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Re: New add-on - IndentNav

 

Hi,
I'm forwarding this to the add-ons community in case someone is interested in using and/or reviewing it for inclusion in our website.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New add-on - IndentNav

Hi guys,


I just wrote my first NVDA add-on:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav


It solves two problems:

1. In browsers you can jump to paragraphs with the same horizontal offset. For example, it can be useful to read first-level comments on web-pages that present a hierarchical trees of comments, like reddit.
Now you can simply find the first comment and press NVDA+Alt+DownArrow to go to the next first-level comment.

2. While editing source code in many programming languages, it allows you to navigate by the indentation level. For example, you can move to previous/next lines with the same indentation level by pressing
NVDA+Alt+Up or DownArrow. You can also jump to a parent line or to first
child.


Please let me know if anyone finds it useful, or if you have any
suggestions.


Tony


Re: I'm dissappointed

MJW <matthewjwilliams101@...>
 

Could you perhaps offer any authority for your predictions?
I for one would be overjoyed if the requirements you cite were
enshrined in law and the average blind person didn't need the
equivalent knowledge of an IT specialist to order a can of beans
online.

On 02/01/2018, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip > This is one area where I disagree. Not that jaws has the features
or
that they are useful, but that they belong in NVDA. I believe that it
is the responsibility of developers to label their graphics and
controls, draw and class their windows and controls properly, and
build keyboard/touchscreen support for their apps properly. This is
increasingly required by law, imposed by societal change, taught as
programming best practice, and demonstrably beneficial beyond the
needs of disability communities. Unfortunately, it's not all there
yet, but within the next three years, it will become legally and
socially inacceptable to build software without regard for
accessibility standards, just as you wouldn't build out with no regard
for UI, performance, security, and other common standards and best
practices. I believe the development philosophy of NVDA is based on
this. A screen reader should read the screen, conveying the
information already provided in accessible format, doing as little
interpretation as possible.
PL] Eric, I agree with Sandra. Philosophy is ok in the long run but I have
to get work done now and will take the easiest path to do that work.
Compliance is never 100%. What about all the legacy applications enterprises
run? I need a solution for reading the screen and I see no problem in that
solution giving me information in a way that is easiest for me to consume.

Pranav





New add-on - IndentNav

Tony Malykh
 

Hi guys,


I just wrote my first NVDA add-on:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav


It solves two problems:

1. In browsers you can jump to paragraphs with the same horizontal offset. For example, it can be useful to read first-level comments on web-pages that present a hierarchical trees of comments, like reddit. Now you can simply find the first comment and press NVDA+Alt+DownArrow to go to the next first-level comment.

2. While editing source code in many programming languages, it allows you to navigate by the indentation level. For example, you can move to previous/next lines with the same indentation level by pressing NVDA+Alt+Up or DownArrow. You can also jump to a parent line or to first child.


Please let me know if anyone finds it useful, or if you have any suggestions.


Tony


Re: I'm dissappointed

Pranav Lal
 

<snip > This is one area where I disagree. Not that jaws has the features or
that they are useful, but that they belong in NVDA. I believe that it
is the responsibility of developers to label their graphics and
controls, draw and class their windows and controls properly, and
build keyboard/touchscreen support for their apps properly. This is
increasingly required by law, imposed by societal change, taught as
programming best practice, and demonstrably beneficial beyond the
needs of disability communities. Unfortunately, it's not all there
yet, but within the next three years, it will become legally and
socially inacceptable to build software without regard for
accessibility standards, just as you wouldn't build out with no regard
for UI, performance, security, and other common standards and best
practices. I believe the development philosophy of NVDA is based on
this. A screen reader should read the screen, conveying the
information already provided in accessible format, doing as little
interpretation as possible.
PL] Eric, I agree with Sandra. Philosophy is ok in the long run but I have to get work done now and will take the easiest path to do that work. Compliance is never 100%. What about all the legacy applications enterprises run? I need a solution for reading the screen and I see no problem in that solution giving me information in a way that is easiest for me to consume.

