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Re: Nvda broken?

 

Hi,
A few things first:
* Which NVDA version are (or were) you running?
* Which Windows release are you using?
* Do you have any add-ons installed?
Sounds like NVDA has encountered a major problem when trying to load something at startup. The thing is, we need your NVDA log output to determine what's up, and one way to get it is:
1. Open Run dialog (Windows+R).
2. Type "%temp%" (without quotes and exactly as shown) and press Enter.
3. Look for a file named "nvda.log" or "nvdaold.log".
4. Open the file and copy and paste everything you see in the reply.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda broken?

Hi folks.

Every time I try to start up NVDA, I get a airer.

I've uninstalled/ reinstalled, but I still get the same thing.

Even when windows starts up, the sound plays, but nvda still gives and airer.

Narrator reads, airer nvda.exe ok.

I get nothing about checking the nvda log.


Nvda broken?

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks.

Every time I try to start up NVDA, I get a airer.

I've uninstalled/ reinstalled, but I still get the same thing.

Even when windows starts up, the sound plays, but nvda still gives and  airer.

Narrator reads, airer nvda.exe ok.

I get nothing about checking the nvda log.


Re: I'm dissappointed

Adriani Botez
 

Well, nv access cannot provide this yet. But a good language maintainers team can do it.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 21:48 schrieb Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>:

Remember that the majority of NVDA users do not speak english, so this list is useless to them...

The way each community will organize itself iwill be different, because the community is different, because the users base is different, the size of the country is different and so on...

One thing is a community in a country like Portugal, with only 10 millions of people, and other totally different will be in India with almost 100 times more population...

Regards,

Rui Fonts
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 19:36 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Hmmm how would one go about doing this.
Firstly you would need some way to handle this.
I guess if it was all done via skype it could be done but I certainly do not have time to sit round on a waiting for calls on nvda.
For mail ie email we have this list for global support and the tech lists at least in new zealand do handle nvda questions and issues if they get posted there.
There is the blind organisation I am in and they have an accessibility centre of sorts that covers all support I suspose nvda to but who knows.
Its an organisation so like all of them they want you to use jaws but who knows a lot of that has changed a lot.
On 24/12/2017 8:22 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA... by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list is support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what works one day does not always work the next day. What has been frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




.


.


Re: I'm dissappointed

Adriani Botez
 

Here you get an answer almost every 30 minutes. I don‘t see where is the problem.


Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 21:22 schrieb Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>:

I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA... by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list is support for most part.
I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a full support group.
Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not sure how we can fix this shortfall.
Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and dial support.
Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of us are not.
Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is always the best especially if the computer does not work right.
On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what works one day does not always work the next day. What has been frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?
.


Re: I'm dissappointed

Pascal Lambert
 

Ditto.
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

This would be the greatest solution.


Il 23/12/2017 20:22, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some
kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA...
by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list is
support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run
which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call
centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a
full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not
sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for
nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and
dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of
us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support
for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and
email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is
always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my
students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt
NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself
through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my
student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what
works one day does not always work the next day. What has been
frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on
the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have
very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work
with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends
beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with
support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and
it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA
but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to
brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not
make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the
future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




.



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NVDA tech Support

Pascal Lambert
 

NVDA tech support may be best provided by groups at the national level given the different needs and language barriers. A headquarter group may be used to provide support to national groups as needed. In this large group list, many questions often remain unanswered.
Season's blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Hmmm how would one go about doing this.

Firstly you would need some way to handle this.

I guess if it was all done via skype it could be done but I certainly do not have time to sit round on a waiting for calls on nvda.

For mail ie email we have this list for global support and the tech lists at least in new zealand do handle nvda questions and issues if they get posted there.

There is the blind organisation I am in and they have an accessibility centre of sorts that covers all support I suspose nvda to but who knows.

Its an organisation so like all of them they want you to use jaws but who knows a lot of that has changed a lot.




On 24/12/2017 8:22 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some
kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA...
by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list is
support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run
which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call
centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a
full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not
sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for
nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and
dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of
us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support
for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and
email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is
always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my
students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt
NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself
through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my
student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what
works one day does not always work the next day. What has been
frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on
the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have
very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work
with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends
beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with
support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and
it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA
but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to
brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not
make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the
future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




.


.


