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Re: nvda volume
Quentin Christensen
As Robert mentioned, you can use what we call the "Synth settings ring". To clarify the keystrokes for this, as they vary depending on your setup. Firstly, your NVDA modifier key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK. Also, if you have NVDA set to use Laptop keyboard layout, add SHIFT to these keystrokes: Change between adjusting speech rate / volume / voice / pitch etc (the exact options vary between synths): Press NVDA+control+left or right arrow Increase current setting: NVDA+control+up arrow Decrease current setting: NVDA+control+down arrow So, if you are using the default INSERT key as the NVDA modifier and desktop keyboard layout. To change options is insert+control+right arrow or Insert+control+left arrow. If you are using caps lock as your NVDA modifier key and using Laptop keyboard layout, then change options with caps lock+control+shift+right arrow Note that you can set the NVDA modifier key to either insert or caps lock, independently of whether NVDA uses desktop or laptop keyboard layout. See the User Guide for more information on the synth settings ring: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#SynthSettingsRing Kind regards Quentin.
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
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Re: Caption location
Hello tonea,
I understand that you're not allowed to install NVDA or JAWS on your work computer without approval from the IT department but, assuming you have your own personal computer at home, have you not thought of installing NVDA on it, just to get a feel for how screen reading software works? Alternatively, could you not arrange a half day visit to a vision rehab training center and ask them to show you JAWS or NVDA in use, and demonstrate how a user can switch the verbocity of punctuation symbols and what effect that has? On your home computer you could try creating a dummy document with parentheses, for example, to see how NVDA reads them, and you would find many people on this list only too happy to tell you where to find the setting to switch symbol level from all to most to some and then to none. Why not install NVDA at home and then look at your department's public website and read the webpages and PDF file downloads and find out how a visually impaired person using NVDA would experience them? I've worked as a sighted Civil Servant for the Department of Transport in London, and as a blind person on a contract for the Environmental Protection Agency in the US, and I must say it's heartwarming to see somebody so keen to understand how blind and visually impaired people experience the world in which you work :) Giles
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Re: remote 2.0 issue
George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
Thanks for the help, John. No, they are running different synthesizers. I'll see if that makes a difference.
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George
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From: John Isige Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:42 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] remote 2.0 issue Are you running the same synth on both computers? I think it'll try to deal with it if you're not, but the ideal is to have both copies of NVDA set to use the same synth. On 12/13/2017 15:38, George McCoy wrote: I am trying to control another computer using the remote 2.0
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Re: remote 2.0 issue
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
Is he a braille use with a display? I am wondering if he has his speech set to no speech under the synth settings.
I am not a braille display user so am wondering if they turn it off instead of hearing speech?
maybe a braille display user can tell us.
Gene nz
On 12/14/2017 10:42 AM, John Isige wrote:
Are you running the same synth on both computers? I think it'll try to --
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Re: remote 2.0 issue
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
Are they both using the remote 2.0 add on or is one a earlier version?
When ever i use the remote add on I hear speech from the other machine.
Out of curiosity on your menu have you some how checked mute remote as this might do it?
Gene nz
On 12/14/2017 10:42 AM, John Isige wrote:
Are you running the same synth on both computers? I think it'll try to --
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Re: Avast and accessibility
Dejan Ristic
Let me say that Avast is more accessible when self-defence of the
programme is turned off, which is not recommended by Avast!
On 13/12/2017 19:15, Sarah k Alawami
wrote:
I just use MSE. It works grate and already comes wiht windows. I don't use anythign else and I've ben ok.
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Re: remote 2.0 issue
John Isige
Are you running the same synth on both computers? I think it'll try to
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deal with it if you're not, but the ideal is to have both copies of NVDA set to use the same synth.
On 12/13/2017 15:38, George McCoy wrote:
I am trying to control another computer using the remote 2.0
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remote 2.0 issue
George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
I am trying to control another computer using the remote 2.0
add-on. I have control of the other
computer but I get no speech on my end. It acts like it does when the
remote computer is muted but that is not the case.
My computer is running windows 7 home premium. My friend’s computer
is running windows 7 ultimate. Both machines are running NVDA
2017.1.
I get the same behavior when I try to control my friend’s computer with my
HP running windows 10 professional and NvDA 2017.3.
I’ve tried everything I can think of. Does anyone have any
suggestions?
