Hello Sarah. I have to agree with you. There are cut backs going on in education and in the agencies for the blind, and these agencies will go for NVDA once the money runs dry, trust me they will.

I'm actually up for  competition. It will make each product better and better as time goes by.. I didn't want to use nvda in 2006 or 2007  when it came out as jaws at the time was the best. Now I won't touch jaws with a 10 foot pole. I tried to make my work switch but their excuse was that nvda was not meant for the word place and they would not consider it.

I'm actually up for  competition. It will make each product better and better as time goes by.. I didn't want to use nvda in 2006 or 2007  when it came out as jaws at the time was the best. Now I won't touch jaws with a 10 foot pole. I tried to make my work switch but their excuse was that nvda was not meant for the word place and they would not consider it.

On Dec 19, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Yes. All you have to do is go into the prefferences menu under tools and add-ons. Tab to get add-ons and your default browser should open to the page.

On 12/18/2017 8:45 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

 I'm not sure what language you are writing?

What screen reader are  you using voice over?

The reason I didn't want to downloads is because I don't know how?

When NVDA updates I get the notification and install it without worry about finding scripts, add no's or what ever window eye's use to call it.

Does that make sense to you?

 

 

 

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can control is your character.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

Thir is on ly one NVDA. You want add-ons download them. What does VO have to do with it? Meanwhile as Kereme hits the nog in Canada again...

On 12/18/2017 8:22 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Could we as NVDA users have the choice which version works the best for the individual?

That way we can choose which version to down load?

personally the voice over APP. with the Phone's out of the box it's great.

People can jail break and all, so as the people who code NVDA, would have to be the persons who decides what is important.

 

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can control is your character.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.

On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Hi,

Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.

If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?

I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00

 

Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.

I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.

 

 

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reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does.  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerardo Corripio

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 

If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA 
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not 
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more 
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to 
pay for a screen reader.

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Enviado desde Thunderbird

Merry Christmas to everyone on list. May 2018 be a better year for us all.

Rosemarie

Wishing everybody the same. Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

Wishing all list members a very merry Christmas and all the best for 2018.

Best regards

Anthony

i sincerely appreciate you and request divine infinite mercy and
blessings for you.

On 12/20/17, Curtis Delzer <curtis@calweb.com> wrote:

AND, HEY, ALL CAPS SAYS I SECOND THIS! All the wonderful work you do is
always top notch and fully appreciated by anyone who takes the time to
really learn.


On 12/19/2017 3:56 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Joseph,

I'm looking forward to listening to the new tutorial once it's
completed. Thank you for doing this for us.

Rosemarie

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Joseph Lee
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:40 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: production under way

Dear NVDA community,

A few weeks ago I asked on the NVDA users list if I should record an
updated version of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorial series, and
everyone said “yes”. Thus, I’m happy to announce that production of
2018 edition of this tutorial series is under way. Due to a completely
new synthesizer to be used, coupled with use of Microsoft Edge for
various web browsing examples, I’m recording most sections anew. I’m
also redoing most recordings to make the sound quality consistent
throughout the tutorial set, as the 2013 and 2015 editions had varying
audio quality.

Changes in the 2018 edition (part 1 is completed and waiting to be
assembled soon):

* Overall: use of Windows oneCore synthesizer. Due to popular
request, each topic will be an mp3 file of its own.
* Introduction (part 1): the new checkbox that offers to start the
portable copy when created is covered, along with restart with
debug logging option. Due to time constraints, new command line
options are not covered (they’ll be covered in an addendum).
* Basics (part 2): the newly expanded welcome dialog will be
covered. Apart from that, there’s nothing new in 2018 edition.
* Objects (part 3): stays the same except for new speech synthesizer.
* Web browsing (part 4): most examples will use Firefox and Edge,
with one or two requiring use of Internet Explorer. A new section
on MathML reading will be covered.
* Apps (part 5): Some replacements and new apps. In Microsoft Word
section, I’ll briefly demonstrate braille input support.
* Configuration (parts 6 and 7): Windows 10 OCR will be mentioned
but will not be covered, and a host of changes will be done thanks
to new and revised options in NVDA.
* Tools (part 8): Windows 10 OCR will be covered last.
* Add-ons (part 9): instead of OCR add-on, Golden Cursor will be
covered. Also, how to disable individual add-ons will be shown.
* Possible addenda: command-line switches, NVDA on Windows 10 on ARM.