Re: I'm dissappointed

Adriani Botez
 

In er to work productively with a screen reader you need to know stories from different users. There are users out there who found workarounds for different tasks. Some workarounds are so specific thate even developers of screen readers did not know them when developing it. Thus, it is very important that the user participates on a maillist like this and talks about his or her experience. Every experience is different and much valuable than every tutorial...

Best
Adriani
ord

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 17:43 schrieb susan@...:

I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what works one day does not always work the next day. What has been frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?


Re: Golden Cursor 2.0: Christmas snapshot, backwards incompatible file format, add-on settings, release date

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Joseph



Thanks for that.


Gene nz



On 12/24/2017 9:22 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

That’ll be done very soon (in the next snapshot).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor 2.0: Christmas snapshot, backwards incompatible file format, add-on settings, release date

 

Hi Joseph

 

In the directions of how to use golden cursor coulod you please fix up the commands for bringing up and saving hot spots. the commands when i checked a week ago were still the wrong way around.

 

all the rest are correct if i remember right or has this been done already?  I know when i checked aweek ago they were wrong.

 

The ones that were wrong i just had to remember they were around the wrong way.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 12/24/2017 9:01 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear NVDA community,

 

First, Merry Christmas (for those of us celebrating it).

 

Few important announcements regarding Golden Cursor version 2.0:

 

  • Development snapshot: The Christmas snapshot is now available. If you want to test this snapshot, go to addons.nvda-project.org, select Golden Cursor and go to development version link. Once you install this snapshot, you CANNOT go back to version 1.4 or earlier snapshots.
  • Backwards incompatible: version 2.0 introduces a new way to store mouse hotspots. The new file format is similar in appearance to .ini files and can be opened as such. Internally, Golden Cursor will use ConfigObj to open mouse hotspot (.gc) files. Also, due to this change, .gc file location has changed, and as part of upgrading to 2.0, old file format will be converted to the new format.
  • Brand-new add-on settings dialog: after installing today’s snapshot, you’ll notice a new item named “Golden Cursor” in NVDA’s Preferences menu. The new dialog will house settings for Golden Cursor add-on. At the moment it contains a checkbox to announce new mouse coordinates as you move the mouse with the keyboard, and a numeric edit field to adjust mouse movement units. The add-on settings are also ready for configuration profiles so you can use custom mouse movement units for different applications and/or situations. This also means add-on settings you set will be remembered across NVDA runs (technical: a new section named “goldenCursor” will be added to config.conf database).
  • Custom mouse movement units: you can now adjust mouse movement units between 1 and 100 pixels. For backward compatibility, when you press Windows+NVDA+C to change movement units, you can change between previous six values (1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 pixels). The new preferred way to change movement units is via the new add-on settings dialog.
  • Mouse coordinate announcement toggle: instead of saying “say pixel on/off” and playing a tone, NVDA will now say, “report new mouse coordinate on/off” and will no longer play a confirmation tone to align with other toggle commands in NVDA and other add-ons.
  • Future developments: one thing I would like to do before releasing 2.0 is change how you enter mouse coordinates when jumping to a hotspot. Instead of a single edit field, you’ll see two numeric fields so you can enter x and y coordinates separately. I haven’t forgotten about touchscreen plans.
  • 2.0 release date: if everything goes as planned, Golden Cursor 2.0 will hit the air around New Year’s Day or shortly after (for add-ons community, I’d like to request a review of this add-on, the usual one please).
  • For developers or the curious: add-on internals article for Golden Cursor is now available: https://github.com/nvdaaddons/devguide/wiki/gcaddoninternals

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: I'm dissappointed

Adriani Botez
 

This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than jaws.



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails. 
 
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
 
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did, as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Hi

I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what eventually brought me back to using windows again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Don H <lmddh50@...>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA is open
source thus in their minds less secure.





Re: Golden Cursor 2.0: Christmas snapshot, backwards incompatible file format, add-on settings, release date

 

Hi,

That’ll be done very soon (in the next snapshot).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor 2.0: Christmas snapshot, backwards incompatible file format, add-on settings, release date

 

Hi Joseph

 

In the directions of how to use golden cursor coulod you please fix up the commands for bringing up and saving hot spots. the commands when i checked a week ago were still the wrong way around.

 

all the rest are correct if i remember right or has this been done already?  I know when i checked aweek ago they were wrong.