Thanks very much,
George
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Re: Error when selecting Download voices from NVDA Vocalizer menu
Dave Grossoehme
Good Afternoon Brian: Have you known for this to be true with VIP or internet phones?
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Insider Dave
On 12/11/2017 10:31 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What error are you getting? I have noticed recently than around the world many internet service providers are now blocking sites using automatic software that might look for key words just to be a bit of a nanny state so to speak or on the other hand, some are actually looking at pages and seeing part https and part http and not liking that so stopping access. I've found this on Virgin here, but its usually a glitch and fixed after some days.
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Re: Caption location
Gene
Is it more likely that you could use a portable
version of NVDA than the installed version? You can run it portable not
even on the machine, but on a thumb drive. Doing that may be against
policy, but I want to bring up all possibilities.
Gene
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Jaws runs in 40 minute (trial) mode, though when it runs out, you’ll need to restart to use it again. They do need to update your list as Window Eyes and Jaws merged like a year ago…
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
I went through the approved list of software and found JAWS and Window Eyes and Zoom Text. I know I won’t get JAWS because it is too expensive. You really, really have to justify that much money.
I did put in a request for NVDA on the chance that my copy of approved software is outdated. If it isn’t approved, it doesn’t matter if it is free.
We’ll see what comes of things.
Tonea
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Message-----
If the texts are to be packaged as PDF it becomes even more important to have a screenreader as tagging the reading order through a document is very very important. Brian
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Re: Caption location
Rayn Darren
MAGic is actually better than Zoom Text, has more speech as far as I can remember, but it has the same issue as Jaws, 40 minute mode.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Moore
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:05 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location
well, window-eyes is no longer available and Zoomtext is more of a magnification program although it does have some screen reading capability although it is somewhat limited.
However, these changes are recent and big orgs move slowly so this might still be the approved list!
Hope not.
Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123 On 12/13/2017 1:59 PM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:
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Re: Caption location
Rayn Darren
Jaws runs in 40 minute (trial) mode, though when it runs out, you’ll need to restart to use it again. They do need to update your list as Window Eyes and Jaws merged like a year ago…
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:00 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location
I went through the approved list of software and found JAWS and Window Eyes and Zoom Text. I know I won’t get JAWS because it is too expensive. You really, really have to justify that much money.
I did put in a request for NVDA on the chance that my copy of approved software is outdated. If it isn’t approved, it doesn’t matter if it is free.
We’ll see what comes of things.
Tonea
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If the texts are to be packaged as PDF it becomes even more important to have a screenreader as tagging the reading order through a document is very very important. Brian
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Re: Website Where NVDA does not read main article
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
I guess I'm getting old. The article body is way below the headers. I saw the reference to the 'next article' about IBM devices and then the large advertisement and I got lazy and didn't read any further. Sorry for the misinformation.
On 12/13/2017 2:26 PM, Gene wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: nvda unresponsiveness
I have. that's why I'm recomding them. The process is fully accessible and they get the building done in under 2 weeks. Or maybe a bit over two weeks. You select the programs and you can even have a logo on the case if you want. You can even if you want to have them shipp it in a wooden crate, I did not do this by the way. But the crate is thick and protects from bumps. I didn't want that, but the machine still is awesome, I even have a kenzington lock for my machine as well. I emailed them after I placed the order and asked them to turn the volume all the way up so I can complete the set up myself. That was awesome, they did it all for me and helped me with anything else I needed.. They would have probably installed nvda if I wanted them to as well, but I didn't as I had a ninite installer on a flash drive I use for such things.
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Take care and be blessed.
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Re: Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net
abdul muhamin
Wow, good work. Keepit up
regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:01 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net
Hi guys -- Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition ofWelcome to NVDA tutorials set?
abdul muhamin
Hi Josaph, your tutorials are best, I’m waiting for your tutorial, please record it soon!
regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
From: zahra
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 10:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition ofWelcome to NVDA tutorials set?
hello joseph. your tutorial and posts to the list are very great. i remember my first experience using nvda with farsi translated of your tutorial for nvda 2013 it was very great and helped me in many ways. i realy wish that have your english tutorial and appreciate your help. i sincerely pray for you every day and request divine infinite mercy and special blessings for you!
