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Re: I'm dissappointed

 

Hi Susan,

Ah, you brought up important points, and a justification for what I’m about to do soon.

Google applications: there were several seminars/sessions during NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon) where Google apps were discussed. The most recent one was done by a Google engineer (NVDACon 2017) and talked about what Google is doing to make Chrome and other applications accessible.

You say you’re using Firefox? Which version is it and which NVDA version did you get? I highly recommend using NVDA 2017.3 or later and Firefox 52 or later for improved accessibility to Google applications. Also, bare in mind that Google apps do change from time to time, and in some cases, using Google Chrome (or Microsoft Edge on Windows 10) might offer a slightly better experience.

As for what I’m planning to do: sometime in 2018, I plan to hold a seminar that goes over how to provide a more proper technical support offline. It’ll involve talking about some NVDA internals, as well as common issues and troubleshooting tasks, user-centric questions, etiquette and what not.

Tech support over the phone: as much as I’d like to offer phone support, I’m a college (undergraduate) student and a forensics (speech and debate) competitor, so my schedule is tight. I’m also teaching two related courses on NVDA development (one on Python and another on NVDA internals) along with my Windows Insider duties, so there’s not a lot of time I can devote to phone support. I do agree that as much as online support system is valuable, tech support over the phone is something we cannot forget. I’ll keep an eye out for news on that front and see what can be done.

To the rest of the community: you know what to do: please help a college student by stepping up to this challenge. I don’t want to hear words alone: I want action please.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of susan@...
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

 

Hi Joseph,
My expectations for tech support are all formats: email, dedicated tech support, hands on guide and youtubes. The students I am working with and teaching screen readers are generally 10 years old and up. We teach students the basics of screen readers at the younger age and also start to teach them about tech support and where to get support. We always teach them to look online for support and love you tubes. However, there are times that the online resources don't answer the questions at which point my students call a tech support number. The reality of the situations is I have usually a 30 minute block to work on screen readers so when a problem comes up I am looking for the most direct way to get an answer. Sometimes the fastest way is to have a dedicated tech support number.

The issues I have been having are around google docs and google classroom. All my schools are everything google and many times NVDA commands do not execute the way they are supposed to. For example, we are using Firefox and working on a google doc and when using the command to read all it doesn't always execute. I do have the accessibility feature turned on. The same command does work with NVDA in microsoft word. Issues like this are time consuming to figure out and spend hours at home trying different possibilities. If there was a dedicated number or  live person to speak with it might make this process more usable for teachers like myself. Screen readers are one part of what we teach our students with visual impairments during the day and it is very difficult to find time to do this work during the school day. 

Susan


Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Gene
 

Looking through the settings might or might not allow the user to make a reasonable guess about what the setting does.  It depends on part on the general level of knowledge the user has about how browse mode reformats web pages and can guess about what this setting might do. 
 
We've been talking about technical support in another thread.  I'll say this about technical support or list help, for that matter.  It isn't a good use of anyone's time, list members, a technical support person, or the user's time, to have a problem or question come up caused completely by a bad default setting and for no other reason.  This is an example. 
 
Also, if someone is evaluating NVDA, the person may be left with a less favorable impression than he/she otherwise would have had had the unnecessary problem not occurred.  A lot of people aren't on this list who use NVDA.  A lot of people will never know what is causing this sort of problem and they may, if they have a choice, continue to use what they used before that didn't cause this problem. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

You can go to nvda settings and choose not to use screen layout and I
think that should solve the problem.

One question: did you spend ten minutes exploring nvda settings? I do
not think so by your question because one who knows nothing like me has
understood it just exploring...

Best and remember to explore the screen reader you are using.

Angela from Italy

P.S Do not take it as personal because I don't know you at all, it is
just a suggestion, humble  opinion. We want tech support, but we also
must be able to help ourselves by exploring things on our own.



Il 24/12/2017 14:46, Morne van der Merwe ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I think I've figured the Facebook issue out. The links for messages and profile are next to each other, not underneath each other.
>
> Latest version of Internet Explorer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
> Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2017 3:40 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook
>
> Hi Morne,
> I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you specify the web browser and its version being used at your end while encountering difficulties in accessing your Messages?
> Thanks.
>
> On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@...> wrote:
>> Hello NVDA family,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find
>> that my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the
>> mobile site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find
>> the message link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of
>> links in order to get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual Facebook site?
>>
>>
>>
>> Outlook:  I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
>> telling you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in
>> Outlook assigned to specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and
>> messages related to NVDA goes directly to that folder. With the
>> previous screen reader I could determine how many unread emails there
>> are by just arrowing down through the folders.
>> Is that possible with NVDA?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Morné
>>
>>
>
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Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

Roger Stewart
 

I have a utility called FAT 32 Format that will do the trick.  Can't remember where I got this thing, but it was free.  Maybe it's still around or maybe there's an updated version. 

