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Re: Parenthesis

Gene
 

Again, as I said in my previous message, you are not disagreeing with me.  I never said sites shouldn't be properly accessible in their controls being accessible.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

Hi, Brian,

 

For the most part, I can navigate most sites but there have been occasions where I've had to have sighted help in filling surveys so I do disagree with Gene to a point. Yes, we should learn our screen readers well but there are occasions where a site might have buttons but there's no tag to tell you what those buttons are.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 8:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

 

    I disagreee with Gene here what about when we only hear button or check box but there is no text to tell us what the button does or what we are check box is for and what we are checking or not checking.  Surveys and patitions are good for doing this as well as vidios or we hearclick here whear is here/  Also don't forget that not every one is an advanced screen reader user there are always new people who are just learning.  Full accessability means that everything is spoken.  A sighted user does not need as much discriptive text as we who are blind do.  Somthing that you don't need somone else just might need.  We all just don't all have the same needs so you can't judge and make a statment we don't need somthing like extra text.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 12/13/2017 1:39 PM, Gene wrote:

But I don't believe in altering standard text for screen-readers on a site for the general public.  Maybe, on a site intended only or almost     exclusively for blind people.  I haven't given that any thought.  But when we read books, if a chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it causes problems, or we don't.  This sort of thing goes far beyond the requirements of accessibility.  Screen-reader users have a responsibility to know something about the program they are using.  If all caps did cause me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced correctly.  You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to drive can drive on it.  You build a street for licensed drivers.  You shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not know how to use their screen-readers. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

 

I disagree see my other post. A lot depends on the synth though.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis


All caps are not read any differently than any other text.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified.

> On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>
> With my punctuation set to some, it pauses on either side of the
> parenthesis. A comma does the same thing, so I would have to guess which
> is a paren and which a comma. Not that big a deal for me. If I really want
> to know, I'll investigate on my own. I don't know about other punctuation
> levels as about all I use is some, so others would be able to answer that
> better.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:12 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis
>
> How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does
> speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly
> unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how
> my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tonea
>
>


 


Re: sound when a web page is loaded

Gene
 

Since you can't navigate in a web page until it is loaded and since web pages tart to read automatically after they load, you already know in two efficient ways whether a page loads.  I don't particularly care if a sound is made available or not but my point is that the more you pay atten to cues from the direct environment, the better a computer user you will be.  If people rely on such additional cues as sounds, without knowing such things as I've stated, it makes them less knowledgeable and they may have problems at times they wouldn't otherwise.  If people want to use sounds, that's fine but they should also know the underlying cues from the environment as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] sound when a web page is loaded

    Sound when a web page is loaded            I do think that it would be a good idea to have a sound when a page has been loaded.  Sighted people can see at a glance when a page is loaded so why should we have to check the long way.  If you have internet that constantly drops out and comes you want to know if your page is loading and when it's loaded.  The webie brouser has this feature.  It plays a ticking sound when a page is loading and you hear a ding when the page is loaded.  You can turn this off in the options menu.  I don't always use it butit's there if I want to use it.  Also you could have nvda read the progress of pages loading this could be an option in the preferences menu.

Brian Sackrider


On 12/13/2017 1:51 PM, Gene wrote:
You can't navigate a page until it fully loads.  Sounds may be nice but this is important for blind Internet users to understand, with or without sounds.  And if you move to the address bar and tab around that area, you will see an item that tells you that a page is loading if it still is.  I have nothing against a sound that tells you if a page is loading, but these are still things people should know.  I don't trust notifications to always be accurate.  People should be able to check what is going on aside from something like a sound if there is a way.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page

This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old version of Firefox.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page


Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that time.

Rusty



On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Hey Hermann,
> Thanks!
> the site is
> frettie.com
>
>
> There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
> Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check
> out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the
> song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.
>
> Thanks!
> Rusty
>
> On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote:
>> Hey Rusty,
>>
>> to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
>> I am using NVDA as well.
>> I will have a try on the site.
>>
>>
>> Greetings - Hermann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ■■■
>>
>>
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
>>> Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
>>> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
>>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
>>> to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
>>> in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
>>> read it with NVDA.
>>> If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
>>> can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
>>> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







