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Re: Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed for nvda?

Alex Kenny
 

While this has existed for the past decade, it has only been discovered recently. We have been "living with it", because, as far as we know no one had discover and exploit it. These patches, while slowing performance slightly and only in some use cases, will fix the problem.


Also, jumping immediately to some conspiracy by Microsoft doesn't make sense. First, as Anthony previously stated, Linux is being patched. Mac OS will also be updated.

Second, this issue affects the kernel, which has nothing to do with whether traditional Win32 or Windows Store apps are running on top of it. Deliberately slowing the kernel to induce people to use Windows Store apps is completely nonsensical.

This patch should only significantly affect use cases doing a lot of work in kernel space. NVDA will likely not be affected by this.  

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 8:00 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
It just seems odd that we have if you believe all this lived with this for a
decade and I'd have thought there was now a bit of the shutting the stable
door when all the horses have gone about trying to retro patch it I
understand the biggest losers could be the big server companies who might be
using Intel chipped hardware, and hence need things sorting out.
 So Maybe I should get my claim for a new processor in tomorrow to be in
time....:-)

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed
for nvda?


>I do not suspect ulterior motives on Microsoft's part in this case, because
> the Linux kernel is being patched in just the same way for just the same
> reason.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Wednesday 03 January 2018 at 11:17:37, Brian's Mail list account via
> Groups.Io wrote:
>
>> Oh really, well, I'm not so sure. It feeds into the mindset that says
>> Microsofts eventual aim is to lock people in to getting software from its
>> store and nowhere else in the 'interests' of security, when in reality
>> they
>> want to do what Apple is doing, create an ecosystem and make it hard for
>> third parties to just allow their software to run on a system.
>>  Whether you suspect ulterior motives or not is your  choice.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 10:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact
>> speed
>> for nvda?
>>
>> >A large number of security flaws (in both software and hardware) do not
>> >get discovered for a long time after they crept into the design.
>> >
>> > I think "if the security hole has been in the chips for a decade, I'm
>> > not
>> > so sure its that much of an issue" is a dangerous assumption, and not
>> > borne out by Microsoft's sudden activity to patch Windows in such a way
>> > that it will have a definite performance penalty.  If the 10-year old
>> > security flaw were not much of a problem, Microsoft wouldn't react in a
>> > way
>> > that unavoidably impacts the majority of Windows users.
>> >
>> >
>> > Antony.
>> >
>> > On Wednesday 03 January 2018 at 10:52:15, Brian's Mail list account via
>> >
>> > Groups.Io wrote:
>> >> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
>> >>
>> >> I hope that link works, but its easy to find on that site in any case.
>> >> I'm not saying this sounds like paranoia, as I do not know enough to
>> >> make
>> >> such a comment, but if the security hole has been in the chips for a
>> >> decade, I'm not so sure its that much of an issue. at any rate I guess
>> >> all those out there with AMD chips will be chortling loudly.
>> >>
>> >>  If its a fault in the chip this seems that it could leave Intel open
>> >> to
>> >>  action to give everyone new chips!
>> >>
>> >>  Brian
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Re: Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed for nvda?

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It just seems odd that we have if you believe all this lived with this for a decade and I'd have thought there was now a bit of the shutting the stable door when all the horses have gone about trying to retro patch it I understand the biggest losers could be the big server companies who might be using Intel chipped hardware, and hence need things sorting out.
So Maybe I should get my claim for a new processor in tomorrow to be in time....:-)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed for nvda?


I do not suspect ulterior motives on Microsoft's part in this case, because
the Linux kernel is being patched in just the same way for just the same
reason.


Antony.

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Groups.Io wrote:

Oh really, well, I'm not so sure. It feeds into the mindset that says
Microsofts eventual aim is to lock people in to getting software from its
store and nowhere else in the 'interests' of security, when in reality they
want to do what Apple is doing, create an ecosystem and make it hard for
third parties to just allow their software to run on a system.
Whether you suspect ulterior motives or not is your choice.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed
for nvda?

A large number of security flaws (in both software and hardware) do not
get discovered for a long time after they crept into the design.

I think "if the security hole has been in the chips for a decade, I'm not
so sure its that much of an issue" is a dangerous assumption, and not
borne out by Microsoft's sudden activity to patch Windows in such a way
that it will have a definite performance penalty. If the 10-year old
security flaw were not much of a problem, Microsoft wouldn't react in a way
that unavoidably impacts the majority of Windows users.