 

The ones that were wrong i just had to remember they were around the wrong way.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 12/24/2017 9:01 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear NVDA community,

 

First, Merry Christmas (for those of us celebrating it).

 

Few important announcements regarding Golden Cursor version 2.0:

 

  • Development snapshot: The Christmas snapshot is now available. If you want to test this snapshot, go to addons.nvda-project.org, select Golden Cursor and go to development version link. Once you install this snapshot, you CANNOT go back to version 1.4 or earlier snapshots.
  • Backwards incompatible: version 2.0 introduces a new way to store mouse hotspots. The new file format is similar in appearance to .ini files and can be opened as such. Internally, Golden Cursor will use ConfigObj to open mouse hotspot (.gc) files. Also, due to this change, .gc file location has changed, and as part of upgrading to 2.0, old file format will be converted to the new format.
  • Brand-new add-on settings dialog: after installing today’s snapshot, you’ll notice a new item named “Golden Cursor” in NVDA’s Preferences menu. The new dialog will house settings for Golden Cursor add-on. At the moment it contains a checkbox to announce new mouse coordinates as you move the mouse with the keyboard, and a numeric edit field to adjust mouse movement units. The add-on settings are also ready for configuration profiles so you can use custom mouse movement units for different applications and/or situations. This also means add-on settings you set will be remembered across NVDA runs (technical: a new section named “goldenCursor” will be added to config.conf database).
  • Custom mouse movement units: you can now adjust mouse movement units between 1 and 100 pixels. For backward compatibility, when you press Windows+NVDA+C to change movement units, you can change between previous six values (1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 pixels). The new preferred way to change movement units is via the new add-on settings dialog.
  • Mouse coordinate announcement toggle: instead of saying “say pixel on/off” and playing a tone, NVDA will now say, “report new mouse coordinate on/off” and will no longer play a confirmation tone to align with other toggle commands in NVDA and other add-ons.
  • Future developments: one thing I would like to do before releasing 2.0 is change how you enter mouse coordinates when jumping to a hotspot. Instead of a single edit field, you’ll see two numeric fields so you can enter x and y coordinates separately. I haven’t forgotten about touchscreen plans.
  • 2.0 release date: if everything goes as planned, Golden Cursor 2.0 will hit the air around New Year’s Day or shortly after (for add-ons community, I’d like to request a review of this add-on, the usual one please).
  • For developers or the curious: add-on internals article for Golden Cursor is now available: https://github.com/nvdaaddons/devguide/wiki/gcaddoninternals

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Golden Cursor 2.0: Christmas snapshot, backwards incompatible file format, add-on settings, release date

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Joseph


In the directions of how to use golden cursor coulod you please fix up the commands for bringing up and saving hot spots. the commands when i checked a week ago were still the wrong way around.


all the rest are correct if i remember right or has this been done already?  I know when i checked aweek ago they were wrong.


The ones that were wrong i just had to remember they were around the wrong way.


Gene nz

 


On 12/24/2017 9:01 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear NVDA community,

 

First, Merry Christmas (for those of us celebrating it).

 

Few important announcements regarding Golden Cursor version 2.0:

 

  • Development snapshot: The Christmas snapshot is now available. If you want to test this snapshot, go to addons.nvda-project.org, select Golden Cursor and go to development version link. Once you install this snapshot, you CANNOT go back to version 1.4 or earlier snapshots.
  • Backwards incompatible: version 2.0 introduces a new way to store mouse hotspots. The new file format is similar in appearance to .ini files and can be opened as such. Internally, Golden Cursor will use ConfigObj to open mouse hotspot (.gc) files. Also, due to this change, .gc file location has changed, and as part of upgrading to 2.0, old file format will be converted to the new format.
  • Brand-new add-on settings dialog: after installing today’s snapshot, you’ll notice a new item named “Golden Cursor” in NVDA’s Preferences menu. The new dialog will house settings for Golden Cursor add-on. At the moment it contains a checkbox to announce new mouse coordinates as you move the mouse with the keyboard, and a numeric edit field to adjust mouse movement units. The add-on settings are also ready for configuration profiles so you can use custom mouse movement units for different applications and/or situations. This also means add-on settings you set will be remembered across NVDA runs (technical: a new section named “goldenCursor” will be added to config.conf database).
  • Custom mouse movement units: you can now adjust mouse movement units between 1 and 100 pixels. For backward compatibility, when you press Windows+NVDA+C to change movement units, you can change between previous six values (1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 pixels). The new preferred way to change movement units is via the new add-on settings dialog.
  • Mouse coordinate announcement toggle: instead of saying “say pixel on/off” and playing a tone, NVDA will now say, “report new mouse coordinate on/off” and will no longer play a confirmation tone to align with other toggle commands in NVDA and other add-ons.
  • Future developments: one thing I would like to do before releasing 2.0 is change how you enter mouse coordinates when jumping to a hotspot. Instead of a single edit field, you’ll see two numeric fields so you can enter x and y coordinates separately. I haven’t forgotten about touchscreen plans.
  • 2.0 release date: if everything goes as planned, Golden Cursor 2.0 will hit the air around New Year’s Day or shortly after (for add-ons community, I’d like to request a review of this add-on, the usual one please).
  • For developers or the curious: add-on internals article for Golden Cursor is now available: https://github.com/nvdaaddons/devguide/wiki/gcaddoninternals