For the most part, content should be identical to the 2015 edition.
The current edition of the tutorial set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

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in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

Wishing everybody the same. Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

Wishing all list members a very merry Christmas and all the best for 2018.

Best regards

Anthony

AND, HEY, ALL CAPS SAYS I SECOND THIS! All the wonderful work you do is
always top notch and fully appreciated by anyone who takes the time to
really learn.


On 12/19/2017 3:56 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Joseph,

I'm looking forward to listening to the new tutorial once it's
completed. Thank you for doing this for us.

Rosemarie

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Joseph Lee
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:40 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: production under way

Dear NVDA community,

A few weeks ago I asked on the NVDA users list if I should record an
updated version of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorial series, and
everyone said “yes”. Thus, I’m happy to announce that production of
2018 edition of this tutorial series is under way. Due to a completely
new synthesizer to be used, coupled with use of Microsoft Edge for
various web browsing examples, I’m recording most sections anew. I’m
also redoing most recordings to make the sound quality consistent
throughout the tutorial set, as the 2013 and 2015 editions had varying
audio quality.

Changes in the 2018 edition (part 1 is completed and waiting to be
assembled soon):

* Overall: use of Windows oneCore synthesizer. Due to popular
request, each topic will be an mp3 file of its own.
* Introduction (part 1): the new checkbox that offers to start the
portable copy when created is covered, along with restart with
debug logging option. Due to time constraints, new command line
options are not covered (they’ll be covered in an addendum).
* Basics (part 2): the newly expanded welcome dialog will be
covered. Apart from that, there’s nothing new in 2018 edition.
* Objects (part 3): stays the same except for new speech synthesizer.
* Web browsing (part 4): most examples will use Firefox and Edge,
with one or two requiring use of Internet Explorer. A new section
on MathML reading will be covered.
* Apps (part 5): Some replacements and new apps. In Microsoft Word
section, I’ll briefly demonstrate braille input support.
* Configuration (parts 6 and 7): Windows 10 OCR will be mentioned
but will not be covered, and a host of changes will be done thanks
to new and revised options in NVDA.
* Tools (part 8): Windows 10 OCR will be covered last.
* Add-ons (part 9): instead of OCR add-on, Golden Cursor will be
covered. Also, how to disable individual add-ons will be shown.
* Possible addenda: command-line switches, NVDA on Windows 10 on ARM.

For the most part, content should be identical to the 2015 edition.
The current edition of the tutorial set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi All,
Please, is there a way to preventing pages from refreshing automatically in
Firefox?
Many thanks
Season's blessings to all.
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving configuration

Well assuming the other computer is the same, ie it has any synths and other
bits and pieces the same you should do this.
Some may say this is over the top, but sometimes portable copies can be a
bit annoying.
1 make a portable copy on a ram drive.
2 download the exact version you have from the web site.
Firstly, install it clean from the web site. Don't worry about the config
being wrong.
Make sure the important bits like menus and all that stuff work in nvda.

Now insert your ram drive with your configured version on it. Go to it,
position yourself on the exe file, then terminate the running copy and run
the portable. When you get in navigate to the install option as you would,
and install over the top of the one you just installed, take the option to
keep the shrotcut and copy the existing config.
When its done and restarted and you check it works. Go to the general menu
and use the save the current config so you get the log in parameters the
same as the normal ones.
Hopefully that should then work assuming all the specs are the same. You
will of cours need to configure windows how you like it as well.


