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Re: Another Wording Question

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

This is a pop-up dialog generated by the browser, in this case Internet Explorer. It is the browser the software guarantees will work so it is the interface described in the software’s help section. I’m not aware of any way to tell IE how to code its self-generated pop-up.

 

Thank you for understanding and confirming that different screen readers will read it differently. I wasn’t sure until I asked.

 

Tonea Morrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:37 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

 

Joseph lee's message raises a question I've wondered about a bit now and then.  If it can gbe described to the layman without unreasonable effort, I've wondered why a screen-reader might read a control one way and another screen-reader read it with different wording.  Until perhaps a year ago, I had assumed that controls all had readable text and that screen-readers would read them all the same, but an earlier comment from Joseph and a variation I observed on a button caused me to realize that screen-readers don't necessarily speak the same things.  So how do screen-readers know how to read controls and why are there differences? 

 

For example, on the Send Space home page, the button that opens the select file to upload dialog is read as "browse".  Chrome reads it as something like "choose file".  So evidently, this button is not labeled with text but is recognized as a category or function control.  I'm not sure if I'm expressing it as clearly as I might but I think it's understandable.

In the specific help page being asked about, can these controls be labeled with text or alt text so they will all be read the same regardless of screen-reader?

Gene

 


Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Dan Beaver
 

The page doesn't seem blank but all NVDA will read is the search banner.  At least that is all the words it reads.


I can't tab away from it or move away using any other keys.


My wife says the page is there but I can't get to it.


Dan Beaver


On 12/29/2017 1:48 PM, Gene wrote:
What happens when you use Chrome?  Is there anything readable or does the page appear blank?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Yes, Firefox works fine, it is just when using Chrome.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 12/29/2017 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hm. I use the site with Firefox with no problems, or at least I did until recently (haven’t visited in a few weeks). Maybe I’ll give chrome a shot and see what happens.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: December 29, 2017 11:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

 

Hi,

 

When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems.  It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.

 

I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue.  No warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.

 

Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?

 

Dan Beaver




Re: Another Wording Question

Gene
 

I just checked and Chrome reads the button with the phrase "choose files".  Your explanation makes more sense than my guess and its simpler.  I had wondered if there were certain generic buttons that meant certain things and that screen-readers might express the meanings differently.  But, as I said, your explanation makes more sense.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

I just went to https://www.sendspace.com/ and looked at the HTML source for
the page.

Assuming you meant that Chrome reads the button as "Upload file", I think I can
see the reason why - the HTML source for this button contains the actual text
(shown on the screen) as "Browse" but the HTML "input" tag contains the ID
string "upload_file":

<a class="button">
<input type="file" id="upload_file" name="upload_file[]" class="file" size="1"
multiple />
<button class="sbtn" onclick="$('#upload_file').trigger('click');return
false">Browse</button>
</a>

I suspect this is why different browsers and/or screenreader combinations can
give different results - they're paying attention to different parts of the
underlying HTML.


Antony.

On Friday 29 December 2017 at 19:36:39, Gene wrote:

> Joseph lee's message raises a question I've wondered about a bit now and
> then.  If it can gbe described to the layman without unreasonable effort,
> I've wondered why a screen-reader might read a control one way and another
> screen-reader read it with different wording.  Until perhaps a year ago, I
> had assumed that controls all had readable text and that screen-readers
> would read them all the same, but an earlier comment from Joseph and a
> variation I observed on a button caused me to realize that screen-readers
> don't necessarily speak the same things.  So how do screen-readers know
> how to read controls and why are there differences?
>
> For example, on the Send Space home page, the button that opens the select
> file to upload dialog is read as "browse".  Chrome reads it as something
> like "choose file".  So evidently, this button is not labeled with text
> but is recognized as a category or function control.  I'm not sure if I'm
> expressing it as clearly as I might but I think it's understandable.
>
> In the specific help page being asked about, can these controls be labeled
> with text or alt text so they will all be read the same regardless of
> screen-reader?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:22 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question
>
>
> I don't think there is exact wording that you need to worry about.  What
> you wrote is very understandable and whether the item would say close this
> window or just close, I think your explanation makes any reasonable
> working of the actual control fine.  for consistency, you might want to
> have the control say close this window since that's what you write in the
> description but as far as a prescribed wording, I doubt there is any.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:14 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question
>
>
> I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a
> common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would
> be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:
>
>
>
> When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A
> pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename
> from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close
> this Window.
>
>
>
> As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means
> "Close this Window". But, how does it read to you? Is it called "Close
> this Window" or what is it called by the screen reader?
>
>
>
> Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to
> Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words
> in my description.
>
>
>
> Thanks and sorry for the bother,
>
>
>
> Tonea

--
Bill Gates has personally assured the Spanish Academy that he will never allow
the upside-down question mark to disappear from Microsoft word-processing
programs, which must be reassuring for millions of Spanish-speaking people,
though just a piddling afterthought as far as he's concerned.

