Re: Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Yeah…it’s such a pain, and seems blatantly to disregard the user/customer’s wishes.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: December 21, 2017 7:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?
I have the same complaint. It appears that Windows is going into your programs and rewriting the ini files for some of them. This is the only way this can happen. It messes with my sound settings every time there's a major version update!
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Re: Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Yes. I guess making backups of every file I change is sensible practice. Not
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even necessarily so I can fix something I break myself by accident, but so it's easier to set right what MS puts wrong. What a world. Haha
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: December 21, 2017 9:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings? Well in the case of modified files you can always put them to another location as backup. As for settings its probably easy if there are generic settings to change things back but yeah thats every feature update. Windows also happily creates recovery partitions for everything and doesn't clear the others and without a clear way to clear things safely via a gui which could be free I am not sure if it is, I guess every few upgradess I will reformat and all the problems will go away but thats ms for you. On 22/12/2017 9:54 a.m., JM Casey wrote: Hi everyone.annoyed. Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually areAnniversary and Creators' update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME devicenowadays?
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Re: Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
It's ok. I understand your passion about the topic. At least, I am really
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beginning to. I used an XP machine until early this year, believe it or not -- but we got on Windows 10 at work. The administrators were very good about regulating updates and keeping things running, but still sometimes stuff got broken. And now, on my home machine, it's getting personal, you know? And that's really pretty awful that MS decides they can just go and break drivers, software, etc. Even if we're smart enough to figure out exactly what happens, as you say, sometimes it takes half a day to fix this crap.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: December 22, 2017 3:38 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings? Yes indeed I saw the same thing on my lode Windows 10 machine. Worse, as you say legacy software gets removed and you have to reinstall it. I was pretty annoyed as the patched copy of Outlook Express I have works very well on 7 and did on 10 also, but every time a major update came along it orphaned off the software, amongst other old stuff like drivers and one had to spend half a day trying to fix it all again. There really is not reason for it, ie if they are worried that something may not work, then just warn us that this might occur, and we can take pot luck. Sorry I feel very passionate about this continual adding of new features at the expense of familiar working ones. Its a bit like new lamps for old in the old Aladdin fairy tale. No I want my old trusty lamp as it had known quirks, but not the new quirks on the new program. If I had 10 pounds for everyone who has had issues with the Windows 10 Email client not working after an update, at least with a screenreader, I'd have had enough to have a nice cruise by now. Bah humbug! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:54 PM Subject: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings? Hi everyone.annoyed. Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are
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Re: Vocalizer expressive
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Hey Chris.
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I think, especially with Vocalizer, this is more than anything down to personal preference. There are differences in intonation, even pronunciation. My favourite is Daniel. If I want a female type voice, I will use kate (though is she available in any of the NVDA add-ons?). But the only way to know is to try for yourself. I find the Daniel voice to be very pleasant to listen to.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Shook Sent: December 22, 2017 11:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive Hi, Out of the two synthesizars, and three different British male voices available for NVDA. Which voices between Malcolm, Daniel, and Oliver is the most expressive when reading. Thanks Chris
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Re: Addon to solve Captcha?
abdul muhamin
Hi, its nice that the addon of solving captcha is available, if someone will translate it in to English, it will be highly appriciated
regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
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Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon to solve Captcha?
thank you for much Logo Kuo from Taiwan Александр Епанешников 於 2017/12/18 下午 06:50 寫道:
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Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia
Rui Fontes
Hello!
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Which further enhancements in automatic language switch do you want? Regards, Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda. Às 16:39 de 22/12/2017, Supanut Leepaisomboon escreveu:
Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer worked quite well actually, but one historic complain that I have is that for certain languages (especially Asian languages like Thai) the synth won't read certain characters when typing.
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Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia
Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer worked quite well actually, but one historic complain that I have is that for certain languages (especially Asian languages like Thai) the synth won't read certain characters when typing.
Just like everyone else, I'm still waiting for the promised update; I think the one thing that Tiflotecnia's version has that the Codefactory version doesn't is the compact voices bundle. If the update is taking this long, the update better include the 2.2 version of Vocalizer Expressive, along with lots of bug fixes and further enhancements to automatic language switching.
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Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia
Rui Fontes
Hello Nimer!
You wrote: This add-on and these voices were promised two years ago. Sorry, but your notion of time is a little wrong... We just start the earlier tests in August of 2016... You wrote: Surely last year the product could have been released ... Maybe, but we have several problems and was not possible... You wrote: ... Or did you know about all the changes that were coming for 2018.1 Of course not! On that time, I believe no one knew when it will be possible to change to Python 3.0, WXCom 4.0 and so on... But, if we are now finishing the driver addon it is mandatory that it will be compatible with all the changes, right? You wrote: I am sorry if I am harsh about this issue, but this is a product that users pay much money for. Right, but no one, in the time of purchase, promissed updates... And the product is working allright with the last version of Windows and last version of NVDA, right? You wrote: The licensing scheme where users don't have a way of getting licenses without contacting the company bothers me. Sorry, but you can disable a activation through NVDA/Vocalizer Expressive menu... If it will be impossible to do that, logically you have to contact the supplier, as in all products, as far as I know... What product lets you increase the activations counter without disabling a activation? Best regards, Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda.
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Vocalizer expressive
Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
Hi,
Out of the two synthesizars, and three different British male voices available for NVDA. Which voices between Malcolm, Daniel, and Oliver is the most expressive when reading. Thanks Chris
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Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?
Gerardo Corripio
OH no. This is definitely not hacked at all. Kurzweil1000 makes it available outside of for use on Windows. Not that I'd use Eloquence since I've gotten so used to Vocalizer since it continues to evolve, but nevertheless it's just a curiosity I have since I discovered some time ago that this Eloquence works too on NVDA.
