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NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems.  It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.


I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue.  No warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.


Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?


Dan Beaver


Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

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Since the current war between Amazon and google broke out it seems that the idea is to stop Amazon tablets viewing Youtube, but now Amazon has a version of Firrefox it can use to get around it. Whether any of these stupid things are affecting the system who knows.
Brian

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From: "Edhoari Setiyoso" <edhoari.s@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program


You could try this software (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/)

I use it for couple of years without problems. Only when google made
modifications on youtube then I need to update it.


On 29-Dec-17 4:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that this program is no longer in development so the chance
of an update may be remote.

David Griffith

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Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever
wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

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From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@gmail.com>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any
problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download
starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What
should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be
converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Hi All,

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several
years. But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and
auto

download into the music folder. I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from DVDVideoSoft in the
new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05. However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself. The menus are rather unaccessible.

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work
with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

--
Best Regards

Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com


Re: NVDA next snapshot

 

Hi,
We need a log fragment please.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 8:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA next snapshot

Running the latest next snapshot of NVDA on a Win 10 system. Every time I open a web site using Chrome I get the NVDA error sound. Is this normal?


Re: Another Wording Question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Really, this is hard. Why cannot these buttons simply have close, save and whatever on them?
I mean that would then solve the issue as long as it was text nvda and other readers can read it.
Most sites seem to cope this way but some just say button button button or some complex internal file name of a graphic or some other strange pointless info.
I see no reason why your employer cannot supply even an old machine not on the network but capable of viewing the web site or whatever so you can test things. There is no point trying to do accessibility if one of the major tools we use is missing from your toolbox!

Brian

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From: <tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:14 PM
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question


I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means "Close this Window". But, how does it read to you? Is it called "Close this Window" or what is it called by the screen reader?

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

Tonea


NVDA next snapshot

Don H
 

Running the latest next snapshot of NVDA on a Win 10 system. Every time I open a web site using Chrome I get the NVDA error sound. Is this normal?


Re: Another Wording Question

 

Hi Tonea,

What you wrote will work for most cases. However, because different apps have different ways of doing things with controls, a button may not fully convey what the user is supposed to do. In case of the save button, I cannot tell you how NVDA will say things unless you let a screen reader user take a look at it, and even then, different screen readers will say different things. This kind of thing is where practice is really needed, not just theories and guesswork, and for this reason, I’d like to once again strongly suggest that your employer let you test NVDA.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question

 

I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

 

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.

 

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means “Close this Window”. But, how does it read to you? Is it called “Close this Window” or what is it called by the screen reader?

 

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.

 

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

 

Tonea


Another Wording Question

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

 

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.

 

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means “Close this Window”. But, how does it read to you? Is it called “Close this Window” or what is it called by the screen reader?

 

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.

 

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

 

Tonea


Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Edhoari Setiyoso
 

Hi David,

You're right that we need command prompt to execute it.

  • Download the exe to a folder. Here's the download link https://yt-dl.org/latest/youtube-dl.exe
  • Open cmd.exe and navigate to folder where youtube-dl.exe located
  • Execute the command to retrieve all available format (Note that we use capital F)
    • youtube-dl.exe -F [youtube_url_you_want_to_download]
  • The software will download metadata containing available the format you wanted. There'll be multiple options to choose. We even can download audio only file.
  • Then execute similar command to download media file that you wan (we use small f lerter here)
    • youtube-dl.exe -f [format_code] [youtube_url_you_want_to_download]

Example to download full HD video (format code 22) from nvaccess:

youtube-dl.exe -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE
youtube-dl.exe -f 22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE

Note
  • Add location where we save youtube-dl.exe to system environment PATH in order to access it from anywhere
  • If you add playlist URL, it will download all the videos
  • If the program unable to download, perhaps google made another modifications. Just download the new version and it should work.
  • The good thing of command line is that NVDA works really well with it

If you need help, you may contact me

skype : edhoari.s

email : edhoari.s@...


On 29-Dec-17 5:08 PM, David Griffith wrote:

 

Is there any clue as to how to use it?

The documentation seems to assume you have a  degree in programming.

A basic set  of instrukctions for a Windows  User would be very useful.

It appears that you need to run it from a command prompt but how to do this and where to put the program to achieve this, and if possible an example of how to use it  would be great.

I don’t  know if this exists anywhere.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: 29 December 2017 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

You could try this software (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/)

I use it for couple of years without problems. Only when google made modifications on youtube then I need to update it.

