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Re: Avast and accessibility
Angela Delicata
NO, actually, I was able to remove Avast with no removing tool: I used screen reader with the help of Braille display and cursors.
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All the Best Angela from Italy
Il 13/12/2017 19:36, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Did you not have to download a removal tool?
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Re: Website Where NVDA does not read main article
Gene
My suggestion evidently won't work in this case
because this is the actual page of the article. Did you read below the
links? there is a brief advertisement and I see the article below
that. I don't know what the links are supposed to do but let us know if
you can see the article if you let the page read.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] Website Where NVDA does not read main
article I am using both Firefox and Edge browser. When I visit the following website for a fix for the WIFI vulnerability, all I see under the article title located half way down the page are 9 links that when activated, go no where. I wonder just what is going on and how it can be remedied. https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/16/heres-what-you-can-do-to-protect-yourself-from-the-krack-wifi-vulnerability/ -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Parenthesis
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
I disagree. My grandmother went deaf when she got into her seventies. I saw how it isolated her. She couldn’t get phone calls from her sons who lived out of state. People would get frustrated with her. Or, she would see how frustrated they were getting and then get frustrated herself because she was doing the best she could.
Proper communication is a fundamental human right essential to everyone’s well-being, in my opinion. But, I’m a loud mouth.
Changing sidewalks for wheel chair access made it easier for the blind, or so I am told. I know it made it easier for the elderly who had to use walkers. Someone who needs a walker because of a balance issue, not a strength issue, is more likely to fall at a curb. So the strength can fade away from unwillingness to walk and fear of being tripped up on curbs. Thus ramps have helped more than the wheel-chair bound.
As for my grandmother, I set her up with a phone that did email. The sons could send her email and she could hear from them, even if she never did figure out how to respond (this was the middle of the 1990s). That meant a lot to her.
These new access standards also address limited cognitive abilities, cultural differences, and alternate languages. As a former teacher, I am aware of cultural bias in testing. Cultural bias exists in web pages too, like when they assume that you know what wild cards are in a search engine and which one does which function. That’s technical bias.
People omit things to make them brief (unlike my letter here) or to make themselves elite (because you have to be in the know to understand). Requiring brevity by omitting things is not the same as including it and allowing people to skip what they want. A sighted person just skips over double wording as standard operating procedure. We see it so often. If you have to go back and decode something, that takes longer.
Tonea
----- Original Message -----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
But I don't believe in altering standard text for screen-readers on a site for the general public. Maybe, on a site intended only or almost exclusively for blind people. I haven't given that any thought. But when we read books, if a chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it causes problems, or we don't. This sort of thing goes far beyond the requirements of accessibility. Screen-reader users have a responsibility to know something about the program they are using. If all caps did cause me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced correctly. You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to drive can drive on it. You build a street for licensed drivers. You shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not know how to use their screen-readers.
Gene
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Re: Website Where NVDA does not read main article
Gene
You might try entering something into a search
engine that will make the actual page of the article come up. Then if you
follow the link, you may be placed on the page with the article available
there. I tried that when someone was having a problem two or three months
ago getting to a page from the page the person was on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] Website Where NVDA does not read main
article I am using both Firefox and Edge browser. When I visit the following website for a fix for the WIFI vulnerability, all I see under the article title located half way down the page are 9 links that when activated, go no where. I wonder just what is going on and how it can be remedied. https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/16/heres-what-you-can-do-to-protect-yourself-from-the-krack-wifi-vulnerability/ -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Website Where NVDA does not read main article
Dan Kerstetter
I just had a look with both NVDA and JAWS 2018. The text of the article is below the "share" links and an advertisement frame.
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HTH Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 2:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Website Where NVDA does not read main article Hi Group, I am using both Firefox and Edge browser. When I visit the following website for a fix for the WIFI vulnerability, all I see under the article title located half way down the page are 9 links that when activated, go no where. I wonder just what is going on and how it can be remedied. https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/16/heres-what-you-can-do-to-protect-yourself-from-the-krack-wifi-vulnerability/ -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Parenthesis
Gene
One thing you could do is add an extra line at the
end of the text, using black on black contrast. Screen-readers will read
it but people won't see it. The line might list the wildcard characters
and make whatever brief comments you have in mind. You might want to write
out the signs such as with the word asterisk. But if it is preferable for
sighted users to leave the line they would see as it is, this would avoid any
degreedation of the site from a sighted user's point of view.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
But I don't believe in altering standard text for
screen-readers on a site for the general public. Maybe, on a site intended
only or almost exclusively for blind people.