On 12/9/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: > Dear global NVDA community, > > > > After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some > tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 > edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there > are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training > module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my > tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide. > > > > For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at: > > http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials > > > > If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with > some conditions: > > > > * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest > snapshot features. > * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update). > * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, > I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access. > * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks > to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub. > * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode > demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge. > > > > Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say > I > should do it: > > > > * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos. > * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve > recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command > line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on > Controlled Folder Access. > * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some > command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others. > * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, > especially more universal app examples. > * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with > Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly > and > elements list improvements. > * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples. > * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, > including Windows 10 OCR and many others. > * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition. > * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including > Remote Support add-on. > * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots > and what not. > > > > Comments are appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Joseph > >
-- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Re: Parenthesis
Gene
That's beyond my knowledge but someone will
probably answer the question. It's no reflection on you that you didn't
think of it. Why should you? the only reason I know about it is that
I've gone to web pages that say things such as screen-reader users, follow this
link to do this or that and I've seen discussions of how this is done to make
them invisible for sighted users.
Gene
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From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis Bouncing my forehead against my palm, “Duh!”
I do that kind of thing all the time, why didn’t I think of doing it for the screen reader?
For example, I needed to make a table of contents for graphics within a PDF. I put the graphic on the line, the customary leader of five alternating periods and spaces and then where the page number would go was left blank. I then put an anchor on the graphic where it was used in the document. I went back to the leader periods and made them a hyperlink to the anchor. When I made the file a PDF, I turned off coloring and underlining the links. Thus, to a sighted person, the leader dots between the graphic and the page number don’t look like a hyperlink. And, the PDF inserted the page numbers for me. To the PDF, it thought it was inserting page numbers for the link. To the sighted person, they are page numbers to the graphic!
Sadly, for you , it would have read something like “Start hyperlink Start . . . . . page 3”. Which begs the question, does NVDA read pdf page references? --Sorry for the digression.
Anyway, I’ll look into your suggestion.
Tonea
----- Original Message ----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
One thing you could do is add an extra line at the end of the text, using black on black contrast. Screen-readers will read it but people won't see it. The line might list the wildcard characters and make whatever brief comments you have in mind. You might want to write out the signs such as with the word asterisk. But if it is preferable for sighted users to leave the line they would see as it is, this would avoid any degreedation of the site from a sighted user's point of view.
Gene
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Re: Parenthesis
Gene
I have no objection to altering web pages in ways
that screen-readers can read them and that don't degrade the page for sighted
users. But making changes that degrade the page for sighted users isn't in
the interest of blind people, I would argue. It doesn't help the image of
blind people if sighted people learn that a web page has been altered to make it
less attractive or usable to them. Blind people can and should get
tutorials or some sort of instruction on using computers including the
Internet. If they don't know about such instruction, then more efforts to
inform the general public should be made.
Where do you draw the line? A small
modification here and there that may make a site less intuitave for a sighted
user and from there, how do you deal with this argument or problem?
Screen-readers render web sites in the following
manner:
The links a sighted person sees running down the
left side of the page, the blind person seess as a block at the top. Below
that, is the main text a sighted person sees running ddown the right side of the
screen, the blind person sees as a block at the bottom of the screen.
Unfortunately, for various reasons, large numbers of blind people don't learn
how to navigate pages well on the Internet. Leaving aside the reasons for
this in this message, if someone argued that the links that run down the left
side of web pages should be removed, would you favor that? As I said,
where do you draw the line? Removing those links would mean that a blind
person could go to a page with an article and just start reading the article
without knowing how to move to it. At present, there are many ways a blind
person can efficiently find an article in the majority of cases. the
person can try moving by heading because the article often begins with a
heading. Screen-readers, in addition to move by heading commands, also
have a command that skips blocks of links and that command, if executed once or
twice, often puts the person at or close to the start of the article. If a
blind person doesn't know these sorts of things, the Internet will be very
cumbersome to use. But you can't change the Internet in ways like removing
the links that run down the left sides of web pages. Blind people need to
learn how to do these things.
I'm not advocating technical bias. I'm
advocating education. If you make small changes such as writing the word
asterisk instead of star, that may be innocuous. But I suspect that the
reason you originally used * is because sighted people immediately see the
symbol and, whether they are sure what an asterisk is or not, they know what a *
is or if they have any doubts, they can find it on their keyboards. If you
try to do too much accomodation that degrades web pages for them, it may cause
resentment among sighted people and that isn't good for blind people in the long
run. I firmly don't believe in degrading things for sighted users.
