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Re: competition
Mike and Jenna <schwaltze@...>
Hi,
Maybe nvaccess could come up with something like the windoweyes store that would run inside of nvda. If that was the case more people would know about the addons and be able to use the addons. The problem is right now you can download addons from any ware and install them which could still be the case with this implementation. Their could be a checkbox to allow apps or addons from unknown sources. By having the store it would make it easier for people and also allow people to use addons that have been approved by nvaccess even at work.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 7:17 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] competition
Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...
Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...
Regards,
Rui Fontes
Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:
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Re: screen shade
Bhavya shah
Hi Joseph,
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No, you are a fine debater, just that the relative weightage of proposition's points coupled with the popular support in favour of the screen dimming functionality tilted opinions one way. The motion and the spectators are two things that are usually balanced and neutral, setting up the stage for a competitive debate, but such was not the case in our situation. Having said all that, since we haven't been comprehensively shown one functional software-based screen shade that works across all our Windows systems without exception with the same amount of ease as the conceptualized and requested screen dimming functionality integrated into NVDA, that aspect remains unresolved. As far as my understanding goes, since priorities for a project revolve around what the user demand is, I find it very much possible that a flood of interest expressed in the ability to dim the screen could very well trigger a change in NVDA development priorities. Since I truly believe that the quality and popularity of a product can be ascertained only by how well it is able to continually satisfy the user, the consumer, the customer, the king, any highly requested feature ought to be given due attention. I think it is important to be brave in defending your beliefs, and that is what many of us have done today. Thanks.
On 12/18/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, --
Best Regards Bhavya Shah Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/ Contacting Me E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
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Re: Screen Shade/curtain?
enes sarıbaş
hi,
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This apparently does not work on some laptops. However, it works on my toshiba satallite l50A
On 12/18/2017 6:56 AM, Austin Pinto wrote:
why cant people use windows and p and then select projector or second
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Re: screen shade
enes sarıbaş
hi, They can just wrip it off. However, with shade, they cannot
diactivate the shade unles they are a high level computer user.
On 12/18/2017 3:52 PM, Josh Kennedy
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Re: Screen Shade/curtain?
Cristóbal
You can make a better argument to include a screen shade over audio ducking as one is essential for security and the other... well, it's a nice little feature. Esoteric arguments aside about over all internet security and remote hacking and keylogging, a screen shade especially for those who work in an environment with multiple people. The same way I don't like having my blinds or courtains open even in the back yard for anyone to just be able to look in, having this digital privacy peace of mind would be nice.
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You could even make the argument that such a feature is long overdue to put us screen readers on a more level footing for privacy with our sighted counterparts. I like most prefer to work with my screen off. Not for any particular reason other than that I simply want my privacy. I often joke with my sighted wife that it's because I don’t' want her seeing me talking to my girlfriends. She'll even remind me that I left my screen on for those times where I may have turned it on for reasons X, Y or Z and being blind, out of sight, out of mind I forgot to turn it back off. A quick and simple keyboard toggle would be a lot easier to keep track of whether the screen is on or off or if the brightness is too high or low, etc.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 8:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain? Hi all, Both sides of the house have put up several fresh and compelling points which have been better explicated and backed than our previously undirected discourse. In order to continue this stimulation of conversation until a greater level of consensus and union of opinions is achieved, I would like to take this opportunity to counter a few of the arguments we have witnessed various members of side opposition delivering. Just like my previous input, allow me to offer two more points of rebuttle in order to demonstrate why proposition’s case still completely stands and how opposition’s case is falling: Purpose of a screen reader – A major area of clash in this debate has been whether or not a feature such as screen dimming falls within the scope of a screen reader. To illustrate why side proposition firmly believes that it does, let us assess the history of mobile phones – originally designed to make phone calling and later text messaging more portable and ubiquitous, but today known for the quality of their cameras, ability to perform resource-intensive tasks, support for high-end gaming and what not. All modern phones conform to the basis standard of having calling and messaging options, but it is precisely the icings on the cake that distinguish one from the other. Let me show you how this analogy is absolutely applicable in the context of screen reading software too. While the strictest definition of a screen reader may simply be to read on-screen contents efficiently (as an opposition speaker has repeatedly asserted), popular screen readers, including NVDA, flaunt features such as audio ducking, mouse tracking, speech viewer, just to name a few, which, according to most interpretations, would probably not adhere to the restrictive and narrow definition provided by side opposition of the goals and contents of a screen reader. However, has that prevented any of these from being widely acclaimed, later borrowed, and frequently used elements of NVDA? In the modern world that we live in, a program or a product is not evaluated on its ability to merely perform its basic functions, but adjudicated on the basis of what else it can do to assist its target audience as a whole, i.e. the cheese may be taken for granted, for the toppings determine and contribute to the overall quality of a software product, particularly as we discuss screen dimming functionality for a screen reader. Screen dimming alternative options – Members of side proposition have, on numerous occasions and by a host of statements, been advised to seek screen dimming functionality elsewhere, to the point where it has been declared that there are other reliable and universally functional methods of darkening the display. From what I have gathered, the few specific suggestions made are all inadequate in some or the other way; Projector Only or Second Screen Only in the Projector Settings dialog does not work with certain processors and graphic cards, particularly on Windows 10 (due to which I had to downgrade back to Windows 8.1), turning down the brightness in Windows to 0 only grays out the screen so much, still leaving a significant amount of visibility for shouldersurfers, and a few third party tools mentioned require that the computer be actually put on Sleep mode. All in all, no functional option for screen dimming has been presented so far. Having said that, even if such a third party tool is discovered, all our other arguments about including this feature in NVDA core shall remain pertinent and we will continue to advocate for having such capabilities integrated into the NVDA screen reader. Thanks. On 12/18/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: The problem is one that can be levelled at other software as well. -- Best Regards Bhavya Shah Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/ Contacting Me E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
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Re: Happy Holidays to Everyone:
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
My last talking newspaper is this Thursday and apart from shipping a usb stick copier back for an upgrade then I can just slob out until 11th Jan.