Antony.

On Wednesday 03 January 2018 at 10:52:15, Brian's Mail list account via

Groups.Io wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

I hope that link works, but its easy to find on that site in any case.
I'm not saying this sounds like paranoia, as I do not know enough to make
such a comment, but if the security hole has been in the chips for a
decade, I'm not so sure its that much of an issue. at any rate I guess
all those out there with AMD chips will be chortling loudly.

If its a fault in the chip this seems that it could leave Intel open to
action to give everyone new chips!

Brian
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Re: Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed for nvda?

Antony Stone
 

I do not suspect ulterior motives on Microsoft's part in this case, because
the Linux kernel is being patched in just the same way for just the same
reason.


Antony.

On Wednesday 03 January 2018 at 11:17:37, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:

Oh really, well, I'm not so sure. It feeds into the mindset that says
Microsofts eventual aim is to lock people in to getting software from its
store and nowhere else in the 'interests' of security, when in reality they
want to do what Apple is doing, create an ecosystem and make it hard for
third parties to just allow their software to run on a system.
Whether you suspect ulterior motives or not is your choice.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed
for nvda?

A large number of security flaws (in both software and hardware) do not
get discovered for a long time after they crept into the design.

I think "if the security hole has been in the chips for a decade, I'm not
so sure its that much of an issue" is a dangerous assumption, and not
borne out by Microsoft's sudden activity to patch Windows in such a way
that it will have a definite performance penalty. If the 10-year old
security flaw were not much of a problem, Microsoft wouldn't react in a way
that unavoidably impacts the majority of Windows users.


Antony.

On Wednesday 03 January 2018 at 10:52:15, Brian's Mail list account via

Groups.Io wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

I hope that link works, but its easy to find on that site in any case.
I'm not saying this sounds like paranoia, as I do not know enough to make
such a comment, but if the security hole has been in the chips for a
decade, I'm not so sure its that much of an issue. at any rate I guess
all those out there with AMD chips will be chortling loudly.

If its a fault in the chip this seems that it could leave Intel open to
action to give everyone new chips!

Brian
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Re: Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed for nvda?

Brian's Mail list account
 

Oh really, well, I'm not so sure. It feeds into the mindset that says Microsofts eventual aim is to lock people in to getting software from its store and nowhere else in the 'interests' of security, when in reality they want to do what Apple is doing, create an ecosystem and make it hard for third parties to just allow their software to run on a system.
Whether you suspect ulterior motives or not is your choice.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed for nvda?


A large number of security flaws (in both software and hardware) do not get
discovered for a long time after they crept into the design.

I think "if the security hole has been in the chips for a decade, I'm not so
sure its that much of an issue" is a dangerous assumption, and not borne out
by Microsoft's sudden activity to patch Windows in such a way that it will
have a definite performance penalty. If the 10-year old security flaw were not
much of a problem, Microsoft wouldn't react in a way that unavoidably impacts
the majority of Windows users.


Antony.

On Wednesday 03 January 2018 at 10:52:15, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

I hope that link works, but its easy to find on that site in any case. I'm
not saying this sounds like paranoia, as I do not know enough to make such
a comment, but if the security hole has been in the chips for a decade,
I'm not so sure its that much of an issue. at any rate I guess all those
out there with AMD chips will be chortling loudly.
If its a fault in the chip this seems that it could leave Intel open to
action to give everyone new chips!
Brian
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Re: I'm dissappointed

Brian's Mail list account
 

For the record I do not want to divert this discussion away to other non nvda matters, I was merely using the medical info case as a case to demonstrate the issues of legality over what actually happens.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "erik burggraaf" <erik@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed


Again, I don't disagree necessarily. I'm just stating fact about the differences, advantages, disadvantages, and what all this means for users and developers. I want people who are in the kind of position that Sandra is in to understand where things are headed and that regardless of the short term solution, the end result will be more inclusive development.

All this has been going on for 10 or 12 years already. It should come as no surprise to most of us. There are a huge number of factors. Obviously, we want full inclusion sooner than later. That requires us to balance the short term and long term goals. We need to get things done today, but we also need to keep our eyes on the prise, and advocate for new infrestructure that fits the new paradigm.

We have to realise that we are legally and socially entitled to consideration in development, that we have people with the skills to collaborate in bringing in the new design paradigm, that the laws and standards support us, that the new paradigm benefits every one, not only people with disabilities, and that the more we become adopters and advocates, the faster we forward the trend.

