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Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: seeking recommendations for one or two professional grade apps to showcase

 

Hi,

That’s the thing. My budget is tight, so I need to work with at least a demo copy. Also, as a web interface, it may work differently on different browsers.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: seeking recommendations for one or two professional grade apps to showcase

 

Joseph,

 

I vote for the web interface of  SAP. I don’t know how you will get access to it.

 

Pranav


Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: seeking recommendations for one or two professional grade apps to showcase

Pranav Lal
 

Joseph,

 

I vote for the web interface of  SAP. I don’t know how you will get access to it.

 

Pranav


Re: making IE your default browser

Arlene
 

Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-02-18 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] making IE your default browser

 

It would be a very good idea to use firefox or Chrome.  Browsing itself is identical because they all use browse mode.  The settings interface is somewhat different.  The bookmarks interface is very similar in firefox, a little different in Chrome.  Firefox has a very good search feature.  It's so convenient that I never organize book marks. 

 

Internet Explorer is receiving security updates but it has had no technical work done on it for a number of years. 

 

I'm not sure how accessible Edge is yet but it may now be a good alternative as well. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: [nvda] making IE your default browser

 

Hi. I’m shopping around for a win ten computer. I need to know how to make IE my default Browser.  Thought someone posted some info on how to do it. I thought I kept the info. I can’t for the life of me find it. How does one make IE the default browser? Thanks and have a good day!


Re: making IE your default browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

Another good thing about firefox is that it's faster than internet explorer.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] making IE your default browser

 

It would be a very good idea to use firefox or Chrome.  Browsing itself is identical because they all use browse mode.  The settings interface is somewhat different.  The bookmarks interface is very similar in firefox, a little different in Chrome.  Firefox has a very good search feature.  It's so convenient that I never organize book marks. 

 

Internet Explorer is receiving security updates but it has had no technical work done on it for a number of years. 

 

I'm not sure how accessible Edge is yet but it may now be a good alternative as well. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: [nvda] making IE your default browser

 

Hi. I’m shopping around for a win ten computer. I need to know how to make IE my default Browser.  Thought someone posted some info on how to do it. I thought I kept the info. I can’t for the life of me find it. How does one make IE the default browser? Thanks and have a good day!


Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, oseph,

 

I'm really enjoying the tutorial so-far. It's a good review for me.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

 

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

The next part in Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorials set is now up on www.josephsl.net. This part concerns basic web browsing concepts and commands and completes the basics set in this series (and the first half of this set).

 

Changes from 2015:

 

  • Completely redone with new examples and with use of Windows OneCore voices.
  • Microsoft Edge (Windows 10 Version 1709) and Mozilla Firefox (version 58 beta) were used (see below for explanations). For the most part, Edge is used, but for some things, Firefox is better.
  • Added a dedicated section on screen layout.
  • Added an actual example of partially turning off browse mode (single letter navigation on/off) in web applications, specifically for embedded video player on YouTube website.
  • Changes to first letter navigation sections, including reduced coverage for embedded objects (it was a dedicated section in 2015, but now one of the elements in 2018), long descriptions now part of graphics, and a comment on ability to move to read-only edit fields. Differences between web browsers and support for elements is also highlighted.
  • Added coverage for the following elements and first letter commands: annotations (A), spelling errors (W). They won’t work on web browsers but will work while browse mode is engaged in Microsoft Word.
  • Added a dedicated section on refreshing web content.
  • Elements list has been expanded to cover new elements not only for web browsing (including the new form fields and buttons options), but also for Microsoft Word (comments and spelling errors) and Microsoft Excel (charts, formulas, cell comments and sheets). Element activation and movement examples are based on form fields.
  • Examples of live regions are showcased.
  • Added a segment on interacting with online math content (requires properly formatted MathML content and installation of MathPlayer from Design Science).

 

Again each topic is its own mp3 file. Combined, they run for over two hours, with the tour of first letter navigation commands taking 65 minutes to traverse (spread over two segments). Because of the length of this part, I didn’t have time to demonstrate reading PDF files in Microsoft Edge nor dealing with a more realistic web application (I wanted to use Google Docs for this but it didn’t work out in the end due to time and complexity involved).

 

A bit of explanation as to why I used two web browsers: I did it for three important reasons:

 

  1. To highlight latest developments in web browsing and how far browsers have come.
  2. To demonstrate the fact that different web browsers display the same website differently.
  3. To showcase what works and doesn’t work for each browser, mostly to highlight strengths and current limitations with Microsoft Edge.

 

Enjoy the tutorials. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: How can I get a previous version of an Add-on?

Ângelo Abrantes
 

He,
My sincere thanks for your help.
I already have my problem solved by doing an investigation on google.
Cheers.
Ângelo Abrantes

Às 22:04 de 02-01-2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:

Can you tell us which add on and which version. If its golden Cursor then I may have it, but we need to know which it is and why its not working.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 1:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] How can I get a previous version of an Add-on?