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El 22/12/2017 a las 08:41 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
It depends on the licence really. If they have made it a global synth then you are quite free to use it, but hacking a driver to use a restricted copy, say from Dolphin or other maker is probably not legal. --
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Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
It depends on the licence really. If they have made it a global synth then you are quite free to use it, but hacking a driver to use a restricted copy, say from Dolphin or other maker is probably not legal.
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The problem I've had with Sapi 4 in general is that being an older design, often strange things happen on later versions of windows, like character level speech can sometimes not work correctly and language switching may be no good. I have an old copy of IBM Home page reader, which cannot run on modern windows but the synth itself is globally enabled and will. I don't particularly like eloquence clones, but it does work. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:40 AM Subject: [nvda] Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000? I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.
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Re: I hear the word payne
Payal Kapoor
thanks. i am reassured it is not a problem at my end. will just leave it be.
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On 12/22/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
NVDA says unknown when it sees some sort of text that it doesn't know how to
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Re: I hear the word payne
Gene
NVDA says unknown when it sees some sort of text
that it doesn't know how to convert into speech. I don't know if it does
for images. Just ignore it. Something is being displayed that NVDA
doesn't know how to render. I see NVDA say unknown fairly often and then,
things work as they should because the unknown material is replaced by known
material.
Gene
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From: Payal Kapoor
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne unknown every time i close a page or programme. also when i close everything down before i shut down, unknown is announced. there is no other dialogue box there either. any idea why this might be so? i have recently made the switch from JAWS to NVDA and this confuses me. thanks for any help. Payal On 12/22/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: > I think it when nvda has no other data from the page. The pane seems to be > what is said by default when web browsers have a blank page. > I hear it when firefox boots up for the first time as well. > > Is your machine particularly slow? > > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal email to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:10 PM > Subject: [nvda] I hear the word payne > > > Hi All, > > for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne > spoken several times. It also happens in ie. I am using the latest windows > > 10 and nvda. Has anyone else had this happen to them? If so, is there a > fix for it? Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox > sendto: gmtravel@... > > > > >
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Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?
Gene
Some newer members may not know that I am the
moderator. My view is that if Kurzweil wanted people not to use that
option, they would restrict use of the synthesizer so it couldn't be used in
that way. They've had over a decade to do so and they haven't.
Therefore, I have no objection to discussing that option. If the list owner disagrees, he will let us know.
Gene
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From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 5:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence but that comes packaged with
k1000? either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA. -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird
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Re: I hear the word payne
Payal Kapoor
although i don't have trouble with the word pane, i usually hear
unknown every time i close a page or programme. also when i close everything down before i shut down, unknown is announced. there is no other dialogue box there either. any idea why this might be so? i have recently made the switch from JAWS to NVDA and this confuses me. thanks for any help. Payal On 12/22/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: I think it when nvda has no other data from the page. The pane seems to be
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Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?
Gerardo Corripio
Yes that's the reason I asked because I I don't know if it's meant for use with only kurzweil, or why is it available from outside of, as Sapi? Not that I'd use it, because since I've gotten so used to Vocalizer on my phone, I've gotten very used to in consequence, to Vocalizer here on NVDA; but I?m just wondering in case someone who's got kurzweil1000 on their system and hasn't noticed it.
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El 22/12/2017 a las 06:30 a.m., Rui Fontes escribió:
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Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?
Rui Fontes
My opinion is:
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If you go strictly by the rules, you can not use, since that version is only to be used with K1000... In a not so strictly point of view, if is SAPI4 and is legally installed on your system, you can use it with any other software... Regards, Rui Fontes Às 11:40 de 22/12/2017, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:
I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.
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Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?
Gerardo Corripio
I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.
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Re: I hear the word payne
Gary Metzler
Hi Gene,
Thank you for the instructions. It worked like a champ.
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne First, when you use the dictionary, if you have any
doubt, always check the spelling. The spelling is p a n e, no letter
y.
Open the dictionary in the
following manner:
Open the NVDA menu, NVDA key
n.
Down arrow to preferences and
press enter.
You are now in a
submenu.
Up arrow to speech dictionaries
and press enter.
You will be on default
dictionary. Press enter again.
Tab once to the add
button.
Press the space bar on the
button.
You are now in an edit field
where you type the word.
Than tab once to the pronounced
as field and press space once. Putting a space in the pronounced as field
makes NVDA not say anything when the word is encountered.
Then tab many times to the ok
button and activate it.
There is another ok
button. Tab to it and activate it.
Now you should no longer hear
pane.
You don't come across the word
often but remember that if you do, you won't hear it so you'll have to either
check the word by looking at the spelling if you come across it, or just
mentally insert the word if it is the correct word by context.
Gene
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From: Gary
Metzler
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne Hi Gene,
I would appreciate help with putting the entry into the right
dictionary. Thanks,
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne You could probably stop the problem by putting the
word pane in the pronunciation dictionary and have NVDA not speak it. If
you don't know how, ask here.
Gene
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From: Gary
Metzler
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne Hi Gene,
In ie it only happens when I open it. As for wlm I am using
html. Thanks for any help.
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne how often does this happen when you use Internet
Explorer. Does it happen every time you open a web page? As far as
Windows Live Mail is concerned, are you reading mail as HTML or as plain
text?
Gene
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Hi All,
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Re: I hear the word payne
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I think it when nvda has no other data from the page. The pane seems to be what is said by default when web browsers have a blank page.
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I hear it when firefox boots up for the first time as well. Is your machine particularly slow? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@comcast.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:10 PM Subject: [nvda] I hear the word payne Hi All, for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne spoken several times. It also happens in ie. I am using the latest windows 10 and nvda. Has anyone else had this happen to them? If so, is there a fix for it? Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net
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