Pranav


Re: Answering yes in the windows 10 games bar

Pranav Lal
 

Thanks Sarah. Will the toggle work if I am unable to answer the initial
prompt?

Pranav


Re: why in screen review I can't find the text I found in object review

Adriani Botez
 

Hello,

 

this is rather the lack on improvement for screen review and not a bug. Generally, screen review with NVDA on Windows 10 does not work very well. See also Issue #7760 on Github:

 

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7760

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Alves Toco
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2017 13:58
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] why in screen review I can't find the text I found in object review

 

Hi all.

In the logon screen or in the configuration’s screens for example, if I use the object review, nvda find many itens and read their text. But if I switch to screen review, nvda doesn’t find any thing.

I did the same tests with narrator. If I press space + capslock, it creates a kind of review mode with the screen text.

Is it a nvda’s bug?

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: [nvda-addons] Automatic switch to coresponding braille output table

Adriani Botez
 

Dear André

 

I decided to include the other lists in my reply as well since this addon would impact lot of NVDA users. This addon is really wonderful and gives us a basis for the discussion which for example can be followed on github in NVDA issue #7848. Do you have a github profile?

 

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7848

 

Additionally, there are some restrictions regarding automatic recognition of braille output table and this led me to create another issue on Github in Liblouis, Issue #489:

 

https://github.com/liblouis/liblouis/issues/489

 

 

I have tested your wonderful addon, which by the way should definitely appear on NVDA’s addons website, and came to following result with respect to multiple braille output tables:

  1. I chose german 8 dot computer braille as first output table and turkish grade 1 as second output table. The specific letters for Turkish language are automatically displayed correctly. But NVDA takes other signs (i.e. capital letter) and displays both possibilities on the braille display (8 dot computer braille and grade 1). When I put the cursor on a capital letter, the letter is being displayed as if it is a small letter. When I move the cursor to the right, the capital letter is displayed with dots 4 and 6 for grade 1 and dot 7 for 8 dot computer braille. Moreover, the Turkish output table seems to contain signs for the beginning and the end of a line of text. Those signs are being displayed as well in corresponding grade 1 braille.
  2. I chose german 8 dot computer braille and French 8 dot computer braille. The French 8 dot computer braille seems to interpret the cursor position differently, because the cursor is being displayed on one braille cell before the sign which Is being spoken. Let’s say I move the system caret on g of the word “dog”, then the cursor on the braille display is on o and not on g. The german table put the braille cursor on g.

 

Conclusion:

As of now, multilingual texts are not intuitively readable by a simple user. Braille output tables have to be adjusted in such a way that for example a 8 dot computer braille standard is being created for all languages. That means, that i.e. fullstop is dot 6 or number two is dots 1, 2, 8 in all output tables.

Alternatively, you could add an option to this addon for choosing which output table has higher priority. For example if the german 8 dot computer braille output table has high priority, then signs like capital, fullstop, exclamation mark etc. are being recognized in 8 dot computer braille. If the Turkish grade 1 braille output table has low priority, then only turkish letters are being displayed in grade 1, all other things are displayed in 8 dot computer braille.

 

So, could you please add a priority option for output tables accordingly?

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: André-Abush Clause [mailto:listes@...]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27.
Dezember 2017 13:35
An: adriani.botez@...
Betreff: Re: [nvda-addons] Automatic switch to coresponding braille output table

 

Hello Adriani,

I'm contacting you regarding your post on NVDA-addons group.

I recently added the possibility to specify a secondary output braille table in my BrailleExtender addon. It is a first attempt. I suggest you test and tell me what you think.

In attachment, the development version of this addon.

To specify the secondary braille table, go to BrailleExtender submenu (in root of NVDA menu, then "settings" item, then reading tab.

 

Regards,

André

Le 08/12/2017 à 00:12, adriani.botez via Groups.Io a écrit :

Dear all,

If I have a text where german and russian words are combined, when i choose german output table the russian letters are shown as a combination of signs I cannot understand. On the other hand, if I switch the tables, the german letters are not being displayed correctly.