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Yes hope everyone has a nice time and those on their own do not let yourself get too lonely. Plenty of people to email after all! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Lawrence Stoler" <lstoler99@optonline.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 3:37 PM Subject: [nvda] Happy Holidays to Everyone: Hi everyone,
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Re: Screen Shade/curtain?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Ant the use of the wrong word in this was purely accidental if rather amusing.
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From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain? The problem is one that can be levelled at other software as well. Take the
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Re: Screen Shade/curtain?
Bhavya shah
Hi all,
Both sides of the house have put up several fresh and compelling points which have been better explicated and backed than our previously undirected discourse. In order to continue this stimulation of conversation until a greater level of consensus and union of opinions is achieved, I would like to take this opportunity to counter a few of the arguments we have witnessed various members of side opposition delivering. Just like my previous input, allow me to offer two more points of rebuttle in order to demonstrate why proposition’s case still completely stands and how opposition’s case is falling: Purpose of a screen reader – A major area of clash in this debate has been whether or not a feature such as screen dimming falls within the scope of a screen reader. To illustrate why side proposition firmly believes that it does, let us assess the history of mobile phones – originally designed to make phone calling and later text messaging more portable and ubiquitous, but today known for the quality of their cameras, ability to perform resource-intensive tasks, support for high-end gaming and what not. All modern phones conform to the basis standard of having calling and messaging options, but it is precisely the icings on the cake that distinguish one from the other. Let me show you how this analogy is absolutely applicable in the context of screen reading software too. While the strictest definition of a screen reader may simply be to read on-screen contents efficiently (as an opposition speaker has repeatedly asserted), popular screen readers, including NVDA, flaunt features such as audio ducking, mouse tracking, speech viewer, just to name a few, which, according to most interpretations, would probably not adhere to the restrictive and narrow definition provided by side opposition of the goals and contents of a screen reader. However, has that prevented any of these from being widely acclaimed, later borrowed, and frequently used elements of NVDA? In the modern world that we live in, a program or a product is not evaluated on its ability to merely perform its basic functions, but adjudicated on the basis of what else it can do to assist its target audience as a whole, i.e. the cheese may be taken for granted, for the toppings determine and contribute to the overall quality of a software product, particularly as we discuss screen dimming functionality for a screen reader. Screen dimming alternative options – Members of side proposition have, on numerous occasions and by a host of statements, been advised to seek screen dimming functionality elsewhere, to the point where it has been declared that there are other reliable and universally functional methods of darkening the display. From what I have gathered, the few specific suggestions made are all inadequate in some or the other way; Projector Only or Second Screen Only in the Projector Settings dialog does not work with certain processors and graphic cards, particularly on Windows 10 (due to which I had to downgrade back to Windows 8.1), turning down the brightness in Windows to 0 only grays out the screen so much, still leaving a significant amount of visibility for shouldersurfers, and a few third party tools mentioned require that the computer be actually put on Sleep mode. All in all, no functional option for screen dimming has been presented so far. Having said that, even if such a third party tool is discovered, all our other arguments about including this feature in NVDA core shall remain pertinent and we will continue to advocate for having such capabilities integrated into the NVDA screen reader. Thanks. On 12/18/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: The problem is one that can be levelled at other software as well. Take the -- Best Regards Bhavya Shah Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/ Contacting Me E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
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Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before
Kevin Chao
Microsoft Store has promos and great service, where they'll go into BIOS and audio settings. They'll ensure it works well with screen reader. I've had this experience a few times in the past with the Microsoft Store in San Francisco and Palo Alto.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: I'm talking about small shops where you don't perhaps get the discounts but they can be very helpful if you get a problem.