Roger







On 12/24/2017 1:24 AM, coffeekingms@... wrote:

Hi

Would you be willing to post that for me? I believe I’m on the right group but I’m not positive. I can’t say absolutely that it’s universal, but the fat32 option is gone on every single flash drive I have hear, even my wife’s ones, which are already formatted properly. People can still of course use Linux to format them, using mkfs.vfat, but that’s not really user friendly. Some desktops in Linux have a format option that makes it a lot easier, gnome and mate both do, but windows doesn’t right now. The format command line program, if it still exists might be able to do it, but the functionality might be removed there if it hasn’t already been.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 12:52:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment
 

Hi,

How about with other flash drives? If it is universal, then it is better to post it on Win10 forum as an advisory.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of coffeekingms@...
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook

 



Re: Golden Cursor December 23rd snapshot/emergency patch posted

 

Hi,
As noted earlier, I don't post about what's under development on the public
facing page.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 1:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor December 23rd snapshot/emergency patch
posted

Can these commands be seen though? IE an addendum that they are changing to,
xxx in the main page might be prudent to stop duplicate calls for help. I
also do not really agree about removal of the sound. it may well be a ring
but in this case its for a different purpose entirely.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor December 23rd snapshot/emergency patch
posted


Hi,

I usually don't post things about what's under development on add-ons
website. The corrected commands will go up once 2.0 stable is out.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene New Zealand
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 7:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor December 23rd snapshot/emergency
patch posted



Hi Joseph



Just checked and the commands are correct now if you access them from
inside of the add on manager for golden cursor.



but i would hate to say this if you go to the get add- ons page under the
golden cursor page it is incorrect there for those same 2 commands.

I always thought when you opened the help section under the add on manager
section it would take you to the same place but seems not. so is there a
copy on or in the add on?

I have never checked and i guess there would be there just in case you did
not have internet access?

Or is this still to be done?



sorry to give you some more greys.



Gene nz











On 12/24/2017 1:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,



Thanks to quick feedback from a user, an emergency patch for Golden Cursor
December 23rd snapshot is now up:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html



Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Angela Delicata
 

You can go to nvda settings and choose not to use screen layout and I think that should solve the problem.

One question: did you spend ten minutes exploring nvda settings? I do not think so by your question because one who knows nothing like me has understood it just exploring...

Best and remember to explore the screen reader you are using.

Angela from Italy

P.S Do not take it as personal because I don't know you at all, it is just a suggestion, humble  opinion. We want tech support, but we also must be able to help ourselves by exploring things on our own.

Il 24/12/2017 14:46, Morne van der Merwe ha scritto:
Hello,

I think I've figured the Facebook issue out. The links for messages and profile are next to each other, not underneath each other.

Latest version of Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2017 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Hi Morne,
I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you specify the web browser and its version being used at your end while encountering difficulties in accessing your Messages?
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Hello NVDA family,



I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.



I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find
that my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the
mobile site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find
the message link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of
links in order to get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual Facebook site?



Outlook: I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
telling you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in
Outlook assigned to specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and
messages related to NVDA goes directly to that folder. With the
previous screen reader I could determine how many unread emails there
are by just arrowing down through the folders.
Is that possible with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Kind regards

Morné

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Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Angela Delicata
 

Hi,

One thing I would say not to come out with stating nvda does not work on FB mobile site because it is not true!

It works both with Firefox and IE! Edge is not so good, but this is with other screen reader also.

and I would say maybe it is my problem because I do not know how to use Edge.

So, I don't see any difficulty in browsing Facebook mobile with nvda.

Il 24/12/2017 14:40, Bhavya shah ha scritto:
Hi Morne,
I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you
specify the web browser and its version being used at your end while
encountering difficulties in accessing your Messages?
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Hello NVDA family,



I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.



I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find that
my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the mobile
site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find the message
link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of links in order to
get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual Facebook site?