Best,

Erik


On January 1, 2018 8:27:59 PM "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

<snip > This is one area where I disagree. Not that jaws has the features or
that they are useful, but that they belong in NVDA. I believe that it
is the responsibility of developers to label their graphics and
controls, draw and class their windows and controls properly, and
build keyboard/touchscreen support for their apps properly. This is
increasingly required by law, imposed by societal change, taught as
programming best practice, and demonstrably beneficial beyond the
needs of disability communities. Unfortunately, it's not all there
yet, but within the next three years, it will become legally and
socially inacceptable to build software without regard for
accessibility standards, just as you wouldn't build out with no regard
for UI, performance, security, and other common standards and best
practices. I believe the development philosophy of NVDA is based on
this. A screen reader should read the screen, conveying the
information already provided in accessible format, doing as little
interpretation as possible.
PL] Eric, I agree with Sandra. Philosophy is ok in the long run but I have to get work done now and will take the easiest path to do that work. Compliance is never 100%. What about all the legacy applications enterprises run? I need a solution for reading the screen and I see no problem in that solution giving me information in a way that is easiest for me to consume.

Pranav








Re: Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed for nvda?

Antony Stone
 

A large number of security flaws (in both software and hardware) do not get
discovered for a long time after they crept into the design.

I think "if the security hole has been in the chips for a decade, I'm not so
sure its that much of an issue" is a dangerous assumption, and not borne out
by Microsoft's sudden activity to patch Windows in such a way that it will
have a definite performance penalty. If the 10-year old security flaw were not
much of a problem, Microsoft wouldn't react in a way that unavoidably impacts
the majority of Windows users.


Antony.

On Wednesday 03 January 2018 at 10:52:15, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

I hope that link works, but its easy to find on that site in any case. I'm
not saying this sounds like paranoia, as I do not know enough to make such
a comment, but if the security hole has been in the chips for a decade,
I'm not so sure its that much of an issue. at any rate I guess all those
out there with AMD chips will be chortling loudly.
If its a fault in the chip this seems that it could leave Intel open to
action to give everyone new chips!
Brian
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Will this patch to windows for Intel chips impact speed for nvda?

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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

I hope that link works, but its easy to find on that site in any case. I'm not saying this sounds like paranoia, as I do not know enough to make such a comment, but if the security hole has been in the chips for a decade, I'm not so sure its that much of an issue. at any rate I guess all those out there with AMD chips will be chortling loudly.
If its a fault in the chip this seems that it could leave Intel open to action to give everyone new chips!
Brian
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Re: numb lock help

Gene
 

When odd behaviors occur, unless you have a good reason to try something else first, the two things to try are to unload and run NvDA and to reboot, in whichever order you wish.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] numb lock help

After returning home, I restarted NVDA (did not restart the computer) and it fixed itself. All is working as it should now.

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] numb lock help

 

First, let's address the most simple possible solution.  Have you rebootted since the problem started? 

 

If you have and it didn't solve the problem, I'll send another message discussing other things you can try.  For now, I'll say that there is nothing you could have typed that is a command to make such a change.  Whether something you typed caused some sort of malfunction, I couldn't say but there is nothing you could have typed that any designer intended to cause this change

 

Last, there are many larger laptops with numpads.  . 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: slery

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 10:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] numb lock help

 

No, I mean a desktop just as I indicated. Laptops do not have a number pad
unless you by an external.

I have also discovered that it does the same thing with the + - * and /. It
apparently has to do with NVDA because I have it in all programs except
Money Talks where NVDA is asleep and I am using self voicing for that
program as I prefer the way it reads things.
Cindy


On January 2, 2018 5:10:20 PM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists@...> wrote:

> I have no idea, but most of us find the exact opposite, ie its turned on
> when we want it off!
>  I'm assuming you mean its alaptop and that its toggled now by a single key.
> I cannot imagine how this might be achieved.
>  is there a fn key on the machine somewhere.
>  Brian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "slery" <slerythema@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:15 PM
> Subject: [nvda] numb lock help
>
>
>>I have accidently done something to the number pad on my keyboard
>>(desktop).
>> When I hit the / on the numb pad it turns off the numb lock. So, if I want
>> to type a date I type 1/ and then the numb lock is off and I can't type
>> the
>> rest of the date without turning the numb lock back on. It was probably
>> some
>> kind of accidental multiple key press on the numb pad as this is when it
>> started.
>>
>>
>>
>> Desperately seeking help,
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: numb lock help

slery <slerythema@...>
 

After returning home, I restarted NVDA (did not restart the computer) and it fixed itself. All is working as it should now.