Re: Parenthesis

Gene
 

I didn't say things shouldn't be properly accessible and that information shouldn't be read properly.  I said that, when text is on a web site, it shouldn't be modified from standard practices, in terms of how it is presented to sighted people, such as using all capitals where this is usually done.  This has nothing to do with whether information is presented to the screen-reader in a properly accessible form, such as text being read that explains buttons or check boxes.  They are separate issues.  However, since there are millions of web sites all over the world, blind people need to know how to find such information if it is not automatically read but is present.  At times, you need to manually look above or below a control to find and read the text associated with it.  You can't function on the Internet if you do more than just read articles without knowing such things.  Some people know about accessibility and design proper sites.  Most site designers don't.  If you do things online like fill out forms or work with surveys, you must know how to function on sites that aren't properly designed.  There are sites where such information isn't presented in a form a screen-reader can read, but much of the time, knowing such things can make a site useable when not knowing them might mean a blind person can't use it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

    I disagreee with Gene here what about when we only hear button or check box but there is no text to tell us what the button does or what we are check box is for and what we are checking or not checking.  Surveys and patitions are good for doing this as well as vidios or we hearclick here whear is here/  Also don't forget that not every one is an advanced screen reader user there are always new people who are just learning.  Full accessability means that everything is spoken.  A sighted user does not need as much discriptive text as we who are blind do.  Somthing that you don't need somone else just might need.  We all just don't all have the same needs so you can't judge and make a statment we don't need somthing like extra text.

Brian Sackrider


On 12/13/2017 1:39 PM, Gene wrote:
But I don't believe in altering standard text for screen-readers on a site for the general public.  Maybe, on a site intended only or almost     exclusively for blind people.  I haven't given that any thought.  But when we read books, if a chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it causes problems, or we don't.  This sort of thing goes far beyond the requirements of accessibility.  Screen-reader users have a responsibility to know something about the program they are using.  If all caps did cause me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced correctly.  You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to drive can drive on it.  You build a street for licensed drivers.  You shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not know how to use their screen-readers. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

I disagree see my other post. A lot depends on the synth though.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis


All caps are not read any differently than any other text.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified.

> On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>
> With my punctuation set to some, it pauses on either side of the
> parenthesis. A comma does the same thing, so I would have to guess which
> is a paren and which a comma. Not that big a deal for me. If I really want
> to know, I'll investigate on my own. I don't know about other punctuation
> levels as about all I use is some, so others would be able to answer that
> better.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:12 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis
>
> How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does
> speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly
> unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how
> my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tonea
>
>





Re: sound when a web page is loaded

Felix G.
 

Hello,
the problem with this feature is that, given the dynamic nature of the web, there is no good definition for "fully loaded." In the Appleverse I find that often times the ticking continues in spite of the fact that the page is, for all intents and purposes, loaded and ready to be used. So any solution to this problem would be, at present, a hack.
Kind regards,
Felix

Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> schrieb am Do., 14. Dez. 2017 um 06:04 Uhr:

If you're loading a page in firefox, NVDA will say "busy"after a page is done loading. I just wait for the page to finish loading.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sound when a web page is loaded

 

    Sound when a web page is loaded            I do think that it would be a good idea to have a sound when a page has been loaded.  Sighted people can see at a glance when a page is loaded so why should we have to check the long way.  If you have internet that constantly drops out and comes you want to know if your page is loading and when it's loaded.  The webie brouser has this feature.  It plays a ticking sound when a page is loading and you hear a ding when the page is loaded.  You can turn this off in the options menu.  I don't always use it butit's there if I want to use it.  Also you could have nvda read the progress of pages loading this could be an option in the preferences menu.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 12/13/2017 1:51 PM, Gene wrote:

You can't navigate a page until it fully loads.  Sounds may be nice but this is important for blind Internet users to understand, with or without sounds.  And if you move to the address bar and tab around that area, you will see an item that tells you that a page is loading if it still is.  I have nothing against a sound that tells you if a page is loading, but these are still things people should know.  I don't trust notifications to always be accurate.  People should be able to check what is going on aside from something like a sound if there is a way.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page

 

This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old version of Firefox.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page


Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that time.

