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Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

Dan Beaver
 

Gene,


Are you sure the sounds you are hearing are not caused by RFI?(radio frequency interference)  If so I do not think it could be handled by NVDA.


If it is something else then perhaps it might work.


Dan Beaver 


On 12/14/2017 5:46 AM, Gene wrote:
People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't see much use in sounds in general.  That isn't the case.  I think many sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently available.
 
Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient.  They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working softly.  I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful.  For example, if I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when I'm using the program I normalize with.  I don't have to check to see when normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to tell me.  I just wait for the processor sound to stop.  The same when I'm copying long files.  I don't have to check periodically.  If I'm downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive sound.  I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that sound any longer.  The same for uploads.  I can tell when my computer shuts down because the processor sound stops.  I can tell, if I issue the reboot command when the shutdown has ended.  That tells me that the reboot should be starting because a certain sound is heard. 
 
I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can hear certain specific sounds during boot up.  Others may find other useful sounds.  Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired?  They would be played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones, whatever is being used.  the function could be toggled on and off. 
 
Gene


Re: nvda volume

Monte Single
 

Thanks for the helpful responses.

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: December-13-17 5:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda volume

 

As Robert mentioned, you can use what we call the "Synth settings ring".  To clarify the keystrokes for this, as they vary depending on your setup.

 

Firstly, your NVDA modifier key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK.  Also, if you have NVDA set to use Laptop keyboard layout, add SHIFT to these keystrokes:

 

Change between adjusting speech rate / volume / voice / pitch etc (the exact options vary between synths): Press NVDA+control+left or right arrow

Increase current setting: NVDA+control+up arrow

Decrease current setting: NVDA+control+down arrow

 

So, if you are using the default INSERT key as the NVDA modifier and desktop keyboard layout.  To change options is insert+control+right arrow or Insert+control+left arrow.

 

If you are using caps lock as your NVDA modifier key and using Laptop keyboard layout, then change options with caps lock+control+shift+right arrow

 

Note that you can set the NVDA modifier key to either insert or caps lock, independently of whether NVDA uses desktop or laptop keyboard layout.

 

See the User Guide for more information on the synth settings ring: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#SynthSettingsRing

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

To setup your synth setting for volume, pressing control plus caps lock plus right arrow keys. till you heard of Volume. And to increase press up arrow keys, or down arrow key to decrease the volume you desire.

Robert Mendoza

On 12/13/2017 3:00 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi,

 

What is the key combo to increase or decrease volume   without using the nvda menu?

Thanks,

Monte

 



 

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Re: Community advisory/Skype 8 for Desktop (aka Skype Preview): web navigation concepts required, existing nor new Skype app module won't work

Rui Fontes
 

For me, Skype for Desktop 7.40. The Skype from the Windows shop is also usable, but is not so good...


Rui



Às 12:23 de 14/12/2017, Ann Byrne escreveu:

Which Skype is best to be using at this point, with Windows 1709?

Thanks







Re: Community advisory/Skype 8 for Desktop (aka Skype Preview): web navigation concepts required, existing nor new Skype app module won't work

Ann Byrne
 

Which Skype is best to be using at this point, with Windows 1709?

Thanks


Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

Damien Sykes <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Applications can get hardware level information, I.E. disk and ram access rates, CPU activity etc. Indeed, there is already a standalone program that plays sounds according to the level of access the computer is facing. It’s called Charm, and can be found at dragonapps.org.
I agree that this is something that could be useful to NVDA. Since there is an addon to monitor resource usage, I think it would be amazing to see the sound idea incorporated into that addon.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds
 
I expect interesting technical discussions will result from my suggestion as in the below message.  I hope my idea can be adopted and that it will be but I don't know if it is feasible or practical.
 
Gene
------ Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds
 
This reminds me of precisely what I used to do in the 1970s with an AM radio
next to a PDP-8 minicomputer.

Reminiscences aside, though, do you think it's possible for NVDA to get this
sort of hardware-level information (and without interfering with it by the
very action of trying to find out what the CPU was doing before NVDA started
finding out what it was doing)?