 - Lynne Truss, "Eats, Shoots and Leaves"

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Re: Another Wording Question

Marshall handheld Flax
 

I'd like to second Joseph's advice to actually install NVDA and see how it presents your application.  But in addition, as a sighted user you will probably want to do two things:

1. Install the "Focus Highlight" plugin -- it makes it *far* easier to visually see what NVDA is describing at any given point in time; and
2. Enable the "Speech Viewer" feature (under Tools in the NVDA menu) -- it shows everything going to the speech synthesizer, but it just appears in a scrolling window -- quite useful!

Marshall

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi Tonea,

What you wrote will work for most cases. However, because different apps have different ways of doing things with controls, a button may not fully convey what the user is supposed to do. In case of the save button, I cannot tell you how NVDA will say things unless you let a screen reader user take a look at it, and even then, different screen readers will say different things. This kind of thing is where practice is really needed, not just theories and guesswork, and for this reason, I’d like to once again strongly suggest that your employer let you test NVDA.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question

 

I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

 

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.

 

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means “Close this Window”. But, how does it read to you? Is it called “Close this Window” or what is it called by the screen reader?

 

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.

 

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

 

Tonea



Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Gene
 

What happens when you use Chrome?  Is there anything readable or does the page appear blank?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Yes, Firefox works fine, it is just when using Chrome.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 12/29/2017 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hm. I use the site with Firefox with no problems, or at least I did until recently (haven’t visited in a few weeks). Maybe I’ll give chrome a shot and see what happens.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: December 29, 2017 11:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

 

Hi,

 

When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems.  It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.

 

I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue.  No warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.

 

Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?

 

Dan Beaver



Re: Another Wording Question

Antony Stone
 

I just went to https://www.sendspace.com/ and looked at the HTML source for
the page.

Assuming you meant that Chrome reads the button as "Upload file", I think I can
see the reason why - the HTML source for this button contains the actual text
(shown on the screen) as "Browse" but the HTML "input" tag contains the ID
string "upload_file":

<a class="button">
<input type="file" id="upload_file" name="upload_file[]" class="file" size="1"
multiple />
<button class="sbtn" onclick="$('#upload_file').trigger('click');return
false">Browse</button>
</a>

I suspect this is why different browsers and/or screenreader combinations can
give different results - they're paying attention to different parts of the
underlying HTML.


Antony.

On Friday 29 December 2017 at 19:36:39, Gene wrote:

Joseph lee's message raises a question I've wondered about a bit now and
then. If it can gbe described to the layman without unreasonable effort,
I've wondered why a screen-reader might read a control one way and another
screen-reader read it with different wording. Until perhaps a year ago, I
had assumed that controls all had readable text and that screen-readers
would read them all the same, but an earlier comment from Joseph and a
variation I observed on a button caused me to realize that screen-readers
don't necessarily speak the same things. So how do screen-readers know
how to read controls and why are there differences?

For example, on the Send Space home page, the button that opens the select
file to upload dialog is read as "browse". Chrome reads it as something
like "choose file". So evidently, this button is not labeled with text
but is recognized as a category or function control. I'm not sure if I'm
expressing it as clearly as I might but I think it's understandable.

In the specific help page being asked about, can these controls be labeled
with text or alt text so they will all be read the same regardless of
screen-reader?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question


I don't think there is exact wording that you need to worry about. What
you wrote is very understandable and whether the item would say close this
window or just close, I think your explanation makes any reasonable
working of the actual control fine. for consistency, you might want to
have the control say close this window since that's what you write in the
description but as far as a prescribed wording, I doubt there is any.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question


I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a
common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would
be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:



When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A
pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename
from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close
this Window.



As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means
"Close this Window". But, how does it read to you? Is it called "Close
this Window" or what is it called by the screen reader?



Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to
Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words
in my description.



Thanks and sorry for the bother,



Tonea
--
Bill Gates has personally assured the Spanish Academy that he will never allow
the upside-down question mark to disappear from Microsoft word-processing
programs, which must be reassuring for millions of Spanish-speaking people,
though just a piddling afterthought as far as he's concerned.