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


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Re: I'm dissappointed

Carlos
 

Hello All:

    This discussion is going in the direction of at some point NV Access handing control of NVDA to Microsoft.

    There are many issues that go into maintaining a software project.  Keeping the software up to date, being able to offer some sort of technical support mechanism for users, having a wide variety of code contributions to draw from, and of course community participation!

    That's why so many open source project fail in their first two years!  So, the time has come for NV Access to decide if they will continue going at it alone?  Or, if for the good of the project turn it over to an organization that has all the bases covered!

    Unfortunatly! A community based project can only go so far as its ability to provide all the elements needed to keep the project active and vibrant!

    Good exmaples of this are projects like LibreOffice and The Apache Foundation.

    So! The NVDA developers and the community as a whole really do need to think about the direction of the project.  And, if they are going to be able to keep it growing in its current state?

    Have a very happy and thoughtful 2018!

On 12/23/2017 11:30 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I second that.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 11:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

This would be the greatest solution.


Il 23/12/2017 20:22, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some
kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA...
by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list is
support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run
which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call
centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a
full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not
sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for
nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and
dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of
us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support
for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and
email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is
always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my
students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt
NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself
through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my
student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what
works one day does not always work the next day. What has been
frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on
the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have
very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work
with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends
beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with
support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and
it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA
but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to
brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not
make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the
future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?



.


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Re: I'm disappointed

Cristóbal
 

This thread is starting to meander.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 11:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

I second that.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 11:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

This would be the greatest solution.


Il 23/12/2017 20:22, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some
kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA...
by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list is
support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run
which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call
centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a
full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not
sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for
nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and
dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of
us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support
for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and
email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is
always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my
students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt
NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself
through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my
student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what
works one day does not always work the next day. What has been
frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on
the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have
very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work
with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends
beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with
support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and
it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA
but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to
brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not
make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the
future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




.



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Golden Cursor 2.0: Christmas snapshot, backwards incompatible file format, add-on settings, release date

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

First, Merry Christmas (for those of us celebrating it).

 

Few important announcements regarding Golden Cursor version 2.0:

 

  • Development snapshot: The Christmas snapshot is now available. If you want to test this snapshot, go to addons.nvda-project.org, select Golden Cursor and go to development version link. Once you install this snapshot, you CANNOT go back to version 1.4 or earlier snapshots.
  • Backwards incompatible: version 2.0 introduces a new way to store mouse hotspots. The new file format is similar in appearance to .ini files and can be opened as such. Internally, Golden Cursor will use ConfigObj to open mouse hotspot (.gc) files. Also, due to this change, .gc file location has changed, and as part of upgrading to 2.0, old file format will be converted to the new format.
  • Brand-new add-on settings dialog: after installing today’s snapshot, you’ll notice a new item named “Golden Cursor” in NVDA’s Preferences menu. The new dialog will house settings for Golden Cursor add-on. At the moment it contains a checkbox to announce new mouse coordinates as you move the mouse with the keyboard, and a numeric edit field to adjust mouse movement units. The add-on settings are also ready for configuration profiles so you can use custom mouse movement units for different applications and/or situations. This also means add-on settings you set will be remembered across NVDA runs (technical: a new section named “goldenCursor” will be added to config.conf database).
  • Custom mouse movement units: you can now adjust mouse movement units between 1 and 100 pixels. For backward compatibility, when you press Windows+NVDA+C to change movement units, you can change between previous six values (1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 pixels). The new preferred way to change movement units is via the new add-on settings dialog.
  • Mouse coordinate announcement toggle: instead of saying “say pixel on/off” and playing a tone, NVDA will now say, “report new mouse coordinate on/off” and will no longer play a confirmation tone to align with other toggle commands in NVDA and other add-ons.
  • Future developments: one thing I would like to do before releasing 2.0 is change how you enter mouse coordinates when jumping to a hotspot. Instead of a single edit field, you’ll see two numeric fields so you can enter x and y coordinates separately. I haven’t forgotten about touchscreen plans.
  • 2.0 release date: if everything goes as planned, Golden Cursor 2.0 will hit the air around New Year’s Day or shortly after (for add-ons community, I’d like to request a review of this add-on, the usual one please).
  • For developers or the curious: add-on internals article for Golden Cursor is now available: https://github.com/nvdaaddons/devguide/wiki/gcaddoninternals