Is there a possibility to tell NVDA to automaically recognize the language and to choose the right table accordingly? Let's say I would restrict it to grade 1 or so.

The same for other languages.


Best
Adriani

 


Re: help wanted in porting espeak fixes over to windows

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

The two variants I found that are clear are Max and female 5.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 11:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help wanted in porting espeak fixes over to windows

Please do not insult things that others find fine.
It may be rubbish to you but everyone has their favourite voice or synth.
That is just a personal thing.
I have always used Espeak with few problems. it is going through a rocky
patch just now but so many people I talk to in the flesh so to speak have
never ever tried any of the variants or played around with the settings to
customise it.
We do not really want another flame war on here about synths do we?
please pretty please?
Discussions of how to try to correct some of the recent changes are fine,
but just coming in and saying xxx synth is rubbish helps nobody at all, in
my view.
Oh and Happy 2018
Try not to break it before next year!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help wanted in porting espeak fixes over to windows


Espeak is rubbish.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help wanted in porting espeak fixes over to windows

To be honest, and I know all the devs will shoot me down for this, but I
have sceen no real reason that we shouldn't drop back to the last real
version of espeak by default, have espeak ng as an optional or include
both synths they have seperate directorys for data and so I see no real
reason we can't have both installed, true espeak ng's espeak.dll will
have to be espeakng.dll or something but to be honest.

The espeak ng screwups don't worry me that much but I do know for bidden
is not fir bidden.

pir cent is not purcent.

or whatever it is.

Its almost like spaces in some words are being added when they were
coded in.

At any rate, mr espeak robot is not to be understood.

Its a crappy low powered synth used for admin work and other generalness.

If I wanted my voices understood I'd use my slow good quality but
resource hungry synth I have about.

Its not a big issue but the fact the list is growing.

They have fixed most of the accent issues but even so.

I really do hope that things continue to work.




On 31/12/2017 8:51 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I had always understood that the engine in nvda is updated regularly to
take account of fixes, but recently there seem to have been a number of
nasty bugs and silly mispronunciations added during code clean up. I'm
speaking about UK English here and so have gone back to Speech Player in
Espeak add on to get to an older version of Espeak which does not have
these issues.
In my view there seems to be a focus in the team to attempt to make the
code understandable, by moving stuff about. I guess this makes sense if
they want to understand it, but its not really doing anything to fix
crashes inimogees, bad pronunciations or other strange funnies, in fact
its already broken language dictionaries and some other bits on the
latest nvda meaning that Nvda team had to make work around to help them
use the latest code.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: <coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] help wanted in porting espeak fixes over to windows


Hi all
I maintain a repository of espeak fixes. That is, pronunciation fixes
for the US English language for words and names espeak ng mangles, for
Linux based operating systems, located at
http//GitHub.com/coffeeking/espeak-en-us. I've been wanting to for some
time port these over to windows and NVDA, as well as making them
available to anyone using the sapi5 version of espeak ng. I don't have
the coding skills to do this though and need help. I've tried to get help
on the espeak ng mailing list and no one seems interested. The biggest
issue is writing a script to compile the fixes into espeak ng. I don't
know enough coding to do this. The other big problem is that to be able
to compile the fixes, which are just text tfiles into the binary
dictionary format espeak ng needs, you have to have installed espeak ng
into whatever OS you use, I don't think you can do it with just NVDA's
built in copy. I'd love to be able to get rid of this step if at all
possible, since it would drastically increase the ease of new users being
able to use and contribute to my fixes. My goal is to eventually become
part of espeak ng's development itself by helping reece dunn with US
English, although I haven't managed it yet. My fixes are occasionally
added to espeak ng itself, but only when reece has time to comb through
them and fix any I get wrong. Is anyone interested in helping me make it
possible to use these with NVDA? I don't know where NVDA looks for espeak
ng's dictionary files, so in addition to being able to compile the files,
you have to copy them to wherever it is NVDA looks for them so it can
pick up on them. I'm not sure about the sapi 5 version of espeak ng, but
I'd like to make it possible for people to use my fixes regardless how
they use espeak ng or what they use it on, right now it's limited
strictly to Linux or unix OSes since I had help with the bash script
which compiles and copies them.
Thanks
Kendell Clark