I currently have an add-on that does not work correctly in the latest version.
I needed to have the previous version. How can I get this version?
How can I get a GithUb Add-on's page?
thanks in advance
Ângelo Abrantes

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Re: Issues with dropbox addon

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes but parts of the menu and options still do not read well.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox addon


In the first place, the hotkey for the dropbox add on is NVDA + Alt + D and not F. Second, dropbox not found may just mean it's icon isn't showing in the system tray and you need to go to settings, personalization, then choose which icons appear in the system tray and make sure dropbox is turned on. This should fix it.

Roger









On 1/1/2018 9:40 PM, Fernando Apan wrote:
Hi Everyone,

First of all, I hope you all are having a great year.

I'm experiensing a very extrainge problem with the firefox addon. It seems it hasn't been updated for a while. When I install it and press NVDA+alt+f I get this message: dropbox not found.

Would you please help me to figure out what could be happening?

Thanks in advance.


Fernando Apan.



.


Re: numb lock help

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I have no idea, but most of us find the exact opposite, ie its turned on when we want it off!
I'm assuming you mean its alaptop and that its toggled now by a single key. I cannot imagine how this might be achieved.
is there a fn key on the machine somewhere.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "slery" <slerythema@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:15 PM
Subject: [nvda] numb lock help


I have accidently done something to the number pad on my keyboard (desktop).
When I hit the / on the numb pad it turns off the numb lock. So, if I want
to type a date I type 1/ and then the numb lock is off and I can't type the
rest of the date without turning the numb lock back on. It was probably some
kind of accidental multiple key press on the numb pad as this is when it
started.



Desperately seeking help,

Cindy


Re: making IE your default browser

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Personally I'd not suggest you do that, but get a copy of Firefox 52ESR instead.
I've come across a lot of web sites that IE11 will give problems with in windows 7, and one must suppose this is still the same in 10. It seems that nobody is really checking web sites these days.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] making IE your default browser


Hi. I'm shopping around for a win ten computer. I need to know how to make
IE my default Browser. Thought someone posted some info on how to do it. I
thought I kept the info. I can't for the life of me find it. How does one
make IE the default browser? Thanks and have a good day!


Re: How can I get a previous version of an Add-on?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Can you tell us which add on and which version. If its golden Cursor then I may have it, but we need to know which it is and why its not working.
Brian

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From: "Ângelo Abrantes" <ampa4374@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 1:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] How can I get a previous version of an Add-on?


I currently have an add-on that does not work correctly in the latest version.
I needed to have the previous version. How can I get this version?
How can I get a GithUb Add-on's page?
thanks in advance
Ângelo Abrantes

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Re: Issues with dropbox addon

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Please everyone if you are getting issues, tell them about it. I don't think they are anti us, just not really very aware of the issues like so many companies these days.
Brian

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From: "Fernando Apan" <ferapan@utexas.edu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox addon


Good morning, Bryan.

Oh, I see. Well it's very unfortunate. Then we'll have to wait and see what happen.

Thanks for your responce.


Fernando Apan.

El 02/01/2018 a las 03:14 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
Well I reported this on Dropbox36, and its now on version 40.xx. Unfortunately this is not the only problem. They seem to have changed a lot of their web site as well making it quite hard to navigate for unexplained reasons with nvda.
Maybe somebody with the knowledge might like to look at this. I have in the past found there tech help quite good, but they seem, increasingly not to understand where a blind user has issues, which is a little sad.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Apan" <ferapan@utexas.edu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Issues with dropbox addon


Hi Everyone,

First of all, I hope you all are having a great year.

I'm experiensing a very extrainge problem with the firefox addon. It seems it hasn't been updated for a while. When I install it and press NVDA+alt+f I get this message: dropbox not found.

Would you please help me to figure out what could be happening?

Thanks in advance.


Fernando Apan.






Re: New add-on - IndentNav

Tony Malykh
 

Hi Derek,


I have fixed all the changes you proposed. I haven't made a new release yet though. IF that's OK, I'll be happy if you can publish it on the official NVDA add-ons site.


Thanks

Tony


On 1/1/2018 7:28 PM, derek riemer wrote:
We need you to put a GPL header on this file so that anyone downloading it knows it complies with GPL (This is because it's running in NVDA's GPL process).


Next, let us know when you are ready for this to go on the addons site (if you want that which I assume you do).

Other tidbits, not needing changed to pass code review:
def isEmptyLine(self, s):
Did you know about speech.isBlank?


Why is there a random pass at the end of the file?

