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Re: I'm dissappointed

Sky Mundell
 

I totally agree with you. Lets all promote the use of this terrific product!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

 

Hi all. FYI the Webame survey 7 results out out. It’s a mixed bag. I’m dissappoited in NVDA useage. Its at 31.9 percent and that other screen reader I won’t talk about anymore is at 46 percent. All I’ll say is this. Spread the word about NVDA. I know a lot of you have adopted the use of it over the past year now that WINEyes is dead. Also if you can send NV Access a donation.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Vocalizer expressive

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Cool. Maybe that's the one I ought to shell out for, then.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: December 22, 2017 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive

Kate is available in the addon from CodeFactory.
Eloquence isn't very good in that addon, but the CodeFactory Vocalizer works
great in my experience.


I'm dissappointed

Lino Morales
 

Hi all. FYI the Webame survey 7 results out out. It’s a mixed bag. I’m dissappoited in NVDA useage. Its at 31.9 percent and that other screen reader I won’t talk about anymore is at 46 percent. All I’ll say is this. Spread the word about NVDA. I know a lot of you have adopted the use of it over the past year now that WINEyes is dead. Also if you can send NV Access a donation.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: competition

Lino Morales
 

What does this have to do with screen readers in general?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

Well we can't just blame fs, look at the apple vs samsung battles big

companies sue eachother.

 

The fact everyone let fs walk over them is unknown.

 

And no one cares really.

 

 

 

 

On 22/12/2017 11:41 a.m., Don H wrote:

> FS generated a lawsuit  against GW Micro for having the placemarker

> function in Window Eyes.  After a lot of time and money a Judge threw

> the suit out.

>

> .

 

 

 

 


Re: competition

Lino Morales
 

I know one of the big bruhahas they had was over the name Freedom Box. They had to stick with System Access. Retarded if you ask me.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

On what grounds did FS (threaten to) sue these companies?

 

 

Antony.

 

On Thursday 21 December 2017 at 22:56:26, Sky Mundell wrote:

 

> You hit the nail on the head Erik. That certainly what did happen.

> Competition in the early days of the windows screen reading market was

> supposed to put prices down and put functionality up. Instead, FS sued any

> agencies who did not purchase JAWS and threatened them to either buy JAWS

> or be sued. These agencies should have argued that client choice was more

> important But back then they weren’t allowing client choice either. And,

> as for the sniping of AT companies, that is what happened. Remember that

> lawsuit that FS filed against Serotek, and GW Micro? I think this was in

> response to agencies starting to buy alternative screen readers for their

> clients that this lawsuit happened. These lawsuits were totally

> unnecessary and they should have dented fs’s reputation.

>

> erik burggraaf Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:09 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

>

> Competition makes a lot of products better.  I've never seen any evidence

> that this applies to screen readers though.

>

> Windows is the only OS without built in access.  Narrater is less and less

> useless all the time, but it's not up to the quality of what's built in to

> any other OS on the market.

>

> Windows is the only system with a multi-screenreader approach.  Lots of

> people tried to capitalize on android access, but the built in features

> are good enough to put paid and even free competitors out of business.

>

> Competition never brought the prices down or the functionality up.  Users

> certainly didn't benefit from the legal snyping of the big AT companies or

> the antitrust of microsoft building in it's own screen reader.  Oddly

> enough, the same people who lobbied against microsoft building it's own

> screen reader also lobbie governments for exclusivity agreements to sell

> only one of the so called competing products.  What do we call that when

> microsoft tries it?  Antitrust.  Huh...  How do users benefit from the

> exclusivity agreements?

>

> NVDA development isn't driven by competition with other screen readers.

> It's driven by the community through donations of code and money and other

> talents derived from the community.

>

> Even when there were many products competing in the market, I didn't see

> any evidence that the competition improved the over all performance,

> stability, feature sets or monitary value of screen reader products in

> general.

>

> Now that the actual number of windows screen readers is shrinking, and the

> number of viably accessible OS is growing, and the business models of

> windows screen readers are so dramatically different, I believe pmarket

> competition is even less important than it was five or ten yearss ago.  I

> mean, what's the value of an exclusivity agreement to sell only one

> product when the next best competitor can be downloaded for free by any

> one with a computer?