I also wonder how specific this sort of information is to your design of
motherboard and sound card - another design which has components placed
differently (or better smoothing capacitors on the sound card's power supply
lines) might not be able to detect these fluctuations at all.


Antony.

On Thursday 14 December 2017 at 11:46:06, Gene wrote:

> People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't
> see much use in sounds in general.  That isn't the case.  I think many
> sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very
> easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds
> that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently
> available.
>
> Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient.
> They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working
> softly.  I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to
> get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful.  For example, if
> I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when
> I'm using the program I normalize with.  I don't have to check to see when
> normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to
> tell me.  I just wait for the processor sound to stop.  The same when I'm
> copying long files.  I don't have to check periodically.  If I'm
> downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive
> sound.  I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that
> sound any longer.  The same for uploads.  I can tell when my computer
> shuts down because the processor sound stops.  I can tell, if I issue the
> reboot command when the shutdown has ended.  That tells me that the reboot
> should be starting because a certain sound is heard.
>
> I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can
> hear certain specific sounds during boot up.  Others may find other useful
> sounds.  Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the
> user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired?  They would be
> played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones,
> whatever is being used.  the function could be toggled on and off.
>
> Gene

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Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

Gene
 

I expect interesting technical discussions will result from my suggestion as in the below message.  I hope my idea can be adopted and that it will be but I don't know if it is feasible or practical.
 
Gene

------ Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

This reminds me of precisely what I used to do in the 1970s with an AM radio
next to a PDP-8 minicomputer.

Reminiscences aside, though, do you think it's possible for NVDA to get this
sort of hardware-level information (and without interfering with it by the
very action of trying to find out what the CPU was doing before NVDA started
finding out what it was doing)?

I also wonder how specific this sort of information is to your design of
motherboard and sound card - another design which has components placed
differently (or better smoothing capacitors on the sound card's power supply
lines) might not be able to detect these fluctuations at all.


Antony.

On Thursday 14 December 2017 at 11:46:06, Gene wrote:

> People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't
> see much use in sounds in general.  That isn't the case.  I think many
> sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very
> easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds
> that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently
> available.
>
> Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient.
> They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working
> softly.  I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to
> get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful.  For example, if
> I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when
> I'm using the program I normalize with.  I don't have to check to see when
> normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to
> tell me.  I just wait for the processor sound to stop.  The same when I'm
> copying long files.  I don't have to check periodically.  If I'm
> downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive
> sound.  I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that
> sound any longer.  The same for uploads.  I can tell when my computer
> shuts down because the processor sound stops.  I can tell, if I issue the
> reboot command when the shutdown has ended.  That tells me that the reboot
> should be starting because a certain sound is heard.
>
> I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can
> hear certain specific sounds during boot up.  Others may find other useful
> sounds.  Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the
> user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired?  They would be
> played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones,
> whatever is being used.  the function could be toggled on and off.
>
> Gene

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Notification sounds add-on for firefox - certain versions

Jacob Kruger
 

Found the following add-on for firefox that, while it says it's incompatible with firefox 57, did allow me to install it under the alternative browser that uses firefox underneath it's own interface, waterfox, and, I could then, via it's options, click on a link to bring up the windows 10 system sounds dialogue, and, after a bit of searching, from the lower end upwards, I found an event called complete navigation, which, when I then assigned a sound to it, since it hadn't had one assigned, does now trigger that sound's playback once a page has finished loading in waterfox.


Either way, while not most important thing in world on my side, thought would share it here on this list in any case:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/navigational-sounds/


Stay well

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Skype: BlindZA
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Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

Antony Stone
 

This reminds me of precisely what I used to do in the 1970s with an AM radio
next to a PDP-8 minicomputer.

Reminiscences aside, though, do you think it's possible for NVDA to get this
sort of hardware-level information (and without interfering with it by the
very action of trying to find out what the CPU was doing before NVDA started
finding out what it was doing)?

