Date   

need recommendation for a drive cloning software.

Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
 

hi all.
i have a laptop and a old spinning hard drive 500gb.
now i want to go to an ssd.
so i need suggestion on drive cloning software.
what i want to do is connect the ssd drive via usb i have a sata to usb adaptor.
then clone directly from old drive to new drive.


Re: Using Win10's Mail App

Robert Mendoza
 

Out of curiosity I tested awhile ago for the first time the Mail apps to my Windows 10 machine, I noticed when opening the mentioned apps took me so long to loads or open. Though, I never had experience this to other third-party applications like Thunderbird, and etc. Or, is this really normal as it was supposed to be?Again, this happen although none application is running in the background. I am currently using a Dual Core processor 5th generation with 4GB RAM. Not sure what exactly could cause of this. I appreciate your advice. Thanks.


Robert Mendoza

On 12/30/2017 10:39 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Pauline,

David Moore has a great tutorial on how to use the mail app. It also covers the calendar and the people app.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using Win10's Mail App

Good Evening,

Are any instructions for using Win10's Mail app with NVDA? Thanks and an early wish for a happy new year.

Pauline







why in screen review I can't find the text I found in object review

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi all.

In the logon screen or in the configuration’s screens for example, if I use the object review, nvda find many itens and read their text. But if I switch to screen review, nvda doesn’t find any thing.

I did the same tests with narrator. If I press space + capslock, it creates a kind of review mode with the screen text.

Is it a nvda’s bug?

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Brian's Mail list account
 

I think then, maybe you need to file a bug on Chrome here.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Beaver" <dbeaver888@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com


Yes, Firefox works fine, it is just when using Chrome.




Thanks.




Dan Beaver




On 12/29/2017 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hm. I use the site with Firefox with no problems, or at least I did until recently (haven’t visited in a few weeks). Maybe I’ll give chrome a shot and see what happens.

Â

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: December 29, 2017 11:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Â

Hi,

Â

When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems. It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.

Â

I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue. No warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.

Â

Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?

Â

Dan Beaver




Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Brian's Mail list account
 

Be specific about the web address, in case its different for different places in the world. also have you tried other browsers to see what they do?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Beaver" <dbeaver888@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com


Hi,




When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems. It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.




I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue. No warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.





Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?




Dan Beaver



Re: NVDA next snapshot

Brian's Mail list account
 

They would need to know which version of Chrome it is and of course set the log to debug and grab a copy of the offending bit and post it, not all of it, not here at any rate!


Also what other add ons are in play and is the hardware pretty standard or is there something specific that might otherwise be the issue. Also of course the version of Windows 10 on the machine.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA next snapshot


Running the latest next snapshot of NVDA on a Win 10 system. Every time I open a web site using Chrome I get the NVDA error sound. Is this normal?



Re: Answering yes in the windows 10 games bar

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually there is a toggle that will let you record the game but I can't remember what it is. I think it's windows alt g and windows alt r to start and stop recording for upto an hour I think is what you can set that to.

Take care

On Dec 28, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I am trying to use the windows 10 games bar to record what is on my screen.
When I hit windows+g, I am asked if the current screen is a game. NVDA reads
the question to me but I am unable to answer it because the question
disappears. Is there a way of handling this?

Pranav




Re: Using Win10's Mail App

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If you go to the following link off my website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

Then jump down by headings until you get to the windows 10 mail app section there is a tutorial which was created by David.


Hope it helps.


Gene nz



On 12/30/2017 2:43 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
Good Evening,

Are any instructions for using Win10's Mail app with NVDA?  Thanks and an early wish for a happy new year.

Pauline





--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Another Wording Question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Tonea,

 

I believe NVDA just says "close". I like the description you wrote for the help file you're trying to create.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question

 

I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

 

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.

 

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means “Close this Window”. But, how does it read to you? Is it called “Close this Window” or what is it called by the screen reader?

 

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.

 

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

 

Tonea


Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

特種兵
 


  yes, it-'s very easy and useful tools to download youtube.
  thank Edhoari.

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Edhoari Setiyoso 於 2017/12/29 下午 10:18 寫道:

Hi David,

You're right that we need command prompt to execute it.