>

> Best,

>

> Erik

>

> On December 20, 2017 12:45:24 AM "Sarah k Alawami" wrote:

>

> I'm actually up for  competition. It will make each product better and

> better as time goes by.. I didn't want to use nvda in 2006 or 2007  when

> it came out as jaws at the time was the best. Now I won't touch jaws with

> a 10 foot pole. I tried to make my work switch but their excuse was that

> nvda was not meant for the word place and they would not consider it.

 

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will crash and it will be all over."

 

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Re: Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interferingwith my settings?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi.

 

I’m considering purchasing a synth add-on for nVDA. Thing is, those pauses are supposed to be removable via the editing of an .ini file, and, indeed, they are. I guess this is not a big deal to some people, but I personally feel affronted that Microsoft apparently does not trust that users who make modifications to their systems – really want those modifications to stay in place.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: December 21, 2017 4:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interferingwith my settings?

 

Well I suggest you write to MS via the Feedback Hub app in WIN 10. The pauses don’t bother me much. Maybe you should purchase the ETI Eloquence add-on. Merry Christmas John boy.

 

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From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 3:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interferingwith my settings?

 

Hi everyone.

 

So I’ve heard all the arguments and I’m not here to bitch about Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed. Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators’ update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone’s curious). Cortana reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I’m going to go back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don’t want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with nowadays?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

JM

 

 


Re: Vocalizer expressive

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Kate is available in the addon from CodeFactory.
Eloquence isn't very good in that addon, but the CodeFactory Vocalizer works great in my experience.


Re: Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yeah…it’s such a pain, and seems blatantly to disregard the user/customer’s wishes.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: December 21, 2017 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?

 

I have the same complaint.  It appears that Windows is going into your programs and rewriting the ini files for some of them.  This is the only way this can happen.  It messes with my sound settings every time there's a major version update!

Roger







On 12/21/2017 2:54 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hi everyone.

 

So I’ve heard all the arguments and I’m not here to bitch about Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed. Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators’ update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone’s curious). Cortana reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I’m going to go back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don’t want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with nowadays?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

JM

 

 


Re: Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yes. I guess making backups of every file I change is sensible practice. Not
even necessarily so I can fix something I break myself by accident, but so
it's easier to set right what MS puts wrong. What a world. Haha

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: December 21, 2017 9:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from
interfering with my settings?

Well in the case of modified files you can always put them to another
location as backup.

As for settings its probably easy if there are generic settings to change
things back but yeah  thats every feature update.

Windows also happily creates recovery partitions for everything and doesn't
clear the others and without a clear way to clear things safely via a gui
which could be free I am not sure if it is, I guess every few upgradess I
will reformat and all the problems will go away but thats ms for you.




On 22/12/2017 9:54 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.



So I've heard all the arguments and I'm not here to bitch about
Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very
annoyed.
Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are
getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples
would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between
Anniversary and Creators'
update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device
with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone's curious). Cortana
reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable
it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed
at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and
after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on
this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in
the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go
again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two
seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I'm going to go
back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before
Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don't
want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and
effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from
happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with
nowadays?



Thanks in advance for any help.



JM




Re: Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

It's ok. I understand your passion about the topic. At least, I am really
beginning to. I used an XP machine until early this year, believe it or not
-- but we got on Windows 10 at work. The administrators were very good about
regulating updates and keeping things running, but still sometimes stuff got
broken. And now, on my home machine, it's getting personal, you know?

And that's really pretty awful that MS decides they can just go and break
drivers, software, etc. Even if we're smart enough to figure out exactly
what happens, as you say, sometimes it takes half a day to fix this crap.

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Sent: December 22, 2017 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from
interfering with my settings?

Yes indeed I saw the same thing on my lode Windows 10 machine. Worse, as you
say legacy software gets removed and you have to reinstall it.