I also wonder how specific this sort of information is to your design of
motherboard and sound card - another design which has components placed
differently (or better smoothing capacitors on the sound card's power supply
lines) might not be able to detect these fluctuations at all.


Antony.

On Thursday 14 December 2017 at 11:46:06, Gene wrote:

People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't
see much use in sounds in general. That isn't the case. I think many
sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very
easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds
that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently
available.

Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient.
They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working
softly. I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to
get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful. For example, if
I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when
I'm using the program I normalize with. I don't have to check to see when
normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to
tell me. I just wait for the processor sound to stop. The same when I'm
copying long files. I don't have to check periodically. If I'm
downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive
sound. I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that
sound any longer. The same for uploads. I can tell when my computer
shuts down because the processor sound stops. I can tell, if I issue the
reboot command when the shutdown has ended. That tells me that the reboot
should be starting because a certain sound is heard.

I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can
hear certain specific sounds during boot up. Others may find other useful
sounds. Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the
user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired? They would be
played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones,
whatever is being used. the function could be toggled on and off.

Gene
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Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

Devin Prater
 

This seriously sounds like an amazing idea. 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified.

On Dec 14, 2017, at 4:46 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't see much use in sounds in general.  That isn't the case.  I think many sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently available.
 
Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient.  They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working softly.  I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful.  For example, if I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when I'm using the program I normalize with.  I don't have to check to see when normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to tell me.  I just wait for the processor sound to stop.  The same when I'm copying long files.  I don't have to check periodically.  If I'm downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive sound.  I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that sound any longer.  The same for uploads.  I can tell when my computer shuts down because the processor sound stops.  I can tell, if I issue the reboot command when the shutdown has ended.  That tells me that the reboot should be starting because a certain sound is heard. 
 
I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can hear certain specific sounds during boot up.  Others may find other useful sounds.  Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired?  They would be played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones, whatever is being used.  the function could be toggled on and off. 
 
Gene


An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

Gene
 

People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't see much use in sounds in general.  That isn't the case.  I think many sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently available.
 
Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient.  They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working softly.  I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful.  For example, if I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when I'm using the program I normalize with.  I don't have to check to see when normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to tell me.  I just wait for the processor sound to stop.  The same when I'm copying long files.  I don't have to check periodically.  If I'm downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive sound.  I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that sound any longer.  The same for uploads.  I can tell when my computer shuts down because the processor sound stops.  I can tell, if I issue the reboot command when the shutdown has ended.  That tells me that the reboot should be starting because a certain sound is heard. 
 
I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can hear certain specific sounds during boot up.  Others may find other useful sounds.  Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired?  They would be played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones, whatever is being used.  the function could be toggled on and off. 
 
Gene


Re: Firefox Accessibility (was Re: Avg was Re: [nvda] malware bites question)

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All of this has come about because of the mindset of programmers I fear. I'm beginning to see why Jamie went there, but its like having a water pistol in a nuclear war.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox Accessibility (was Re: Avg was Re: [nvda] malware bites question)


Well after the issue with the web controls, the fact they got rid of a lot of old things and no I'm not refuring to the navigational sounds addon, noscript can no longer have its menu and its all buttons those are not accessible.

Multiprocesser slows down the system causes it to crash on youtube and other sites.

Removal of xul support and adding of the poor implimentation of web extentions means I can't access options dialogs.

The fact they wrote that accessibility software like screenreaders could be used as malware while part of that is true the way I read the article is that they think all accessibility software is malware.

Just like when avg became bad norton and other things I no longer trust them.

I miss the extra extentions for associations but thats all.




On 14/12/2017 5:24 a.m., Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Shaun:

I think I read somewhere that the Mozilla people are working on an
accessibility fix for the next version that comes out, or the
following one. Whether you can take them at their word or not remains
to be seen, but I wouldn't count them out completely yet. Meanwhile,
Google Chrome seems to work well with both NVDA and JAWS. Granted,
there a few things that you have to get used to, but the learning
curve doesn't seem to steep.

