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Re: Trying to install NVDA from a portable copy on new Windows 10 computer but can't focus on the NVDA menu

Chris
 

Is the menu open do you know?

The default nvda modifier is the insert key you can change it to the caps lock keybut that is not the default

 

So try the insert+N and see what happens then

 

 

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: 19 December 2017 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trying to install NVDA from a portable copy on new Windows 10 computer but can't focus on the NVDA menu

 

Right, so my mother was able to open the portable copy of NVDA, and I was in the window where the NVDA Portable folder was. Then I pressed caps-lock+n to open the NVDA menu and it said NVDA menu, but when I scrolled with the arrow keys it was only reading the items in the NVDA Portable folder, and so I couldn't select anything from the NVDA menu. I tried alt+tab but that just landed me in the same window. I tried pressing NVDA+n again, but that didn't work. I can't install from the portable copy if I can't access the NVDA menu.

 

On 19/12/2017 10:20 PM, Chris wrote:

Hello

 

I saw your other post, but wasn’t sure what you are trying to achieve?

 

Are you saying you want to run a portable copy of nvda or you cant run a portable copy?

 

Or are you wanting to install from a portable copy?

Or cant install it to your computer?

 

If you can be a bit ore specific that will help, thanks

 

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: 19 December 2017 10:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Trying to install NVDA from a portable copy on new Windows 10 computer but can't focus on the NVDA menu

 

Hi,

 

 

I got a Windows 10 laptop as an early Christmas present and earlier, I

tried to install NVDA on it from the portable copy I have, but when I

opened the NVDA Menu, focus didn't switch to it. I tried alt+tab in case

that would help, but I always landed on the window with the folder

containing the portable copy. I really wanna start working this computer

out and setting it up to my liking, but I can't do that if I can't even

focus on the window I want to focus on. I've asked on the blind tech

list but nobody's talking yet and I'm scared my post might end up being

ignored because I sent it just as everyone was going to bed.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: competition

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Actually Bob, the situation with jaws is that it makes almost complete use of it Scripts. Jaws has a well-earned reputation for ignoring standards, and forcing all programs into compliance. A few off-the-shelf products work out of the box if the developers have followed certain standards, but the program's you use everyday such as Office products are heavily scripted.

I used to make pretty good money going to customers houses, uninstalling their script files, and reinstalling them. I made almost as much money doing that as I did cleaning up viruses, and had almost as good a time doing it.

Best,

Erik

On December 18, 2017 7:38:51 PM "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com> wrote:

But Jaws still does make use of scripts a when necessary and I don't see
how anyone can afford keeping that thing updated. I'm sure it comes
down to what your software needs are. I use both Word and Outlook
Office 365, Itunes, and Winamp, to name a few, and NVDA meets my needs
very well.


On 12/18/2017 6:41 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:
Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are
optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the
installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger
download for everyone.


On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Hi,
Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of
the APP.
If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in
the main install?
I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know
it will be cheaper then 1800.00
Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.
I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.
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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Mike and Jenna
*Sent:* Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why
use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then
also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability
place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them
nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal
with addons.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add
ons nor how to install them. You are free to remove any add ons you
don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications,
a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't
think it does. I'm not talking about including add on after add on in
NVDA. I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you
aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the
large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and
install. Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel
just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Gerardo Corripio <mailto:gera1027@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to
install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as
always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA
and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part
of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific
function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other
screen-readers to compete. I don't have much opinion about
whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an
add on. It is a peripheral feature and not an actual
screen-reader feature. It is a proper question whether NVDA
development time and resources should be put into this
project. And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and
resources. However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do
what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it,
but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no
reason of any substance not to do it.

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having
a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were
really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons
and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the
time of installation. Many users of whatever screen-reader
they use will never learn enough to know anything about add
ons. there are a number of add ons that should be
incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are
running when NVDA is run.

If this were done, the major objection against making a
feature an add on would be done away with. the objection is
that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never
use whatever is being discussed. If this objection were done
away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as
running add ons at the time of download and installation or
portable use, the whole question and argument about whether
something should be an add on could be done away with.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>

*Sent:* Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018
and if NVDA
should also have the same function the main question is
whether or not
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to
get more
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't
afford to
pay for a screen reader.




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Re: an idea for possible new NVDA functionality

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Kendell,
The Commands Quick Reference only lists the more frequently used
common keyboard shortcuts of NVDA. A much more extensive and
comprehensive document to peruse is the Help submenu item just below
Commands Quick Reference, namely User Guide. This doubt of yours would
have been clarified even by a quick Find for the relevant keywords. I
am sure that a read of this guide will teach you quite a few new
things.
Yes, the unofficial ETI Eloquence driver is illegal and any discussion
revolving it is prohibited on this list.
The functionality you propose sounds like a reasonable feature
request, but is subject to technicalities I do not have knowledge
about.
Thanks.

On 12/19/17, coffeekingms@hotmail.com <coffeekingms@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi
Thanks a lot for the tip on the synth settings ring for the laptop keyboard
layout. I did look in the command quick reference before posting here but
didn’t find it. I assume discussion of the unoficial, free, ETI eloquence
add on isn’t allowed, so I’ll refrain from reporting bugs that only affect
it. I don’t have the money for the officially supported one which also
contains the vocalizer voices, $60 is a bit much on most months. Regarding
the keyboard layouts, I don’t know the keycodes for my Logitech k520, but if
I could find an application which could show them I could easily put them up
somewhere. I was asking for general functionality though. For example, an
additional checkbox in the general or keyboard settings labeled something
like, keyboard layout for “keyboard name here” combo box desktop. I don’t
know if it’s technically possible to query windows for a list of keyboards
connected to it. If it is, if it’s possible to separate out add on keyboards
from the one plugged into the laptop’s motherboard. And how would desktops
be handled? That is, desktops with two keyboards, or maybe one keyboard and
one braille display with braille keys? I just now thought of that last one.
There may be a reason NVDA can’t do what I’m asking.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] an idea for possible new NVDA functionality

Hi Kendell,
With reference to the odd behavior you are experiencing with the Voice
Settings dialog, this report has been seen in the past wherein the
unofficial ETI Eloquence driver is in use. If you are using any other
speech synthesizer (please specify which), this is a bug worth
investigating.
In regards to your second query, the laptop keyboard layout keystrokes
for accessing the Synth Settings Ring are NVDA+Ctrl+Shift+arrow keys,
i.e. just add the Shift key to the existing key combination.
Thanks.