I was pretty annoyed as the patched copy of Outlook Express I have works
very well on 7 and did on 10 also, but every time a major update came along
it orphaned off the software, amongst other old stuff like drivers and one
had to spend half a day trying to fix it all again. There really is not
reason for it, ie if they are worried that something may not work, then just
warn us that this might occur, and we can take pot luck.

Sorry I feel very passionate about this continual adding of new features at
the expense of familiar working ones.
Its a bit like new lamps for old in the old Aladdin fairy tale. No I want
my old trusty lamp as it had known quirks, but not the new quirks on the new
program.

If I had 10 pounds for everyone who has had issues with the Windows 10 Email
client not working after an update, at least with a screenreader, I'd have
had enough to have a nice cruise by now.
Bah humbug!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering
with my settings?


Hi everyone.



So I've heard all the arguments and I'm not here to bitch about
Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very
annoyed.
Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are
getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples
would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between
Anniversary and Creators'
update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device
with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone's curious). Cortana
reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable
it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed
at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and
after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on
this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in
the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go
again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two
seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I'm going to go
back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before
Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don't
want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and
effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from
happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live
with nowadays?



Thanks in advance for any help.



JM




Re: Vocalizer expressive

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey Chris.

I think, especially with Vocalizer, this is more than anything down to
personal preference. There are differences in intonation, even
pronunciation. My favourite is Daniel. If I want a female type voice, I will
use kate (though is she available in any of the NVDA add-ons?). But the only
way to know is to try for yourself. I find the Daniel voice to be very
pleasant to listen to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: December 22, 2017 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive

Hi,
Out of the two synthesizars, and three different British male voices
available for NVDA. Which voices between Malcolm, Daniel, and Oliver is the
most expressive when reading.
Thanks
Chris


Re: Addon to solve Captcha?

abdul muhamin
 

Hi, its nice that the addon of solving captcha is available, if someone will translate it in to English, it will be highly appriciated

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

From: 特種兵
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon to solve Captcha?

 


  anyone who tell me this addon how to use?
  or translate readme.md to English.



thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Александр Епанешников 2017/12/18 下午 06:50 寫道:

https://github.com/kvark128/captchaSolver
but it's in russian 

 

 


Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Which further enhancements in automatic language switch do you want?

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Às 16:39 de 22/12/2017, Supanut Leepaisomboon escreveu:

Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer worked quite well actually, but one historic complain that I have is that for certain languages (especially Asian languages like Thai) the synth won't read certain characters when typing.
Just like everyone else, I'm still waiting for the promised update; I think the one thing that Tiflotecnia's version has that the Codefactory version doesn't is the compact voices bundle.
If the update is taking this long, the update better include the 2.2 version of Vocalizer Expressive, along with lots of bug fixes and further enhancements to automatic language switching.


Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

 

Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer worked quite well actually, but one historic complain that I have is that for certain languages (especially Asian languages like Thai) the synth won't read certain characters when typing.
Just like everyone else, I'm still waiting for the promised update; I think the one thing that Tiflotecnia's version has that the Codefactory version doesn't is the compact voices bundle.
If the update is taking this long, the update better include the 2.2 version of Vocalizer Expressive, along with lots of bug fixes and further enhancements to automatic language switching.


Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Rui Fontes
 

Hello Nimer!

You wrote:
This add-on and these voices were promised two years ago.

Sorry, but your notion of time is a little wrong...
We just start the earlier tests in August of 2016...


You wrote:
Surely last year the product could have been released ...

Maybe, but we have several problems and was not possible...


You wrote:
... Or did you know about all the changes that were coming for 2018.1

Of course not! On that time, I believe no one knew when it will be possible to change to Python 3.0, WXCom 4.0 and so on...
But, if we are now finishing the driver addon it is mandatory that it will be compatible with all the changes, right?


You wrote:
I am sorry if I am harsh about this issue, but this is a product that users pay much money for.

Right, but no one, in the time of purchase, promissed updates... And the product is working allright with the last version of Windows and last version of NVDA, right?


You wrote:
The licensing scheme where users don't have a way of getting licenses without contacting the company bothers me.