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Re: Using Win10's Mail App

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

After opening a message containing an attachment, you will be focused in the message part of the window.  Press shift+tab and you will move focus to the attached file, press applications key and a pop-up window opens giving you the option to open or save the attachment.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 1 January 2018 15:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Win10's Mail App

 

Hello,

Having looked at the tutorial, I find that, while in a message, pressing the Alt key brings up the list of actions, the same as the context menu, it doesn’t bring up the ribbons. Has all this been updated? or is my Mail app messing me about?

I have only just decided to have another go at the mail app in W10, I can do most things, but I can’t save an attatchment, is this in the ribbons?

 

Comments please?

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 6:30 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Win10's Mail App

 

Hi

 

If you go to the following link off my website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

Then jump down by headings until you get to the windows 10 mail app section there is a tutorial which was created by David.

 

Hope it helps.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 12/30/2017 2:43 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:

Good Evening,

Are any instructions for using Win10's Mail app with NVDA?  Thanks and an early wish for a happy new year.

Pauline



 

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: updating win 10

Chris
 

You shouldn’t have to do anything updates download and install automatically

 

You may have to restart your computer when complete but a button should appear when it is ready to be restarted

 

Use tab to find the button if need be

 

 

From: Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io
Sent: 01 January 2018 21:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] updating win 10

 

Good afternoon,

Can someone tell me how to choose an update in the list and install it.

My system has three updates in the list box but I don’t know how to select and install them .

Thanks

 

 


Re: I'm dissappointed

Sandra Pilz
 

Hi Erik,


Am 01.01.2018 um 16:42 schrieb erik burggraaf:


On December 31, 2017 8:33:02 AM "Sandra Pilz" <sandra914481@gmail.com> wrote:

"For the new job I started this year, I can only use NVDA, because JAWS
will crash when I log into the web interface I am required to use."

I had this same experience when applying to a call centre job last year.  Hopefully your employer puts something into nvda on your behalf, since it seems to be useful in these situations.  It shouldn't matter which screen reader you use to access web databases, but I and others have experienced that nvda as a baseline works while jaws does not.

They don't care which screen reader I use as long as I can get the job done. Actually, the site uses Adobe Flash, and I have to use old versions of Firefox, because it's not  accessible in current versions of Firefox or Chrome. As far as I know, it didn't work in older versions of Chrome either.


"However, I agree with Gene. JAWS is more easily configurable by the
user. You can label graphics, you can assign window classes and see if
that makes a program work more smoothly with NVDA, you can assign
application specific hotkeys. I am not so sure if the JAWS frames
feature still works so well under Windows 10. I just tried it recently
without success.
"

This is one area where I disagree.  Not that jaws has the features or that they are useful, but that they belong in NVDA.  I believe that it is the responsibility of developers to label their graphics and controls, draw and class their windows and controls properly, and build keyboard/touchscreen support for their apps properly.  This is increasingly required by law, imposed by societal change, taught as programming best practice, and demonstrably beneficial beyond the needs of disability communities. Unfortunately, it's not all there yet, but within the next three years, it will become legally and socially inacceptable to build software without regard for accessibility standards, just as you wouldn't build out with no regard for UI, performance, security, and other common standards and best practices.  I believe the development philosophy of NVDA is based on this.  A screen reader should read the screen, conveying the information already provided in accessible format, doing as little interpretation as possible.
I know this has often been said to be the NVDA philosophy, and I consider it dogmatic. I am more interested in pragmatic solutions. If I need to get something done, especially if it's for work, I think it is more important that I can make some changes such as labelling graphics myself or defining frames to speak a part of the screen. What's more, the legal situation may be as you describe in the US, but this kind of legislation doesn't exist yet and will not exist within three years in all of the countries where NVDA is used. And I guess some of these countries are developing countries where NVDA is most widely used, and it is probably harder there for people to get JAWS.