On 12/19/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Joseph needs to comment on this.

Non technical version.

I don't see any reason there couldn't be another keyboard for a
spaciffic board especially if you know all the codes for all the keys
and what they all do reguardless of things.

It should be able to be made the file for this.

Technical.

However are there keyboard files, yoou would need a definition for the
board, it wouldn't matter what was connected to it.

That all assumes that you can actually do this yourself.

Are the keyboards part of nvda itself or are they definition files.

It may be a good idea maybe that keyboards are different files so people
can define their own keyboards and share them.

Most keyboards would be the same, however I do know cases where some
keyboards are different.




On 19/12/2017 8:53 p.m., coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi all
This may or may not have been discussed hear already, so hear goes. I
have
a vizio ct14 ultrabook. It has one of those keyboards which does not
contain a number pad and it’s not possible as far as I know to emulate
one
by pressing fn key shortcuts. I use the laptop keyboard layout with NVDA
and I like it. However, I also use a wireless keyboard when I’m away
from
the laptop. Would it be possible to have a separate keyboard layout for
this keyboard? This doesn’t seem to be possible yet, but is anyone
interested in either adding this functionality to NVDA or as an optional
add on? I’m not sure if this is even possible, and if it were you’d have
to detect the type of keyboard, EG USB, ps2, etc. This would allow you
to
have separate layouts for each keyboard you use. The reason I’m asking
is
because the synthesizer settings ring doesn’t seem to exist in the
laptop
keyboard layout. If it does, I haven’t been able to discover the
keyboard
shortcuts bound to it. Additionally, the voice settings dialog seems to
have a bug. Opening it and changing a synthesizer setting, EG rate, and
then pressing the OK button does not close the dialog. Pressing the
escape
key does close it but also reverts the setting changed. This is with
NVDA
2017.4. This occurs with windows one-core as well as the built in Espeak
synth. This isn’t a complaint, just an idea. Is anyone interested or
have
any feedback?
Thanks
Kendell Clark


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Re: screen shade

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Excuse me, but, when did I ever say I needed this before being productive? For the record, I hardly ever use screen shade. So with all due respect, don't put proverbial words in my mouth which I never said. I was trying to make a point that some people, even those only with light preception, might have sensitive eyes.
 
For example. I have some usable vision, yes, and definitely can see enough to tell my screen is lit up. NO, not enough to read what's on it, but definitely enough to tell when things are popping up on the screen. I have a rare eye condition called Aneridia though. Go Google it, if you're so inclined. Part of this disorder is that your puples are 100% diolated 24/7, so therefore, obviously, more light gets in than usual for a sighted person, and therefore light can really really hurt my eyes at times. So therefore, when I'm having a bad day, where is the case, and my eyes are hurting, I'll turn on the screen shade. It's not a matter of me thinking I need it since I'm blind, again, I never said that. It's neither that I necessarily need it per sé, but sometimes, the screen does hurt my eyes from its radiating light. So this is a way, I can blank out the screen to a solid black, or well, more like a really dark gray, but whatever, point is, it definitely knocks a lot of that brightness off the thing, therefore making it more easy on my eyes.
 
This isn't a privacy thing, and honestly I have no earthly inkling of an idea what gave you that impression, or that I thought because I was blind, I had to have it or I'd not be productive. I'm sorry, but until you live in someone's shoes like this, it probably might be slightly hard to relate to, but trust me, it really does help.
 
If I am misunderstanding the tone or meaning of your message, then I profusely apologize, but this is at least how it is coming off to me when reading it. I open your clarification if I'm misunderstanding.
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

if you can see what is the point?
that is real sad you think you need this feature, before you can be productive as a blind person?
 
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

I totally agree! It's not just a privacy thing. What about those people who the monitor hurts their eyes? Again, yeah, just turn the monitor off, I get it, but like I said earlier, a lot of these monitors you hit a keystroke and yeah, it turns it off, but only until your next keypress, which kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion, therefore, a screenshade would be in order.
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Lenron
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

Josh your argument is so invalid. Just because I want privacy does not
mean I must be up to something bad hell I just want to be able to have
my screen blank when I need it to be. I wouldn't dream of wanting to
get in the way of someone elses privacy unless I had a major reason.

On 12/18/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> People have a right to privacy no matter what they are doing.  If I'm
> sitting in a chair with headphones on, I have a right to privacy in my home.
>  If I'm on a bus, train, or plane, and I'm writing in my diary, or writing
> an e-mail, not intended for general viewing, I have a right to privacy.
> Privacy is not just something you have a right to or legitimately want when
> you are performing socially unacceptable actions.  If that were true, the
> very act of taking actions to safeguard your privacy could be regarded by
> the legal system as an admission of guilt or a serious indication of guilt
> about something.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Karim Lakhani
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade
>
>
> I'm concerned how many things you all do on your computers, that you don't
> want any buddy to look at.
> How many hours in a day do you write this kind of personal data which is
> something you want to hide?
> I think looking at porn is real high usage because they can see the screen,
> it stops no one from using these acts.
> With sound a porn sight with audio would require head phones don't you
> think?
> I love the audio ducking in NVDA, because you can accomplish so much while
> using the computer and then when it's just stream the sound is at the sound
> you want.
> Marry Christmas and a happy new year.
>
> I worked at a company where co - workers who are sighted and didn't work
> directly in my group, but because I kept my screen off, and wore head phones
> they didn't think I was working.
> But I didn't let the matter go, if my eyes are getting bothered from the
> light on the monitor it was a great move.In stead of waiting for someone to
> write code to prevent this matter.
>
> Hope not all of us have to continuously write letters which no one else
> should write.
> good night!
>
>
>
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>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh
> Kennedy
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:32 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] screen shade
>
>
> Ok about the screen shade. Why do blind people need a screen shade? And why
> do sighted people they don't need a screen shade? So why is it good for
> blind to have screen shade but not sighted? Oh and if I were a sighted
> person and you had a screen shade on, I would just pick up my smart phone
> and do some research and could figure out how to turn it off anyway. And
> what if the keyboard command for turning it on and off were spread on
> facebook and twitter? Now anybody can just come by your computer ;and turn
> the screen shade off. Or  someone could just hack the computer and use it
> screen shade or no shade, without even caring screen shade is on or off.
> Don't know why you want screen shade, but if it is for privacy? Forget it.
> If I had a blind son and I were a sighted parent and caught my blind son
> having a screen shade, I would suspect he's doing or reading stuff he should
> not. Guess what? I take the computer or phone away from him for a week or
> so. He gets punished for using screen shade.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Trying to install NVDA from a portable copy on new Windows 10 computer but can't focus on the NVDA menu

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Right, so my mother was able to open the portable copy of NVDA, and I was in the window where the NVDA Portable folder was. Then I pressed caps-lock+n to open the NVDA menu and it said NVDA menu, but when I scrolled with the arrow keys it was only reading the items in the NVDA Portable folder, and so I couldn't select anything from the NVDA menu. I tried alt+tab but that just landed me in the same window. I tried pressing NVDA+n again, but that didn't work. I can't install from the portable copy if I can't access the NVDA menu.


On 19/12/2017 10:20 PM, Chris wrote:

Hello

 

I saw your other post, but wasn’t sure what you are trying to achieve?

 

Are you saying you want to run a portable copy of nvda or you cant run a portable copy?

 

Or are you wanting to install from a portable copy?

Or cant install it to your computer?

 

If you can be a bit ore specific that will help, thanks

 

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: 19 December 2017 10:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Trying to install NVDA from a portable copy on new Windows 10 computer but can't focus on the NVDA menu

 

Hi,

 

 

I got a Windows 10 laptop as an early Christmas present and earlier, I

tried to install NVDA on it from the portable copy I have, but when I

opened the NVDA Menu, focus didn't switch to it. I tried alt+tab in case

that would help, but I always landed on the window with the folder

containing the portable copy. I really wanna start working this computer

out and setting it up to my liking, but I can't do that if I can't even

focus on the window I want to focus on. I've asked on the blind tech

list but nobody's talking yet and I'm scared my post might end up being

ignored because I sent it just as everyone was going to bed.

 

 

 

 



Re: Trying to install NVDA from a portable copy on new Windows 10 computer but can't focus on the NVDA menu

Chris
 

Hello

 

I saw your other post, but wasn’t sure what you are trying to achieve?

 

Are you saying you want to run a portable copy of nvda or you cant run a portable copy?

 

Or are you wanting to install from a portable copy?

Or cant install it to your computer?

 

If you can be a bit ore specific that will help, thanks

 

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: 19 December 2017 10:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Trying to install NVDA from a portable copy on new Windows 10 computer but can't focus on the NVDA menu

 

Hi,

 

 

I got a Windows 10 laptop as an early Christmas present and earlier, I

tried to install NVDA on it from the portable copy I have, but when I

opened the NVDA Menu, focus didn't switch to it. I tried alt+tab in case

that would help, but I always landed on the window with the folder

containing the portable copy. I really wanna start working this computer

out and setting it up to my liking, but I can't do that if I can't even

focus on the window I want to focus on. I've asked on the blind tech

list but nobody's talking yet and I'm scared my post might end up being

ignored because I sent it just as everyone was going to bed.

 

 

 

 


Trying to install NVDA from a portable copy on new Windows 10 computer but can't focus on the NVDA menu

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Hi,


I got a Windows 10 laptop as an early Christmas present and earlier, I
tried to install NVDA on it from the portable copy I have, but when I
opened the NVDA Menu, focus didn't switch to it. I tried alt+tab in case
that would help, but I always landed on the window with the folder
containing the portable copy. I really wanna start working this computer
out and setting it up to my liking, but I can't do that if I can't even
focus on the window I want to focus on. I've asked on the blind tech
list but nobody's talking yet and I'm scared my post might end up being
ignored because I sent it just as everyone was going to bed.


Re: screen curtain

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I sent this the other day. Some black coloured vinyl sheet adheres to the screen and can be left on or peeled off. Kind of hardware fix?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] screen curtain


Why do you need a screen curtain when the rest of the sighted world does not need or use a screen curtain? If you want a screen curtain just put a black piece of paper over your screen.


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Re: screen curtain

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Jaws was overpriced long before it had bells an whistles to be honest.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Karim Lakhani" <karim.lakhani@shaw.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen curtain


That would be a lot easier then trying to make things harder for people who
are busy trying to make NVDA useable for all.
Jaws has added a lot of bells and whistles to the screen reader and has out
priced themselves out of reach for people who can't afford it.
Thanks to the NVDA team.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen curtain



Why do you need a screen curtain when the rest of the sighted world does
not need or use a screen curtain? If you want a screen curtain just put a
black piece of paper over your screen.





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Re: an idea for possible new NVDA functionality

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

Hi

Thanks a lot for the tip on the synth settings ring for the laptop keyboard layout. I did look in the command quick reference before posting here but didn’t find it. I assume discussion of the unoficial, free, ETI eloquence add on isn’t allowed, so I’ll refrain from reporting bugs that only affect it. I don’t have the money for the officially supported one which also contains the vocalizer voices, $60 is a bit much on most months. Regarding the keyboard layouts, I don’t know the keycodes for my Logitech k520, but if I could find an application which could show them I could easily put them up somewhere. I was asking for general functionality though. For example, an additional checkbox in the general or keyboard settings labeled something like, keyboard layout for “keyboard name here” combo box desktop. I don’t know if it’s technically possible to query windows for a list of keyboards connected to it. If it is, if it’s possible to separate out add on keyboards from the one plugged into the laptop’s motherboard. And how would desktops be handled? That is, desktops with two keyboards, or maybe one keyboard and one braille display with braille keys? I just now thought of that last one. There may be a reason NVDA can’t do what I’m asking.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] an idea for possible new NVDA functionality

 

Hi Kendell,
With reference to the odd behavior you are experiencing with the Voice
Settings dialog, this report has been seen in the past wherein the
unofficial ETI Eloquence driver is in use. If you are using any other
speech synthesizer (please specify which), this is a bug worth
investigating.
In regards to your second query, the laptop keyboard layout keystrokes
for accessing the Synth Settings Ring are NVDA+Ctrl+Shift+arrow keys,
i.e. just add the Shift key to the existing key combination.
Thanks.

On 12/19/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> Joseph needs to comment on this.
>
> Non technical version.
>
> I don't see any reason there couldn't be another keyboard for a
> spaciffic board especially if you know all the codes for all the keys
> and what they all do reguardless of things.
>
> It should be able to be made the file for this.
>
> Technical.
>
> However are there keyboard files, yoou would need a definition for the
> board, it wouldn't matter what was connected to it.
>
> That all assumes that you can actually do this yourself.
>
> Are the keyboards part of nvda itself or are they definition files.
>
> It may be a good idea maybe that keyboards are different files so people
> can define their own keyboards and share them.
>
> Most keyboards would be the same, however I do know cases where some
> keyboards are different.
>
>
>
>
> On 19/12/2017 8:53 p.m., coffeekingms@... wrote:
>> Hi all
>> This may or may not have been discussed hear already, so hear goes. I have
>> a vizio ct14 ultrabook. It has one of those keyboards which does not
>> contain a number pad and it’s not possible as far as I know to emulate one
>> by pressing fn key shortcuts. I use the laptop keyboard layout with NVDA
>> and I like it. However, I also use a wireless keyboard when I’m away from
>> the laptop. Would it be possible to have a separate keyboard layout for
>> this keyboard? This doesn’t seem to be possible yet, but is anyone
>> interested in either adding this functionality to NVDA or as an optional
>> add on? I’m not sure if this is even possible, and if it were you’d have
>> to detect the type of keyboard, EG USB, ps2, etc. This would allow you to
>> have separate layouts for each keyboard you use. The reason I’m asking is
>> because the synthesizer settings ring doesn’t seem to exist in the laptop
>> keyboard layout. If it does, I haven’t been able to discover the keyboard
>> shortcuts bound to it.  Additionally, the voice settings dialog seems to
>> have a bug. Opening it and changing a synthesizer setting, EG rate, and
>> then pressing the OK button does not close the dialog. Pressing the escape
>> key does close it but also reverts the setting changed. This is with NVDA
>> 2017.4. This occurs with windows one-core as well as the built in Espeak
>> synth. This isn’t a complaint, just an idea. Is anyone interested or have
>> any feedback?
>> Thanks
>> Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
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>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: screen shade

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

if you can see what is the point?
that is real sad you think you need this feature, before you can be productive as a blind person?
 
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

I totally agree! It's not just a privacy thing. What about those people who the monitor hurts their eyes? Again, yeah, just turn the monitor off, I get it, but like I said earlier, a lot of these monitors you hit a keystroke and yeah, it turns it off, but only until your next keypress, which kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion, therefore, a screenshade would be in order.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lenron
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

Josh your argument is so invalid. Just because I want privacy does not
mean I must be up to something bad hell I just want to be able to have
my screen blank when I need it to be. I wouldn't dream of wanting to
get in the way of someone elses privacy unless I had a major reason.

On 12/18/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> People have a right to privacy no matter what they are doing.  If I'm
> sitting in a chair with headphones on, I have a right to privacy in my home.
>  If I'm on a bus, train, or plane, and I'm writing in my diary, or writing
> an e-mail, not intended for general viewing, I have a right to privacy.
> Privacy is not just something you have a right to or legitimately want when
> you are performing socially unacceptable actions.  If that were true, the
> very act of taking actions to safeguard your privacy could be regarded by
> the legal system as an admission of guilt or a serious indication of guilt
> about something.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Karim Lakhani
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade
>
>
> I'm concerned how many things you all do on your computers, that you don't
> want any buddy to look at.
> How many hours in a day do you write this kind of personal data which is
> something you want to hide?
> I think looking at porn is real high usage because they can see the screen,
> it stops no one from using these acts.
> With sound a porn sight with audio would require head phones don't you
> think?
> I love the audio ducking in NVDA, because you can accomplish so much while
> using the computer and then when it's just stream the sound is at the sound
> you want.
> Marry Christmas and a happy new year.
>
> I worked at a company where co - workers who are sighted and didn't work
> directly in my group, but because I kept my screen off, and wore head phones
> they didn't think I was working.
> But I didn't let the matter go, if my eyes are getting bothered from the
> light on the monitor it was a great move.In stead of waiting for someone to
> write code to prevent this matter.
>
> Hope not all of us have to continuously write letters which no one else
> should write.
> good night!
>
>
>
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>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh
> Kennedy
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:32 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] screen shade
>
>
> Ok about the screen shade. Why do blind people need a screen shade? And why
> do sighted people they don't need a screen shade? So why is it good for
> blind to have screen shade but not sighted? Oh and if I were a sighted
> person and you had a screen shade on, I would just pick up my smart phone
> and do some research and could figure out how to turn it off anyway. And
> what if the keyboard command for turning it on and off were spread on
> facebook and twitter? Now anybody can just come by your computer ;and turn
> the screen shade off. Or  someone could just hack the computer and use it
> screen shade or no shade, without even caring screen shade is on or off.
> Don't know why you want screen shade, but if it is for privacy? Forget it.
> If I had a blind son and I were a sighted parent and caught my blind son
> having a screen shade, I would suspect he's doing or reading stuff he should
> not. Guess what? I take the computer or phone away from him for a week or
> so. He gets punished for using screen shade.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>
>
>


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Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

HI.  When I started work, I came to an arrangement with my boss.  Because I didn't like my colleagues crowding around me or peeping round my shoulder when I was coding a program, I asked my boss if I could work without switching on my monitor, showing him my progress by emailing him the code at the end of the day for later discussion, so I didn't need a screen curtain as such.


On 18/12/2017 9:52 AM, David Moore wrote:

I did not think about the fact that a sighted person can look over their shoulder for prying eyes.

That is a great point! Good come back LOL!

I like good debates and discussions, because I just learned something right there!

David Moore

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From: Kevin Chao
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Screen shade is useful for protecting confidential work information, which we may not know about prying eyes, and a sighted person can see when someone is looking over their shoulders.

 

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 5:27 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

As far as I know you can't just turn off the screen in the Windows settings and doing so may cause you real trouble if you can do it.  If you unexpectedly need sighted assistance, to deal with some sort of maintenance or performance problem, the screen should be on. 

 

The screen shade has the advantage that the screen is still on and a sighted person can work with the machine if needed.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: David Moore

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 7:02 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

I agree that we should only have features in screen readers that many people will really need, and will help them do a job. Many features in some screen readers are just not needed. You do not need a feature to do searches for you, when you can do a Google search. You don’t need this screen shade, because you can just turn off your screen in the Windows settings.

I really don’t know why anyone needs screen shade.

It is a useless feature, I think. How important is that for someone to be employed. We need screen readers to help people work many jobs, that should be the first importance. Next, intertainment uses need to be accessible with a screen reader. If you work hard, you need to play hard LOL!

NVDA does not have to have every feature that JAWS has either. I am so glad it doesn’t.

It takes me a few seconds to install NVDA, and 15 minutes to install JAWS, and JAWS leaves footprints all over my computer.

David Moore

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From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

 

Hi

 

I agree with Joseph.

 

There might be things from other screen readers we might use or might not use so I would rather the developers concentrate on screen reader features that help.

 

if some one has got the smarts they can do it in a add on and that way if one is made you have the choice of either adding it or not.

 

then down the track it could be added like you see with some addons that code gets added to the core of nvda.

 

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 12/18/2017 11:47 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

well fare enough,   but I still think it should be in the core one day in nvda.   if you don't want to use it then fare enough but I feel this is a feature for us blind screen reader users that is needed and would be a good thing for nvda to have built in.

On 17/12/2017 22:06, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Some JAWS users did report that it doesn’t work all the time.
As for my justification statement: like some in the community, I believe that NVDA's purpose is screen reading. I think NVDA Core should focus on screen reading, with add-ons coming in with optional features. I do understand that I can be heavy-handed at times like the one pointed out below, but I'm speaking from experience that just following the lead of another screen reader just because NVDA should is something I'm uncomfortable with. Also, privacy is something a shade feature cannot guarantee 100 percent, as there are numerous ways of breaching it, including sounds, speech, remote access, data sharing and many others.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

it does not work on my 2 all in ones and I tried a little program on my laptops that should do this but it didn't work. I think it should be in nvda and Joseph for you just to say that you won't consider it if people say other screen readers have it is very heavy handed.

On 17/12/2017 21:24, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Sure, turning off the monitor may work, but not always.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Didier Colle
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

Hi Joseeph,


Thanks for the clarification.


Indeed, showing a blank window would not save energy. But why not simply switching off the screen (power button on an external monitor, or using the Fn+F7 (or similar key combination) on a laptop? Then you have both advantages, the pseudo "privacy" thing, and the energy saving.


I agree with the rest.

If an add-on would be needed, then I believe it is more worth
investing in an add-on that can report the status of the screen
(backlight level, to what port/screen the video signal is send), a bit
like the battery level feature in NVDA (nvda+shift+b)


Kind Regards,


Didier


On 17/12/2017 22:04, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
As noted by some members, screen shade/curtain shows what appears to be a blank screen. This is used to "guarantee" privacy for screen reader users. Note the quotation marks around "guarantee", as it does not really guarantee privacy, as there are means to circumvent this (speech output, braille displays, remote access, etc.).
   From what I can gather, this function does not result in extended battery life nor power savings. When this function is turned on, an overlay window is imposed on top of other windows, and turning this off removes this overlay. As I said above, this does not provide privacy as many of you may think.
As for this being part of a screen reader: my overall opinion is that it should not. If people want it, then I think an add-on would be a more appropriate solution. Only after looking at justifications and costs should developers consider adding this into NVDA, in my opinion, and personally for me, a justification that goes along the lines of, "because another screen reader has this" is something I won't even consider.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Didier Colle
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

Hi all,


I am not sure what this functionality is exactly about.

When it is about switching off / dimming the monitor, I do not understand why it would not save on battery....

The backlight of a monitor in a laptop, tablet, smartphone, ... whatever is one of the main power sinks in such systems.


On a laptop, you can often (this may vary between laptops) use Fn+f7
for switching between different display modes (signal send only to
laptop monitor, signal send to external monitor only or signal send
to
both) or
Fn+F5 to dim the backlight and Fn+F6 to light it up.When I am on
Fn+battery
power for a long time, I dim the backlight with Fn+f5 to save battery.

Thus you don't need a NVDA add-on for that, although such add-on may
be useful to read the status of the screen (to which monitor is the
signal send, on what level is the backlight). I have no clue whether
windows has access to such info, let alone it provides an api to
request that info (it might be the case that on some laptops this is
a pure BIOS feature completely transparent to windows).


Once again, I am not sure what this functionality is supposed to be
exactly, and thus I may be speaking about something completely different.


Kind regards,


Didier


On 17/12/2017 9:24, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

   From what I know about Windows and indeed most screenreaders, this
function is just for privacy, ie its not going to save any battery.
If that is what you want then I'd have thought it was possible to do
it, kind of like a screensaver that never actually loses focus but
then you need to be able to tell nvda that you want it to use the
invisible window not the visible one.

In the  issues tracker there is a thread on this.
Also the ultimate way |of doing this on a desktop is called the
monitor off switch..... ahem.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?


Hi,

VoiceOver has had screen curtain feature for a long while and JAWS
recently got screen shade.

Does NVDA have a similar feature via an add-on or natively?
Thanks!

 














 

 

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Re: an idea for possible new NVDA functionality

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Kendell,
With reference to the odd behavior you are experiencing with the Voice
Settings dialog, this report has been seen in the past wherein the
unofficial ETI Eloquence driver is in use. If you are using any other
speech synthesizer (please specify which), this is a bug worth
investigating.
In regards to your second query, the laptop keyboard layout keystrokes
for accessing the Synth Settings Ring are NVDA+Ctrl+Shift+arrow keys,
i.e. just add the Shift key to the existing key combination.
Thanks.

On 12/19/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Joseph needs to comment on this.

Non technical version.

I don't see any reason there couldn't be another keyboard for a
spaciffic board especially if you know all the codes for all the keys
and what they all do reguardless of things.

It should be able to be made the file for this.

Technical.

However are there keyboard files, yoou would need a definition for the
board, it wouldn't matter what was connected to it.

That all assumes that you can actually do this yourself.

Are the keyboards part of nvda itself or are they definition files.

It may be a good idea maybe that keyboards are different files so people
can define their own keyboards and share them.

Most keyboards would be the same, however I do know cases where some
keyboards are different.




On 19/12/2017 8:53 p.m., coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi all
This may or may not have been discussed hear already, so hear goes. I have
a vizio ct14 ultrabook. It has one of those keyboards which does not
contain a number pad and it’s not possible as far as I know to emulate one
by pressing fn key shortcuts. I use the laptop keyboard layout with NVDA
and I like it. However, I also use a wireless keyboard when I’m away from
the laptop. Would it be possible to have a separate keyboard layout for
this keyboard? This doesn’t seem to be possible yet, but is anyone
interested in either adding this functionality to NVDA or as an optional
add on? I’m not sure if this is even possible, and if it were you’d have
to detect the type of keyboard, EG USB, ps2, etc. This would allow you to
have separate layouts for each keyboard you use. The reason I’m asking is
because the synthesizer settings ring doesn’t seem to exist in the laptop
keyboard layout. If it does, I haven’t been able to discover the keyboard
shortcuts bound to it. Additionally, the voice settings dialog seems to
have a bug. Opening it and changing a synthesizer setting, EG rate, and
then pressing the OK button does not close the dialog. Pressing the escape
key does close it but also reverts the setting changed. This is with NVDA
2017.4. This occurs with windows one-core as well as the built in Espeak
synth. This isn’t a complaint, just an idea. Is anyone interested or have
any feedback?
Thanks
Kendell Clark


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Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

 

In the screen reader its fine.

Now I have no issue with the feature, its not its fault if its wrongly used.

Windows likes to lower sounds a lot for things when it doesn't need to.

On that note, I am unsure if the settings dialog in skype app is the same as old skype classic but if you uncheck the control microphone and control speakers in prefferences then windows technically can't control anything at all.

The other thing is you can always have autoanswer on but thats not always good either.

On 19/12/2017 9:08 p.m., Adriani Botez wrote:
Hey,


Regarding audio ducking, it gives you access to information more confortably for example during an online conference or when you broadcast something or if you are a dj. So, yes it contributes to improve screen reading.

Best
Adriani
on meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 19.12.2017 um 08:41 schrieb Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>:

Hi all,
Instead of responding to broad points of contention by side
opposition, at this stage of the debate, I find it more rational to
take specific statements and rebut them one by one. That is precisely
what I shall be doing in this e-mail.

* “Audio ducking and speech review, braille display features and so on
are being made to to be able to read the screen in a proper way. This
means that you get the information which is being displayed on a
screen.”
Audio ducking was the example I had utilized to prove my point of the
futility of the rigid definition of a screen reader that side
opposition was previously emphasizing, so that is the example I will
be happy to defend in particular. How does audio ducking enable you to
read the contents of the screen properly in the strictest sense? Audio
ducking only lowers the volume of other computer audio, something,
that under your model and with your guiding definitions, is principly
owrong and out-of-scope for a screen reader. What side proposition is
simply stating is that audio ducking, despite playing no role in
presenting, organizing or interpreting the screen contents, and thus
failing to meet the standards of opposition’s definition of a screen
reader, is a feature that many screen readers regularly use and love.
This just goes on to validate Gene’s following statement – “I think
that, as a general guiding principle the argument that a screen-reader
should be primarily designed to provide access to content on screen is
a good guide. But it, as any other guiding principle anywhere, if
taken too rigidly, without regard to context and justification to not
always adhere to it, becomes ideology and stifles rational
development.”

* “In this case, a screen reader could also clean up your registry and
delete viruses and what not.”
No, this is a misunderstood and unaccepted extension of proposition’s
principle. This is so because registry cleaning and virus detection
are not features that in any way exclusively beneficial to a screen
reader user, the target audience of a screen reading software, a blind
person.

* “As a previous user stated, it really depends what NVDA's game plan is.”
I personally disagree. The fundamental premise of side proposition’s
case is not to compete with the others or based on the fact that a
competitor has incorporated this functionality, but the strongest
foothold of our case is the utility value of screen dimming itself.
The motion stands irrespective of “NVDA’s game plan”.
Thanks.

On 12/19/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't need either. Screen Shade or curtain. I just leave the monitor off.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: December-18-17 2:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

If all Screen shading does is blackout your screen, I don't know if it'd be
something NVDA should incorporate.
I'd rather see something more useful than an addon that just blacks out the
screen.
I understand the privacy argument, but that's only going to be useful for
laptops and tablets. With a desktop, you can leave the monitor off and
still
use the computer.
As a previous user stated, it really depends what NVDA's game plan is.
If they're trying to compete with the other screen readers, then they'll
need to add screen shading.
If they do incorporate it into the main screen reader, I'd suggest adding a
bunch of other new and useful features along with it.
Chris






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Re: an idea for possible new NVDA functionality

 

Joseph needs to comment on this.

Non technical version.

I don't see any reason there couldn't be another keyboard for a spaciffic board especially if you know all the codes for all the keys and what they all do reguardless of things.

It should be able to be made the file for this.

Technical.

However are there keyboard files, yoou would need a definition for the board, it wouldn't matter what was connected to it.

That all assumes that you can actually do this yourself.

Are the keyboards part of nvda itself or are they definition files.

It may be a good idea maybe that keyboards are different files so people can define their own keyboards and share them.

Most keyboards would be the same, however I do know cases where some keyboards are different.

On 19/12/2017 8:53 p.m., coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi all
This may or may not have been discussed hear already, so hear goes. I have a vizio ct14 ultrabook. It has one of those keyboards which does not contain a number pad and it’s not possible as far as I know to emulate one by pressing fn key shortcuts. I use the laptop keyboard layout with NVDA and I like it. However, I also use a wireless keyboard when I’m away from the laptop. Would it be possible to have a separate keyboard layout for this keyboard? This doesn’t seem to be possible yet, but is anyone interested in either adding this functionality to NVDA or as an optional add on? I’m not sure if this is even possible, and if it were you’d have to detect the type of keyboard, EG USB, ps2, etc. This would allow you to have separate layouts for each keyboard you use. The reason I’m asking is because the synthesizer settings ring doesn’t seem to exist in the laptop keyboard layout. If it does, I haven’t been able to discover the keyboard shortcuts bound to it. Additionally, the voice settings dialog seems to have a bug. Opening it and changing a synthesizer setting, EG rate, and then pressing the OK button does not close the dialog. Pressing the escape key does close it but also reverts the setting changed. This is with NVDA 2017.4. This occurs with windows one-core as well as the built in Espeak synth. This isn’t a complaint, just an idea. Is anyone interested or have any feedback?
Thanks
Kendell Clark


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Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

Adriani Botez
 

Hey,


Regarding audio ducking, it gives you access to information more confortably for example during an online conference or when you broadcast something or if you are a dj. So, yes it contributes to improve screen reading.

Best
Adriani
on meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 19.12.2017 um 08:41 schrieb Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>:

Hi all,
Instead of responding to broad points of contention by side
opposition, at this stage of the debate, I find it more rational to
take specific statements and rebut them one by one. That is precisely
what I shall be doing in this e-mail.

* “Audio ducking and speech review, braille display features and so on
are being made to to be able to read the screen in a proper way. This
means that you get the information which is being displayed on a
screen.”
Audio ducking was the example I had utilized to prove my point of the
futility of the rigid definition of a screen reader that side
opposition was previously emphasizing, so that is the example I will
be happy to defend in particular. How does audio ducking enable you to
read the contents of the screen properly in the strictest sense? Audio
ducking only lowers the volume of other computer audio, something,
that under your model and with your guiding definitions, is principly
owrong and out-of-scope for a screen reader. What side proposition is
simply stating is that audio ducking, despite playing no role in
presenting, organizing or interpreting the screen contents, and thus
failing to meet the standards of opposition’s definition of a screen
reader, is a feature that many screen readers regularly use and love.
This just goes on to validate Gene’s following statement – “I think
that, as a general guiding principle the argument that a screen-reader
should be primarily designed to provide access to content on screen is
a good guide. But it, as any other guiding principle anywhere, if
taken too rigidly, without regard to context and justification to not
always adhere to it, becomes ideology and stifles rational
development.”

* “In this case, a screen reader could also clean up your registry and
delete viruses and what not.”
No, this is a misunderstood and unaccepted extension of proposition’s
principle. This is so because registry cleaning and virus detection
are not features that in any way exclusively beneficial to a screen
reader user, the target audience of a screen reading software, a blind
person.

* “As a previous user stated, it really depends what NVDA's game plan is.”
I personally disagree. The fundamental premise of side proposition’s
case is not to compete with the others or based on the fact that a
competitor has incorporated this functionality, but the strongest
foothold of our case is the utility value of screen dimming itself.
The motion stands irrespective of “NVDA’s game plan”.
Thanks.

On 12/19/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't need either. Screen Shade or curtain. I just leave the monitor off.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: December-18-17 2:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

If all Screen shading does is blackout your screen, I don't know if it'd be
something NVDA should incorporate.
I'd rather see something more useful than an addon that just blacks out the
screen.
I understand the privacy argument, but that's only going to be useful for
laptops and tablets. With a desktop, you can leave the monitor off and
still
use the computer.
As a previous user stated, it really depends what NVDA's game plan is.
If they're trying to compete with the other screen readers, then they'll
need to add screen shading.
If they do incorporate it into the main screen reader, I'd suggest adding a
bunch of other new and useful features along with it.
Chris







--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
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an idea for possible new NVDA functionality

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

Hi all

This may or may not have been discussed hear already, so hear goes. I have a vizio ct14 ultrabook. It has one of those keyboards which does not contain a number pad and it’s not possible as far as I know to emulate one by pressing fn key shortcuts. I use the laptop keyboard layout with NVDA and I like it. However, I also use a wireless keyboard when I’m away from the laptop. Would it be possible to have a separate keyboard layout for this keyboard? This doesn’t seem to be possible yet, but is anyone interested in either adding this functionality to NVDA or as an optional add on? I’m not sure if this is even possible, and if it were you’d have to detect the type of keyboard, EG USB, ps2, etc. This would allow you to have separate layouts for each keyboard you use. The reason I’m asking is because the synthesizer settings ring doesn’t seem to exist in the laptop keyboard layout. If it does, I haven’t been able to discover the keyboard shortcuts bound to it.  Additionally, the voice settings dialog seems to have a bug. Opening it and changing a synthesizer setting, EG rate, and then pressing the OK button does not close the dialog. Pressing the escape key does close it but also reverts the setting changed. This is with NVDA 2017.4. This occurs with windows one-core as well as the built in Espeak synth. This isn’t a complaint, just an idea. Is anyone interested or have any feedback?

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

Bhavya shah
 

Hi all,
Instead of responding to broad points of contention by side
opposition, at this stage of the debate, I find it more rational to
take specific statements and rebut them one by one. That is precisely
what I shall be doing in this e-mail.

* “Audio ducking and speech review, braille display features and so on
are being made to to be able to read the screen in a proper way. This
means that you get the information which is being displayed on a
screen.”
Audio ducking was the example I had utilized to prove my point of the
futility of the rigid definition of a screen reader that side
opposition was previously emphasizing, so that is the example I will
be happy to defend in particular. How does audio ducking enable you to
read the contents of the screen properly in the strictest sense? Audio
ducking only lowers the volume of other computer audio, something,
that under your model and with your guiding definitions, is principly
owrong and out-of-scope for a screen reader. What side proposition is
simply stating is that audio ducking, despite playing no role in
presenting, organizing or interpreting the screen contents, and thus
failing to meet the standards of opposition’s definition of a screen
reader, is a feature that many screen readers regularly use and love.
This just goes on to validate Gene’s following statement – “I think
that, as a general guiding principle the argument that a screen-reader
should be primarily designed to provide access to content on screen is
a good guide. But it, as any other guiding principle anywhere, if
taken too rigidly, without regard to context and justification to not
always adhere to it, becomes ideology and stifles rational
development.”

* “In this case, a screen reader could also clean up your registry and
delete viruses and what not.”
No, this is a misunderstood and unaccepted extension of proposition’s
principle. This is so because registry cleaning and virus detection
are not features that in any way exclusively beneficial to a screen
reader user, the target audience of a screen reading software, a blind
person.

* “As a previous user stated, it really depends what NVDA's game plan is.”
I personally disagree. The fundamental premise of side proposition’s
case is not to compete with the others or based on the fact that a
competitor has incorporated this functionality, but the strongest
foothold of our case is the utility value of screen dimming itself.
The motion stands irrespective of “NVDA’s game plan”.
Thanks.

On 12/19/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't need either. Screen Shade or curtain. I just leave the monitor off.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: December-18-17 2:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

If all Screen shading does is blackout your screen, I don't know if it'd be
something NVDA should incorporate.
I'd rather see something more useful than an addon that just blacks out the
screen.
I understand the privacy argument, but that's only going to be useful for
laptops and tablets. With a desktop, you can leave the monitor off and
still
use the computer.
As a previous user stated, it really depends what NVDA's game plan is.
If they're trying to compete with the other screen readers, then they'll
need to add screen shading.
If they do incorporate it into the main screen reader, I'd suggest adding a
bunch of other new and useful features along with it.
Chris






--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750


Re: screen shade

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Sorry, I don't follow.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

I'm glad this is the main concern , in your life then other things we need to accomplish.
I think we as blind peopled are slowly, making people believe, just because we are blind.
Doesn't make us brainless!
 