I haven't given that any thought. But when we read books, if a
chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it
causes problems, or we don't. This sort of thing goes far beyond the
requirements of accessibility. Screen-reader users have a responsibility
to know something about the program they are using. If all caps did cause
me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced
correctly. You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to
drive can drive on it. You build a street for licensed drivers. You
shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not
know how to use their screen-readers.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis All caps are not read any differently than any other text. Devin Prater Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified. > On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote: > > With my punctuation set to some, it pauses on either side of the > parenthesis. A comma does the same thing, so I would have to guess which > is a paren and which a comma. Not that big a deal for me. If I really want > to know, I'll investigate on my own. I don't know about other punctuation > levels as about all I use is some, so others would be able to answer that > better. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tonea.ctr.morrow@... > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:12 AM > Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis > > How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does > speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly > unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how > my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively. > > Thanks! > > Tonea > >
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Re: How does it treat symbols in quotes?
Brian Moore
Hi. I don't think you need to re-write anything. IF the user has their punctuation turned off, then they should understand the consequences of that action and it is not your responsibility as a content author to accommodate every possible configuration a user may change.
just imho
Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123 On 12/13/2017 1:49 PM,
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Website Where NVDA does not read main article
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
I am using both Firefox and Edge browser. When I visit the following website for a fix for the WIFI vulnerability, all I see under the article title located half way down the page are 9 links that when activated, go no where. I wonder just what is going on and how it can be remedied. https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/16/heres-what-you-can-do-to-protect-yourself-from-the-krack-wifi-vulnerability/ -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Caption location
Brian Moore
well, window-eyes is no longer available and Zoomtext is more of a magnification program although it does have some screen reading capability although it is somewhat limited.
However, these changes are recent and big orgs move slowly so this might still be the approved list!
Hope not.
Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123 On 12/13/2017 1:59 PM,
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Re: Caption location
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
I went through the approved list of software and found JAWS and Window Eyes and Zoom Text. I know I won’t get JAWS because it is too expensive. You really, really have to justify that much money.
I did put in a request for NVDA on the chance that my copy of approved software is outdated. If it isn’t approved, it doesn’t matter if it is free.
We’ll see what comes of things.
Tonea
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location
If the texts are to be packaged as PDF it becomes even more important to have a screenreader as tagging the reading order through a document is very very important. Brian
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Re: Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
hi
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The same i use to do it the old way when i had a little sight if i remember right it was like pressing the f8 key until it gave me some options and one of them been safe mode. But when you were there the screen reader would not work. I installed the patch on this machine here then done the steps to go into safe mode confirm it look around then go back out of it. It will help next time if i ever have to go there for any reason that i can not do normally. We do not know if it works on a windows 8 machine so that is why it only says 7 and 10. I used to have a windows 8 machie but upgraded tit to 10 but if some body else trys it out and it works on a few machines will mention it there 2. Gene nz
On 12/14/2017 4:46 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Gene: Thanks for those new tutorials. I did not know that you can access Safe mode with NVDA. I will check into that. Kevin Huber On 12/12/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:Hi guys Pages recently updated Recently updated: Added links to NVDA Guides on all NVDA related pages New: Added a tutorial How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader by Hareth and co to the NVDA audio tutorials page under the troubleshooting section http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html Added a tutorial (by Gene Asner) called Navigating ribbons in WordPad (to the NVDA tutorials learning the basics page) http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20learning%20the%20basics.html Added a tutorial called Using the Ribbon interface in Windows via the keyboard (by Brian Vogel) to the NVDA tutorials for Windows 10 page. http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html Gene NZ -- [Image NVDA certified expert] Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam. --
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Re: how to read a popup window on a web page
Gene
You can't navigate a page until it fully
loads. Sounds may be nice but this is important for blind Internet users
to understand, with or without sounds. And if you move to the address bar
and tab around that area, you will see an item that tells you that a page is
loading if it still is. I have nothing against a sound that tells you if a
page is loading, but these are still things people should know. I don't
trust notifications to always be accurate. People should be able to check
what is going on aside from something like a sound if there is a
way.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web
page Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page Well, I think I figured it out. This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine. I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings. I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before they were actually loaded on to the page. When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that time. Rusty On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote: > Hey Hermann, > Thanks! > the site is > frettie.com > > > There will be songs available when you first go to the page. > Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check > out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the > song. Then search for the "lyrics" link. > > Thanks! > Rusty > > On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote: >> Hey Rusty, >> >> to which site for songwriters are You subscribed? >> I am using NVDA as well. >> I will have a try on the site. >> >> >> Greetings - Hermann >> >> >> >> >> >> ■■■ >> >> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr >>> Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...> >>> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>> Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page >>> >>> Hey folks, >>> I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one >>> to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up >>> in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to >>> read it with NVDA. >>> If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I >>> can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own. >>> Any thoughts or suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Rusty >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >
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How does it treat symbols in quotes?
