Hi all. FYI the Webame survey 7 results out out. It’s a mixed bag. I’m dissappoited in NVDA useage. Its at 31.9 percent and that other screen reader I won’t talk about anymore is at 46 percent. All I’ll say is this. Spread the word about NVDA. I know a lot of you have adopted the use of it over the past year now that WINEyes is dead. Also if you can send NV Access a donation.

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Well we can't just blame fs, look at the apple vs samsung battles big

companies sue eachother.

The fact everyone let fs walk over them is unknown.

And no one cares really.

On 22/12/2017 11:41 a.m., Don H wrote:

> FS generated a lawsuit  against GW Micro for having the placemarker

> function in Window Eyes.  After a lot of time and money a Judge threw

> the suit out.

> 

> 

>

> 

> .

> 

On what grounds did FS (threaten to) sue these companies?

Antony.

On Thursday 21 December 2017 at 22:56:26, Sky Mundell wrote:

> You hit the nail on the head Erik. That certainly what did happen.

> Competition in the early days of the windows screen reading market was

> supposed to put prices down and put functionality up. Instead, FS sued any

> agencies who did not purchase JAWS and threatened them to either buy JAWS

> or be sued. These agencies should have argued that client choice was more

> important But back then they weren’t allowing client choice either. And,

> as for the sniping of AT companies, that is what happened. Remember that

> lawsuit that FS filed against Serotek, and GW Micro? I think this was in

> response to agencies starting to buy alternative screen readers for their

> clients that this lawsuit happened. These lawsuits were totally

> unnecessary and they should have dented fs’s reputation.

>

> erik burggraaf Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:09 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

>

> Competition makes a lot of products better.  I've never seen any evidence

> that this applies to screen readers though.

>

> Windows is the only OS without built in access.  Narrater is less and less

> useless all the time, but it's not up to the quality of what's built in to

> any other OS on the market.

>

> Windows is the only system with a multi-screenreader approach.  Lots of

> people tried to capitalize on android access, but the built in features

> are good enough to put paid and even free competitors out of business.

>

> Competition never brought the prices down or the functionality up.  Users

> certainly didn't benefit from the legal snyping of the big AT companies or

> the antitrust of microsoft building in it's own screen reader.  Oddly

> enough, the same people who lobbied against microsoft building it's own

> screen reader also lobbie governments for exclusivity agreements to sell

> only one of the so called competing products.  What do we call that when

> microsoft tries it?  Antitrust.  Huh...  How do users benefit from the

> exclusivity agreements?

>

> NVDA development isn't driven by competition with other screen readers.

> It's driven by the community through donations of code and money and other

> talents derived from the community.

>

> Even when there were many products competing in the market, I didn't see

> any evidence that the competition improved the over all performance,

> stability, feature sets or monitary value of screen reader products in

> general.

>

> Now that the actual number of windows screen readers is shrinking, and the

> number of viably accessible OS is growing, and the business models of

> windows screen readers are so dramatically different, I believe pmarket

> competition is even less important than it was five or ten yearss ago.  I

> mean, what's the value of an exclusivity agreement to sell only one

> product when the next best competitor can be downloaded for free by any

> one with a computer?

>

> Best,

>

> Erik

>

> On December 20, 2017 12:45:24 AM "Sarah k Alawami" wrote:

>

> I'm actually up for  competition. It will make each product better and

> better as time goes by.. I didn't want to use nvda in 2006 or 2007  when

> it came out as jaws at the time was the best. Now I won't touch jaws with

> a 10 foot pole. I tried to make my work switch but their excuse was that

> nvda was not meant for the word place and they would not consider it.

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will crash and it will be all over."

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Well I suggest you write to MS via the Feedback Hub app in WIN 10. The pauses don’t bother me much. Maybe you should purchase the ETI Eloquence add-on. Merry Christmas John boy.

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Hi everyone.

So I’ve heard all the arguments and I’m not here to bitch about Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed. Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators’ update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone’s curious). Cortana reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I’m going to go back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don’t want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with nowadays?

Thanks in advance for any help.

JM

Hi everyone.

 

So I’ve heard all the arguments and I’m not here to bitch about Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed. Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators’ update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone’s curious). Cortana reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I’m going to go back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don’t want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with nowadays?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

JM

 

Hi everyone.



So I've heard all the arguments and I'm not here to bitch about
Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very

Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are
getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples
would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between

update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device
with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone's curious). Cortana
reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable
it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed
at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and
after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on
this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in
the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go
again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two
seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I'm going to go
back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before
Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don't
want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and
effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from
happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with

Thanks in advance for any help.



JM

Hi everyone.



So I've heard all the arguments and I'm not here to bitch about
Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very

Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are
getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples
would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between
Anniversary and Creators'
update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device
with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone's curious). Cortana
reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable
it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed
at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and
after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on
this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in
the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go
again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two
seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I'm going to go
back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before
Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don't
want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and
effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from
happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live
with nowadays?



Thanks in advance for any help.



JM

  anyone who tell me this addon how to use?
  or translate readme.md to English.

thank you for much

Logo Kuo from Taiwan

https://github.com/kvark128/captchaSolver
but it's in russian 

Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer worked quite well actually, but one historic complain that I have is that for certain languages (especially Asian languages like Thai) the synth won't read certain characters when typing.
Just like everyone else, I'm still waiting for the promised update; I think the one thing that Tiflotecnia's version has that the Codefactory version doesn't is the compact voices bundle.
If the update is taking this long, the update better include the 2.2 version of Vocalizer Expressive, along with lots of bug fixes and further enhancements to automatic language switching.

It depends on the licence really. If they have made it a global synth then you are quite free to use it, but hacking a driver to use a restricted copy, say from Dolphin or other maker is probably not legal.
The problem I've had with Sapi 4 in general is that being an older design, often strange things happen on later versions of windows, like character level speech can sometimes not work correctly and language switching may be no good.
I have an old copy of IBM Home page reader, which cannot run on modern windows but the synth itself is globally enabled and will.
I don't particularly like eloquence clones, but it does work.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?

I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.

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I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.

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NVDA says unknown when it sees some sort of text that it doesn't know how to
convert into speech. I don't know if it does for images. Just ignore it.
Something is being displayed that NVDA doesn't know how to render. I see
NVDA say unknown fairly often and then, things work as they should because
the unknown material is replaced by known material.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Payal Kapoor
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne


although i don't have trouble with the word pane, i usually hear
unknown every time i close a page or programme. also when i close
everything down before i shut down, unknown
is announced. there is no other dialogue box there either. any idea
why this might be so?
i have recently made the switch from JAWS to NVDA and this confuses me.
thanks for any help.
Payal

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I think it when nvda has no other data from the page. The pane seems to
be
what is said by default when web browsers have a blank page.
I hear it when firefox boots up for the first time as well.

Is your machine particularly slow?

Brian

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From: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@comcast.net>
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Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] I hear the word payne


Hi All,

for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne
spoken several times. It also happens in ie. I am using the latest
windows

10 and nvda. Has anyone else had this happen to them? If so, is there a
fix for it? Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
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