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Re: Website Where NVDA does not read main article
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
I guess I'm getting old. The article body is way below the headers. I saw the reference to the 'next article' about IBM devices and then the large advertisement and I got lazy and didn't read any further. Sorry for the misinformation.
On 12/13/2017 2:26 PM, Gene wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: nvda unresponsiveness
I have. that's why I'm recomding them. The process is fully accessible and they get the building done in under 2 weeks. Or maybe a bit over two weeks. You select the programs and you can even have a logo on the case if you want. You can even if you want to have them shipp it in a wooden crate, I did not do this by the way. But the crate is thick and protects from bumps. I didn't want that, but the machine still is awesome, I even have a kenzington lock for my machine as well. I emailed them after I placed the order and asked them to turn the volume all the way up so I can complete the set up myself. That was awesome, they did it all for me and helped me with anything else I needed.. They would have probably installed nvda if I wanted them to as well, but I didn't as I had a ninite installer on a flash drive I use for such things.
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Re: Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net
abdul muhamin
Wow, good work. Keepit up
regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:01 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net
Hi guys -- Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition ofWelcome to NVDA tutorials set?
abdul muhamin
Hi Josaph, your tutorials are best, I’m waiting for your tutorial, please record it soon!
regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
From: zahra
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 10:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition ofWelcome to NVDA tutorials set?
hello joseph. your tutorial and posts to the list are very great. i remember my first experience using nvda with farsi translated of your tutorial for nvda 2013 it was very great and helped me in many ways. i realy wish that have your english tutorial and appreciate your help. i sincerely pray for you every day and request divine infinite mercy and special blessings for you!
On 12/9/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: > Dear global NVDA community, > > > > After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some > tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 > edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there > are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training > module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my > tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide. > > > > For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at: > > http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials > > > > If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with > some conditions: > > > > * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest > snapshot features. > * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update). > * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, > I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access. > * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks > to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub. > * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode > demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge. > > > > Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say > I > should do it: > > > > * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos. > * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve > recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command > line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on > Controlled Folder Access. > * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some > command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others. > * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, > especially more universal app examples. > * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with > Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly > and > elements list improvements. > * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples. > * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, > including Windows 10 OCR and many others. > * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition. > * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including > Remote Support add-on. > * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots > and what not. > > > > Comments are appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Joseph > >
-- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Re: Parenthesis
Gene
That's beyond my knowledge but someone will
probably answer the question. It's no reflection on you that you didn't
think of it. Why should you? the only reason I know about it is that
I've gone to web pages that say things such as screen-reader users, follow this
link to do this or that and I've seen discussions of how this is done to make
them invisible for sighted users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis Bouncing my forehead against my palm, “Duh!”
I do that kind of thing all the time, why didn’t I think of doing it for the screen reader?
For example, I needed to make a table of contents for graphics within a PDF. I put the graphic on the line, the customary leader of five alternating periods and spaces and then where the page number would go was left blank. I then put an anchor on the graphic where it was used in the document. I went back to the leader periods and made them a hyperlink to the anchor. When I made the file a PDF, I turned off coloring and underlining the links. Thus, to a sighted person, the leader dots between the graphic and the page number don’t look like a hyperlink. And, the PDF inserted the page numbers for me. To the PDF, it thought it was inserting page numbers for the link. To the sighted person, they are page numbers to the graphic!
Sadly, for you , it would have read something like “Start hyperlink Start . . . . . page 3”. Which begs the question, does NVDA read pdf page references? --Sorry for the digression.
Anyway, I’ll look into your suggestion.
Tonea
----- Original Message ----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
One thing you could do is add an extra line at the end of the text, using black on black contrast. Screen-readers will read it but people won't see it. The line might list the wildcard characters and make whatever brief comments you have in mind. You might want to write out the signs such as with the word asterisk. But if it is preferable for sighted users to leave the line they would see as it is, this would avoid any degreedation of the site from a sighted user's point of view.