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
Hi guys,


I just wrote my first NVDA add-on:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav


It solves two problems:

1. In browsers you can jump to paragraphs with the same horizontal offset. For example, it can be useful to read first-level comments on web-pages that present a hierarchical trees of comments, like reddit. Now you can simply find the first comment and press NVDA+Alt+DownArrow to go to the next first-level comment.

2. While editing source code in many programming languages, it allows you to navigate by the indentation level. For example, you can move to previous/next lines with the same indentation level by pressing NVDA+Alt+Up or DownArrow. You can also jump to a parent line or to first child.


Please let me know if anyone finds it useful, or if you have any suggestions.


Tony










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Re: New add-on - IndentNav

Tony Malykh
 

Thank you!

On 1/1/2018 5:56 PM, MJW wrote:
Tony, a v useful add-on; good thinking, good work.

On 02/01/2018, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm forwarding this to the add-ons community in case someone is interested
in using and/or reviewing it for inclusion in our website.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Malykh
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New add-on - IndentNav

Hi guys,


I just wrote my first NVDA add-on:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav


It solves two problems:

1. In browsers you can jump to paragraphs with the same horizontal offset.
For example, it can be useful to read first-level comments on web-pages that
present a hierarchical trees of comments, like reddit.
Now you can simply find the first comment and press NVDA+Alt+DownArrow to go
to the next first-level comment.

2. While editing source code in many programming languages, it allows you to
navigate by the indentation level. For example, you can move to
previous/next lines with the same indentation level by pressing
NVDA+Alt+Up or DownArrow. You can also jump to a parent line or to first
child.


Please let me know if anyone finds it useful, or if you have any
suggestions.


Tony











Re: Issues with dropbox addon

Fernando Apan
 

Oops, sorry. I ment to write D in stead of F, that was my mistake. But in fact, the icon is there, because I can see it from the system trade. It's just that NVDA doesn't read the dropbox sttatus.
Cheers.

Fernando Apan.


In the first place, the hotkey for the dropbox add on is NVDA + Alt + D and not F. Second, dropbox not found may just mean it's icon isn't showing in the system tray and you need to go to settings, personalization, then choose which icons appear in the system tray and make sure dropbox is turned on. This should fix it.

Roger

On 1/1/2018 9:40 PM, Fernando Apan wrote:
Hi Everyone,

First of all, I hope you all are having a great year.

I'm experiensing a very extrainge problem with the firefox addon. It seems it hasn't been updated for a while. When I install it and press NVDA+alt+f I get this message: dropbox not found.

Would you please help me to figure out what could be happening?

Thanks in advance.


Fernando Apan.



.


Re: Issues with dropbox addon

Roger Stewart
 

In the first place, the hotkey for the dropbox add on is NVDA + Alt + D and not F. Second, dropbox not found may just mean it's icon isn't showing in the system tray and you need to go to settings, personalization, then choose which icons appear in the system tray and make sure dropbox is turned on. This should fix it.

Roger

On 1/1/2018 9:40 PM, Fernando Apan wrote:
Hi Everyone,

First of all, I hope you all are having a great year.

I'm experiensing a very extrainge problem with the firefox addon. It seems it hasn't been updated for a while. When I install it and press NVDA+alt+f I get this message: dropbox not found.

Would you please help me to figure out what could be happening?

Thanks in advance.


Fernando Apan.



.


Re: numb lock help

Antony Stone
 

When you press the / key, do you get the / symbol?

I ask because on my number pad, the Num Lock key is the top left, whereas the
/ key is immediately to its right.

I just wonder whether you're pressing the Num Lock key instead (which would be
indicated by not getting the / symbol when you press the button), and
therefore the next key to the right is the one you need?

On my number pad, the keys on the top row, from left to right, and Num Lock, /
(slash), * (asterisk) and - (minus).


Antony.

On Tuesday 02 January 2018 at 20:15:45, slery wrote:

I have accidently done something to the number pad on my keyboard
(desktop). When I hit the / on the numb pad it turns off the numb lock.
So, if I want to type a date I type 1/ and then the numb lock is off and I
can't type the rest of the date without turning the numb lock back on. It
was probably some kind of accidental multiple key press on the numb pad as
this is when it started.

Desperately seeking help,

Cindy
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Re: I'm dissappointed

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Again, I don't disagree necessarily. I'm just stating fact about the differences, advantages, disadvantages, and what all this means for users and developers. I want people who are in the kind of position that Sandra is in to understand where things are headed and that regardless of the short term solution, the end result will be more inclusive development.

All this has been going on for 10 or 12 years already. It should come as no surprise to most of us. There are a huge number of factors. Obviously, we want full inclusion sooner than later. That requires us to balance the short term and long term goals. We need to get things done today, but we also need to keep our eyes on the prise, and advocate for new infrestructure that fits the new paradigm.

