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Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

Didier Colle
 

Hi all,


I am not sure what this functionality is exactly about.

When it is about switching off / dimming the monitor, I do not understand why it would not save on battery....

The backlight of a monitor in a laptop, tablet, smartphone, ... whatever is one of the main power sinks in such systems.


On a laptop, you can often (this may vary between laptops) use Fn+f7 for switching between different display modes (signal send only to laptop monitor, signal send to external monitor only or signal send to both) or Fn+F5 to dim the backlight and Fn+F6 to light it up.When I am on battery power for a long time, I dim the backlight with Fn+f5 to save battery.

Thus you don't need a NVDA add-on for that, although such add-on may be useful to read the status of the screen (to which monitor is the signal send, on what level is the backlight). I have no clue whether windows has access to such info, let alone it provides an api to request that info (it might be the case that on some laptops this is a pure BIOS feature completely transparent to windows).


Once again, I am not sure what this functionality is supposed to be exactly, and thus I may be speaking about something completely different.


Kind regards,


Didier

On 17/12/2017 9:24, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
From what I know about Windows and indeed most screenreaders, this function is just for privacy, ie its not going to save any battery.
If that is what you want then I'd have thought it was possible to do it, kind of like a screensaver that never actually loses focus but then you need to be able to tell nvda that you want it to use the invisible window not the visible one.

In the  issues tracker there is a thread on this.
Also the ultimate way |of doing this on a desktop is called the monitor off switch..... ahem.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?


Hi,

VoiceOver has had screen curtain feature for a long while and JAWS recently
got screen shade.

Does NVDA have a similar feature via an add-on or natively?
Thanks!


Inaccessible web sites

Rick
 

Hello NVDA community members:

 

Next month, I will be working with human resources in the company that I work for, promoting web accessibility for our internal web-based tools. Initially, I will introduce them to the importance of alt text and keyboard navigation. These are areas they can experience poor behavior without using a screen reader. Please send me links to any web sites that you are aware of that are not navigable  or hard to navigate using the keyboard (or exhibits keyboard lock behavior) and /or sites with no alt text.

 

Thanks in advance and happy holidays.

 

Rick


Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

Daniel Wolak
 

For what it's worth, I like this idea as far as privacy is conserned. If it isn't intigrated into nvda, then perhaps a member of the community can write an addon/standalone application? Just my thoughts.

Cheers,


Daniel



On 17/12/2017 08:10, Artin Dekker wrote:

I think an addon to dim the screen would be nice. Does anyone know if an external program exists to dim the screen?

Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl mailgroep
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 17-12-2017 om 01:02 schreef Joseph Lee:

Hi,

I didn’t say ideas. I’ll wait for comments before giving some opinions.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi, I remember that GitHub post, as long as I read about pithon language, it does not allow us to do anything with the display, anyways, I glad to hear that Joseph has some idea about screen shaid, because I also need an addon like this, now jaws has this feature, and I’m waiting to use this feature in NVDA, please someone creat it

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

Not yet, with a GitHub issue created to talk about this. I have some opinions about it, but won’t go there yet.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 3:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

 

VoiceOver has had screen curtain feature for a long while and JAWS recently got screen shade.

 

Does NVDA have a similar feature via an add-on or natively?

Thanks!

 

 




Re: Addon to solve Captcha?

 

unfortunately there is no addon for this purpose.

On 12/17/17, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@samobile.net> wrote:
Does such an addon to NVDA exists and if yes where to find and what
browsers does it support?

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Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Monitors normally have one as do most laptops. However to me if its not going to do much for the battery then really all you need is to make it black from anyone hanging around point of view.

People tell me that many folk are very lax, even getting up in a library leaving the sscreen on with their personal data on it.


Brian

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From: "Artin Dekker" <artindekker@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?


I think an addon to dim the screen would be nice. Does anyone know if an
external program exists to dim the screen?

Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl mailgroep
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Op 17-12-2017 om 01:02 schreef Joseph Lee:

Hi,

I didn’t say ideas. I’ll wait for comments before giving some opinions.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*abdul muhamin
*Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:00 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

Hi, I remember that GitHub post, as long as I read about pithon
language, it does not allow us to do anything with the display,
anyways, I glad to hear that Joseph has some idea about screen shaid,
because I also need an addon like this, now jaws has this feature, and
I’m waiting to use this feature in NVDA, please someone creat it

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net <http://www.blindHelp.net>

*From: *Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:35 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

Hi,

Not yet, with a GitHub issue created to talk about this. I have some
opinions about it, but won’t go there yet.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
*Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2017 3:31 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

Hi,

VoiceOver has had screen curtain feature for a long while and JAWS
recently got screen shade.

Does NVDA have a similar feature via an add-on or natively?

Thanks!


Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

From what I know about Windows and indeed most screenreaders, this function is just for privacy, ie its not going to save any battery.
If that is what you want then I'd have thought it was possible to do it, kind of like a screensaver that never actually loses focus but then you need to be able to tell nvda that you want it to use the invisible window not the visible one.