Sorry, but you can disable a activation through NVDA/Vocalizer Expressive menu...
If it will be impossible to do that, logically you have to contact the supplier, as in all products, as far as I know... What product lets you increase the activations counter without disabling a activation?


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Vocalizer expressive

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
Out of the two synthesizars, and three different British male voices available for NVDA. Which voices between Malcolm, Daniel, and Oliver is the most expressive when reading.
Thanks
Chris


Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?

Gerardo Corripio
 

OH no. This is definitely not hacked at all. Kurzweil1000 makes it available outside of for use on Windows. Not that I'd use Eloquence since I've gotten so used to Vocalizer since it continues to evolve, but nevertheless it's just a curiosity I have since I discovered some time ago that this Eloquence works too on NVDA.

El 22/12/2017 a las 08:41 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
It depends on the licence really. If they have made it a global synth then you are quite free to use it, but hacking a driver to use a restricted copy, say from Dolphin or other maker is probably not legal.
The problem I've had with Sapi 4 in general is that being an older design, often strange things happen on later versions of windows, like character level speech can sometimes not work correctly and language switching may be no good.
I have an old copy of IBM Home page reader, which cannot run on modern windows but the synth itself is globally enabled and will.
I don't particularly like eloquence clones, but it does work.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?


I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.

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Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It depends on the licence really. If they have made it a global synth then you are quite free to use it, but hacking a driver to use a restricted copy, say from Dolphin or other maker is probably not legal.
The problem I've had with Sapi 4 in general is that being an older design, often strange things happen on later versions of windows, like character level speech can sometimes not work correctly and language switching may be no good.
I have an old copy of IBM Home page reader, which cannot run on modern windows but the synth itself is globally enabled and will.
I don't particularly like eloquence clones, but it does work.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?


I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.

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Re: I hear the word payne

Payal Kapoor
 

thanks. i am reassured it is not a problem at my end. will just leave it be.

On 12/22/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
NVDA says unknown when it sees some sort of text that it doesn't know how to
convert into speech. I don't know if it does for images. Just ignore it.
Something is being displayed that NVDA doesn't know how to render. I see
NVDA say unknown fairly often and then, things work as they should because
the unknown material is replaced by known material.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Payal Kapoor
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne


although i don't have trouble with the word pane, i usually hear
unknown every time i close a page or programme. also when i close
everything down before i shut down, unknown
is announced. there is no other dialogue box there either. any idea
why this might be so?
i have recently made the switch from JAWS to NVDA and this confuses me.
thanks for any help.
Payal

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I think it when nvda has no other data from the page. The pane seems to
be
what is said by default when web browsers have a blank page.
I hear it when firefox boots up for the first time as well.

Is your machine particularly slow?

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] I hear the word payne


Hi All,

for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne
spoken several times. It also happens in ie. I am using the latest
windows

10 and nvda. Has anyone else had this happen to them? If so, is there a
fix for it? Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net






Re: I hear the word payne

Gene
 

NVDA says unknown when it sees some sort of text that it doesn't know how to convert into speech.  I don't know if it does for images.  Just ignore it.  Something is being displayed that NVDA doesn't know how to render.  I see NVDA say unknown fairly often and then, things work as they should because the unknown material is replaced by known material. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne

although i don't have trouble with the word pane, i usually hear
unknown every time i close a page or programme. also when i close
everything down before i shut down, unknown
 is announced. there is no other dialogue box there either. any idea
why this might be so?
i have recently made the switch from JAWS to NVDA and this confuses me.
thanks for any help.
Payal

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<bglists@...> wrote:
> I think it when nvda has no other data from the page. The pane seems to be
> what is said by default when web browsers have a blank page.
>  I hear it when firefox boots up for the first time as well.
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> Is your machine particularly slow?
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>  Brian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:10 PM
> Subject: [nvda] I hear the word payne
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> Hi All,
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> for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne
> spoken several times.  It also happens in ie.  I am using the latest windows
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> 10 and nvda.  Has anyone else had this happen to them?  If so, is there a
> fix for it?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
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