Rusty



On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Hey Hermann,
> Thanks!
> the site is
> frettie.com
>
>
> There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
> Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check
> out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the
> song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.
>
> Thanks!
> Rusty
>
> On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote:
>> Hey Rusty,
>>
>> to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
>> I am using NVDA as well.
>> I will have a try on the site.
>>
>>
>> Greetings - Hermann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ■■■
>>
>>
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
>>> Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
>>> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
>>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
>>> to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
>>> in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
>>> read it with NVDA.
>>> If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
>>> can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
>>> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




 


Re: I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as

Gene
 

I have no objection to NVDA not interpreting abbreviations but how numbers are read should be able to be set, as numbers, as digits, or as pairs, as you illustrated.  I thought these choices were going to be added.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as

To be honest, the potential for incorrect context is one reason NVDA itself doesn't try to process the intended meaning of text, but leave it to the synthesizer if it wants.  Eg when should "dr" be Doctor, and when should it be "drive"?  Is "st" Saint, or Street?  And when should "1234" be "One, two, three, four" and when should it be "One thousand, two hundred and thirty-four"?

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Hmm we had the inverse of this in another synth not long ago I believe i4e things that were not Mexican were being read as  such.
I hate this sort of abbreviation extension, the  probability that it will malfunction somewhere is very good!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as


Using NVDA's Vocalizer, where or how would I make NVDA to read this Mxn$3800 as 3800 Mexican pesos? I ask this because when typing in for instance USD$230 it reads exactly right as I'd like for the Mexican currency to read. I tried putting into the pronounciation dictionary but it didn't work. any ideas?

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Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Gene,

I think they are counted separately.  From memory, I think Mick mentioned there were about 300 people on snapshot builds a little while ago.

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin.


Just a quick curiosity question about downloads of NVDa and or releases.


Is either the next or master snapshots counted in the number of downloads?

The reason i ask this is i have a stable version of nvda on the computer but test snapshots mostly master and i know from the master the stable will come when you do a release.

You noted numbers of downloads in the blog and wondered.


the reason I ask this if they are are they counted on a separate server or section?


The number of downloads for each stable release I know they are counted weather it be from the site or from the check for updatefeature.


but does that include master? or next or not?


Gene nz







On 12/14/2017 12:57 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Dear Gerardo,

Thank you very much for your support and amazing advocacy!  All the best for Christmas and the new year!

Quentin.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:

Indeed! Thanks for all you guys do at NVAccess! You're definitely changing lives thorughout Mexico and Latin America, in having a viable alternative than the regularly-used Jaws, especially because of Jaws being so expensive, thus with NVDA you're reopening doors for so many blind people who otherwise wouldn't have been able to use computers. Also over at Ciberaprendiendo (the Blindness tech podcast over at www.eiberoamerica.com) I'm doing my promoting of NVDA via podcasts episodes dedicated to it, hoping that even more resistant users of the Shark, might take the plunge and switch. And lastly, my promoting NVDA has brought me to create a Whatsapp Spanish group "NVDA Access para Todos" in which we're already about 40 or 50 participants throughout Latin America, in which we discuss NVDA experiences, answer questions etc. So it's all of us's job to in our countries and/or areas, continue spreading by example, all that NVDA has to offer in our path towards integration with the sighted computer users. Graet work! and may 2018 bring inspiration for you guys in implementing features, and for us in suggestions, and mainly to continue spreading the benefits of NVDA.


El 12/12/2017 a las 09:09 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I'd like to thank you and everyone at NV Access for everything you've done to make NVDA the great screen reader that it is today. I've really enjoyed reading the blogs for this year and look forward to reading them again in 2018.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 13th December 2017

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year!  Here it is:

 

 

Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.  It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in 2018!

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Robert,

I just checked that myself and you are right, it does say 1.49.1 dev. I'll find out for you what's going on there.

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin


Out of curiosity and to compare the version of the eSpeak ng I install new fresh stable nvda 2017.4 without any addons to my machine.

After viewing the log file here is the details I've got.

Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - speechDictHandler.dictFormatUpgrade._doSynthVoiceDictBackupAndMove (10:20:34.279):
Upgrading voice dictionaries for espeak
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:20:34.436):
Loaded synthDriver espeak

Not sure if this is the same you've mentioned that eSpeak ng is updated to 1.49.2?

Or, perhaps to correct me about my analysis. Thanks.