- Lynne Truss, "Eats, Shoots and Leaves"

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Another Wording Question

Gene
 

Joseph lee's message raises a question I've wondered about a bit now and then.  If it can gbe described to the layman without unreasonable effort, I've wondered why a screen-reader might read a control one way and another screen-reader read it with different wording.  Until perhaps a year ago, I had assumed that controls all had readable text and that screen-readers would read them all the same, but an earlier comment from Joseph and a variation I observed on a button caused me to realize that screen-readers don't necessarily speak the same things.  So how do screen-readers know how to read controls and why are there differences? 
 
For example, on the Send Space home page, the button that opens the select file to upload dialog is read as "browse".  Chrome reads it as something like "choose file".  So evidently, this button is not labeled with text but is recognized as a category or function control.  I'm not sure if I'm expressing it as clearly as I might but I think it's understandable.
 
In the specific help page being asked about, can these controls be labeled with text or alt text so they will all be read the same regardless of screen-reader?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

I don't think there is exact wording that you need to worry about.  What you wrote is very understandable and whether the item would say close this window or just close, I think your explanation makes any reasonable working of the actual control fine.  for consistency, you might want to have the control say close this window since that's what you write in the description but as far as a prescribed wording, I doubt there is any.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question

I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

 

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.

 

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means “Close this Window”. But, how does it read to you? Is it called “Close this Window” or what is it called by the screen reader?

 

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.

 

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

 

Tonea


Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Dan Beaver
 

Yes, Firefox works fine, it is just when using Chrome.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 12/29/2017 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hm. I use the site with Firefox with no problems, or at least I did until recently (haven’t visited in a few weeks). Maybe I’ll give chrome a shot and see what happens.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: December 29, 2017 11:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

 

Hi,

 

When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems.  It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.

 

I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue.  No warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.

 

Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?

 

Dan Beaver



Re: Another Wording Question

Gene
 

I don't think there is exact wording that you need to worry about.  What you wrote is very understandable and whether the item would say close this window or just close, I think your explanation makes any reasonable working of the actual control fine.  for consistency, you might want to have the control say close this window since that's what you write in the description but as far as a prescribed wording, I doubt there is any.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question

I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

 

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.

 

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means “Close this Window”. But, how does it read to you? Is it called “Close this Window” or what is it called by the screen reader?

 

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.

 

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

 

Tonea


Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hm. I use the site with Firefox with no problems, or at least I did until recently (haven’t visited in a few weeks). Maybe I’ll give chrome a shot and see what happens.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: December 29, 2017 11:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

 

Hi,

 

When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems.  It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.

 

I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue.  No warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.

 

Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?

 

Dan Beaver


Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Big companies fight.

It would be interesting who wins or not.

On 30/12/2017 5:39 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Since the current war between Amazon and google broke out it seems that the idea is to stop Amazon tablets viewing Youtube, but now Amazon has a version of Firrefox it can use to get around it. Whether any of these stupid things are affecting the system who knows.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Edhoari Setiyoso" <edhoari.s@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program


You could try this software (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/)

I use it for couple of years without problems. Only when google made
modifications on youtube then I need to update it.


On 29-Dec-17 4:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that this program is no longer in development so the chance
of an update may be remote.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

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*Sent: *29 December 2017 08:35
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever
wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@gmail.com>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any
problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download
starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What
should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be
converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Hi All,

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several
years. But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and
auto

download into the music folder. I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from DVDVideoSoft in the
new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05. However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself. The menus are rather unaccessible.

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work
with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

--
Best Regards

Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com




NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems.  It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.


I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue.  No warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.


Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?


Dan Beaver


Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Since the current war between Amazon and google broke out it seems that the idea is to stop Amazon tablets viewing Youtube, but now Amazon has a version of Firrefox it can use to get around it. Whether any of these stupid things are affecting the system who knows.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Edhoari Setiyoso" <edhoari.s@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program


You could try this software (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/)

I use it for couple of years without problems. Only when google made
modifications on youtube then I need to update it.


On 29-Dec-17 4:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that this program is no longer in development so the chance
of an update may be remote.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

*From: *Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
*Sent: *29 December 2017 08:35
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever
wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk

Sent via blueyonder.

Please address personal email to:-

briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@gmail.com>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any
problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download
starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What
should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be
converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Hi All,

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several
years. But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and
auto

download into the music folder. I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from DVDVideoSoft in the
new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05. However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself. The menus are rather unaccessible.