In the issues tracker there is a thread on this.
Also the ultimate way |of doing this on a desktop is called the monitor off switch..... ahem.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?


Hi,

VoiceOver has had screen curtain feature for a long while and JAWS recently
got screen shade.

Does NVDA have a similar feature via an add-on or natively?
Thanks!


Addon to solve Captcha?

George Zaynoun
 

Does such an addon to NVDA exists and if yes where to find and what browsers does it support?

--
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Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 +46 (500) 43 55 11


Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

 

I think an addon to dim the screen would be nice. Does anyone know if an external program exists to dim the screen?

Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl mailgroep
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 17-12-2017 om 01:02 schreef Joseph Lee:

Hi,

I didn’t say ideas. I’ll wait for comments before giving some opinions.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi, I remember that GitHub post, as long as I read about pithon language, it does not allow us to do anything with the display, anyways, I glad to hear that Joseph has some idea about screen shaid, because I also need an addon like this, now jaws has this feature, and I’m waiting to use this feature in NVDA, please someone creat it

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

Not yet, with a GitHub issue created to talk about this. I have some opinions about it, but won’t go there yet.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 3:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

 

VoiceOver has had screen curtain feature for a long while and JAWS recently got screen shade.

 

Does NVDA have a similar feature via an add-on or natively?

Thanks!

 

 



Re: new avira interface

enes sarıbaş
 

this is very problamatic, as I cannot select, or perform any action on items in the web interface. Also, I cannot access the settings via nvda.

On 12/16/2017 3:17 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi all,

Has anyone figured out how to use the new avira interface?



Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

I didn’t say ideas. I’ll wait for comments before giving some opinions.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi, I remember that GitHub post, as long as I read about pithon language, it does not allow us to do anything with the display, anyways, I glad to hear that Joseph has some idea about screen shaid, because I also need an addon like this, now jaws has this feature, and I’m waiting to use this feature in NVDA, please someone creat it

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

Not yet, with a GitHub issue created to talk about this. I have some opinions about it, but won’t go there yet.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 3:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

 

VoiceOver has had screen curtain feature for a long while and JAWS recently got screen shade.

 

Does NVDA have a similar feature via an add-on or natively?

Thanks!

 

 


Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

abdul muhamin
 

Hi, I remember that GitHub post, as long as I read about pithon language, it does not allow us to do anything with the display, anyways, I glad to hear that Joseph has some idea about screen shaid, because I also need an addon like this, now jaws has this feature, and I’m waiting to use this feature in NVDA, please someone creat it

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

Not yet, with a GitHub issue created to talk about this. I have some opinions about it, but won’t go there yet.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 3:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

 

VoiceOver has had screen curtain feature for a long while and JAWS recently got screen shade.

 

Does NVDA have a similar feature via an add-on or natively?

Thanks!

 

 


Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

Not yet, with a GitHub issue created to talk about this. I have some opinions about it, but won’t go there yet.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 3:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi,

 

VoiceOver has had screen curtain feature for a long while and JAWS recently got screen shade.

 

Does NVDA have a similar feature via an add-on or natively?

Thanks!

 


Screen Shade/curtain?

Kevin Chao
 

Hi,

VoiceOver has had screen curtain feature for a long while and JAWS recently got screen shade.

Does NVDA have a similar feature via an add-on or natively?
Thanks!


Recommendations of Win10 + NVDA Apps and Settings?

Kevin Chao
 

It's been  a while since i've used Win10 and  NVDA, so I wanted to tap the wisdom of this group.

In addition to setting the default browser, Cortona hotword/keyboard shortcuts, setting folder views to detailed view, adjusting for performance, etc.

For the best and most accessible experience with Win10 and NVDA, what are the  must get apps and must configure settings?
Thanks!!


Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

Kevin Chao
 

This thread has been very relevant for me recently, as I was looking for a good business-grade Windows laptop. I tried the LeNovo ThinkPad via Amazon, but sent it back, and picked-up Dell XPS 9360 from Microsoft Store yesterday.

The 2 issues that I experienced are with the Realtek audio and media keys. Fortunately, it was possible to sort the former by turning off the sound effects/enhancements and have latter solved via BIOS set to use standard function keys.

I was unpleasantly surprised that these were issues on a vanilla Windows machine from Microsoft, but glad that it’s possible to set these normally.

This is my second XPS I had, first was in 2009, now again in 2017—very well built, great keyboard, light, fast. 


On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd@...> wrote:
I use one and have no problems,   I can't think of any tips it just works.   it is the pro4 I hear there on surface Pro5 now.

On 07/12/2017 01:45, Don H wrote:
Any positive or negative comments concerning NVDA on a Microsoft Surface Pro along with its available keyboard?









Language community maintainer tutorial

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

What are your toughts about a kind of blog which shows how to create and maintain a language community? All existing maintainers could bring their input and we would create a sustainable platform. The topic would be very social oriented, for example inspirations for conducting surveys, provide user support through maillists, groups etc. It would be very important to have as many maintainers as possible who would show how they do it.


Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: links on web site

Gene
 

The person with the prolem wrote me off list to say that my suggestion worked.  That procedure often works when a problem like this is encountered.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] links on web site

I've seen this as well, though obviously I'm not sure what version of FF you
are using or whatever.
 Its annoying as it is not apparently always the case, its as if there are
now characters which are being interpreted differently.
 I'm not sure its the web site, more likely to be an issue in the way the
site is being handled I'd suggest.
 Having said this, I've only encountered it twice and thought it was
something I had done, so never bothered to note the pages.
 Might be worth going back to the set up you had before  when it worked, ie
browser nvda versions etc and see if it stops happening. at least then you
can narrow it down a bit. Brian

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From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] links on web site


> Running Win 10 Fall creator and NVDA 2017-4.
> A change has been made to a web site that I go to often.  Before there was
> a link called closing today link.  NVDA read it exactly that way and I
> could just hit enter to open the link.  For some reason NVDA now reads the
> same link with a bullet in front of it.  If I hit enter on what NVDA reads
> as bullet Closing Today link I am taken to the desktop even though the web
> site still appears on the screen.  I have to alt tab to get focus back on
> the web page.
> Any idea as to what is going on would be appreciated.
> Thanks
>
>
>
>




Re: links on web site

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I've seen this as well, though obviously I'm not sure what version of FF you are using or whatever.
Its annoying as it is not apparently always the case, its as if there are now characters which are being interpreted differently.
I'm not sure its the web site, more likely to be an issue in the way the site is being handled I'd suggest.
Having said this, I've only encountered it twice and thought it was something I had done, so never bothered to note the pages.
Might be worth going back to the set up you had before when it worked, ie browser nvda versions etc and see if it stops happening. at least then you can narrow it down a bit. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] links on web site


Running Win 10 Fall creator and NVDA 2017-4.
A change has been made to a web site that I go to often. Before there was a link called closing today link. NVDA read it exactly that way and I could just hit enter to open the link. For some reason NVDA now reads the same link with a bullet in front of it. If I hit enter on what NVDA reads as bullet Closing Today link I am taken to the desktop even though the web site still appears on the screen. I have to alt tab to get focus back on the web page.
Any idea as to what is going on would be appreciated.
Thanks



Re: Quentin on leave

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

Have a very Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and blessed new year.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Quentin on leave

 

You do the same. Have a wonderful Christmas and a happy new year too.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: December-15-17 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Quentin on leave

 

Hi everyone,

 

Officially, I'm on leave now until the 15th of January.  While I'll still pop in now and then, I won't be as active for the next few weeks.  I know you will all be as helpful as ever in my absence, and also if there is anything particularly important or which needs my attention when I get back, do feel free to email or CC me so I see it.

 

I know Mick is also taking a similar amount of leave and I'm not sure how much Reef is taking.  In any case, things will likely be quiet all round officially from us.

 

Do have a wonderful, happy, holy and safe Christmas and New Year and I look forward to many stimulating conversations with you all in 2018!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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Golden Cursor add-on: December 15th snapshot posted

 

Hi all,

 

For members of NVDA users and add-ons lists: a copy of this message was sent to NVDA development list.

 

Golden Cursor add-on December 15th snapshot is now available for testing during this holiday season:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

 

To test the development version, select development version link. For users, you won’t see noticeable differences except for the dialog where you can see list of saved mouse positions – it now includes the app name in its title. Also, the add-on title is now just Golden Cursor.

 

Technical: I’m basically rewriting major portions of the add-on to make it:

 

  • More pythonic.
  • Python 3 ready.
  • Remove dead code.
  • Remove unused dependencies.
  • A bit faster by optimizing the source code.

 

Currently, I’ve done:

 

  • Add-on name is now just “Golden Cursor”.
  • The saved positions list dialog now includes app name as part of its title.
  • Resolved file path error where the add-on won’t save positions database if the folder for storing it is gone somehow.
  • When trying to open saved positions for an app, the dialog won’t be initialized partially due to absence of positions database. From now on, this dialog won’t open if mouse positions for the app are not present at all.
  • Replaced mouse movement direction integers with global constants to make it more readable. Also, instead of these constants being 1-based, they are 0-based. This allows their transformation into enumerated type later.
  • Mouse restriction and pixel announcement are proper Boolean flags.
  • Mouse movement function is now named “moveMouse” instead of “move_mouse” to make it compliant with NVDA coding guidelines.
  • When trying to move the mouse, during mouse coordinate versus screen size comparison, chained comparisons are used instead of range function. The range function in Python 2 returns a list, not an iterator like what Python 3 version or xrange function does. This speeds up mouse movement routine significantly.
  • No more use of winsound or time modules. In case of winsound.MessageBeep, wx.Bell can be used, and things from time module isn’t used by the add-on at all.

 

As always, further pull requests should be done via GitHub. Comments and reviews are appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph