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firefox 46.0 bug with the reporting of checkboxes

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Starting from firefox 46.0, nvda reports clickable for all checkboxes before the checkbox prompt. Is this intentional or a bug.


Re: duplicate messages

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Look, here is another copy of this message that I just replied too!

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages

 

Robert,

 

             Well, I set up the e-mail account I used to send the prior two messages via e-mail in Outlook 2010 as well.  This is the first one coming from Outlook.

 

             What I’m beginning to wonder if this is the result of the original poster not displaying her e-mail messages in the format known as threaded or conversation view.  When I have the display in message view, instead of conversation view, in Outlook I have scads of messages with the same subject, but they’re not really duplicates, it’s the ongoing back and forth.  If I use conversation view they remain bundled together.

 

              Let’s see if anything odd occurs once I send this one from Outlook.

 

Brian

 


Re: duplicate messages

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Brian, do you simply not understand what an exact COPY of a message is? I am quite capable of following messages that are replies to messages.

 

I am getting two of every message you are sending as well as some other people but not every person.

 

Cindy

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages

 

Robert,

 

             Well, I set up the e-mail account I used to send the prior two messages via e-mail in Outlook 2010 as well.  This is the first one coming from Outlook.

 

             What I’m beginning to wonder if this is the result of the original poster not displaying her e-mail messages in the format known as threaded or conversation view.  When I have the display in message view, instead of conversation view, in Outlook I have scads of messages with the same subject, but they’re not really duplicates, it’s the ongoing back and forth.  If I use conversation view they remain bundled together.

 

              Let’s see if anything odd occurs once I send this one from Outlook.

 

Brian

 


Re: duplicate messages

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I received two of your original message and also two this one.

 

Cindy

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 10:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages

 

This is my reply to my last message, which just landed in my inbox.  Lets see if I get two of these.

 

Brian

 

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Cindy,

          I participate through the website, but all of my e-mail addresses are gmail addresses and I did not receive duplicate messages when I did testing with receiving individual e-mail messages.  I have just changed my subscription to individual e-mail messages and will reply via e-mail to this one and see what happens.

Brian
-- 
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
      ~ H.L. Mencken

    

 



 

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Re: word 2016

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Thanks again.

 

From: Quentin Christensen [mailto:quentin@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 9:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] word 2016

 

The other thing you can do, if you use them often, is add the bookmark option to the quick access toolbar:

 

press alt+n, z, l as before, but instead of pressing "k" to open the bookmark dialog, press tab until you get to bookmarks in the ribbon, then press the applications key to bring up the context menu, choose add to quick access toolbar.

 

You can then press alt+number to access it in future (alt+1 for the first option, save by default, alt+2 for the second, undo, etc).

 

 

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Alt+i+k also works for book marks. It is an older shortcut.



 

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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: duplicate messages

 

Robert,

 

             Well, I set up the e-mail account I used to send the prior two messages via e-mail in Outlook 2010 as well.  This is the first one coming from Outlook.

 

             What I’m beginning to wonder if this is the result of the original poster not displaying her e-mail messages in the format known as threaded or conversation view.  When I have the display in message view, instead of conversation view, in Outlook I have scads of messages with the same subject, but they’re not really duplicates, it’s the ongoing back and forth.  If I use conversation view they remain bundled together.

 

              Let’s see if anything odd occurs once I send this one from Outlook.

 

Brian

 


Re: duplicate messages

Robert Mendoza
 

hello, Brian! Yes, that is the exact scenario happened if you used a web based mail it was bundled into one subject line. But, if you setup the email account into third party apps like android, thunderbird, and the like the duplicationg will take place.
Robert Mendoza
On 4/29/2016 11:15 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Robert,

        So far, no duplicates.  My prior reply was done via the Gmail web interface on my computer.  This one comes from the Gmail app on my smartphone.

Brian

On Apr 28, 2016 11:11 PM, "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
hello, Brian! Yes the duplicating messages usually occurs if you are using different email client platform. The web mail based service for gmail normally bundled into one subject line. Perhaps the real problem here is that if you setup your email account into third party program like the one she used in android , thunderbird and the the like. would pretty duplicate it. But, again, the most recent one is the one should be consider as new thread instead of digging down into the old post of messages she render or receiving in her inbox.
Robert Mendoza
On 4/29/2016 10:56 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is my reply to my last message, which just landed in my inbox.  Lets see if I get two of these.

Brian

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Cindy,

          I participate through the website, but all of my e-mail addresses are gmail addresses and I did not receive duplicate messages when I did testing with receiving individual e-mail messages.  I have just changed my subscription to individual e-mail messages and will reply via e-mail to this one and see what happens.

Brian
-- 
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
      ~ H.L. Mencken

    





--
Bri the Tech Guy          http://britechguy.com
britechguy@...            (540) 324-5032 or (540) 849-0023                            
"If it's got you screaming, I'll help you stop!!"



Re: duplicate messages

 

Robert,

        So far, no duplicates.  My prior reply was done via the Gmail web interface on my computer.  This one comes from the Gmail app on my smartphone.

Brian

On Apr 28, 2016 11:11 PM, "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
hello, Brian! Yes the duplicating messages usually occurs if you are using different email client platform. The web mail based service for gmail normally bundled into one subject line. Perhaps the real problem here is that if you setup your email account into third party program like the one she used in android , thunderbird and the the like. would pretty duplicate it. But, again, the most recent one is the one should be consider as new thread instead of digging down into the old post of messages she render or receiving in her inbox.
Robert Mendoza
On 4/29/2016 10:56 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is my reply to my last message, which just landed in my inbox.  Lets see if I get two of these.

Brian

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Cindy,

          I participate through the website, but all of my e-mail addresses are gmail addresses and I did not receive duplicate messages when I did testing with receiving individual e-mail messages.  I have just changed my subscription to individual e-mail messages and will reply via e-mail to this one and see what happens.

Brian
-- 
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
      ~ H.L. Mencken

    





--
Bri the Tech Guy          http://britechguy.com
britechguy@...            (540) 324-5032 or (540) 849-0023                            
"If it's got you screaming, I'll help you stop!!"


Re: duplicate messages

Robert Mendoza
 

hello, Brian! Yes the duplicating messages usually occurs if you are using different email client platform. The web mail based service for gmail normally bundled into one subject line. Perhaps the real problem here is that if you setup your email account into third party program like the one she used in android , thunderbird and the the like. would pretty duplicate it. But, again, the most recent one is the one should be consider as new thread instead of digging down into the old post of messages she render or receiving in her inbox.
Robert Mendoza
On 4/29/2016 10:56 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

This is my reply to my last message, which just landed in my inbox.  Lets see if I get two of these.

Brian

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Cindy,

          I participate through the website, but all of my e-mail addresses are gmail addresses and I did not receive duplicate messages when I did testing with receiving individual e-mail messages.  I have just changed my subscription to individual e-mail messages and will reply via e-mail to this one and see what happens.

Brian
-- 
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
      ~ H.L. Mencken

    





--
Bri the Tech Guy          http://britechguy.com
britechguy@...            (540) 324-5032 or (540) 849-0023                            
"If it's got you screaming, I'll help you stop!!"


Re: duplicate messages

 

This is my reply to my last message, which just landed in my inbox.  Lets see if I get two of these.

Brian

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Cindy,

          I participate through the website, but all of my e-mail addresses are gmail addresses and I did not receive duplicate messages when I did testing with receiving individual e-mail messages.  I have just changed my subscription to individual e-mail messages and will reply via e-mail to this one and see what happens.

Brian
-- 
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
      ~ H.L. Mencken

    





--
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britechguy@...            (540) 324-5032 or (540) 849-0023                            
"If it's got you screaming, I'll help you stop!!"


Re: duplicate messages

 

Cindy,

          I participate through the website, but all of my e-mail addresses are gmail addresses and I did not receive duplicate messages when I did testing with receiving individual e-mail messages.  I have just changed my subscription to individual e-mail messages and will reply via e-mail to this one and see what happens.

Brian
-- 
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
      ~ H.L. Mencken

    



Re: duplicate messages

Robert Mendoza
 

hello, Cindy!

There is nothing wrong about with google gmail account that you've been using. It just that the mailing list was intended to create this type of duplicating messages you've been experiencing right now. Or, I may say it was pretty something into a technical routing for receiving that was setup into the EO listing server perhaps.

Robert Mendoza

On 4/29/2016 9:04 AM, slery wrote:
Well, if it is google, then they only have a problem with this list and not the other 12 email listservs I am on.

Like Gene said, it is not my messages that are the problem (though they are also being duplicated).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 4:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages

Well, as I say, it sounds like its Google mail. If you look at the list email does it seem that its actually coming from you not the list?
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "slery" <slerythema@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages


I am using AquaMail on my android phone and outlook 2013 on my desktop.


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 6:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages

I guess a look at the message source might give a reason. its hard to advise
without seeing the messages. it has to be something in the email software
being used to receive messages or we would all have the problem.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "slery" <slerythema@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages


Dexter Not Duplicate threat it is the exact same message twice but it does
not happen on every single message but almost every other message that I
get a duplicate from the same person with the same message

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On April 25, 2016 11:26:59 PM "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...>
wrote:

I would assume that she is receiving multiple messages with one subject
line. But, again it really depend on the others users how they responded
, instead of using one email thread. to avoid cluttering into inbox. Or,
I would say that the said email recipients has this type of norms is
being setup.

Robert Mendoza

On 4/26/2016 11:08 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Cindy,

Can you be more specific with regard to which messages and
topics? I had been seeing quite a few on this group, and started a
thread dedicated to some of the reasons they might be occurring
<https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/thread/likely_reasons_for/1067760?p=,,,50,0,0,0:RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,50,2,0,1067760>,
but that has died down quite a bit since it was at it's peak a about 5
or 6 days ago. I haven't seen any over the last several days.

*/Brian/*
--
*The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to
men he knows to be idiots.*
~ /H.L. Mencken/














Re: word 2016

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Thank you so much for these very detailed instructions.

 

I, too, have used a similar method of inserting START HERE in all caps and using the find command to go back there especially when editing documents on different devices. I’ll try your work around for using the find/replace because I hate the find pane they are now using.

 

Again, thanks for being so thorough with your answer.

 

Cindy

 

From: Quentin Christensen [mailto:quentin@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] word 2016

 

Hi Cindy,

 

Find uses a task pane in Word 2016.  You can still kind of access the traditional find dialogue by pressing control+h for "find and replace" - the focus is on the original replace page of the dialog but if you just type something and press ENTER, it's the same as using find.

 

Re bookmarks, you can insert them though they are a bit annoying (there might be a shortcut, I must admit I haven't used bookmarks a lot):

 

alt+n (for insert ribbon)

then Z, L, K for Bookmark

 

Then type the name you want to give your bookmark (you can set multiple bookmarks).

 

To get back to your bookmark later, press control+g for go-to

then shift+tab back to the "go to what" list, down arrow to bookmark, then tab back to the edit field and it automatically inserts the name of your last bookmark so you can press ENTER or type another bookmark name.

 

Personally I more often just type my name in where I want to get back to, save the file and then use find to find my name (and remember to delete your name again).  Best to keep a backup copy of documents you do that with, just in case you inadvertently change something though.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, slery <slerythema@...> wrote:

I am reading a large manual (almost 500 pages). Is there a way to set a bookmark where I am currently reading so that I can go to another topic, read it and then return to my bookmarked place?

 

Also, I am having a very difficult time using find in this version of word. Are there any tips to make this easier to use?

 

Cindy



 

--

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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: word 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

The other thing you can do, if you use them often, is add the bookmark option to the quick access toolbar:

press alt+n, z, l as before, but instead of pressing "k" to open the bookmark dialog, press tab until you get to bookmarks in the ribbon, then press the applications key to bring up the context menu, choose add to quick access toolbar.

You can then press alt+number to access it in future (alt+1 for the first option, save by default, alt+2 for the second, undo, etc).


On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Alt+i+k also works for book marks. It is an older shortcut.




--
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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: duplicate messages

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Well, if it is google, then they only have a problem with this list and not the other 12 email listservs I am on.

Like Gene said, it is not my messages that are the problem (though they are also being duplicated).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 4:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages

Well, as I say, it sounds like its Google mail. If you look at the list email does it seem that its actually coming from you not the list?
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "slery" <slerythema@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages


I am using AquaMail on my android phone and outlook 2013 on my desktop.


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 6:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages

I guess a look at the message source might give a reason. its hard to advise
without seeing the messages. it has to be something in the email software
being used to receive messages or we would all have the problem.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "slery" <slerythema@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] duplicate messages


Dexter Not Duplicate threat it is the exact same message twice but it does
not happen on every single message but almost every other message that I
get a duplicate from the same person with the same message

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On April 25, 2016 11:26:59 PM "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...>
wrote:

I would assume that she is receiving multiple messages with one subject
line. But, again it really depend on the others users how they responded
, instead of using one email thread. to avoid cluttering into inbox. Or,
I would say that the said email recipients has this type of norms is
being setup.