 

On 29-Dec-17 4:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that this program  is no longer in development so the chance of  an update may be remote.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

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Sent: 29 December 2017 08:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

 

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From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

 

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years.  But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto

download into the music folder.    I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from  DVDVideoSoft  in the new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

 

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05.  However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself.  The menus are rather unaccessible.

 

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

 

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



-- 
Best Regards
 
Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com

 


-- 
Best Regards

Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com


Re: Speak passwords add-on

Gene
 

The add ons page says that the activity of the add on is controled by the speak character setting.  When planning to use an add on, you should read all information about it on the page. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 11:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Speak passwords add-on

Sorry about my ignorance: I had to set echo to characters in order to
make the add-on work and now it is really great to hear all my passwords!

happy new Year to all and thank you again for the tireless work you do
for us!

Best

Angela From Italy





Re: outlook question

Gene
 

You have to pay for Outlook.  Outlook is an e-mail program.  I'm not sure if there is both a cloud based and a local version.  Whatever the case, I see more complaints about Outlook than about any other popular Windows e-mail program.  I would keep away from it unless you have a specific reason to use it.  With Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail, and, if you use Windows 10, the Windows mail app all available as choices, there is no reason to pay for an e-mail program unless you want its extra features which are business-related features.  Windows Live Mail is no longer supported by Microsoft but you can still get it from people who have the full installer.  One or more people on this list has it.  Thunderbird and the Windows Mail app are supported and available in the usual ways.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook question

I'm assuming its the one supplied with Office 2016. By the mere statement of
the originator saying Microsoft supplied it as no success was being had
getting the free Windows mail client to work.
 However I'm sure we all also know that Microsoft have been having severe
crashing issues with Outlook recently in windows 10 too, if a screenreader
is present.
 Hopefully recent updates have resolved this, but I think that was what you
wanted to know.
 So no, in my view you would need to be pretty desperate to use Windows
webmail on their outlook used to be hotmail web interface. I think maybe it
was designed by a drunk programmer....
 Brian

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From: "Howard Traxler" <howard@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] outlook question


> Wondering about outlook.  Sorry, but I've not paid attension to the
> outlook discussion here.  Is this a web-based mail service or a local mail
> client? Years ago, I used outlook as part of office 97, office 2000, and
> office 2003.  At that time, I thought that a standalone outlook was
> something you had to purchase.
>
> Since "big brother" won't let me use outlook express any more--and NVDA
> worked so well with it, I need to start learning something else.  Maybe
> outlook is the one.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Howard
>
>
>




Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

David Griffith
 

 

Is there any clue as to how to use it?

The documentation seems to assume you have a  degree in programming.

A basic set  of instrukctions for a Windows  User would be very useful.

It appears that you need to run it from a command prompt but how to do this and where to put the program to achieve this, and if possible an example of how to use it  would be great.

I don’t  know if this exists anywhere.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: 29 December 2017 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

You could try this software (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/)

I use it for couple of years without problems. Only when google made modifications on youtube then I need to update it.

 

On 29-Dec-17 4:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that this program  is no longer in development so the chance of  an update may be remote.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 December 2017 08:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

 

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years.  But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto

download into the music folder.    I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from  DVDVideoSoft  in the new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

 

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05.  However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself.  The menus are rather unaccessible.

 

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

 

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



-- 
Best Regards
 
Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com

 


Re: outlook question

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Brian,

Thanks,

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Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 3:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook question

Its also worth noting that read all can be given without allowing the
virtual cursor to move. What you need to be is in object nav, ie the default
state of the navigation mode, and use the keypad plus to auto read the
message.
As I say if its in screen mode its not going to work right, but otherwise
it seems to. I now read in html but do not have any of the preview panes on
in email or other software as otherwise it tends to read the on screen bit
of that rather than the message you open. and this is not just an nvda issue
either!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook question


I don't use Outlook but for all cases where I want to have speak all work
correctly where it doesn't, I use the actual command. I use that command
every time I read a message in Windows Live Mail. If I don't, perhaps
because I read mail in plain text, the entire message isn't read. I don't
like the standard read all command. I have the caps lock set as an NVDA
key, so I can issue the command caps lock down arrow.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 12:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] outlook question


Hi All,



Yesterday I started using outlook 2016 because I can't get my contacts
synced in the mail and people apps. I am using the latest windows 10 and
nvda. When I open a message it doesn't always read the whole message. I
have the auto read checkbox checked. What can I do to fix this? Thanks for

any help.



Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Edhoari Setiyoso
 

You could try this software (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/)

I use it for couple of years without problems. Only when google made modifications on youtube then I need to update it.