Kevin Huber

On 12/13/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
To be honest thats why I like.

1. a pc with a data drive as well as a system drive.

2. backups.

I have had security programs muck me about.

But thats not a problem, all my data is double backed up on spining
drives, the important stuff is on solid state drives and the cloud.

If something screws up, just reformat and don't do it again.

A reformat always fixes it.

I know it will take me about 2 days to install and several days to
reconfigure things.

Sadly I do not have a 2 drive system, the next powerbox I get will have
one even though the weight will be more.

My dad and brother both have this system.

That technically means that if I have a place to store configs of
things, and my data, if it screws up, in theory I can cut the restore
time in half.

It may take you days to resolve the issue.

It may take a week or 2 to fully restore but at least you know where you
go.

I use msse, and malwarebytes if something stupid goes up at me.

I do have ublock and noscript 5x on my side, still sore about what
mozilla did to firefox and web extentions, it appears they don't care
about accessibility anymore.

Its not spread to thunderbird yet and I have waterfox, that at least runs.

And thats all I care about.

I know thats selfish but I have been there and done that.

Avg was good once.

But then norton was darn good bar a few niggles from 1995-2003, after
that it went downhill.

Which was just sad, I still respect old nav, ndd, norton speed, and
windoctor for their ease of use.

Its all gone baa humbug!


Now we must use crap software just to use our systems and not even then
is it always safe to use your programs even with that but at least you
can control it.

If you switch to something better there is no garantee that it will stay
that way.

Now I want to be protected.

Its just I really don't want to worry about program x suddenly being
marked as bad even though it was good for ages.

I don't need to reformat every couple weeks because things get deleted.

I don't want to search for things or check things were working and I
really don't care about babysitting.

In the early days I did that.

For whatever reason when I was 10 years yunger I enjoyed that.

Not so much now.

When msse first came out I realised how much time I was wasting.

I havn't found anything to compair, not that win defender is safe, false
alarms on a lot of blind games and programs not as much as other
software but still means I have to keep watch.

Even so I can still use my computer most of the time.




On 11/12/2017 11:09 p.m., Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I tried avg remover, but it is impossible to use with screen readers.

So, in the end, I suppose i have to wait till some sighted helps me.

thank you anyway and if you ave more suggestions they will be very
welcome.

ciao!



Il 11/12/2017 10:42, Ian Blackburn ha scritto:
If it’s like a vast then you need to use a clear program from the
website completely in accessible

The vast clear program makes the computer boot up into a special Mode
that you must use the mouse to operate that will clear your avast

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On 11 Dec 2017, at 5:40 pm, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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Is Avg a 64 bit install? if not then the old version of Revo will do
it or always used to.
I'd have thought that their site would give some kind of help on
removal but it may well involve the sighted. The problem is as they
now seem to belong to the same outfit as Avast they are probably
prohibiting screenreaders from hooking in to their code as well.


Brian

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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question


Hi,

Please excuse me if the question is not close related to nvda, but
as you are talking about antivirus program, I thought I would try to
ask,

I installed avg antivirus, but as it is not so accessible, I would
like to remove it completely. it is impossible to do so because it
seems it has some problems removing itself.

does any one know how to do? If you can, please help me.

Even after installing Windows 10 avg is still here!
I really have no idea on how to handle it.
Thank you in advance.
Ciao.
Angela from Italy

Il 11/12/2017 02:05, Gary Metzler ha scritto:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker. I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on
what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it? I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net






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Re: Community advisory/Skype 8 for Desktop (aka Skype Preview): web navigation concepts required, existing nor new Skype app module won't work

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By the time anyone builds it they will bring out a new one that won't work. Par for the course. I call a spade a spade not a man powered earth moving system.
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From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Community advisory/Skype 8 for Desktop (aka Skype Preview): web navigation concepts required, existing nor new Skype app module won't work


Hi Joseph,

Thank you so much for useful information: it was me who asked and am happy to have more details on the matter: anyway, if there was the possibility to build an add-on to make it more usable; please do it... It is a suggestion made by someone totally ignorant in the field, so excuse me if I say stupid things.

actually, I find Skype a bit clumsy.