Gene
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Re: Parenthesis
Gene
I have no objection to altering web pages in ways
that screen-readers can read them and that don't degrade the page for sighted
users. But making changes that degrade the page for sighted users isn't in
the interest of blind people, I would argue. It doesn't help the image of
blind people if sighted people learn that a web page has been altered to make it
less attractive or usable to them. Blind people can and should get
tutorials or some sort of instruction on using computers including the
Internet. If they don't know about such instruction, then more efforts to
inform the general public should be made.
Where do you draw the line? A small
modification here and there that may make a site less intuitave for a sighted
user and from there, how do you deal with this argument or problem?
Screen-readers render web sites in the following
manner:
The links a sighted person sees running down the
left side of the page, the blind person seess as a block at the top. Below
that, is the main text a sighted person sees running ddown the right side of the
screen, the blind person sees as a block at the bottom of the screen.
Unfortunately, for various reasons, large numbers of blind people don't learn
how to navigate pages well on the Internet. Leaving aside the reasons for
this in this message, if someone argued that the links that run down the left
side of web pages should be removed, would you favor that? As I said,
where do you draw the line? Removing those links would mean that a blind
person could go to a page with an article and just start reading the article
without knowing how to move to it. At present, there are many ways a blind
person can efficiently find an article in the majority of cases. the
person can try moving by heading because the article often begins with a
heading. Screen-readers, in addition to move by heading commands, also
have a command that skips blocks of links and that command, if executed once or
twice, often puts the person at or close to the start of the article. If a
blind person doesn't know these sorts of things, the Internet will be very
cumbersome to use. But you can't change the Internet in ways like removing
the links that run down the left sides of web pages. Blind people need to
learn how to do these things.
I'm not advocating technical bias. I'm
advocating education. If you make small changes such as writing the word
asterisk instead of star, that may be innocuous. But I suspect that the
reason you originally used * is because sighted people immediately see the
symbol and, whether they are sure what an asterisk is or not, they know what a *
is or if they have any doubts, they can find it on their keyboards. If you
try to do too much accomodation that degrades web pages for them, it may cause
resentment among sighted people and that isn't good for blind people in the long
run. I firmly don't believe in degrading things for sighted users.
If accomodations can be made that don't cause degredation, that's fine, as in my
previous message, where I discussed using black on black contrast. There
are all sorts of accomodations that can be made that don't degrade the page for
sighted users.
Also, if it is not a degredation to write something
like asterisk that's fine, too. But I'm saying
that in accomodating blind users, it is important not to degrade the page for
sighted users. You may not have any such accomodations in mind, but I'm
presenting my position in case it helps you decide which accomodations are
reasonable and which not and when to ask about accomodations that wouldn't
degrade a page but would still benefit blind people.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis I disagree. My grandmother went deaf when she got into her seventies. I saw how it isolated her. She couldn’t get phone calls from her sons who lived out of state. People would get frustrated with her. Or, she would see how frustrated they were getting and then get frustrated herself because she was doing the best she could.
Proper communication is a fundamental human right essential to everyone’s well-being, in my opinion. But, I’m a loud mouth.
Changing sidewalks for wheel chair access made it easier for the blind, or so I am told. I know it made it easier for the elderly who had to use walkers. Someone who needs a walker because of a balance issue, not a strength issue, is more likely to fall at a curb. So the strength can fade away from unwillingness to walk and fear of being tripped up on curbs. Thus ramps have helped more than the wheel-chair bound.
As for my grandmother, I set her up with a phone that did email. The sons could send her email and she could hear from them, even if she never did figure out how to respond (this was the middle of the 1990s). That meant a lot to her.
These new access standards also address limited cognitive abilities, cultural differences, and alternate languages. As a former teacher, I am aware of cultural bias in testing. Cultural bias exists in web pages too, like when they assume that you know what wild cards are in a search engine and which one does which function. That’s technical bias.
People omit things to make them brief (unlike my letter here) or to make themselves elite (because you have to be in the know to understand). Requiring brevity by omitting things is not the same as including it and allowing people to skip what they want. A sighted person just skips over double wording as standard operating procedure. We see it so often. If you have to go back and decode something, that takes longer.