On 29-Dec-17 4:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that this program  is no longer in development so the chance of  an update may be remote.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 December 2017 08:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

 

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years.  But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto

download into the music folder.    I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from  DVDVideoSoft  in the new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

 

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05.  However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself.  The menus are rather unaccessible.

 

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

 

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


-- 
Best Regards

Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com


Speak passwords add-on

Angela Delicata
 

Sorry about my ignorance: I had to set echo to characters in order to make the add-on work and now it is really great to hear all my passwords!

happy new Year to all and thank you again for the tireless work you do for us!

Best

Angela From Italy


Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

David Griffith
 

I believe that this program  is no longer in development so the chance of  an update may be remote.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 December 2017 08:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

 

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From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

 

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

 

 

 

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From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years.  But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto

download into the music folder.    I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from  DVDVideoSoft  in the new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

 

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05.  However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself.  The menus are rather unaccessible.

 

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

 

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

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Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever wrote the software needs to also change something to sort it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program


I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any problems until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download starts but stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What should I do to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

My OS is Windows 8.1.
From: Jason Milyo
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be converted too and go from there promps are accessible.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Dan Thompson
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program



Hi All,

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years. But suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto download into the music folder. I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5. It seems the new version of this program from DVDVideoSoft in the new 4.62 version has become very unaccessible.

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5 build 5-05. However, now with the new verson nothing downloads automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging itself. The menus are rather unaccessible.

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to


Re: outlook question

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I'm assuming its the one supplied with Office 2016. By the mere statement of the originator saying Microsoft supplied it as no success was being had getting the free Windows mail client to work.
However I'm sure we all also know that Microsoft have been having severe crashing issues with Outlook recently in windows 10 too, if a screenreader is present.
Hopefully recent updates have resolved this, but I think that was what you wanted to know.
So no, in my view you would need to be pretty desperate to use Windows webmail on their outlook used to be hotmail web interface. I think maybe it was designed by a drunk programmer....
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <howard@traxlerenterprises.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] outlook question


Wondering about outlook. Sorry, but I've not paid attension to the outlook discussion here. Is this a web-based mail service or a local mail client? Years ago, I used outlook as part of office 97, office 2000, and office 2003. At that time, I thought that a standalone outlook was something you had to purchase.

Since "big brother" won't let me use outlook express any more--and NVDA worked so well with it, I need to start learning something else. Maybe outlook is the one.

Thanks.

Howard


Re: I'm dissappointed

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Yes which is why I find that training of the user is important, so they can actually convey to me what exactly happened. One stands a better chance then. but sadly the mantra of the trainer of VIPS is, noon worry about what this does, as its not important etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason White via Groups.Io" <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed


I would argue that providing technical support is an under-valued profession. I've encountered technical support staff who clearly don't know enough to solve my problem, and if they did know, unfortunately they would be in a "better" (more prestigious, more highly paid, etc.) job elsewhere.

In the commercial hardware and software world, the usual solution is to have multiple layers of technical support, so that the easy cases can be dealt with at the lower levels and the harder cases escalated upward. In my experience, this often doesn't work well if you have one of the harder cases. I don't know whether anyone has developed a model that works effectively and which can scale.

Community support (as with free and open-source software projects) can be very effective in practice, as this and similar mailing lists have shown over the years. The more that the user knows, of course, the more benefits tend to be gained.

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Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

I'm keeping away from this subject in case anyone was wondering. I help out people local to me. In the main its a voice call or a quick visit in the main. Nine times out of ten its faulty training or lack of training by others that are the issue.
Also however I have to give credit where it is due. A much maligned company here in the UK for simply selling boxes, called PC World have always gone the extra mile for most people who have encountered problems due to their naivety or disability. They did a telephone restore of a system for a friend of mine recently and managed to get the screenreader working as well.
It really depends on the quality of the tech person obviously.

I myself have not used the remote system for nvda in anger and would not feel happy about doing so without a lot of testing first, mainly due to my own shortcomings.
Tech support is not easy. Its a bit like solving a criminal case. You often get bad or no info about what happened and have to somehow deduce the best way to proceed to preserve data etc.
So when people do say tech support is expensive, yes it is if its any good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed


I'm not planning to offer such a service. I was saying that just because
NVDA is free, that that doesn't mean that technical support should be
assumed to be free. Some people may offer free support and some may offer
paid support. But unless this is discussed, people may assume that everyone
is discussing a free support system because NVDA is free.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pascal Lambert
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed


Hi All,

Gene’s offer is a sound one. I will be the first one to take advantage of
it. Please let me know when will you start offering your service.