Outlook: I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
telling
you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in Outlook assigned to
specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and messages related to NVDA goes
directly to that folder. With the previous screen reader I could determine
how many unread emails there are by just arrowing down through the folders.
Is that possible with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Kind regards

Morné


Re: I'm dissappointed

susan@...
 

Hi Joseph,
My expectations for tech support are all formats: email, dedicated tech support, hands on guide and youtubes. The students I am working with and teaching screen readers are generally 10 years old and up. We teach students the basics of screen readers at the younger age and also start to teach them about tech support and where to get support. We always teach them to look online for support and love you tubes. However, there are times that the online resources don't answer the questions at which point my students call a tech support number. The reality of the situations is I have usually a 30 minute block to work on screen readers so when a problem comes up I am looking for the most direct way to get an answer. Sometimes the fastest way is to have a dedicated tech support number.

The issues I have been having are around google docs and google classroom. All my schools are everything google and many times NVDA commands do not execute the way they are supposed to. For example, we are using Firefox and working on a google doc and when using the command to read all it doesn't always execute. I do have the accessibility feature turned on. The same command does work with NVDA in microsoft word. Issues like this are time consuming to figure out and spend hours at home trying different possibilities. If there was a dedicated number or  live person to speak with it might make this process more usable for teachers like myself. Screen readers are one part of what we teach our students with visual impairments during the day and it is very difficult to find time to do this work during the school day. 

Susan


Re: Tech support: a possible training session during NVDACon2018

Gerardo Corripio
 

Agree totally that such a session for NVDA 2018 would be awesome indeed! which makes me wonder as well, where would I get info on the NVDA training module you guys are talking about? I imagine it costs something as to via, help support the NVDA community?'

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel

El 24/12/2017, a la(s) 3:07 a. m., David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> escribió:

Hi Joseph!

I think what you proposed is a good idea, because it might get more NVDA beginners to join the NVDACon 2018. Learning some beginning tech support from it being well explained, would be better for some people than reading the manual! I learn great from manuals, and I am a great self learner from reading books and seeing patterns and all.

We all learn in different ways though, and I think that a presentation on using the NVDA log information, self testing procedures, and more advanced topics of NVDA would be good to present at the NVDACon 2018

!Thank you so much, Joseph, for what you do, and let us keep marching on and work together and teach each other.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 1:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tech support: a possible training session during NVDACon2018

 

Hello Joseph:

    NV Access already offers a training module on using NVDA.

    Those in the community who want to help with support in using NVDA should take the course and set themselves up to do tech support agents as their time permits.

    The training modules should be translated by members of the community in as many languages/tongues as possible!

    And, as always, in order to get the most out of NVDA it should be required that before coming on the list to ask questions that an understanding of the user manual take place!

    Thank You! Joseph for all your tireless work!!!

 

On 12/23/2017 9:14 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Before I present the following idea to NVDACon organizers, I’d like to run it through with you to gather comments before proceeding:

 

As some of you may know, the NVDA community holds an annual gathering of community members to discuss NVDA and its present and future. Given that NVDACon 2018 proposals might be floating around the community (hopefully by early next year), coupled with recent tech support discussions, I was wondering if I should hold a training session during that gathering that goes over basics of tech support. Topics may include user-centric questions, troubleshooting steps, how to read NVDA log and what not.

 

Comments are welcome.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Gene,
Agreed.
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Just one more example of what I've been saying but I doubt the designers
will make the change. I explained in my previous message how to change this
behavior. It is a very bad default setting to have use screen layout on as
the default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Morne van der Merwe
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook


Hello,

I think I've figured the Facebook issue out. The links for messages and
profile are next to each other, not underneath each other.

Latest version of Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya
shah
Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2017 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Hi Morne,
I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you specify the
web browser and its version being used at your end while encountering
difficulties in accessing your Messages?
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Hello NVDA family,



I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.



I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find
that my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the
mobile site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find
the message link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of
links in order to get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual
Facebook site?



Outlook: I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
telling you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in
Outlook assigned to specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and
messages related to NVDA goes directly to that folder. With the
previous screen reader I could determine how many unread emails there
are by just arrowing down through the folders.
Is that possible with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Kind regards

Morné


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Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Gene
 

Just one more example of what I've been saying but I doubt the designers will make the change.  I explained in my previous message how to change this behavior.  It is a very bad default setting to have use screen layout on as the default. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Hello,

I think I've figured the Facebook issue out. The links for messages and profile are next to each other, not underneath each other.