Robert Mendoza
On 12/14/2017 8:28 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Hi, Quentin

qNot sure if I missed out or something mixed up here but, I downloded the master snapshot into this link.
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/
If I look into the log file still the eSpeak ng version is
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
I am currently testing the said version below:
NVDA version master-14715,94bc05be
I appreciate if you could further shed some information for this matter, or perhaps to clarify this in your diligent respond in later message. Thanks

Robert Mendoza
On 12/14/2017 7:46 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,

The short answer is yes, Master since I think September has also used the newer build of eSpeak NG.  Looking at the what's new, it reads:

"Espeak-ng has been updated to 1.49.2, resolving some issues with producing release builds. (#7385#7583)"

Those two numbers at the end indicate the pull requests to make that update, which are dated September 11 and November 1.

In one of the comments, Reef also noted: "Locking the comments on this PR, since this is expected to be a long running PR. The goal is to regularly integrate the newest espeak-ng changes into the next branch. When espeak-ng reaches the next release, merge to master. This allows espeak-ng to be tested more regularly by users of next.

If you encounter a problem with espeak-ng or this PR, please raise a separate issue."


The number of comments we've had since releasing 2017.4 and the last couple of RC builds indicates that Reef was right and we do ideally need more people checking snapshot builds for these issues earlier.


If you are seeing different behaviour from eSpeak from 2017.4 to the Master builds, do let me know though.


Kind regards


Quentin.



On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin

Thanks for the update. But, one thing I noticed from the blogsite it was mentioned that eSpeak ng is update to 1.49.2. My question is that this also been for the master snapshot as well or this is specifically for the stable version 2017.4?

Robert Mendoza
On 12/13/2017 10:57 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year!  Here it is:


Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.  It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in 2018!

Quentin.

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Re: sound when a web page is loaded

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

If you're loading a page in firefox, NVDA will say "busy"after a page is done loading. I just wait for the page to finish loading.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sound when a web page is loaded

 

    Sound when a web page is loaded            I do think that it would be a good idea to have a sound when a page has been loaded.  Sighted people can see at a glance when a page is loaded so why should we have to check the long way.  If you have internet that constantly drops out and comes you want to know if your page is loading and when it's loaded.  The webie brouser has this feature.  It plays a ticking sound when a page is loading and you hear a ding when the page is loaded.  You can turn this off in the options menu.  I don't always use it butit's there if I want to use it.  Also you could have nvda read the progress of pages loading this could be an option in the preferences menu.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 12/13/2017 1:51 PM, Gene wrote:

You can't navigate a page until it fully loads.  Sounds may be nice but this is important for blind Internet users to understand, with or without sounds.  And if you move to the address bar and tab around that area, you will see an item that tells you that a page is loading if it still is.  I have nothing against a sound that tells you if a page is loading, but these are still things people should know.  I don't trust notifications to always be accurate.  People should be able to check what is going on aside from something like a sound if there is a way.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page

 

This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old version of Firefox.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page


Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that time.

Rusty



On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Hey Hermann,
> Thanks!
> the site is
> frettie.com
>
>
> There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
> Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check
> out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the
> song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.
>
> Thanks!
> Rusty
>
> On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote:
>> Hey Rusty,
>>
>> to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
>> I am using NVDA as well.
>> I will have a try on the site.
>>
>>
>> Greetings - Hermann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ■■■
>>
>>
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
>>> Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
>>> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
>>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
>>> to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
>>> in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
>>> read it with NVDA.
>>> If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
>>> can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
>>> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




 


Re: Parenthesis

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

For the most part, I can navigate most sites but there have been occasions where I've had to have sighted help in filling surveys so I do disagree with Gene to a point. Yes, we should learn our screen readers well but there are occasions where a site might have buttons but there's no tag to tell you what those buttons are.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 8:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

 

    I disagreee with Gene here what about when we only hear button or check box but there is no text to tell us what the button does or what we are check box is for and what we are checking or not checking.  Surveys and patitions are good for doing this as well as vidios or we hearclick here whear is here/  Also don't forget that not every one is an advanced screen reader user there are always new people who are just learning.  Full accessability means that everything is spoken.  A sighted user does not need as much discriptive text as we who are blind do.  Somthing that you don't need somone else just might need.  We all just don't all have the same needs so you can't judge and make a statment we don't need somthing like extra text.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 12/13/2017 1:39 PM, Gene wrote:

But I don't believe in altering standard text for screen-readers on a site for the general public.  Maybe, on a site intended only or almost     exclusively for blind people.  I haven't given that any thought.  But when we read books, if a chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it causes problems, or we don't.  This sort of thing goes far beyond the requirements of accessibility.  Screen-reader users have a responsibility to know something about the program they are using.  If all caps did cause me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced correctly.  You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to drive can drive on it.  You build a street for licensed drivers.  You shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not know how to use their screen-readers. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

 

I disagree see my other post. A lot depends on the synth though.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis


All caps are not read any differently than any other text.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified.