Robert Mendoza

On 4/26/2016 11:08 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Cindy,

Can you be more specific with regard to which messages and
topics? I had been seeing quite a few on this group, and started a
thread dedicated to some of the reasons they might be occurring
<https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/thread/likely_reasons_for/1067760?p=,,,50,0,0,0:RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,50,2,0,1067760>,
but that has died down quite a bit since it was at it's peak a about 5
or 6 days ago. I haven't seen any over the last several days.

*/Brian/*
--
*The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to
men he knows to be idiots.*
~ /H.L. Mencken/



Re: word 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Alt+i+k also works for book marks. It is an older shortcut.


Re: reading foot notes in ms word

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Brian,

I would have said:
1. Switch to brows mode.
2. Hit nvda key + f7.
3. Set the radio button to annotations.
4. Navigate the tree view.

However, I created a foot note and tried this without success. It is possible that I am not creating the foot note correctly.

Pranav


Re: Admin's Note: Welcome Your New Moderator

Fernando Apan
 

That sounds wonderful, I’m sure it was a good desition. Welcome Gene!
Cheers.
 
Fernando Apan.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Welcome Your New Moderator
 
I would like to thank Nimer Jaber for the honor of being selected as a moderator. 
I am not yet acting as a moderator but at the outset, I want to make what I consider an important point. 
 
When I am writing as a list member and not sending moderation messages, I want and hope that list members will treat me as they always have.  That is, list members may feel as free as before to comment or disagree with me when I write as a member.  When I write as a moderator, then the rules apply for dealing with moderation matters but I see the two as completely separate.  I have the impression that on many lists, moderators may be treated differently even when they are participating as list members and I want to assure the list that I don't want that to be the case with me. 
 
I am looking forward to working with Nimer to keep the list running smoothly and to help the list meet the needs and concerns of NVDA users.  I look forward to serving the list.
 
Gene
 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 3:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] Admin's Note: Welcome Your New Moderator
 
Hello everyone,

I would like to welcome all of you to the new moderator who will step into Joseph's hard-to-fill shoes. Many of you know this individual, as he posts frequently with thoughtful, well-researched content. He has done this for a long time now.

Please welcome Gene to the moderation team. He will work with Joseph closely until the end of May to make sure that he has all of the information he needs to step into the position. Gene and I will work closely to continue to make sure that this list runs without problems. We will, of course, miss Joseph as he embarks on a new journey.

If you have any questions, concerns, problems or suggestions, please let the moderation team know at nvda+owner@groups.io
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Re: word 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Cindy,

Find uses a task pane in Word 2016.  You can still kind of access the traditional find dialogue by pressing control+h for "find and replace" - the focus is on the original replace page of the dialog but if you just type something and press ENTER, it's the same as using find.

Re bookmarks, you can insert them though they are a bit annoying (there might be a shortcut, I must admit I haven't used bookmarks a lot):

alt+n (for insert ribbon)
then Z, L, K for Bookmark

Then type the name you want to give your bookmark (you can set multiple bookmarks).

To get back to your bookmark later, press control+g for go-to
then shift+tab back to the "go to what" list, down arrow to bookmark, then tab back to the edit field and it automatically inserts the name of your last bookmark so you can press ENTER or type another bookmark name.

Personally I more often just type my name in where I want to get back to, save the file and then use find to find my name (and remember to delete your name again).  Best to keep a backup copy of documents you do that with, just in case you inadvertently change something though.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, slery <slerythema@...> wrote:

I am reading a large manual (almost 500 pages). Is there a way to set a bookmark where I am currently reading so that I can go to another topic, read it and then return to my bookmarked place?

 

Also, I am having a very difficult time using find in this version of word. Are there any tips to make this easier to use?

 

Cindy




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA and a free office

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  ok thanks! 
  Pete 


On 4/28/2016 4:14 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

@Pete,


Yes, but the required MS Visual C++ redistributables are bundled with the LibreOffice installer.

If not already present on the system they will be installed. Remember to do the installation --"run as administrator" and you should have no issues.


Stuart