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Okay, based on feedback I am designing my help files for HTML format. This does support a frame setup: the top or header frame has navigation buttons and the logo that links back to the main page. Left frame has the table of contents, index, and search. Right frame is the display window.
Here is my question--on the search frame, I have the following sentence:
Enter one or more keywords to search (the wildcards supported are '*' for one or more unknown characters and '?' for a single unknown character):
If you have punctuation turned off, do I need to rewrite that sentence to something like this:
Enter one or more keywords to search (the wildcards supported are '*' asterisk for one or more unknown characters and '?' question mark for a single unknown character):
Also, any comments you want to make about frames is fine too!
Thanks!
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Re: nvda unresponsiveness
Casey <cwollner@...>
hi have you order A machine from them before? If so how and you tell them what all you want in the machine and how do you select your drives and programs and all of that?
On 12/13/2017 12:17 PM, Sarah k Alawami
wrote:
If you want a pc with no bloat ware go to this link. They are wonderful and they even sell gear. Oh and all of the pcs are built in my birth place in the USA. -- Casey
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Re: Firefox Accessibility (was Re: Avg was Re: [nvda] malware bites question)
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
I am using version 58 b of fire fox and I am not having any problems with it or not that i have come across yet.
Gene nz
On 12/14/2017 5:58 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/11/07/firefox-57-nvda-users-perspective is a good source of information regarding Firefox 57 and 58 with NVDA. Antony. On Wednesday 13 December 2017 at 17:24:08, Kevin Huber wrote:Hi Shaun: I think I read somewhere that the Mozilla people are working on an accessibility fix for the next version that comes out, or the following one. Whether you can take them at their word or not remains to be seen, but I wouldn't count them out completely yet. Meanwhile, Google Chrome seems to work well with both NVDA and JAWS. Granted, there a few things that you have to get used to, but the learning curve doesn't seem to steep. Kevin Huber On 12/13/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:To be honest thats why I like. 1. a pc with a data drive as well as a system drive. 2. backups. I have had security programs muck me about. But thats not a problem, all my data is double backed up on spining drives, the important stuff is on solid state drives and the cloud. If something screws up, just reformat and don't do it again. A reformat always fixes it. I know it will take me about 2 days to install and several days to reconfigure things. Sadly I do not have a 2 drive system, the next powerbox I get will have one even though the weight will be more. My dad and brother both have this system. That technically means that if I have a place to store configs of things, and my data, if it screws up, in theory I can cut the restore time in half. It may take you days to resolve the issue. It may take a week or 2 to fully restore but at least you know where you go. I use msse, and malwarebytes if something stupid goes up at me. I do have ublock and noscript 5x on my side, still sore about what mozilla did to firefox and web extentions, it appears they don't care about accessibility anymore. Its not spread to thunderbird yet and I have waterfox, that at least runs. And thats all I care about. I know thats selfish but I have been there and done that. Avg was good once. But then norton was darn good bar a few niggles from 1995-2003, after that it went downhill. Which was just sad, I still respect old nav, ndd, norton speed, and windoctor for their ease of use. Its all gone baa humbug! Now we must use crap software just to use our systems and not even then is it always safe to use your programs even with that but at least you can control it. If you switch to something better there is no garantee that it will stay that way. Now I want to be protected. Its just I really don't want to worry about program x suddenly being marked as bad even though it was good for ages. I don't need to reformat every couple weeks because things get deleted. I don't want to search for things or check things were working and I really don't care about babysitting. In the early days I did that. For whatever reason when I was 10 years yunger I enjoyed that. Not so much now. When msse first came out I realised how much time I was wasting. I havn't found anything to compair, not that win defender is safe, false alarms on a lot of blind games and programs not as much as other software but still means I have to keep watch. Even so I can still use my computer most of the time. On 11/12/2017 11:09 p.m., Angela Delicata wrote:Hi, I tried avg remover, but it is impossible to use with screen readers. So, in the end, I suppose i have to wait till some sighted helps me. thank you anyway and if you ave more suggestions they will be very welcome. ciao! Il 11/12/2017 10:42, Ian Blackburn ha scritto:If it’s like a vast then you need to use a clear program from the website completely in accessible The vast clear program makes the computer boot up into a special Mode that you must use the mouse to operate that will clear your avast Sent from my iPhone On 11 Dec 2017, at 5:40 pm, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: Is Avg a 64 bit install? if not then the old version of Revo will do it or always used to. I'd have thought that their site would give some kind of help on removal but it may well involve the sighted. The problem is as they now seem to belong to the same outfit as Avast they are probably prohibiting screenreaders from hooking in to their code as well. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites questionHi, Please excuse me if the question is not close related to nvda, but as you are talking about antivirus program, I thought I would try to ask, I installed avg antivirus, but as it is not so accessible, I would like to remove it completely. it is impossible to do so because it seems it has some problems removing itself. does any one know how to do? If you can, please help me. Even after installing Windows 10 avg is still here! I really have no idea on how to handle it. Thank you in advance. Ciao. Angela from Italy Il 11/12/2017 02:05, Gary Metzler ha scritto:Hi Anthony, The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question What problem did it report? Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do about it. Antony.On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote: Hi All, I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@... --
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Re: Firefox Accessibility (was Re: Avg was Re: [nvda] malware bites question)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Just use the ESR version and wait it out to see what occurs.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Firefox Accessibility (was Re: Avg was Re: [nvda] malware bites question) https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/11/07/firefox-57-nvda-users-perspective is a good source of information regarding Firefox 57 and 58 with NVDA. Antony. On Wednesday 13 December 2017 at 17:24:08, Kevin Huber wrote: Hi Shaun:-- Most people have more than the average number of legs. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Parenthesis
Gene
But I don't believe in altering standard text for
screen-readers on a site for the general public. Maybe, on a site intended
only or almost exclusively for blind people.
I haven't given that any thought. But when we read books, if a
chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it
causes problems, or we don't. This sort of thing goes far beyond the
requirements of accessibility. Screen-reader users have a responsibility
to know something about the program they are using. If all caps did cause
me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced
correctly. You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to
drive can drive on it. You build a street for licensed drivers. You
shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not
know how to use their screen-readers.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis All caps are not read any differently than any other text. Devin Prater Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified. > On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote: > > With my punctuation set to some, it pauses on either side of the > parenthesis. A comma does the same thing, so I would have to guess which > is a paren and which a comma. Not that big a deal for me. If I really want > to know, I'll investigate on my own. I don't know about other punctuation > levels as about all I use is some, so others would be able to answer that > better. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tonea.ctr.morrow@... > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:12 AM > Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis > > How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does > speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly > unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how > my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively. > > Thanks! > > Tonea > >
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Re: removing avg
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
More accessible and a good tutorial about what to avoid online as hazards I think. I only use Microsoft's own, but even that in its latest defender guise has creeping problems it seems.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Kevin Huber" <kevin.huber1@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] removing avg Hi Brian:
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Re: Avast and accessibility
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Did you not have to download a removal tool?
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Avast and accessibility Yes, for me it is better because at least I was able to remove it myself with no sighted help, but it is not so accessible anyway: I would not suggest it to anyone.
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Re: Avast and accessibility
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Its not accessible at all unless you disable half the protection. It protects itself so well screenreaders acannot get at the screen to even read and control it.
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Its a catch 22, if you allow us in some nasty person will exploit it. brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Dan Beaver" <dbeaver888@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:42 PM Subject: [nvda] Avast and accessibility Hi,
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