> On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>
> With my punctuation set to some, it pauses on either side of the
> parenthesis. A comma does the same thing, so I would have to guess which
> is a paren and which a comma. Not that big a deal for me. If I really want
> to know, I'll investigate on my own. I don't know about other punctuation
> levels as about all I use is some, so others would be able to answer that
> better.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:12 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis
>
> How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does
> speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly
> unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how
> my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tonea
>
>


 


sound when a web page is loaded

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

    Sound when a web page is loaded            I do think that it would be a good idea to have a sound when a page has been loaded.  Sighted people can see at a glance when a page is loaded so why should we have to check the long way.  If you have internet that constantly drops out and comes you want to know if your page is loading and when it's loaded.  The webie brouser has this feature.  It plays a ticking sound when a page is loading and you hear a ding when the page is loaded.  You can turn this off in the options menu.  I don't always use it butit's there if I want to use it.  Also you could have nvda read the progress of pages loading this could be an option in the preferences menu.

Brian Sackrider


On 12/13/2017 1:51 PM, Gene wrote:
You can't navigate a page until it fully loads.  Sounds may be nice but this is important for blind Internet users to understand, with or without sounds.  And if you move to the address bar and tab around that area, you will see an item that tells you that a page is loading if it still is.  I have nothing against a sound that tells you if a page is loading, but these are still things people should know.  I don't trust notifications to always be accurate.  People should be able to check what is going on aside from something like a sound if there is a way.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page

This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old version of Firefox.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page


Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that time.

Rusty



On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Hey Hermann,
> Thanks!
> the site is
> frettie.com
>
>
> There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
> Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check
> out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the
> song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.
>
> Thanks!
> Rusty
>
> On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote:
>> Hey Rusty,
>>
>> to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
>> I am using NVDA as well.
>> I will have a try on the site.
>>
>>
>> Greetings - Hermann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ■■■
>>
>>
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
>>> Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
>>> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
>>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
>>> to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
>>> in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
>>> read it with NVDA.
>>> If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
>>> can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
>>> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







Re: Parenthesis

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

    I disagreee with Gene here what about when we only hear button or check box but there is no text to tell us what the button does or what we are check box is for and what we are checking or not checking.  Surveys and patitions are good for doing this as well as vidios or we hearclick here whear is here/  Also don't forget that not every one is an advanced screen reader user there are always new people who are just learning.  Full accessability means that everything is spoken.  A sighted user does not need as much discriptive text as we who are blind do.  Somthing that you don't need somone else just might need.  We all just don't all have the same needs so you can't judge and make a statment we don't need somthing like extra text.

Brian Sackrider


On 12/13/2017 1:39 PM, Gene wrote:
But I don't believe in altering standard text for screen-readers on a site for the general public.  Maybe, on a site intended only or almost     exclusively for blind people.  I haven't given that any thought.  But when we read books, if a chapter title is in all capitals, we either learn how to deal with it if it causes problems, or we don't.  This sort of thing goes far beyond the requirements of accessibility.  Screen-reader users have a responsibility to know something about the program they are using.  If all caps did cause me a problem, I would look at the line and spell what isn't being pronounced correctly.  You don't build a street so that people who don't know how to drive can drive on it.  You build a street for licensed drivers.  You shouldn't alter text under normal conditions because some blind people may not know how to use their screen-readers. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis

I disagree see my other post. A lot depends on the synth though.
 Brian

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From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Parenthesis


All caps are not read any differently than any other text.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified.

> On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>
> With my punctuation set to some, it pauses on either side of the
> parenthesis. A comma does the same thing, so I would have to guess which
> is a paren and which a comma. Not that big a deal for me. If I really want
> to know, I'll investigate on my own. I don't know about other punctuation
> levels as about all I use is some, so others would be able to answer that
> better.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:12 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Parenthesis
>
> How does the software treat parenthesis (such as this) when it does
> speech? How does it convey to the listener that the comment (possibly
> unimportant) is an aside comment? I need to know so I can understand how
> my audience will hear it, both literally and figuratively.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tonea
>
>





Community advisory/Skype 8 for Desktop (aka Skype Preview): web navigation concepts required, existing nor new Skype app module won't work

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

A few weeks ago someone asked me if I could take a look at the latest incarnation of Skype for Desktop, nowadays known as Skype Preview (version 8.12). Preliminary results and the advisory is as follows:

 

Skype for Desktop has gone through a total redesign, borrowing UI (user interface) elements from universal app version of Skype (Windows 10). Instead of tabs and such, it is now a web interface. The following are notable features:

 

  • Contacts list is a combo box.
  • Call, My Info and other elements are buttons.
  • In order to type messages, you need to switch to focus mode from chat edit box.