Thanks again.

Stay well

Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 14/12/2017 05:10, Joseph Lee ha scritto:
Dear NVDA community,


A few weeks ago someone asked me if I could take a look at the latest
incarnation of Skype for Desktop, nowadays known as Skype Preview (version
8.12). Preliminary results and the advisory is as follows:


Skype for Desktop has gone through a total redesign, borrowing UI (user
interface) elements from universal app version of Skype (Windows 10).
Instead of tabs and such, it is now a web interface. The following are
notable features:


* Contacts list is a combo box.
* Call, My Info and other elements are buttons.
* In order to type messages, you need to switch to focus mode from
chat edit box.


Thus, you need to be familiar with web navigation concepts and commands to
use Skype 8 for Desktop. Also, due to UI redesign, existing Skype app module
that ships with NVDA, nor the app module for Skype universal app that ships
with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on won't work.


Technical: developer info for Skype objects will return values for both
IAccessible and IAccessible2, usually seen with Firefox controls. Basically,
it is a web interface packaged as an app. Note that installation of Skype 8
for desktop will fail on Windows 10 because of preference for Skype
universal app.


Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

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It would be interesting to know if more are on master than next.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process 13th December 2017


Hi Gene,

I think they are counted separately. From memory, I think Mick mentioned
there were about 300 people on snapshot builds a little while ago.

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Gene New Zealand <
hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Quentin.


Just a quick curiosity question about downloads of NVDa and or releases.


Is either the next or master snapshots counted in the number of downloads?

The reason i ask this is i have a stable version of nvda on the computer
but test snapshots mostly master and i know from the master the stable will
come when you do a release.

You noted numbers of downloads in the blog and wondered.


the reason I ask this if they are are they counted on a separate server or
section?


The number of downloads for each stable release I know they are counted
weather it be from the site or from the check for updatefeature.


but does that include master? or next or not?


Gene nz







On 12/14/2017 12:57 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Dear Gerardo,

Thank you very much for your support and amazing advocacy! All the best
for Christmas and the new year!

Quentin.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@gmail.com>
wrote:

Indeed! Thanks for all you guys do at NVAccess! You're definitely
changing lives thorughout Mexico and Latin America, in having a viable
alternative than the regularly-used Jaws, especially because of Jaws being
so expensive, thus with NVDA you're reopening doors for so many blind
people who otherwise wouldn't have been able to use computers. Also over at
Ciberaprendiendo (the Blindness tech podcast over at
www.eiberoamerica.com) I'm doing my promoting of NVDA via podcasts
episodes dedicated to it, hoping that even more resistant users of the
Shark, might take the plunge and switch. And lastly, my promoting NVDA has
brought me to create a Whatsapp Spanish group "NVDA Access para Todos" in
which we're already about 40 or 50 participants throughout Latin America,
in which we discuss NVDA experiences, answer questions etc. So it's all of
us's job to in our countries and/or areas, continue spreading by example,
all that NVDA has to offer in our path towards integration with the sighted
computer users. Graet work! and may 2018 bring inspiration for you guys in
implementing features, and for us in suggestions, and mainly to continue
spreading the benefits of NVDA.

El 12/12/2017 a las 09:09 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Quentin,



I'd like to thank you and everyone at NV Access for everything you've
done to make NVDA the great screen reader that it is today. I've really
enjoyed reading the blogs for this year and look forward to reading them
again in 2018.



Rosemarie



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*Subject:* [nvda] In-Process 13th December 2017



Hi everyone,



Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year! Here
it is:



https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-13th-december-2017/



Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.
It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in
2018!



Quentin.



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Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

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I think there has been a number of issues with Espeak recently I tried to advocate to go back several versions but nobody seemed to be interested. This was why I invented the work around of using the Espeak in speech player for Espeak.
I just got so annoyed by its running of words together saying further instead of for the and lots of other things.

