixed in an update, because it'd save time in wanting to browse to see what other voices there are, especially trying the Premium ones.