 

Thus, you need to be familiar with web navigation concepts and commands to use Skype 8 for Desktop. Also, due to UI redesign, existing Skype app module that ships with NVDA, nor the app module for Skype universal app that ships with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on won’t work.

 

Technical: developer info for Skype objects will return values for both IAccessible and IAccessible2, usually seen with Firefox controls. Basically, it is a web interface packaged as an app. Note that installation of Skype 8 for desktop will fail on Windows 10 because of preference for Skype universal app.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Quentin


Out of curiosity and to compare the version of the eSpeak ng I install new fresh stable nvda 2017.4 without any addons to my machine.

After viewing the log file here is the details I've got.

Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - speechDictHandler.dictFormatUpgrade._doSynthVoiceDictBackupAndMove (10:20:34.279):
Upgrading voice dictionaries for espeak
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:20:34.436):
Loaded synthDriver espeak

Not sure if this is the same you've mentioned that eSpeak ng is updated to 1.49.2?

Or, perhaps to correct me about my analysis. Thanks.


Robert Mendoza
On 12/14/2017 8:28 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Hi, Quentin

qNot sure if I missed out or something mixed up here but, I downloded the master snapshot into this link.
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/
If I look into the log file still the eSpeak ng version is
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
I am currently testing the said version below:
NVDA version master-14715,94bc05be
I appreciate if you could further shed some information for this matter, or perhaps to clarify this in your diligent respond in later message. Thanks

Robert Mendoza
On 12/14/2017 7:46 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,

The short answer is yes, Master since I think September has also used the newer build of eSpeak NG.  Looking at the what's new, it reads:

"Espeak-ng has been updated to 1.49.2, resolving some issues with producing release builds. (#7385#7583)"

Those two numbers at the end indicate the pull requests to make that update, which are dated September 11 and November 1.

In one of the comments, Reef also noted: "Locking the comments on this PR, since this is expected to be a long running PR. The goal is to regularly integrate the newest espeak-ng changes into the next branch. When espeak-ng reaches the next release, merge to master. This allows espeak-ng to be tested more regularly by users of next.

If you encounter a problem with espeak-ng or this PR, please raise a separate issue."


The number of comments we've had since releasing 2017.4 and the last couple of RC builds indicates that Reef was right and we do ideally need more people checking snapshot builds for these issues earlier.


If you are seeing different behaviour from eSpeak from 2017.4 to the Master builds, do let me know though.


Kind regards


Quentin.



On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin

Thanks for the update. But, one thing I noticed from the blogsite it was mentioned that eSpeak ng is update to 1.49.2. My question is that this also been for the master snapshot as well or this is specifically for the stable version 2017.4?

Robert Mendoza
On 12/13/2017 10:57 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year!  Here it is:


Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.  It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in 2018!

Quentin.

--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Quentin.


Just a quick curiosity question about downloads of NVDa and or releases.


Is either the next or master snapshots counted in the number of downloads?

The reason i ask this is i have a stable version of nvda on the computer but test snapshots mostly master and i know from the master the stable will come when you do a release.

You noted numbers of downloads in the blog and wondered.


the reason I ask this if they are are they counted on a separate server or section?


The number of downloads for each stable release I know they are counted weather it be from the site or from the check for updatefeature.


but does that include master? or next or not?


Gene nz







On 12/14/2017 12:57 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Dear Gerardo,

Thank you very much for your support and amazing advocacy!  All the best for Christmas and the new year!