Best

Sandra


updating win 10

Richard Kuzma
 

Good afternoon,

Can someone tell me how to choose an update in the list and install it.

My system has three updates in the list box but I don’t know how to select and install them .

Thanks

 


Re: Using Win10's Mail App

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Jim


The mail program is a app I just looked where the messages come in and i can use the context menu there and arrow through the menus.


Where are the ribbons? I am sure when i had a play with it there were none any where in it.


At present i am using windows 10 1709 creator update.


I think it was David that wrote it so he may reply unless on holidays this time of year.


Gene nz



On 1/2/2018 4:37 AM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello,
Having looked at the tutorial, I find that, while in a message, pressing the Alt key brings up the list of actions, the same as the context menu, it doesn’t bring up the ribbons. Has all this been updated? or is my Mail app messing me about?
I have only just decided to have another go at the mail app in W10, I can do most things, but I can’t save an attatchment, is this in the ribbons?
 
Comments please?
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Win10's Mail App
 

Hi

 

If you go to the following link off my website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

Then jump down by headings until you get to the windows 10 mail app section there is a tutorial which was created by David.

 

Hope it helps.

 

Gene nz

 


On 12/30/2017 2:43 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
Good Evening,

Are any instructions for using Win10's Mail app with NVDA?  Thanks and an early wish for a happy new year.

Pauline





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Re: I'm dissappointed

mk360
 

Hi!


El 01/01/2018 a las 12:42, erik burggraaf escribió:

Hi Sandra,


On December 31, 2017 8:33:02 AM "Sandra Pilz" <sandra914481@gmail.com> wrote:

(...)

"Also, for me the question is not only can I do something with a screen
reader, but also how quickly can I do what I need to do. One example for
me is the text analysing feature of JAWS in MS Word. I think it helps a
lot when writing a document and checking the formatting. I can do this
with NVDA, too, but it takes a lot longer. The JAWS text analyser or
whatever they call it just checks the document for me and allows me to
see where unexpected formatting or characters have been found. I then
can check whether they are intended or not and make corrections. And it
is so much quicker to do it that way than to read the entire document
with NVDA reporting all attributes selectable in the document dialogue
of NVDA. And additionally, the latter method is so monotonous that there
is the risk of not catching all of the formatting problems."

I have to agree with you here.  I am starting in on a computer programming diploma, and having to build visually appealing user interfaces.  It would be fantastic to have an add-on that would do some intense format, layout, style, information presented in a way that I could quickly make sure certin things look proper  Maybe I'll take this on as we're coming into python in winter semester.  To me, this is a perfect example of the kind of thing a screen reader should do.

I agree. In my case, I work as a lawyer in a goverment institution, where I usually read and write contracts or other kind of legal documents for the institution and formating is important to enfasice parts of the documents or sometimes to track changes with other parts. Also in my magister I need many formating commands, and I created a profile on NVDA to enable all formating atributes to be spoken, but it is slow, in large documents is desperating and sometimes I start to sleep and I don't notice sime important changes. However, It is a thing that can be solved with coding, a good add-on can do it, and I think we have some people that can code it.

"What would be the legal status for NVDA extensions written by a third
party to make a specific program more accessible? If the would they be
allowed to sell them? probably not, because NVDA is free. What would be
the incentive for them to develop these extensions for rarely used
software if they can only bill the hours once?"

I am not a lawyer and I haven'tttt read the developer documentation, but I don't see why enterprise developers couldn't charge for add-ons.  In fact, now that I think of it, many of the voice synthesizer add-ons are paid products.
add-ons are not part of the NVDA code, and therefore do not have to be free of charge, as the NVDA license (GPL V 2) covers the program and its code. Remember a free software premise: It is free as a freedom of speech, but not necesarily as free beer. In fact, you can create an Add-on with a propietary license, but simplyfing you need to follow GPL if you use parts of the NVDA code or other GPL programs.