Tonea
----- Original Message ----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
But I don't believe in altering standard text for screen-readers on a site for the general public. Maybe, on a site intended only or almost exclusively for blind people. I haven't given that any thought. But when we read books, if a chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it causes problems, or we don't. This sort of thing goes far beyond the requirements of accessibility. Screen-reader users have a responsibility to know something about the program they are using. If all caps did cause me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced correctly. You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to drive can drive on it. You build a street for licensed drivers. You shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not know how to use their screen-readers.
Gene
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Re: Parenthesis
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Bouncing my forehead against my palm, “Duh!”
I do that kind of thing all the time, why didn’t I think of doing it for the screen reader?
For example, I needed to make a table of contents for graphics within a PDF. I put the graphic on the line, the customary leader of five alternating periods and spaces and then where the page number would go was left blank. I then put an anchor on the graphic where it was used in the document. I went back to the leader periods and made them a hyperlink to the anchor. When I made the file a PDF, I turned off coloring and underlining the links. Thus, to a sighted person, the leader dots between the graphic and the page number don’t look like a hyperlink. And, the PDF inserted the page numbers for me. To the PDF, it thought it was inserting page numbers for the link. To the sighted person, they are page numbers to the graphic!
Sadly, for you , it would have read something like “Start hyperlink Start . . . . . page 3”. Which begs the question, does NVDA read pdf page references? --Sorry for the digression.
Anyway, I’ll look into your suggestion.
Tonea
----- Original Message -----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
One thing you could do is add an extra line at the end of the text, using black on black contrast. Screen-readers will read it but people won't see it. The line might list the wildcard characters and make whatever brief comments you have in mind. You might want to write out the signs such as with the word asterisk. But if it is preferable for sighted users to leave the line they would see as it is, this would avoid any degreedation of the site from a sighted user's point of view.
Gene
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Re: Avast and accessibility
Angela Delicata
NO, actually, I was able to remove Avast with no removing tool: I used screen reader with the help of Braille display and cursors.
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All the Best Angela from Italy
Il 13/12/2017 19:36, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Did you not have to download a removal tool?
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Re: Website Where NVDA does not read main article
Gene
My suggestion evidently won't work in this case
because this is the actual page of the article. Did you read below the
links? there is a brief advertisement and I see the article below
that. I don't know what the links are supposed to do but let us know if
you can see the article if you let the page read.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] Website Where NVDA does not read main
article I am using both Firefox and Edge browser. When I visit the following website for a fix for the WIFI vulnerability, all I see under the article title located half way down the page are 9 links that when activated, go no where. I wonder just what is going on and how it can be remedied. https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/16/heres-what-you-can-do-to-protect-yourself-from-the-krack-wifi-vulnerability/ -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Parenthesis
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
I disagree. My grandmother went deaf when she got into her seventies. I saw how it isolated her. She couldn’t get phone calls from her sons who lived out of state. People would get frustrated with her. Or, she would see how frustrated they were getting and then get frustrated herself because she was doing the best she could.
Proper communication is a fundamental human right essential to everyone’s well-being, in my opinion. But, I’m a loud mouth.
Changing sidewalks for wheel chair access made it easier for the blind, or so I am told. I know it made it easier for the elderly who had to use walkers. Someone who needs a walker because of a balance issue, not a strength issue, is more likely to fall at a curb. So the strength can fade away from unwillingness to walk and fear of being tripped up on curbs. Thus ramps have helped more than the wheel-chair bound.
As for my grandmother, I set her up with a phone that did email. The sons could send her email and she could hear from them, even if she never did figure out how to respond (this was the middle of the 1990s). That meant a lot to her.
These new access standards also address limited cognitive abilities, cultural differences, and alternate languages. As a former teacher, I am aware of cultural bias in testing. Cultural bias exists in web pages too, like when they assume that you know what wild cards are in a search engine and which one does which function. That’s technical bias.