It irritated me, but may not others, yes there are some issues in the speech player version introduced to attempt to make Edward sound better, but when you switch to a normal espeak voice those slight errors, to me at least are very minor compared to the current dev version used in releases.
I might also add that it does also seem to cope better with other languages that crashed the system before as well.
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Hi Robert,

I just checked that myself and you are right, it does say 1.49.1 dev. I'll
find out for you what's going on there.

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi, Quentin


Out of curiosity and to compare the version of the eSpeak ng I install new
fresh stable nvda 2017.4 without any addons to my machine.

After viewing the log file here is the details I've got.

Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - speechDictHandler.dictFormatUpgrade._doSynthVoiceDictBackupAndMove
(10:20:34.279):
Upgrading voice dictionaries for espeak
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:20:34.436):
Loaded synthDriver espeak

Not sure if this is the same you've mentioned that eSpeak ng is updated to
1.49.2?

Or, perhaps to correct me about my analysis. Thanks.


Robert Mendoza

On 12/14/2017 8:28 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Hi, Quentin

qNot sure if I missed out or something mixed up here but, I downloded the
master snapshot into this link.
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/
If I look into the log file still the eSpeak ng version is
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
I am currently testing the said version below:
NVDA version master-14715,94bc05be
I appreciate if you could further shed some information for this matter,
or perhaps to clarify this in your diligent respond in later message.
Thanks

Robert Mendoza

On 12/14/2017 7:46 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Robert,

The short answer is yes, Master since I think September has also used the
newer build of eSpeak NG. Looking at the what's new, it reads:

"Espeak-ng has been updated to 1.49.2, resolving some issues with
producing release builds. (#7385
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7385>, #7583
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7583>)"

Those two numbers at the end indicate the pull requests to make that
update, which are dated September 11 and November 1.

In one of the comments, Reef also noted: "Locking the comments on this
PR, since this is expected to be a long running PR. The goal is to
regularly integrate the newest espeak-ng changes into the next branch.
When espeak-ng reaches the next release, merge to master. This allows
espeak-ng to be tested more regularly by users of next.

If you encounter a problem with espeak-ng or this PR, please raise a
separate issue."


The number of comments we've had since releasing 2017.4 and the last
couple of RC builds indicates that Reef was right and we do ideally need
more people checking snapshot builds for these issues earlier.


If you are seeing different behaviour from eSpeak from 2017.4 to the
Master builds, do let me know though.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi, Quentin

Thanks for the update. But, one thing I noticed from the blogsite it was
mentioned that eSpeak ng is update to 1.49.2. My question is that this also
been for the master snapshot as well or this is specifically for the stable
version 2017.4?

Robert Mendoza

On 12/13/2017 10:57 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year! Here
it is:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-13th-december-2017/

Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.
It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in
2018!

Quentin.

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Re: Caption location

Antony Stone
 

If the material you are creating is for general public use (rather than for
employees of big organisations), you should be able to justify that NVDA is
the most common screen reader in use by that user group.


Antony.

On Wednesday 13 December 2017 at 19:59:50, tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov wrote:

I went through the approved list of software and found JAWS and Window Eyes
and Zoom Text. I know I won't get JAWS because it is too expensive. You
really, really have to justify that much money.

I did put in a request for NVDA on the chance that my copy of approved
software is outdated. If it isn't approved, it doesn't matter if it is
free.

We'll see what comes of things.


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Re: I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as

Quentin Christensen
 

The number options were added to Next, but there was a problem with the code and the option had to be removed.  I found the ticket but no recent update on it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4273

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I have no objection to NVDA not interpreting abbreviations but how numbers are read should be able to be set, as numbers, as digits, or as pairs, as you illustrated.  I thought these choices were going to be added.
 
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To be honest, the potential for incorrect context is one reason NVDA itself doesn't try to process the intended meaning of text, but leave it to the synthesizer if it wants.  Eg when should "dr" be Doctor, and when should it be "drive"?  Is "st" Saint, or Street?  And when should "1234" be "One, two, three, four" and when should it be "One thousand, two hundred and thirty-four"?