Regards, and happy new year,
mk.


Re: Humanware Companion

Gene
 

That's good.  it's a little cumbersome, but you may want to use that command when moving in that utility.
 
It's really not bad, though, if you use the following procedure:
Set the caps lock to be an NVDA key.  Move downin the usual way.  When you want to hear the current line without extraneous text, move down, then immediately issue the command caps lock plus up arrow. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Humanware Companion

Hello Gene:

 

Only the line with focus is spoken when reading the current line, as expected.

 

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Humanware Companion

 

Try using the read current line command after moving to see if just the current item is read.  Until the problem is corrected, that may stop extraneous speech.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick

Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 10:39 AM

Subject: [nvda] Humanware Companion

 

Hello listers:

 

Humanware makes a software package (called humanware Companion) for transferring files between a PC and a removable storage device, like a USB stick or SD card. This software makes it easy to transfer different types of files to the special directory areas for devices like the Victor Reader Stream. A tree view is presented for the files on the PC and another for the files on the removable storage device. When using the arrow keys to navigate the tree views, NVDA speaks the previous item before speaking the item moved to. For example, assume the list consists of three items, labeled book1, book2 and book3. When first entering the tree view, “book1” is spoken (along with size and whether the item is checked). If I then hit the down arrow key, NVDA speaks “book1 book2” instead of just “book2. Pressing the down arrow again and NVDA speaks “book2 book3” instead of just “book3.” The same behavior is exhibited when using page up or page down, the line where the focus is first spoken followed by the line with the new focus. This does not happen using the Window Eyes screen reader. Only the new line with focus is spoken.

 

I am running the latest released versions of Windows 10, NVDA and the Humanware Companion.

 

The latest version of the Humanware Companion can be downloaded at:

 

http://support.humanware.com/en-usa/support/humanware_companion

 

I will also send this information to Humanware.

 

Rick


Re: Humanware Companion

Rick
 

Hello Gene:

 

Only the line with focus is spoken when reading the current line, as expected.

 

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Humanware Companion

 

Try using the read current line command after moving to see if just the current item is read.  Until the problem is corrected, that may stop extraneous speech.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick

Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 10:39 AM

Subject: [nvda] Humanware Companion

 

Hello listers:

 

Humanware makes a software package (called humanware Companion) for transferring files between a PC and a removable storage device, like a USB stick or SD card. This software makes it easy to transfer different types of files to the special directory areas for devices like the Victor Reader Stream. A tree view is presented for the files on the PC and another for the files on the removable storage device. When using the arrow keys to navigate the tree views, NVDA speaks the previous item before speaking the item moved to. For example, assume the list consists of three items, labeled book1, book2 and book3. When first entering the tree view, “book1” is spoken (along with size and whether the item is checked). If I then hit the down arrow key, NVDA speaks “book1 book2” instead of just “book2. Pressing the down arrow again and NVDA speaks “book2 book3” instead of just “book3.” The same behavior is exhibited when using page up or page down, the line where the focus is first spoken followed by the line with the new focus. This does not happen using the Window Eyes screen reader. Only the new line with focus is spoken.

 

I am running the latest released versions of Windows 10, NVDA and the Humanware Companion.

 

The latest version of the Humanware Companion can be downloaded at:

 

http://support.humanware.com/en-usa/support/humanware_companion

 

I will also send this information to Humanware.