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work
with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

--
Best Regards

Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com


Re: NVDA next snapshot

 

Hi,
We need a log fragment please.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 8:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA next snapshot

Running the latest next snapshot of NVDA on a Win 10 system. Every time I open a web site using Chrome I get the NVDA error sound. Is this normal?


Re: Another Wording Question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Really, this is hard. Why cannot these buttons simply have close, save and whatever on them?
I mean that would then solve the issue as long as it was text nvda and other readers can read it.
Most sites seem to cope this way but some just say button button button or some complex internal file name of a graphic or some other strange pointless info.
I see no reason why your employer cannot supply even an old machine not on the network but capable of viewing the web site or whatever so you can test things. There is no point trying to do accessibility if one of the major tools we use is missing from your toolbox!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:14 PM
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question


I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means "Close this Window". But, how does it read to you? Is it called "Close this Window" or what is it called by the screen reader?

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

Tonea


NVDA next snapshot

Don H
 

Running the latest next snapshot of NVDA on a Win 10 system. Every time I open a web site using Chrome I get the NVDA error sound. Is this normal?


Re: Another Wording Question

 

Hi Tonea,

What you wrote will work for most cases. However, because different apps have different ways of doing things with controls, a button may not fully convey what the user is supposed to do. In case of the save button, I cannot tell you how NVDA will say things unless you let a screen reader user take a look at it, and even then, different screen readers will say different things. This kind of thing is where practice is really needed, not just theories and guesswork, and for this reason, I’d like to once again strongly suggest that your employer let you test NVDA.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question

 

I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

 

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.

 

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means “Close this Window”. But, how does it read to you? Is it called “Close this Window” or what is it called by the screen reader?

 

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.

 

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

 

Tonea


Another Wording Question

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

 

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.

 

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means “Close this Window”. But, how does it read to you? Is it called “Close this Window” or what is it called by the screen reader?

 

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.

 

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

 

Tonea


Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Edhoari Setiyoso
 

Hi David,

You're right that we need command prompt to execute it.

  • Download the exe to a folder. Here's the download link https://yt-dl.org/latest/youtube-dl.exe
  • Open cmd.exe and navigate to folder where youtube-dl.exe located
  • Execute the command to retrieve all available format (Note that we use capital F)
    • youtube-dl.exe -F [youtube_url_you_want_to_download]
  • The software will download metadata containing available the format you wanted. There'll be multiple options to choose. We even can download audio only file.
  • Then execute similar command to download media file that you wan (we use small f lerter here)
    • youtube-dl.exe -f [format_code] [youtube_url_you_want_to_download]

Example to download full HD video (format code 22) from nvaccess:

youtube-dl.exe -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE
youtube-dl.exe -f 22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE

Note
  • Add location where we save youtube-dl.exe to system environment PATH in order to access it from anywhere
  • If you add playlist URL, it will download all the videos
  • If the program unable to download, perhaps google made another modifications. Just download the new version and it should work.
  • The good thing of command line is that NVDA works really well with it

If you need help, you may contact me

skype : edhoari.s

email : edhoari.s@...


On 29-Dec-17 5:08 PM, David Griffith wrote:

 

Is there any clue as to how to use it?

The documentation seems to assume you have a  degree in programming.

A basic set  of instrukctions for a Windows  User would be very useful.

It appears that you need to run it from a command prompt but how to do this and where to put the program to achieve this, and if possible an example of how to use it  would be great.

I don’t  know if this exists anywhere.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: 29 December 2017 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

You could try this software (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/)

I use it for couple of years without problems. Only when google made modifications on youtube then I need to update it.

 

On 29-Dec-17 4:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that this program  is no longer in development so the chance of  an update may be remote.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 December 2017 08:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

 

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

 

 

 

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From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years.  But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto

download into the music folder.    I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from  DVDVideoSoft  in the new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

 

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05.  However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself.  The menus are rather unaccessible.

 

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

 

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



-- 
Best Regards
 
Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com

 


-- 
Best Regards

Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com


Re: Speak passwords add-on

Gene
 

The add ons page says that the activity of the add on is controled by the speak character setting.  When planning to use an add on, you should read all information about it on the page. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 11:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Speak passwords add-on

Sorry about my ignorance: I had to set echo to characters in order to
make the add-on work and now it is really great to hear all my passwords!

happy new Year to all and thank you again for the tireless work you do
for us!

Best

Angela From Italy