Latest version of Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2017 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Hi Morne,
I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you specify the web browser and its version being used at your end while encountering difficulties in accessing your Messages?
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@...> wrote:
> Hello NVDA family,
>
>
>
> I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.
>
>
>
> I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find
> that my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the
> mobile site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find
> the message link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of
> links in order to get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual Facebook site?
>
>
>
> Outlook:  I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
> telling you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in
> Outlook assigned to specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and
> messages related to NVDA goes directly to that folder. With the
> previous screen reader I could determine how many unread emails there
> are by just arrowing down through the folders.
> Is that possible with NVDA?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Morné
>
>


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Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Gene
 

Also, how do you get to the messages link using the old screen-reader?  It may be that NVDA presents the page slightly differently or doesn't see something your old screen-reader did, or it may be that a setting change will allow you to see the page in the same way.  Try the following:
Open the NVDA menu with NVDA key n. 
Down arrow to preferences and press enter.
Down arrow to browse mode and press enter.
A dialog opens.
Tab around until you get to Use screen layout when supported.
If it is checked, uncheck it.  Then press enter.
Does the page display as it did before? 
Or try the reverse.  If it is currently unchecked, check it.  See what happpens. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Hi Morne,
I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you
specify the web browser and its version being used at your end while
encountering difficulties in accessing your Messages?
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@...> wrote:
> Hello NVDA family,
>
>
>
> I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.
>
>
>
> I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find that
> my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the mobile
> site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find the message
> link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of links in order to
> get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual Facebook site?
>
>
>
> Outlook:  I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
> telling
> you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in Outlook assigned to
> specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and messages related to NVDA goes
> directly to that folder. With the previous screen reader I could determine
> how many unread emails there are by just arrowing down through the folders.
> Is that possible with NVDA?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Morné
>
>


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Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Morne,
Ah, alright. If you want the two links to be one below the other,
instead of besides, you need to toggle screen layout by pressing
NVDA+V.
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Hello,

I think I've figured the Facebook issue out. The links for messages and
profile are next to each other, not underneath each other.

Latest version of Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya
shah
Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2017 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Hi Morne,
I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you specify the
web browser and its version being used at your end while encountering
difficulties in accessing your Messages?
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Hello NVDA family,



I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.



I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find
that my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the
mobile site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find
the message link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of
links in order to get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual
Facebook site?



Outlook: I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
telling you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in
Outlook assigned to specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and
messages related to NVDA goes directly to that folder. With the
previous screen reader I could determine how many unread emails there
are by just arrowing down through the folders.
Is that possible with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Kind regards

Morné


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Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Morne van der Merwe
 

Hello,

I think I've figured the Facebook issue out. The links for messages and profile are next to each other, not underneath each other.

Latest version of Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2017 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Hi Morne,
I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you specify the web browser and its version being used at your end while encountering difficulties in accessing your Messages?
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Hello NVDA family,



I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.



I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find
that my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the
mobile site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find
the message link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of
links in order to get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual Facebook site?



Outlook: I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
telling you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in
Outlook assigned to specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and
messages related to NVDA goes directly to that folder. With the
previous screen reader I could determine how many unread emails there
are by just arrowing down through the folders.
Is that possible with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Kind regards

Morné


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Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Morne,
I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you
specify the web browser and its version being used at your end while
encountering difficulties in accessing your Messages?
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Hello NVDA family,



I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.



I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find that
my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the mobile
site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find the message
link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of links in order to
get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual Facebook site?



Outlook: I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
telling
you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in Outlook assigned to
specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and messages related to NVDA goes
directly to that folder. With the previous screen reader I could determine
how many unread emails there are by just arrowing down through the folders.
Is that possible with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Kind regards

Morné

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NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Morne van der Merwe
 

Hello NVDA family,

 

I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.

 

I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find that my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the mobile site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find the message link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of links in order to get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual Facebook site?

 

Outlook:  I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of telling you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in Outlook assigned to specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and messages related to NVDA goes directly to that folder. With the previous screen reader I could determine how many unread emails there are by just arrowing down through the folders. Is that possible with NVDA?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Kind regards

Morné


Re: The Story of Rudolph Part II

Gene
 

You may not have seen the message, but I responded as moderator.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Story of Rudolph Part II

Hi, I think if you had wanted to post this, you might have been better to
have made it a dropbox text download, perhaps put into your sig line. Its
very long, and is rather USA-centric. I don't understand a lot of its
references here in the UK.
 That is not to discourage you from writing, but perhaps just flag it and
save a bit of space on the list. At the time of writing I see nobody
commented on this, but if I were a moderator here, I might be getting my
riding crop out!