 

Rick


Re: Humanware Companion

Gene
 

Try using the read current line command after moving to see if just the current item is read.  Until the problem is corrected, that may stop extraneous speech.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 10:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Humanware Companion

Hello listers:

 

Humanware makes a software package (called humanware Companion) for transferring files between a PC and a removable storage device, like a USB stick or SD card. This software makes it easy to transfer different types of files to the special directory areas for devices like the Victor Reader Stream. A tree view is presented for the files on the PC and another for the files on the removable storage device. When using the arrow keys to navigate the tree views, NVDA speaks the previous item before speaking the item moved to. For example, assume the list consists of three items, labeled book1, book2 and book3. When first entering the tree view, “book1” is spoken (along with size and whether the item is checked). If I then hit the down arrow key, NVDA speaks “book1 book2” instead of just “book2. Pressing the down arrow again and NVDA speaks “book2 book3” instead of just “book3.” The same behavior is exhibited when using page up or page down, the line where the focus is first spoken followed by the line with the new focus. This does not happen using the Window Eyes screen reader. Only the new line with focus is spoken.

 

I am running the latest released versions of Windows 10, NVDA and the Humanware Companion.

 

The latest version of the Humanware Companion can be downloaded at:

 

http://support.humanware.com/en-usa/support/humanware_companion

 

I will also send this information to Humanware.

 

Rick


Humanware Companion

Rick
 

Hello listers:

 

Humanware makes a software package (called humanware Companion) for transferring files between a PC and a removable storage device, like a USB stick or SD card. This software makes it easy to transfer different types of files to the special directory areas for devices like the Victor Reader Stream. A tree view is presented for the files on the PC and another for the files on the removable storage device. When using the arrow keys to navigate the tree views, NVDA speaks the previous item before speaking the item moved to. For example, assume the list consists of three items, labeled book1, book2 and book3. When first entering the tree view, “book1” is spoken (along with size and whether the item is checked). If I then hit the down arrow key, NVDA speaks “book1 book2” instead of just “book2. Pressing the down arrow again and NVDA speaks “book2 book3” instead of just “book3.” The same behavior is exhibited when using page up or page down, the line where the focus is first spoken followed by the line with the new focus. This does not happen using the Window Eyes screen reader. Only the new line with focus is spoken.

 

I am running the latest released versions of Windows 10, NVDA and the Humanware Companion.

 

The latest version of the Humanware Companion can be downloaded at:

 

http://support.humanware.com/en-usa/support/humanware_companion

 

I will also send this information to Humanware.

 

Rick


Re: Using Win10's Mail App

David Griffith
 

OK I think we are looking at   2 different windows.

If I am reading an email and press the alt key it brings  up a list of actions.

If however   I am in the edit area of an email, that is  replying or composing a new mail and press the alt key then in this window the ribbons will appear.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
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https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: The Gamages
Sent: 01 January 2018 15:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Win10's Mail App

 

Hello,

Having looked at the tutorial, I find that, while in a message, pressing the Alt key brings up the list of actions, the same as the context menu, it doesn’t bring up the ribbons. Has all this been updated? or is my Mail app messing me about?

I have only just decided to have another go at the mail app in W10, I can do most things, but I can’t save an attatchment, is this in the ribbons?

 

Comments please?

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 6:30 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Win10's Mail App

 

Hi

 

If you go to the following link off my website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

Then jump down by headings until you get to the windows 10 mail app section there is a tutorial which was created by David.

 

Hope it helps.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 12/30/2017 2:43 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:

Good Evening,

Are any instructions for using Win10's Mail app with NVDA?  Thanks and an early wish for a happy new year.

Pauline



 

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Image NVDA
        certified expert

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 


Re: Using Win10's Mail App

The Gamages
 

Hello,
Having looked at the tutorial, I find that, while in a message, pressing the Alt key brings up the list of actions, the same as the context menu, it doesn’t bring up the ribbons. Has all this been updated? or is my Mail app messing me about?
I have only just decided to have another go at the mail app in W10, I can do most things, but I can’t save an attatchment, is this in the ribbons?
 
Comments please?
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Win10's Mail App
 

Hi

 

If you go to the following link off my website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

Then jump down by headings until you get to the windows 10 mail app section there is a tutorial which was created by David.

 

Hope it helps.

 

Gene nz

 


On 12/30/2017 2:43 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
Good Evening,

Are any instructions for using Win10's Mail app with NVDA?  Thanks and an early wish for a happy new year.

Pauline





--
Image NVDA
        certified expert
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.