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed



That's hardly the first suggestion on this list and I doubt on other lists.
At times, this suggestion is made because people don't know the answer or
because some problems are difficult to solve by back and forth messages by
e-mail. Someone remoting into the computer may solve some kinds of problems
much faster and perhaps problems that wouldn't be solved on lists either
because of lack of knowledge or the difficulty in solving some problems by
exchanging messages.



But since peoples' experiences, as they report them, vary widely when they
call, evidently some techs are competent and some aren't, I would caution
people that it is better to ask about a problem here first and, those who
know enough, when they call the disability line, should have the tech tell
them what is going to be done so that if something doesn't sound correct, it
can be not approved.



But I was talking about technical support offered by the NVDA community in
some way, in my last message. I enjoy answering questions and solving
things on lists. If I had something like a shift, where I received phone
calls for a certain number of hours a day, that would be more like a job and
I might want to be paid for it. Because of possible limitations in
finances, I might not ask to be paid nearly what my services would be worth,
but I might still want to be paid something, five or seven dollars an hour
and that would be a very cheap price, considering how much good technical
support is worth. That's not even minimum wage in the United States.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 6:48 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed



I agree. Trying to trouble shoot things regardless of what screen reader on
any version of WIN is the NO.1 priority. The number one song ahem suggestion
as of late here and on the WIN 10 year has been call the MS disability help
desk. It seems like that’s the first thing as of late that gets spouted off
the mouth. This is my chief complaint. Its getting old. That’s why their
lists like this. Somebody is bound to know the answers to XYZZ question.
Help desk or taking PC or laptop in to a local shop should be a last resort.



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From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 3:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed



Perhaps, but a fundamental question as barely been discussed, if at all.
NVDA is free. Does that mean services related to it should be free and to
what extent? If you are going to expect someone to do something like a job,
that is, sit around and wait for calls a certain number of hours a day, some
people might be willing to do that. That doesn't mean that it is reasonable
to assume that enough people will be willing to do so to build a corps of
enough people around the world. Knowing how to teach and troubleshoot well
are valuable skills and, depending on the problems presented, the solutions
or what is taught may take time and effort. Why would peoples' skills and
knowledge be assumed to be available for free? That devalues both. I enjoy
writing instructions and helping with problems on an e-mail list where I
control what I write and how often and when I look at list mail when I want.
Sitting Waiting for a phone to ring, being at the call of anyone who decides
to call at any time for a number of hours a day, is a lot more like work,
at least to me.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: brian

Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:59 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed



Why don't we use trained volunteers who would have to pass a
certification and let them wait by the phone or skype for tech support.
People who are advanced users of nvda could be people who could do this.
This would give blind people who don't have anything to do somthing to do.

Brian Sackrider


On 12/23/2017 2:36 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm how would one go about doing this.

Firstly you would need some way to handle this.

I guess if it was all done via skype it could be done but I certainly
do not have time to sit round on a waiting for calls on nvda.

For mail ie email we have this list for global support and the tech
lists at least in new zealand do handle nvda questions and issues if
they get posted there.

There is the blind organisation I am in and they have an accessibility
centre of sorts that covers all support I suspose nvda to but who knows.

Its an organisation so like all of them they want you to use jaws but
who knows a lot of that has changed a lot.




On 24/12/2017 8:22 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having
some kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA...
by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list
is support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run
which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support
call centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its
not a full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not
sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for
nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and
dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of
us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support
for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and
email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is
always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my
students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt
NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself
through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my
student and implementing it with his school work. We have found
what works one day does not always work the next day. What has been
frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on
the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have
very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and
work with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum
extends beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency
with support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student
and it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt
NVDA but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to
brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not
make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the
future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




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Re: outlook question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think they're talking about the email client.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] outlook question

Wondering about outlook. Sorry, but I've not paid attension to the outlook
discussion here. Is this a web-based mail service or a local mail client?
Years ago, I used outlook as part of office 97, office 2000, and office
2003. At that time, I thought that a standalone outlook was something you
had to purchase.

Since "big brother" won't let me use outlook express any more--and NVDA
worked so well with it, I need to start learning something else. Maybe
outlook is the one.

Thanks.

Howard


Re: Eric Clapton

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

Mistake. Sorry.
 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 8:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eric Clapton
 

This has nothing to do with NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 5:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eric Clapton

 

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