I do it that way as sometimes, possible copies on windows 10 misbehave if
they are the first copy you use.
I have no idea why this happens, so don't ask!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 4:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] moving configuration

OK I have NVDA all set up on my main computer just right for me. I want
the same configuration on my secondary computer. Is there a way to move
the saved configuration to another computer?
Thanks

That’s what I say. If you have a laptop. Just put a piece of papar over the screen.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: December-18-17 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen shade

 

Instead of screen shade. Get a black piece of paper and put it over your screen. And voila, nobody can see your screen at all.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I'm looking forward to listening to the new tutorial once it's completed. Thank you for doing this for us.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: production under way

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

A few weeks ago I asked on the NVDA users list if I should record an updated version of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorial series, and everyone said “yes”. Thus, I’m happy to announce that production of 2018 edition of this tutorial series is under way. Due to a completely new synthesizer to be used, coupled with use of Microsoft Edge for various web browsing examples, I’m recording most sections anew. I’m also redoing most recordings to make the sound quality consistent throughout the tutorial set, as the 2013 and 2015 editions had varying audio quality.

 

Changes in the 2018 edition (part 1 is completed and waiting to be assembled soon):

• Overall: use of Windows oneCore synthesizer. Due to popular request, each topic will be an mp3 file of its own.
• Introduction (part 1): the new checkbox that offers to start the portable copy when created is covered, along with restart with debug logging option. Due to time constraints, new command line options are not covered (they’ll be covered in an addendum).
• Basics (part 2): the newly expanded welcome dialog will be covered. Apart from that, there’s nothing new in 2018 edition.
• Objects (part 3): stays the same except for new speech synthesizer.
• Web browsing (part 4): most examples will use Firefox and Edge, with one or two requiring use of Internet Explorer. A new section on MathML reading will be covered.
• Apps (part 5): Some replacements and new apps. In Microsoft Word section, I’ll briefly demonstrate braille input support.
• Configuration (parts 6 and 7): Windows 10 OCR will be mentioned but will not be covered, and a host of changes will be done thanks to new and revised options in NVDA.
• Tools (part 8): Windows 10 OCR will be covered last.
• Add-ons (part 9): instead of OCR add-on, Golden Cursor will be covered. Also, how to disable individual add-ons will be shown.
• Possible addenda: command-line switches, NVDA on Windows 10 on ARM.

 

For the most part, content should be identical to the 2015 edition. The current edition of the tutorial set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

I'm concerned how many things you all do on your computers, that you don't want any buddy to look at.

How many hours in a day do you write this kind of personal data which is something you want to hide?

I think looking at porn is real high usage because they can see the screen, it stops no one from using these acts.

With sound a porn sight with audio would require head phones don't you think?

I love the audio ducking in NVDA, because you can accomplish so much while using the computer and then when it's just stream the sound is at the sound you want.

Marry Christmas and a happy new year.

 

I worked at a company where co - workers who are sighted and didn't work directly in my group, but because I kept my screen off, and wore head phones they didn't think I was working.

But I didn't let the matter go, if my eyes are getting bothered from the light on the monitor it was a great move.In stead of waiting for someone to write code to prevent this matter.

 

Hope not all of us have to continuously write letters which no one else should write.

good night!

 

 

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen shade

Ok about the screen shade. Why do blind people need a screen shade? And why do sighted people they don’t need a screen shade? So why is it good for blind to have screen shade but not sighted? Oh and if I were a sighted person and you had a screen shade on, I would just pick up my smart phone and do some research and could figure out how to turn it off anyway. And what if the keyboard command for turning it on and off were spread on facebook and twitter? Now anybody can just come by your computer ;and turn the screen shade off. Or  someone could just hack the computer and use it screen shade or no shade, without even caring screen shade is on or off. Don’t know why you want screen shade, but if it is for privacy? Forget it. If I had a blind son and I were a sighted parent and caught my blind son having a screen shade, I would suspect he’s doing or reading stuff he should not. Guess what? I take the computer or phone away from him for a week or so. He gets punished for using screen shade.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Ok about the screen shade. Why do blind people need a screen shade? And why do sighted people they don’t need a screen shade? So why is it good for blind to have screen shade but not sighted? Oh and if I were a sighted person and you had a screen shade on, I would just pick up my smart phone and do some research and could figure out how to turn it off anyway. And what if the keyboard command for turning it on and off were spread on facebook and twitter? Now anybody can just come by your computer ;and turn the screen shade off. Or  someone could just hack the computer and use it screen shade or no shade, without even caring screen shade is on or off. Don’t know why you want screen shade, but if it is for privacy? Forget it. If I had a blind son and I were a sighted parent and caught my blind son having a screen shade, I would suspect he’s doing or reading stuff he should not. Guess what? I take the computer or phone away from him for a week or so. He gets punished for using screen shade.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Hi, Joseph,