  • Download the exe to a folder. Here's the download link https://yt-dl.org/latest/youtube-dl.exe
  • Open cmd.exe and navigate to folder where youtube-dl.exe located
  • Execute the command to retrieve all available format (Note that we use capital F)
    • youtube-dl.exe -F [youtube_url_you_want_to_download]
  • The software will download metadata containing available the format you wanted. There'll be multiple options to choose. We even can download audio only file.
  • Then execute similar command to download media file that you wan (we use small f lerter here)
    • youtube-dl.exe -f [format_code] [youtube_url_you_want_to_download]

Example to download full HD video (format code 22) from nvaccess:

youtube-dl.exe -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE
youtube-dl.exe -f 22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE

Note
  • Add location where we save youtube-dl.exe to system environment PATH in order to access it from anywhere
  • If you add playlist URL, it will download all the videos
  • If the program unable to download, perhaps google made another modifications. Just download the new version and it should work.
  • The good thing of command line is that NVDA works really well with it

If you need help, you may contact me

skype : edhoari.s

email : edhoari.s@...


On 29-Dec-17 5:08 PM, David Griffith wrote:

 

Is there any clue as to how to use it?

The documentation seems to assume you have a  degree in programming.

A basic set  of instrukctions for a Windows  User would be very useful.

It appears that you need to run it from a command prompt but how to do this and where to put the program to achieve this, and if possible an example of how to use it  would be great.

I don’t  know if this exists anywhere.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: 29 December 2017 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

You could try this software (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/)

I use it for couple of years without problems. Only when google made modifications on youtube then I need to update it.

 

On 29-Dec-17 4:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that this program  is no longer in development so the chance of  an update may be remote.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 December 2017 08:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

 

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years.  But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto

download into the music folder.    I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from  DVDVideoSoft  in the new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

 

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05.  However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself.  The menus are rather unaccessible.

 

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

 

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com

 


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Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com


Re: Using Win10's Mail App

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Pauline,

David Moore has a great tutorial on how to use the mail app. It also covers the calendar and the people app.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using Win10's Mail App

Good Evening,

Are any instructions for using Win10's Mail app with NVDA? Thanks and an early wish for a happy new year.

Pauline


Using Win10's Mail App

Pauline Smith <paulinesmithh@...>
 

Good Evening,

Are any instructions for using Win10's Mail app with NVDA?  Thanks and an early wish for a happy new year.

Pauline


Re: outlook contacts question

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Anthony,

I am using windows 10 1709. I have 164 contacts in my list. I get about 5
contacts before nvda stops speaking. It doesn't crash.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook contacts question

Firstly, what is "the latest windows"?

When you say "it only goes so far", how far does it go?

Are you saying it reads 5 entries, 50 entries, 500 entries...?

Secondly, how many contacts do you have in the list?

Finally, what do you do to get NVDA speaking again? Is it sufficient to
switch to another application, or does it need restarting, or do you need to
close Outlook, or what?


Antony.

On Saturday 30 December 2017 at 01:36:48, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I just started using outlook 2016. I am using the latest windows and
nvda.
When I go into my contacts list and I arrow down it only goes so far
and nvda doesn't speak. Is this normal behavior? Can this be fixed?
Thanks for any help.

Regards, Gary kn4ox
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Re: outlook contacts question

Antony Stone
 

Firstly, what is "the latest windows"?

When you say "it only goes so far", how far does it go?

Are you saying it reads 5 entries, 50 entries, 500 entries...?

Secondly, how many contacts do you have in the list?

Finally, what do you do to get NVDA speaking again? Is it sufficient to switch
to another application, or does it need restarting, or do you need to close
Outlook, or what?


Antony.

On Saturday 30 December 2017 at 01:36:48, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I just started using outlook 2016. I am using the latest windows and nvda.
When I go into my contacts list and I arrow down it only goes so far and
nvda doesn't speak. Is this normal behavior? Can this be fixed? Thanks
for any help.

Regards, Gary kn4ox
--
She did not swoon, but she did get a look on her face that said 'This
conversation is over', which Jack took as a sign he was going in the right
direction.