Quentin.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:

Indeed! Thanks for all you guys do at NVAccess! You're definitely changing lives thorughout Mexico and Latin America, in having a viable alternative than the regularly-used Jaws, especially because of Jaws being so expensive, thus with NVDA you're reopening doors for so many blind people who otherwise wouldn't have been able to use computers. Also over at Ciberaprendiendo (the Blindness tech podcast over at www.eiberoamerica.com) I'm doing my promoting of NVDA via podcasts episodes dedicated to it, hoping that even more resistant users of the Shark, might take the plunge and switch. And lastly, my promoting NVDA has brought me to create a Whatsapp Spanish group "NVDA Access para Todos" in which we're already about 40 or 50 participants throughout Latin America, in which we discuss NVDA experiences, answer questions etc. So it's all of us's job to in our countries and/or areas, continue spreading by example, all that NVDA has to offer in our path towards integration with the sighted computer users. Graet work! and may 2018 bring inspiration for you guys in implementing features, and for us in suggestions, and mainly to continue spreading the benefits of NVDA.


El 12/12/2017 a las 09:09 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I'd like to thank you and everyone at NV Access for everything you've done to make NVDA the great screen reader that it is today. I've really enjoyed reading the blogs for this year and look forward to reading them again in 2018.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 13th December 2017

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year!  Here it is:

 

 

Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.  It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in 2018!

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Quentin

Not sure if I missed out or something mixed up here but, I downloded the master snapshot into this link.
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/
If I look into the log file still the eSpeak ng version is
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
I am currently testing the said version below:
NVDA version master-14715,94bc05be
I appreciate if you could further shed some information for this matter, or perhaps to clarify this in your diligent respond in later message. Thanks

Robert Mendoza
On 12/14/2017 7:46 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Robert,

The short answer is yes, Master since I think September has also used the newer build of eSpeak NG.  Looking at the what's new, it reads:

"Espeak-ng has been updated to 1.49.2, resolving some issues with producing release builds. (#7385#7583)"

Those two numbers at the end indicate the pull requests to make that update, which are dated September 11 and November 1.

In one of the comments, Reef also noted: "Locking the comments on this PR, since this is expected to be a long running PR. The goal is to regularly integrate the newest espeak-ng changes into the next branch. When espeak-ng reaches the next release, merge to master. This allows espeak-ng to be tested more regularly by users of next.

If you encounter a problem with espeak-ng or this PR, please raise a separate issue."


The number of comments we've had since releasing 2017.4 and the last couple of RC builds indicates that Reef was right and we do ideally need more people checking snapshot builds for these issues earlier.


If you are seeing different behaviour from eSpeak from 2017.4 to the Master builds, do let me know though.


Kind regards


Quentin.



On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin

Thanks for the update. But, one thing I noticed from the blogsite it was mentioned that eSpeak ng is update to 1.49.2. My question is that this also been for the master snapshot as well or this is specifically for the stable version 2017.4?

Robert Mendoza
On 12/13/2017 10:57 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year!  Here it is:


Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.  It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in 2018!

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: remote 2.0 issue

Rui Fontes
 

No, that do not make any difference...


Rui



Às 22:04 de 13/12/2017, George McCoy escreveu:

   Thanks for the help, John.  No, they are running different synthesizers. I'll see if that makes a difference.

George

-----Original Message----- From: John Isige
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] remote 2.0 issue

Are you running the same synth on both computers? I think it'll try to
deal with it if you're not, but the ideal is to have both copies of NVDA
set to use the same synth.


On 12/13/2017 15:38, George McCoy wrote:
I am trying to control another computer using the remote 2.0
add-on.        I have control of the other computer but I get no
speech on my end.  It acts like it does when the remote computer is
muted but that is not the case.
My computer is running windows 7 home premium.  My friend’s computer
is running windows 7 ultimate.  Both machines are running NVDA 2017.1.
I get the same behavior when I try to control my friend’s computer
with my HP running windows 10 professional and NvDA 2017.3.
I’ve tried everything I can think of.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks very much,
George











Re: I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as

Quentin Christensen
 

To be honest, the potential for incorrect context is one reason NVDA itself doesn't try to process the intended meaning of text, but leave it to the synthesizer if it wants.  Eg when should "dr" be Doctor, and when should it be "drive"?  Is "st" Saint, or Street?  And when should "1234" be "One, two, three, four" and when should it be "One thousand, two hundred and thirty-four"?

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Hmm we had the inverse of this in another synth not long ago I believe i4e things that were not Mexican were being read as  such.
I hate this sort of abbreviation extension, the  probability that it will malfunction somewhere is very good!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as


Using NVDA's Vocalizer, where or how would I make NVDA to read this Mxn$3800 as 3800 Mexican pesos? I ask this because when typing in for instance USD$230 it reads exactly right as I'd like for the Mexican currency to read. I tried putting into the pronounciation dictionary but it didn't work. any ideas?