People omit things to make them brief (unlike my letter here) or to make themselves elite (because you have to be in the know to understand). Requiring brevity by omitting things is not the same as including it and allowing people to skip what they want. A sighted person just skips over double wording as standard operating procedure. We see it so often. If you have to go back and decode something, that takes longer.
Tonea
----- Original Message -----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
But I don't believe in altering standard text for screen-readers on a site for the general public. Maybe, on a site intended only or almost exclusively for blind people. I haven't given that any thought. But when we read books, if a chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it causes problems, or we don't. This sort of thing goes far beyond the requirements of accessibility. Screen-reader users have a responsibility to know something about the program they are using. If all caps did cause me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced correctly. You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to drive can drive on it. You build a street for licensed drivers. You shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not know how to use their screen-readers.
Gene
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Re: Website Where NVDA does not read main article
Gene
You might try entering something into a search
engine that will make the actual page of the article come up. Then if you
follow the link, you may be placed on the page with the article available
there. I tried that when someone was having a problem two or three months
ago getting to a page from the page the person was on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] Website Where NVDA does not read main
article I am using both Firefox and Edge browser. When I visit the following website for a fix for the WIFI vulnerability, all I see under the article title located half way down the page are 9 links that when activated, go no where. I wonder just what is going on and how it can be remedied. https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/16/heres-what-you-can-do-to-protect-yourself-from-the-krack-wifi-vulnerability/ -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Website Where NVDA does not read main article
Dan Kerstetter
I just had a look with both NVDA and JAWS 2018. The text of the article is below the "share" links and an advertisement frame.
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HTH Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 2:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Website Where NVDA does not read main article Hi Group, I am using both Firefox and Edge browser. When I visit the following website for a fix for the WIFI vulnerability, all I see under the article title located half way down the page are 9 links that when activated, go no where. I wonder just what is going on and how it can be remedied. https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/16/heres-what-you-can-do-to-protect-yourself-from-the-krack-wifi-vulnerability/ -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Parenthesis
Gene
One thing you could do is add an extra line at the
end of the text, using black on black contrast. Screen-readers will read
it but people won't see it. The line might list the wildcard characters
and make whatever brief comments you have in mind. You might want to write
out the signs such as with the word asterisk. But if it is preferable for
sighted users to leave the line they would see as it is, this would avoid any
degreedation of the site from a sighted user's point of view.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
But I don't believe in altering standard text for
screen-readers on a site for the general public. Maybe, on a site intended
only or almost exclusively for blind people.
I haven't given that any thought. But when we read books, if a
chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it
causes problems, or we don't. This sort of thing goes far beyond the
requirements of accessibility. Screen-reader users have a responsibility
to know something about the program they are using. If all caps did cause
me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced
correctly. You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to
drive can drive on it. You build a street for licensed drivers. You
shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not
know how to use their screen-readers.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis All caps are not read any differently than any other text. Devin Prater Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified. > On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote: > > With my punctuation set to some, it pauses on either side of the > parenthesis. A comma does the same thing, so I would have to guess which > is a paren and which a comma. Not that big a deal for me. If I really want > to know, I'll investigate on my own. I don't know about other punctuation > levels as about all I use is some, so others would be able to answer that > better. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tonea.ctr.morrow@... > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:12 AM > Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis > > How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does > speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly > unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how > my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively. > > Thanks! > > Tonea > >
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Re: How does it treat symbols in quotes?
Brian Moore
Hi. I don't think you need to re-write anything. IF the user has their punctuation turned off, then they should understand the consequences of that action and it is not your responsibility as a content author to accommodate every possible configuration a user may change.
just imho
Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123 On 12/13/2017 1:49 PM,
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Website Where NVDA does not read main article
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
I am using both Firefox and Edge browser. When I visit the following website for a fix for the WIFI vulnerability, all I see under the article title located half way down the page are 9 links that when activated, go no where. I wonder just what is going on and how it can be remedied. https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/16/heres-what-you-can-do-to-protect-yourself-from-the-krack-wifi-vulnerability/ -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Caption location
Brian Moore
well, window-eyes is no longer available and Zoomtext is more of a magnification program although it does have some screen reading capability although it is somewhat limited.