- Neal Stephenson, Quicksilver

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


outlook contacts question

Gary Metzler
 

Hi All,

 

I just started using outlook 2016.  I am using the latest windows and nvda.  When I go into my contacts list and I arrow down it only goes so far and nvda doesn’t speak.  Is this normal behavior?  Can this be fixed?  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Another Wording Question

Marshall handheld Flax
 

Glad my suggestions were useful. And I'm even more glad that NVDA fits into everyone's budget!

Marshall

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, <tonea.ctr.morrow@...> wrote:

Ohh! That’s wonderful information! I work in a cubicle area. I’ve already had one person arrange to move to be seated somewhere else because my work generates too much noise (I have to listen to audio recordings and type out records). I use a headset, but the option to turn the audio off and watch a scrolling text feed would be great for me. I can really see how the focus highlight would be helpful too.

 

Bureaucracy moves at its own pace. No one is opposed to my having a screen reader. That should be clear. However, it first has to be on the approved software list (still waiting on a response) and then within the budget.

 

Also, if they are going to give it to one, then how many other people need it as well? Could the same result be obtained for more people with a different package? For example, some software packages offer to scan your work and check for 508 compliance. Which one would be fiscally more responsible: software that does the work for your people or software that allows you to think for yourself? So, no one is opposed to my using a screen reader, they just haven’t decided yet on how to address 508 for everyone’s work.

 

It is easy to say that I should have one package and someone else should have another, but that creates nightmares for IT departments. They need everyone to have the same software and to have as little software as possible. Otherwise, the support requirements get excessive at an exponential rate.

 

Thus, my letters here will help me support why I need a screen-reading software package. And, until Bureaucracy can decide on what the whole needs, they won’t look at what I need. The new rules don’t go into effect until January 18th. Give the system time. My questions have already started the conversation. I just have to wait for people to think about it.

 

Tonea

 

----- Original Message -----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marshall handheld Flax

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:55 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

 

I'd like to second Joseph's advice to actually install NVDA and see how it presents your application.  But in addition, as a sighted user you will probably want to do two things:

 

1. Install the "Focus Highlight" plugin -- it makes it *far* easier to visually see what NVDA is describing at any given point in time; and

2. Enable the "Speech Viewer" feature (under Tools in the NVDA menu) -- it shows everything going to the speech synthesizer, but it just appears in a scrolling window -- quite useful!

 

Marshall



Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

David Griffith
 

 

Many thanks  afor this.

I will give it a go

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: 29 December 2017 14:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi David,

You're right that we need command prompt to execute it.

  • Download the exe to a folder. Here's the download link https://yt-dl.org/latest/youtube-dl.exe
  • Open cmd.exe and navigate to folder where youtube-dl.exe located
  • Execute the command to retrieve all available format (Note that we use capital F)
    • youtube-dl.exe -F [youtube_url_you_want_to_download]
  • The software will download metadata containing available the format you wanted. There'll be multiple options to choose. We even can download audio only file.
  • Then execute similar command to download media file that you wan (we use small f lerter here)
    • youtube-dl.exe -f [format_code] [youtube_url_you_want_to_download]


Example to download full HD video (format code 22) from nvaccess:

youtube-dl.exe -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE
youtube-dl.exe -f 22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE

Note

  • Add location where we save youtube-dl.exe to system environment PATH in order to access it from anywhere
  • If you add playlist URL, it will download all the videos
  • If the program unable to download, perhaps google made another modifications. Just download the new version and it should work.
  • The good thing of command line is that NVDA works really well with it

If you need help, you may contact me

skype : edhoari.s

email : edhoari.s@...

 

On 29-Dec-17 5:08 PM, David Griffith wrote:

 

Is there any clue as to how to use it?

The documentation seems to assume you have a  degree in programming.

A basic set  of instrukctions for a Windows  User would be very useful.

It appears that you need to run it from a command prompt but how to do this and where to put the program to achieve this, and if possible an example of how to use it  would be great.

I don’t  know if this exists anywhere.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: 29 December 2017 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

You could try this software (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/)

I use it for couple of years without problems. Only when google made modifications on youtube then I need to update it.

 

On 29-Dec-17 4:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that this program  is no longer in development so the chance of  an update may be remote.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 December 2017 08:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

 

bglists@...

Sent via blueyonder.