 
 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

I totally agree! It's not just a privacy thing. What about those people who the monitor hurts their eyes? Again, yeah, just turn the monitor off, I get it, but like I said earlier, a lot of these monitors you hit a keystroke and yeah, it turns it off, but only until your next keypress, which kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion, therefore, a screenshade would be in order.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Lenron
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

Josh your argument is so invalid. Just because I want privacy does not
mean I must be up to something bad hell I just want to be able to have
my screen blank when I need it to be. I wouldn't dream of wanting to
get in the way of someone elses privacy unless I had a major reason.

On 12/18/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> People have a right to privacy no matter what they are doing.  If I'm
> sitting in a chair with headphones on, I have a right to privacy in my home.
>  If I'm on a bus, train, or plane, and I'm writing in my diary, or writing
> an e-mail, not intended for general viewing, I have a right to privacy.
> Privacy is not just something you have a right to or legitimately want when
> you are performing socially unacceptable actions.  If that were true, the
> very act of taking actions to safeguard your privacy could be regarded by
> the legal system as an admission of guilt or a serious indication of guilt
> about something.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Karim Lakhani
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade
>
>
> I'm concerned how many things you all do on your computers, that you don't
> want any buddy to look at.
> How many hours in a day do you write this kind of personal data which is
> something you want to hide?
> I think looking at porn is real high usage because they can see the screen,
> it stops no one from using these acts.
> With sound a porn sight with audio would require head phones don't you
> think?
> I love the audio ducking in NVDA, because you can accomplish so much while
> using the computer and then when it's just stream the sound is at the sound
> you want.
> Marry Christmas and a happy new year.
>
> I worked at a company where co - workers who are sighted and didn't work
> directly in my group, but because I kept my screen off, and wore head phones
> they didn't think I was working.
> But I didn't let the matter go, if my eyes are getting bothered from the
> light on the monitor it was a great move.In stead of waiting for someone to
> write code to prevent this matter.
>
> Hope not all of us have to continuously write letters which no one else
> should write.
> good night!
>
>
>
> EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
> $$$$
> SKYPE: goldenace4
> $$$$
> Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
> reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
> can control is your character.
> - Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh
> Kennedy
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:32 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] screen shade
>
>
> Ok about the screen shade. Why do blind people need a screen shade? And why
> do sighted people they don't need a screen shade? So why is it good for
> blind to have screen shade but not sighted? Oh and if I were a sighted
> person and you had a screen shade on, I would just pick up my smart phone
> and do some research and could figure out how to turn it off anyway. And
> what if the keyboard command for turning it on and off were spread on
> facebook and twitter? Now anybody can just come by your computer ;and turn
> the screen shade off. Or  someone could just hack the computer and use it
> screen shade or no shade, without even caring screen shade is on or off.
> Don't know why you want screen shade, but if it is for privacy? Forget it.
> If I had a blind son and I were a sighted parent and caught my blind son
> having a screen shade, I would suspect he's doing or reading stuff he should
> not. Guess what? I take the computer or phone away from him for a week or
> so. He gets punished for using screen shade.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>
>
>


--
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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762



Re: screen shade

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

I'm glad this is the main concern , in your life then other things we need to accomplish.
I think we as blind peopled are slowly, making people believe, just because we are blind.
Doesn't make us brainless!
 
 
 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

I totally agree! It's not just a privacy thing. What about those people who the monitor hurts their eyes? Again, yeah, just turn the monitor off, I get it, but like I said earlier, a lot of these monitors you hit a keystroke and yeah, it turns it off, but only until your next keypress, which kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion, therefore, a screenshade would be in order.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Lenron
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

Josh your argument is so invalid. Just because I want privacy does not
mean I must be up to something bad hell I just want to be able to have
my screen blank when I need it to be. I wouldn't dream of wanting to
get in the way of someone elses privacy unless I had a major reason.

On 12/18/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> People have a right to privacy no matter what they are doing.  If I'm
> sitting in a chair with headphones on, I have a right to privacy in my home.
>  If I'm on a bus, train, or plane, and I'm writing in my diary, or writing
> an e-mail, not intended for general viewing, I have a right to privacy.
> Privacy is not just something you have a right to or legitimately want when
> you are performing socially unacceptable actions.  If that were true, the
> very act of taking actions to safeguard your privacy could be regarded by
> the legal system as an admission of guilt or a serious indication of guilt
> about something.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Karim Lakhani
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade
>
>
> I'm concerned how many things you all do on your computers, that you don't
> want any buddy to look at.
> How many hours in a day do you write this kind of personal data which is
> something you want to hide?
> I think looking at porn is real high usage because they can see the screen,
> it stops no one from using these acts.
> With sound a porn sight with audio would require head phones don't you
> think?
> I love the audio ducking in NVDA, because you can accomplish so much while
> using the computer and then when it's just stream the sound is at the sound
> you want.
> Marry Christmas and a happy new year.
>
> I worked at a company where co - workers who are sighted and didn't work
> directly in my group, but because I kept my screen off, and wore head phones
> they didn't think I was working.
> But I didn't let the matter go, if my eyes are getting bothered from the
> light on the monitor it was a great move.In stead of waiting for someone to
> write code to prevent this matter.
>
> Hope not all of us have to continuously write letters which no one else
> should write.
> good night!
>
>
>
> EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
> $$$$
> SKYPE: goldenace4
> $$$$
> Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
> reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
> can control is your character.
> - Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh
> Kennedy
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:32 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] screen shade
>
>
> Ok about the screen shade. Why do blind people need a screen shade? And why
> do sighted people they don't need a screen shade? So why is it good for
> blind to have screen shade but not sighted? Oh and if I were a sighted
> person and you had a screen shade on, I would just pick up my smart phone
> and do some research and could figure out how to turn it off anyway. And
> what if the keyboard command for turning it on and off were spread on
> facebook and twitter? Now anybody can just come by your computer ;and turn
> the screen shade off. Or  someone could just hack the computer and use it
> screen shade or no shade, without even caring screen shade is on or off.
> Don't know why you want screen shade, but if it is for privacy? Forget it.
> If I had a blind son and I were a sighted parent and caught my blind son
> having a screen shade, I would suspect he's doing or reading stuff he should
> not. Guess what? I take the computer or phone away from him for a week or
> so. He gets punished for using screen shade.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>
>
>


--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762