However, these changes are recent and big orgs move slowly so this might still be the approved list!
Hope not.
Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123 On 12/13/2017 1:59 PM,
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Re: Caption location
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
I went through the approved list of software and found JAWS and Window Eyes and Zoom Text. I know I won’t get JAWS because it is too expensive. You really, really have to justify that much money.
I did put in a request for NVDA on the chance that my copy of approved software is outdated. If it isn’t approved, it doesn’t matter if it is free.
We’ll see what comes of things.
Tonea
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location
If the texts are to be packaged as PDF it becomes even more important to have a screenreader as tagging the reading order through a document is very very important. Brian
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Re: Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
hi
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
The same i use to do it the old way when i had a little sight if i remember right it was like pressing the f8 key until it gave me some options and one of them been safe mode. But when you were there the screen reader would not work. I installed the patch on this machine here then done the steps to go into safe mode confirm it look around then go back out of it. It will help next time if i ever have to go there for any reason that i can not do normally. We do not know if it works on a windows 8 machine so that is why it only says 7 and 10. I used to have a windows 8 machie but upgraded tit to 10 but if some body else trys it out and it works on a few machines will mention it there 2. Gene nz
On 12/14/2017 4:46 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Gene: Thanks for those new tutorials. I did not know that you can access Safe mode with NVDA. I will check into that. Kevin Huber On 12/12/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:Hi guys Pages recently updated Recently updated: Added links to NVDA Guides on all NVDA related pages New: Added a tutorial How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader by Hareth and co to the NVDA audio tutorials page under the troubleshooting section http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html Added a tutorial (by Gene Asner) called Navigating ribbons in WordPad (to the NVDA tutorials learning the basics page) http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20learning%20the%20basics.html Added a tutorial called Using the Ribbon interface in Windows via the keyboard (by Brian Vogel) to the NVDA tutorials for Windows 10 page. http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html Gene NZ -- [Image NVDA certified expert] Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam. --
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Re: how to read a popup window on a web page
Gene
You can't navigate a page until it fully
loads. Sounds may be nice but this is important for blind Internet users
to understand, with or without sounds. And if you move to the address bar
and tab around that area, you will see an item that tells you that a page is
loading if it still is. I have nothing against a sound that tells you if a
page is loading, but these are still things people should know. I don't
trust notifications to always be accurate. People should be able to check
what is going on aside from something like a sound if there is a
way.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web
page Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page Well, I think I figured it out. This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine. I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings. I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before they were actually loaded on to the page. When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that time. Rusty On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote: > Hey Hermann, > Thanks! > the site is > frettie.com > > > There will be songs available when you first go to the page. > Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check > out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the > song. Then search for the "lyrics" link. > > Thanks! > Rusty > > On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote: >> Hey Rusty, >> >> to which site for songwriters are You subscribed? >> I am using NVDA as well. >> I will have a try on the site. >> >> >> Greetings - Hermann >> >> >> >> >> >> ■■■ >> >> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr >>> Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...> >>> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>> Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page >>> >>> Hey folks, >>> I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one >>> to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up >>> in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to >>> read it with NVDA. >>> If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I >>> can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own. >>> Any thoughts or suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Rusty >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >
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How does it treat symbols in quotes?
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Okay, based on feedback I am designing my help files for HTML format. This does support a frame setup: the top or header frame has navigation buttons and the logo that links back to the main page. Left frame has the table of contents, index, and search. Right frame is the display window.
Here is my question--on the search frame, I have the following sentence:
Enter one or more keywords to search (the wildcards supported are '*' for one or more unknown characters and '?' for a single unknown character):
If you have punctuation turned off, do I need to rewrite that sentence to something like this:
Enter one or more keywords to search (the wildcards supported are '*' asterisk for one or more unknown characters and '?' question mark for a single unknown character):
Also, any comments you want to make about frames is fine too!
Thanks!
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