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: I'm dissappointed

Rui Fontes
 

Remember that the majority of NVDA users do not speak english, so this list is useless to them...

The way each community will organize itself iwill be different, because the community is different, because the users base is different, the size of the country is different and so on...

One thing is a community in a country like Portugal, with only 10 millions of people, and other totally different will be in India with almost 100 times more population...

Regards,

Rui Fonts
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 19:36 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

Hmmm how would one go about doing this.
Firstly you would need some way to handle this.
I guess if it was all done via skype it could be done but I certainly do not have time to sit round on a  waiting for calls on nvda.
For mail ie email we have this list for global support and the tech lists at least in new zealand do handle nvda questions and issues if they get posted there.
There is the blind organisation I am in and they have an accessibility centre of sorts that covers all support I suspose nvda to but who knows.
Its an organisation so like all of them they want you to use jaws but who knows a lot of that has changed a lot.
On 24/12/2017 8:22 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA... by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda  does not use a traditional support line, the email list is support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of  devs and a few are payed but most of us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what works one day does not always work the next day. What has been frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




.


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Sleep mode resolved

 

Hello friends,
This is to inform all that i finally got the sleep issue fixed,
I just made a new keyboard command from
Nvda shift z to nvda control a
So now, pressing nvda control a will put nvda to sleep for a specific app/software
And Thank you so much to all who helped
I figure there may be a keyboard hardware issue blocking me from executing the command,
Cheers,

This message is transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.


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Re: I'm dissappointed

 

Hmmm how would one go about doing this.

Firstly you would need some way to handle this.

I guess if it was all done via skype it could be done but I certainly do not have time to sit round on a  waiting for calls on nvda.

For mail ie email we have this list for global support and the tech lists at least in new zealand do handle nvda questions and issues if they get posted there.

There is the blind organisation I am in and they have an accessibility centre of sorts that covers all support I suspose nvda to but who knows.

Its an organisation so like all of them they want you to use jaws but who knows a lot of that has changed a lot.

On 24/12/2017 8:22 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA... by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda  does not use a traditional support line, the email list is support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of  devs and a few are payed but most of us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what works one day does not always work the next day. What has been frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




.

.


Re: I'm dissappointed

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I second that.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 11:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

This would be the greatest solution.


Il 23/12/2017 20:22, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some
kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA...
by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list is
support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run
which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call
centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a
full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not
sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for
nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and
dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of
us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support
for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and
email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is
always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my
students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt
NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself
through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my
student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what
works one day does not always work the next day. What has been
frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on
the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have
very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work
with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends
beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with
support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and
it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA
but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to
brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not
make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the
future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




.



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Re: I'm dissappointed

Angela Delicata
 

This would be the greatest solution.

Il 23/12/2017 20:22, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA... by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda  does not use a traditional support line, the email list is support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of  devs and a few are payed but most of us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what works one day does not always work the next day. What has been frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




.


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Re: I'm dissappointed

Rui Fontes
 

I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA... by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

Well nvda  does not use a traditional support line, the email list is support for most part.
I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a full support group.
Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not sure how we can fix this shortfall.
Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and dial support.
Here is the thing, a number of  devs and a few are payed but most of us are not.
Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is always the best especially if the computer does not work right.
On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what works one day does not always work the next day. What has been frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?
.