:-)


You should have called your Reindeer after add ons to nvda. One could have
been golden Cursor with a shiny nose after all.
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Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

mk360
 

What about using diskpart?


El 24/12/2017 a las 3:25, coffeekingms@... escribió:

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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Re: Tech support: a possible training session during NVDACon 2018

Adriani Botez
 

Yes Joseph thank you for your huge work. Be careful and do not stress yourself too much. We should really work together to build a sustainable platforn for sharing maintainer experience. We have to show the users and amd other people that maintaining does not only mean to translate or test addons. It implies user support, user surveys, networking, writing tutorials and articles etc. as well.

Best
Adriani


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Am 24.12.2017 um 11:23 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>:

Could I just say, Joseph. Please be careful. I am not saying don't do it, but be aware of the stress levels in your life.
Just a friendly warning that is all.
Hope you have a good restful Christmas.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 5:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tech support: a possible training session during NVDACon 2018


Hi all,



Before I present the following idea to NVDACon organizers, I'd like to run
it through with you to gather comments before proceeding:



As some of you may know, the NVDA community holds an annual gathering of
community members to discuss NVDA and its present and future. Given that
NVDACon 2018 proposals might be floating around the community (hopefully by
early next year), coupled with recent tech support discussions, I was
wondering if I should hold a training session during that gathering that
goes over basics of tech support. Topics may include user-centric questions,
troubleshooting steps, how to read NVDA log and what not.



Comments are welcome.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

Hi

You’re better at this than I am, I couldn’t even have cobbled this together. I can write a bash script to do it in Linux, since I know the cintax better and I know the command line programs that format stuff, but in windows? Not a chance. I never even considered that this was a bug, I assumed ms deliberately removed it hoping people will migrate over to the newer file systems. Which would be fine except that most blindy devices only support a limited set of them, mostly windows ones, or at least OS agnostic ones like fat and fat32. I do wish they would add ext2/3/4, btrfs, xfs, and some other Linux file systems as native support. It would go well with microsoft’s supposed mission of supporting the competition. It would go right in with wsl, windows subsystem for Linux and their support for gmail and iCloud email accounts. Whether it will happen though is anyone’s guess. I didn’t think they’d ever make windows installation accessible and when they did, they did it right, I have to say. Except for Cortana, that over rides narrator until you turn it off, and I’ve asked them to disable the speech intro if narrator is on. Still allow Cortana functionality, just disable the perky speech intro in favor of narrators, since it announces the intro anyway.

 

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment
 
It does give a list no, but I guess some kind of addition could be made. I
have tweaked my system so that the drive letter is always e or f, but the
one I need to not format is m .
 Its very quick, some might say lazy. Ahem. I don't suggest I'm any good at
this stuff, just know enough to get by... :-)
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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting
for flash drives for the moment


Hi

Thanks a lot for that little script, it was exactly what I was looking for.
Something to put on my desktop to to click on when I get a new flash drive.
Looking at the code, it seems to ask which stick to use, but does it
actually give a list of sticks, or do you need to provide the drive letter?
Also, a prompt for the volume label or name would be nice, but I think I can
edit the script to add that since the language doesn’t seem too hard.
Something like /p “volume name?” or similar?

Thanks

Kendell Clark





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Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting
for flash drives for the moment

Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
 Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
 exit

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Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting
for flash drives for the moment


> Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for
> the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
> I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files
> written, not on the file names as well.
> It seems a little odd to remove such an option.
>
> Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre
> formatted in that  way.
> Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?
>
> If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
> Brian
>
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <coffeekingms@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 AM
> Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for
> flash drives for the moment
>
>
> Hi all
> This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after
> unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book
> player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the
> XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital
> player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to
> ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This
> is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely
> unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash
> drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure
> exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the
> functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard
> drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not
> subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but
> I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide
> workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.
>
> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
>
>
> Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook
>
>
>
>
>









Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

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How odd, Seems that they bust the windows front end then?
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hi,


Just tested it:

from the command line:

format f: /fs:fat32

and it works fine.


Le 2017-12-24 à 09:56, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :
Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
exit

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Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files written, not on the file names as well.
It seems a little odd to remove such an option.

Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre formatted in that way.
Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?

If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
Brian


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----- Original Message ----- From: <coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hi all
This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality. This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

Thanks
Kendell Clark


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