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Hmm we had the inverse of this in another synth not long ago I believe i4e things that were not Mexican were being read as  such.
I hate this sort of abbreviation extension, the  probability that it will malfunction somewhere is very good!
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Subject: [nvda] I can't get NVDA's synthesizer to read Mexican currency as


Using NVDA's Vocalizer, where or how would I make NVDA to read this Mxn$3800 as 3800 Mexican pesos? I ask this because when typing in for instance USD$230 it reads exactly right as I'd like for the Mexican currency to read. I tried putting into the pronounciation dictionary but it didn't work. any ideas?

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Re: Website Where NVDA does not read main article

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No the advert seems to change on that page at least it did in IE, Firefox did not see most of it due to the blocker or the way firefox works, don't did not investigate further. I find a lot of pages seem to have link link link all of which if clicked do sod all, but in reality probably put up some picture we can't see.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Website Where NVDA does not read main article


Hi Group,


I guess I'm getting old. The article body is way below the headers. I
saw the reference to the 'next article' about IBM devices and then the
large advertisement and I got lazy and didn't read any further. Sorry
for the misinformation.




On 12/13/2017 2:26 PM, Gene wrote:
My suggestion evidently won't work in this case because this is the
actual page of the article. Did you read below the links? there is a
brief advertisement and I see the article below that. I don't know
what the links are supposed to do but let us know if you can see the
article if you let the page read.
Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] Website Where NVDA does not read main article

Hi Group,


I am using both Firefox and Edge browser. When I visit the following
website for a fix for the WIFI vulnerability, all I see under the
article title located half way down the page are 9 links that when
activated, go no where. I wonder just what is going on and how it can
be remedied.


https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/16/heres-what-you-can-do-to-protect-yourself-from-the-krack-wifi-vulnerability/


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Re: Avast and accessibility

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Ah I have no Braille here.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Avast and accessibility


NO, actually, I was able to remove Avast with no removing tool: I used screen reader with the help of Braille display and cursors.

All the Best
Angela from Italy

Il 13/12/2017 19:36, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Did you not have to download a removal tool?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Avast and accessibility


Yes, for me it is better because at least I was able to remove it myself with no sighted help, but it is not so accessible anyway: I would not suggest it to anyone.


Il 13/12/2017 14:42, Dan Beaver ha scritto:
Hi,


I know I have seen this discussed before but didn't need to follow the thread at
that time.


How accessible is Avast? Is it better than AVG or not?


Thanks.


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Re: Website Where NVDA does not read main article

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I'd put an ad blocker on this page the advert can seemingly upset screenreaders.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Website Where NVDA does not read main article


I just had a look with both NVDA and JAWS 2018. The text of the article is below the "share" links and an advertisement frame.

HTH

Dan


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Subject: [nvda] Website Where NVDA does not read main article

Hi Group,


I am using both Firefox and Edge browser. When I visit the following website for a fix for the WIFI vulnerability, all I see under the article title located half way down the page are 9 links that when activated, go no where. I wonder just what is going on and how it can be remedied.


https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/16/heres-what-you-can-do-to-protect-yourself-from-the-krack-wifi-vulnerability/


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Re: Caption location

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They are very blinkered if its not approved. Its open source so they can check that its not a virus. Besides, they should have enough security on their system to be able to use software which major organisations use without problems, heaven forbid there are gaping holes in Adobe and Java and they have been around since the stone age.



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Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location


I went through the approved list of software and found JAWS and Window Eyes and Zoom Text. I know I won't get JAWS because it is too expensive. You really, really have to justify that much money.



I did put in a request for NVDA on the chance that my copy of approved software is outdated. If it isn't approved, it doesn't matter if it is free.



We'll see what comes of things.



Tonea



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If the texts are to be packaged as PDF it becomes even more important to have a screenreader as tagging the reading order through a document is very very important.

Brian