We have to realise that we are legally and socially entitled to consideration in development, that we have people with the skills to collaborate in bringing in the new design paradigm, that the laws and standards support us, that the new paradigm benefits every one, not only people with disabilities, and that the more we become adopters and advocates, the faster we forward the trend.

Best,

Erik

On January 1, 2018 8:27:59 PM "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip > This is one area where I disagree. Not that jaws has the features or
that they are useful, but that they belong in NVDA. I believe that it
is the responsibility of developers to label their graphics and
controls, draw and class their windows and controls properly, and
build keyboard/touchscreen support for their apps properly. This is
increasingly required by law, imposed by societal change, taught as
programming best practice, and demonstrably beneficial beyond the
needs of disability communities. Unfortunately, it's not all there
yet, but within the next three years, it will become legally and
socially inacceptable to build software without regard for
accessibility standards, just as you wouldn't build out with no regard
for UI, performance, security, and other common standards and best
practices. I believe the development philosophy of NVDA is based on
this. A screen reader should read the screen, conveying the
information already provided in accessible format, doing as little
interpretation as possible.
PL] Eric, I agree with Sandra. Philosophy is ok in the long run but I have to get work done now and will take the easiest path to do that work. Compliance is never 100%. What about all the legacy applications enterprises run? I need a solution for reading the screen and I see no problem in that solution giving me information in a way that is easiest for me to consume.

Pranav


numb lock help

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I have accidently done something to the number pad on my keyboard (desktop). When I hit the / on the numb pad it turns off the numb lock. So, if I want to type a date I type 1/ and then the numb lock is off and I can’t type the rest of the date without turning the numb lock back on. It was probably some kind of accidental multiple key press on the numb pad as this is when it started.

 

Desperately seeking help,

Cindy


Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

 

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

The next part in Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorials set is now up on www.josephsl.net. This part concerns basic web browsing concepts and commands and completes the basics set in this series (and the first half of this set).

 

Changes from 2015:

 

  • Completely redone with new examples and with use of Windows OneCore voices.
  • Microsoft Edge (Windows 10 Version 1709) and Mozilla Firefox (version 58 beta) were used (see below for explanations). For the most part, Edge is used, but for some things, Firefox is better.
  • Added a dedicated section on screen layout.
  • Added an actual example of partially turning off browse mode (single letter navigation on/off) in web applications, specifically for embedded video player on YouTube website.
  • Changes to first letter navigation sections, including reduced coverage for embedded objects (it was a dedicated section in 2015, but now one of the elements in 2018), long descriptions now part of graphics, and a comment on ability to move to read-only edit fields. Differences between web browsers and support for elements is also highlighted.
  • Added coverage for the following elements and first letter commands: annotations (A), spelling errors (W). They won’t work on web browsers but will work while browse mode is engaged in Microsoft Word.
  • Added a dedicated section on refreshing web content.
  • Elements list has been expanded to cover new elements not only for web browsing (including the new form fields and buttons options), but also for Microsoft Word (comments and spelling errors) and Microsoft Excel (charts, formulas, cell comments and sheets). Element activation and movement examples are based on form fields.
  • Examples of live regions are showcased.
  • Added a segment on interacting with online math content (requires properly formatted MathML content and installation of MathPlayer from Design Science).

 

Again each topic is its own mp3 file. Combined, they run for over two hours, with the tour of first letter navigation commands taking 65 minutes to traverse (spread over two segments). Because of the length of this part, I didn’t have time to demonstrate reading PDF files in Microsoft Edge nor dealing with a more realistic web application (I wanted to use Google Docs for this but it didn’t work out in the end due to time and complexity involved).

 

A bit of explanation as to why I used two web browsers: I did it for three important reasons:

 

  1. To highlight latest developments in web browsing and how far browsers have come.
  2. To demonstrate the fact that different web browsers display the same website differently.
  3. To showcase what works and doesn’t work for each browser, mostly to highlight strengths and current limitations with Microsoft Edge.

 

Enjoy the tutorials. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: making IE your default browser

Gene
 

It would be a very good idea to use firefox or Chrome.  Browsing itself is identical because they all use browse mode.  The settings interface is somewhat different.  The bookmarks interface is very similar in firefox, a little different in Chrome.  Firefox has a very good search feature.  It's so convenient that I never organize book marks. 
 
Internet Explorer is receiving security updates but it has had no technical work done on it for a number of years. 
 
I'm not sure how accessible Edge is yet but it may now be a good alternative as well. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 10:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] making IE your default browser

Hi. I’m shopping around for a win ten computer. I need to know how to make IE my default Browser.  Thought someone posted some info on how to do it. I thought I kept the info. I can’t for the life of me find it. How does one make IE the default browser? Thanks and have a good day!