I'm looking forward to listening to the new tutorial once it's completed. Thank you for doing this for us.

Rosemarie

Dear NVDA community,

A few weeks ago I asked on the NVDA users list if I should record an updated version of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorial series, and everyone said “yes”. Thus, I’m happy to announce that production of 2018 edition of this tutorial series is under way. Due to a completely new synthesizer to be used, coupled with use of Microsoft Edge for various web browsing examples, I’m recording most sections anew. I’m also redoing most recordings to make the sound quality consistent throughout the tutorial set, as the 2013 and 2015 editions had varying audio quality.

Changes in the 2018 edition (part 1 is completed and waiting to be assembled soon):

• Overall: use of Windows oneCore synthesizer. Due to popular request, each topic will be an mp3 file of its own.
• Introduction (part 1): the new checkbox that offers to start the portable copy when created is covered, along with restart with debug logging option. Due to time constraints, new command line options are not covered (they’ll be covered in an addendum).
• Basics (part 2): the newly expanded welcome dialog will be covered. Apart from that, there’s nothing new in 2018 edition.
• Objects (part 3): stays the same except for new speech synthesizer.
• Web browsing (part 4): most examples will use Firefox and Edge, with one or two requiring use of Internet Explorer. A new section on MathML reading will be covered.
• Apps (part 5): Some replacements and new apps. In Microsoft Word section, I’ll briefly demonstrate braille input support.
• Configuration (parts 6 and 7): Windows 10 OCR will be mentioned but will not be covered, and a host of changes will be done thanks to new and revised options in NVDA.
• Tools (part 8): Windows 10 OCR will be covered last.
• Add-ons (part 9): instead of OCR add-on, Golden Cursor will be covered. Also, how to disable individual add-ons will be shown.
• Possible addenda: command-line switches, NVDA on Windows 10 on ARM.

For the most part, content should be identical to the 2015 edition. The current edition of the tutorial set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

Jean in New Zealand and the group in general,

This is the strangest thing I have seen in email. Using Outlook 2016/365, Windows 10 and Newest NVDA, every time I try to open a message from Jean, outlook goes belly up. Sometimes it will do a self-restart, other times I have to start it. Now it could be that Jean’s messages are simply upside down given where they are originating. I have tried turning my monitor and my tower upside down to accommodate, but no luck! Seriously, the event is real, and I don’t get any sort of warning or error message. Has anyone out there seen this? If so, please let me know if you found a fix.

Apologies Jean and thanks anyone,

Rick

I agree with you.

I have not seen a sighted person use a device with the screen off on any device.

You ask any sighted person to use the computer with say sound and only the screen reader and the screen turned off and they are lost.

I my self would not even do any type of banking or sensitive stuff on a public computer just because of security I would want to hope it was really locked down.
And that would be even with a blacked out screen.
I would still not go there on public terminal.
 
Been in a home situation I would not have a need for it who is going to look my wife? or may be people just do not want people to know they could be looking at one of those .aughty websites.

  At home off goes the button on the monitor and then the wife if she wants it just turns it on.


Gene nz

Good idea!

I have to wonder what people are writing on their computers in what I assume is a public area that they do not want others to see. If someone has full vision, one would assume that they have their screen turned on so they can both read and write. If so, then it is likely that they will not be writing highly sensitive things that others might see as they walk by. Sorry if this seems insensitive, but. . .

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen shade

 

Instead of screen shade. Get a black piece of paper and put it over your screen. And voila, nobody can see your screen at all.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10