If accomodations can be made that don't cause degredation, that's fine, as in my
previous message, where I discussed using black on black contrast. There
are all sorts of accomodations that can be made that don't degrade the page for
sighted users.
Also, if it is not a degredation to write something
like asterisk that's fine, too. But I'm saying
that in accomodating blind users, it is important not to degrade the page for
sighted users. You may not have any such accomodations in mind, but I'm
presenting my position in case it helps you decide which accomodations are
reasonable and which not and when to ask about accomodations that wouldn't
degrade a page but would still benefit blind people.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis I disagree. My grandmother went deaf when she got into her seventies. I saw how it isolated her. She couldn’t get phone calls from her sons who lived out of state. People would get frustrated with her. Or, she would see how frustrated they were getting and then get frustrated herself because she was doing the best she could.
Proper communication is a fundamental human right essential to everyone’s well-being, in my opinion. But, I’m a loud mouth.
Changing sidewalks for wheel chair access made it easier for the blind, or so I am told. I know it made it easier for the elderly who had to use walkers. Someone who needs a walker because of a balance issue, not a strength issue, is more likely to fall at a curb. So the strength can fade away from unwillingness to walk and fear of being tripped up on curbs. Thus ramps have helped more than the wheel-chair bound.
As for my grandmother, I set her up with a phone that did email. The sons could send her email and she could hear from them, even if she never did figure out how to respond (this was the middle of the 1990s). That meant a lot to her.
These new access standards also address limited cognitive abilities, cultural differences, and alternate languages. As a former teacher, I am aware of cultural bias in testing. Cultural bias exists in web pages too, like when they assume that you know what wild cards are in a search engine and which one does which function. That’s technical bias.
People omit things to make them brief (unlike my letter here) or to make themselves elite (because you have to be in the know to understand). Requiring brevity by omitting things is not the same as including it and allowing people to skip what they want. A sighted person just skips over double wording as standard operating procedure. We see it so often. If you have to go back and decode something, that takes longer.
Tonea
----- Original Message ----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
But I don't believe in altering standard text for screen-readers on a site for the general public. Maybe, on a site intended only or almost exclusively for blind people. I haven't given that any thought. But when we read books, if a chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it causes problems, or we don't. This sort of thing goes far beyond the requirements of accessibility. Screen-reader users have a responsibility to know something about the program they are using. If all caps did cause me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced correctly. You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to drive can drive on it. You build a street for licensed drivers. You shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not know how to use their screen-readers.
Gene
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Re: Parenthesis
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Bouncing my forehead against my palm, “Duh!”
I do that kind of thing all the time, why didn’t I think of doing it for the screen reader?
For example, I needed to make a table of contents for graphics within a PDF. I put the graphic on the line, the customary leader of five alternating periods and spaces and then where the page number would go was left blank. I then put an anchor on the graphic where it was used in the document. I went back to the leader periods and made them a hyperlink to the anchor. When I made the file a PDF, I turned off coloring and underlining the links. Thus, to a sighted person, the leader dots between the graphic and the page number don’t look like a hyperlink. And, the PDF inserted the page numbers for me. To the PDF, it thought it was inserting page numbers for the link. To the sighted person, they are page numbers to the graphic!
Sadly, for you , it would have read something like “Start hyperlink Start . . . . . page 3”. Which begs the question, does NVDA read pdf page references? --Sorry for the digression.
Anyway, I’ll look into your suggestion.
Tonea
----- Original Message -----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
One thing you could do is add an extra line at the end of the text, using black on black contrast. Screen-readers will read it but people won't see it. The line might list the wildcard characters and make whatever brief comments you have in mind. You might want to write out the signs such as with the word asterisk. But if it is preferable for sighted users to leave the line they would see as it is, this would avoid any degreedation of the site from a sighted user's point of view.
Gene
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Re: Avast and accessibility
Angela Delicata
NO, actually, I was able to remove Avast with no removing tool: I used screen reader with the help of Braille display and cursors.
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All the Best Angela from Italy
Il 13/12/2017 19:36, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Did you not have to download a removal tool?
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