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Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

Quentin Christensen
 

Dear Gerardo,

Thank you very much for your support and amazing advocacy!  All the best for Christmas and the new year!

Quentin.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:

Indeed! Thanks for all you guys do at NVAccess! You're definitely changing lives thorughout Mexico and Latin America, in having a viable alternative than the regularly-used Jaws, especially because of Jaws being so expensive, thus with NVDA you're reopening doors for so many blind people who otherwise wouldn't have been able to use computers. Also over at Ciberaprendiendo (the Blindness tech podcast over at www.eiberoamerica.com) I'm doing my promoting of NVDA via podcasts episodes dedicated to it, hoping that even more resistant users of the Shark, might take the plunge and switch. And lastly, my promoting NVDA has brought me to create a Whatsapp Spanish group "NVDA Access para Todos" in which we're already about 40 or 50 participants throughout Latin America, in which we discuss NVDA experiences, answer questions etc. So it's all of us's job to in our countries and/or areas, continue spreading by example, all that NVDA has to offer in our path towards integration with the sighted computer users. Graet work! and may 2018 bring inspiration for you guys in implementing features, and for us in suggestions, and mainly to continue spreading the benefits of NVDA.


El 12/12/2017 a las 09:09 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I'd like to thank you and everyone at NV Access for everything you've done to make NVDA the great screen reader that it is today. I've really enjoyed reading the blogs for this year and look forward to reading them again in 2018.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 13th December 2017

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year!  Here it is:

 

 

Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.  It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in 2018!

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Robert,

The short answer is yes, Master since I think September has also used the newer build of eSpeak NG.  Looking at the what's new, it reads:

"Espeak-ng has been updated to 1.49.2, resolving some issues with producing release builds. (#7385#7583)"

Those two numbers at the end indicate the pull requests to make that update, which are dated September 11 and November 1.

In one of the comments, Reef also noted: "Locking the comments on this PR, since this is expected to be a long running PR. The goal is to regularly integrate the newest espeak-ng changes into the next branch. When espeak-ng reaches the next release, merge to master. This allows espeak-ng to be tested more regularly by users of next.

If you encounter a problem with espeak-ng or this PR, please raise a separate issue."


The number of comments we've had since releasing 2017.4 and the last couple of RC builds indicates that Reef was right and we do ideally need more people checking snapshot builds for these issues earlier.


If you are seeing different behaviour from eSpeak from 2017.4 to the Master builds, do let me know though.


Kind regards


Quentin.



On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin

Thanks for the update. But, one thing I noticed from the blogsite it was mentioned that eSpeak ng is update to 1.49.2. My question is that this also been for the master snapshot as well or this is specifically for the stable version 2017.4?

Robert Mendoza
On 12/13/2017 10:57 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year!  Here it is:


Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.  It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in 2018!

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: nvda volume

Quentin Christensen
 

As Robert mentioned, you can use what we call the "Synth settings ring".  To clarify the keystrokes for this, as they vary depending on your setup.

Firstly, your NVDA modifier key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK.  Also, if you have NVDA set to use Laptop keyboard layout, add SHIFT to these keystrokes:

Change between adjusting speech rate / volume / voice / pitch etc (the exact options vary between synths): Press NVDA+control+left or right arrow
Increase current setting: NVDA+control+up arrow
Decrease current setting: NVDA+control+down arrow

So, if you are using the default INSERT key as the NVDA modifier and desktop keyboard layout.  To change options is insert+control+right arrow or Insert+control+left arrow.

If you are using caps lock as your NVDA modifier key and using Laptop keyboard layout, then change options with caps lock+control+shift+right arrow

Note that you can set the NVDA modifier key to either insert or caps lock, independently of whether NVDA uses desktop or laptop keyboard layout.

See the User Guide for more information on the synth settings ring: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#SynthSettingsRing

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

To setup your synth setting for volume, pressing control plus caps lock plus right arrow keys. till you heard of Volume. And to increase press up arrow keys, or down arrow key to decrease the volume you desire.

Robert Mendoza
On 12/13/2017 3:00 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi,

 

What is the key combo to increase or decrease volume   without using the nvda menu?

Thanks,

Monte





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Training and Support Manager

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