Please address personal email to:-

briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

 

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years.  But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto

download into the music folder.    I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from  DVDVideoSoft  in the new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

 

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05.  However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself.  The menus are rather unaccessible.

 

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

 

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




-- 
Best Regards
 
Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com

 



-- 
Best Regards
 
Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com

 


Re: Another Wording Question

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

Ohh! That’s wonderful information! I work in a cubicle area. I’ve already had one person arrange to move to be seated somewhere else because my work generates too much noise (I have to listen to audio recordings and type out records). I use a headset, but the option to turn the audio off and watch a scrolling text feed would be great for me. I can really see how the focus highlight would be helpful too.

 

Bureaucracy moves at its own pace. No one is opposed to my having a screen reader. That should be clear. However, it first has to be on the approved software list (still waiting on a response) and then within the budget.

 

Also, if they are going to give it to one, then how many other people need it as well? Could the same result be obtained for more people with a different package? For example, some software packages offer to scan your work and check for 508 compliance. Which one would be fiscally more responsible: software that does the work for your people or software that allows you to think for yourself? So, no one is opposed to my using a screen reader, they just haven’t decided yet on how to address 508 for everyone’s work.

 

It is easy to say that I should have one package and someone else should have another, but that creates nightmares for IT departments. They need everyone to have the same software and to have as little software as possible. Otherwise, the support requirements get excessive at an exponential rate.

 

Thus, my letters here will help me support why I need a screen-reading software package. And, until Bureaucracy can decide on what the whole needs, they won’t look at what I need. The new rules don’t go into effect until January 18th. Give the system time. My questions have already started the conversation. I just have to wait for people to think about it.

 

Tonea

 

----- Original Message -----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marshall handheld Flax

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:55 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

 

I'd like to second Joseph's advice to actually install NVDA and see how it presents your application.  But in addition, as a sighted user you will probably want to do two things:

 

1. Install the "Focus Highlight" plugin -- it makes it *far* easier to visually see what NVDA is describing at any given point in time; and

2. Enable the "Speech Viewer" feature (under Tools in the NVDA menu) -- it shows everything going to the speech synthesizer, but it just appears in a scrolling window -- quite useful!

 

Marshall


Re: Another Wording Question

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

This is a pop-up dialog generated by the browser, in this case Internet Explorer. It is the browser the software guarantees will work so it is the interface described in the software’s help section. I’m not aware of any way to tell IE how to code its self-generated pop-up.

 

Thank you for understanding and confirming that different screen readers will read it differently. I wasn’t sure until I asked.

 

Tonea Morrow

 

----- Original Message -----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:37 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

 

Joseph lee's message raises a question I've wondered about a bit now and then.  If it can gbe described to the layman without unreasonable effort, I've wondered why a screen-reader might read a control one way and another screen-reader read it with different wording.  Until perhaps a year ago, I had assumed that controls all had readable text and that screen-readers would read them all the same, but an earlier comment from Joseph and a variation I observed on a button caused me to realize that screen-readers don't necessarily speak the same things.  So how do screen-readers know how to read controls and why are there differences? 

 

For example, on the Send Space home page, the button that opens the select file to upload dialog is read as "browse".  Chrome reads it as something like "choose file".  So evidently, this button is not labeled with text but is recognized as a category or function control.  I'm not sure if I'm expressing it as clearly as I might but I think it's understandable.

In the specific help page being asked about, can these controls be labeled with text or alt text so they will all be read the same regardless of screen-reader?

Gene

 


Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Dan Beaver
 

The page doesn't seem blank but all NVDA will read is the search banner.  At least that is all the words it reads.


I can't tab away from it or move away using any other keys.


My wife says the page is there but I can't get to it.


Dan Beaver


On 12/29/2017 1:48 PM, Gene wrote:
What happens when you use Chrome?  Is there anything readable or does the page appear blank?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

Yes, Firefox works fine, it is just when using Chrome.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 12/29/2017 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hm. I use the site with Firefox with no problems, or at least I did until recently (haven’t visited in a few weeks). Maybe I’ll give chrome a shot and see what happens.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: December 29, 2017 11:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com

 

Hi,

 

When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems.  It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.

 

I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue.  No warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.

 

Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?

 

Dan Beaver