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Re: screen shade
Ladies and gentlemen, Looks like I lost after all, and in the process, felt tired and burnt out. I think it might be best to let the add-ons community take care of this and see what happens from there, similar to screen orientation announcement that was originally part of an add-on and now is part of NVDA. Some concluding remarks from me (for now):
P.S. Looks like I am not a good debater after all… Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 5:52 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade
I only need a screen shade occasionally and for short periods. Often sighted people also need to use my screen. What is wrong in controlling that by a hotkey rather than having to stick and remove a sheet of paper. Besides, I may be somewhere with my laptop where I don't have a handy sheet of paper at the ready. It seems like you guys who don't have a need for this feature are just not understanding that some of us do and that an add-on to do it would by far be the simplest. What skin would it be off your nose if someone created a little add-on for us misguided souls who want it? Yes, there are often several ways of achieving something, but some are more convenient than others. You don't have any idea of my personal circumstances and in my circumstances this feature would be handy and, besides, having it wouldn't make life more difficult for you in the slightest.
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Happy Holidays to Everyone:
Lawrence Stoler
Hi everyone,
I'm writing to wish all of you who are part of this list and make NVDA a great screen reader a merry Christmas and a happy new year. Let's hope 2018 is a good year for all of us. Best wishes, Lawrence Stoler
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happy new year 2018
hello every one.
i wish happy new year, full of blessings, bounties, favors and mercy from God. i want to memorize entire holy Quran, so, pardon me because maybe i cant be active in the group for a long time. -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Re: Addon to solve Captcha?
anyone who tell me this addon how to use? or translate readme.md to English. thank you for much Logo Kuo from Taiwan Александр Епанешников 於 2017/12/18 下午
06:50 寫道:
https://github.com/kvark128/captchaSolver
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Re: screen shade
Christo de Klerk
I only need a screen shade occasionally
and for short periods. Often sighted people also need to use my
screen. What is wrong in controlling that by a hotkey rather than
having to stick and remove a sheet of paper. Besides, I may be
somewhere with my laptop where I don't have a handy sheet of paper
at the ready. It seems like you guys who don't have a need for
this feature are just not understanding that some of us do and
that an add-on to do it would by far be the simplest. What skin
would it be off your nose if someone created a little add-on for
us misguided souls who want it? Yes, there are often several ways
of achieving something, but some are more convenient than others.
You don't have any idea of my personal circumstances and in my
circumstances this feature would be handy and, besides, having it
wouldn't make life more difficult for you in the slightest.
On 2017/12/18 2:52 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
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Re: screen shade
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I was just thinking this. Better still some of that very static prone black out sheeting in vinyl would just stick to the screen when you folded it down aswell!
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From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:52 PM Subject: [nvda] screen shade Instead of screen shade. Get a black piece of paper and put it over your screen. And voila, nobody can see your screen at all. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: Screen Shade/curtain?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
The problem is one that can be levelled at other software as well. Take the
Edge Quantum and Windows 10S issues of trying to lock down systems to stop naughty people hacking them via screenreaders or any other means. In the real world unfortunately its the human who is the weak link. You simply need to draw a line in the sand and say equality of access for blind or anyone else is the guiding factor, not privacy or security. There is no such thing as total security, as anything that we can design can be reverse engineered to find its vulnerabilities and I think we are now close to that very point where, if we are not careful all our hard fought gains in the access world will be undone in the push toward the holy Braille of unhackable software and hardware. Dream on if you believe this is ever going to happen. Thus some realism needs to happen in the world and an attempt to stop paranoia which is sadly rife in places of work these days. It could be argued that the current trend toward small gains in security at our expense is in fact discrimination against us. I continue the thought about paranoia to us as well, in that many many sighted people leave their computers logged in in public spaces, its just our tendency to suppose that people look over our shoulders as we cannot know if they are doing so or not of course. it most certainly has happened at ATM machines before the current crop of ones that go dark when you plug in a set of phones. However while wearing your phones, somebody could just sneak up and grab your cash! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, Note to all this threads length is getting longer than the list allows text quoting wise, so trimmed some off.
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Re: screen shade
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Oh ye trusting fellow... :-)
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I think many people just like they talk loudly to phones in the street telling everyone of their private goings on often miss the obvious and yes they do use their laptops for sensitive stuff in public. Still, as I said in a different thread today, one can only go so far for security, the weak link is always us users. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: <ely.r@comcast.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade Good idea! I have to wonder what people are writing on their computers in what I assume is a public area that they do not want others to see. If someone has full vision, one would assume that they have their screen turned on so they can both read and write. If so, then it is likely that they will not be writing highly sensitive things that others might see as they walk by. Sorry if this seems insensitive, but. . . Rick From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:53 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] screen shade Instead of screen shade. Get a black piece of paper and put it over your screen. And voila, nobody can see your screen at all. Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
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season greetings
anthony borg
Wishing all list members a very merry Christmas and all the best for 2018. Best regards Anthony
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screen curtain
Josh Kennedy
Why do you need a screen curtain when the rest of the sighted world does not need or use a screen curtain? If you want a screen curtain just put a black piece of paper over your screen.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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seasons greetings
anthony borg
Hi all list members, Wishing you all a very merry Christmas and all the best for 2018. Best regards Anthony
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