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] numb lock help

 

First, let's address the most simple possible solution.  Have you rebootted since the problem started? 

 

If you have and it didn't solve the problem, I'll send another message discussing other things you can try.  For now, I'll say that there is nothing you could have typed that is a command to make such a change.  Whether something you typed caused some sort of malfunction, I couldn't say but there is nothing you could have typed that any designer intended to cause this change

 

Last, there are many larger laptops with numpads.  . 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: slery

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 10:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] numb lock help

 

No, I mean a desktop just as I indicated. Laptops do not have a number pad
unless you by an external.

I have also discovered that it does the same thing with the + - * and /. It
apparently has to do with NVDA because I have it in all programs except
Money Talks where NVDA is asleep and I am using self voicing for that
program as I prefer the way it reads things.
Cindy


On January 2, 2018 5:10:20 PM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists@...> wrote:

> I have no idea, but most of us find the exact opposite, ie its turned on
> when we want it off!
>  I'm assuming you mean its alaptop and that its toggled now by a single key.
> I cannot imagine how this might be achieved.
>  is there a fn key on the machine somewhere.
>  Brian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "slery" <slerythema@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:15 PM
> Subject: [nvda] numb lock help
>
>
>>I have accidently done something to the number pad on my keyboard
>>(desktop).
>> When I hit the / on the numb pad it turns off the numb lock. So, if I want
>> to type a date I type 1/ and then the numb lock is off and I can't type
>> the
>> rest of the date without turning the numb lock back on. It was probably
>> some
>> kind of accidental multiple key press on the numb pad as this is when it
>> started.
>>
>>
>>
>> Desperately seeking help,
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Weather Plus 4.7 03.01.2018 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 


Hi to every one,
Changes in this version:
• Simplified the update section;
Now at the start, in case an update is available it will be possible to proceed directly through a single dialog box.
• removed the file selector in the update section;
Now the update file is uploaded to the temporary folder, thereby solving problems due to non-expert users.
 
Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
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or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html
 
I wish you all a happy 2018.
Adriano Barbieri


Re: numb lock help

Gene
 

First, let's address the most simple possible solution.  Have you rebootted since the problem started? 
 
If you have and it didn't solve the problem, I'll send another message discussing other things you can try.  For now, I'll say that there is nothing you could have typed that is a command to make such a change.  Whether something you typed caused some sort of malfunction, I couldn't say but there is nothing you could have typed that any designer intended to cause this change
 
Last, there are many larger laptops with numpads.  . 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] numb lock help

No, I mean a desktop just as I indicated. Laptops do not have a number pad
unless you by an external.

I have also discovered that it does the same thing with the + - * and /. It
apparently has to do with NVDA because I have it in all programs except
Money Talks where NVDA is asleep and I am using self voicing for that
program as I prefer the way it reads things.
Cindy


On January 2, 2018 5:10:20 PM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists@...> wrote:

> I have no idea, but most of us find the exact opposite, ie its turned on
> when we want it off!
>  I'm assuming you mean its alaptop and that its toggled now by a single key.
> I cannot imagine how this might be achieved.
>  is there a fn key on the machine somewhere.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "slery" <slerythema@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:15 PM
> Subject: [nvda] numb lock help
>
>
>>I have accidently done something to the number pad on my keyboard
>>(desktop).
>> When I hit the / on the numb pad it turns off the numb lock. So, if I want
>> to type a date I type 1/ and then the numb lock is off and I can't type
>> the
>> rest of the date without turning the numb lock back on. It was probably
>> some
>> kind of accidental multiple key press on the numb pad as this is when it
>> started.
>>
>>
>>
>> Desperately seeking help,
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: numb lock help

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I do in fact get the / and by pressing / * - or+ it turns off number lock
and I can't type any more numbers without pressing numb lock.

Pressing enter on numb pad does not cause this to happen.
Cindy


On January 2, 2018 2:23:08 PM "Antony Stone"
<antony.stone@...> wrote:

When you press the / key, do you get the / symbol?

I ask because on my number pad, the Num Lock key is the top left, whereas the
/ key is immediately to its right.

I just wonder whether you're pressing the Num Lock key instead (which would be
indicated by not getting the / symbol when you press the button), and
therefore the next key to the right is the one you need?

On my number pad, the keys on the top row, from left to right, and Num Lock, /
(slash), * (asterisk) and - (minus).


Antony.

On Tuesday 02 January 2018 at 20:15:45, slery wrote:

I have accidently done something to the number pad on my keyboard
(desktop). When I hit the / on the numb pad it turns off the numb lock.
So, if I want to type a date I type 1/ and then the numb lock is off and I
can't type the rest of the date without turning the numb lock back on. It
was probably some kind of accidental multiple key press on the numb pad as
this is when it started.

Desperately seeking help,

Cindy
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Re: numb lock help

slery <slerythema@...>
 

No, I mean a desktop just as I indicated. Laptops do not have a number pad
unless you by an external.

I have also discovered that it does the same thing with the + - * and /. It
apparently has to do with NVDA because I have it in all programs except
Money Talks where NVDA is asleep and I am using self voicing for that
program as I prefer the way it reads things.
Cindy


On January 2, 2018 5:10:20 PM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists@...> wrote:

I have no idea, but most of us find the exact opposite, ie its turned on
when we want it off!
I'm assuming you mean its alaptop and that its toggled now by a single key.
I cannot imagine how this might be achieved.
is there a fn key on the machine somewhere.
Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
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in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "slery" <slerythema@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:15 PM
Subject: [nvda] numb lock help


I have accidently done something to the number pad on my keyboard
(desktop).
When I hit the / on the numb pad it turns off the numb lock. So, if I want
to type a date I type 1/ and then the numb lock is off and I can't type
the
rest of the date without turning the numb lock back on. It was probably
some
kind of accidental multiple key press on the numb pad as this is when it
started.



Desperately seeking help,

Cindy




Re: Issues with dropbox addon

Roger Stewart
 

This is very strange and may be related to your system only as I'm having no problems with it here.

Roger

On 1/2/2018 3:36 PM, Fernando Apan wrote:
Oops, sorry. I ment to write D in stead of F, that was my mistake. But in fact, the icon is there, because I can see it from the system trade. It's just that NVDA doesn't read the dropbox sttatus.
Cheers.

Fernando Apan.


In the first place, the hotkey for the dropbox add on is NVDA + Alt + D and not F. Second, dropbox not found may just mean it's icon isn't showing in the system tray and you need to go to settings, personalization, then choose which icons appear in the system tray and make sure dropbox is turned on. This should fix it.

Roger









On 1/1/2018 9:40 PM, Fernando Apan wrote:
Hi Everyone,

First of all, I hope you all are having a great year.

I'm experiensing a very extrainge problem with the firefox addon. It seems it hasn't been updated for a while. When I install it and press NVDA+alt+f I get this message: dropbox not found.

Would you please help me to figure out what could be happening?

Thanks in advance.


Fernando Apan.




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Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: seeking recommendations for one or two professional grade apps to showcase

Adriani Botez
 

This would be huge work since sap and other similar professional software are very complex. You need to work with them for months in order to understand all processes and tcover them into a good tutorial. Additionally, be aware that sap and similar applications are highly customizable, even with respect to their interface. I guess if users learn your great tutorials until now then they can work with NVDA in every new accessible application...

For sap and co, I would recomend to visit specific seminars and to seek exchange of experiences in related forums after all existing NVDA-Funktions have been learned through existing nvda-tutorials etc.....

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 03.01.2018 um 03:23 schrieb Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>:

Hi,

That’s the thing. My budget is tight, so I need to work with at least a demo copy. Also, as a web interface, it may work differently on different browsers.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: seeking recommendations for one or two professional grade apps to showcase

 

Joseph,

 

I vote for the web interface of  SAP. I don’t know how you will get access to it.

 

Pranav


Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: seeking recommendations for one or two professional grade apps to showcase

 

Hi,

That’s the thing. My budget is tight, so I need to work with at least a demo copy. Also, as a web interface, it may work differently on different browsers.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: seeking recommendations for one or two professional grade apps to showcase

 

Joseph,

 

I vote for the web interface of  SAP. I don’t know how you will get access to it.

 

Pranav


Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: seeking recommendations for one or two professional grade apps to showcase

Pranav Lal
 

Joseph,

 

I vote for the web interface of  SAP. I don’t know how you will get access to it.

 

Pranav


Re: making IE your default browser

Arlene
 

Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-02-18 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] making IE your default browser

 

It would be a very good idea to use firefox or Chrome.  Browsing itself is identical because they all use browse mode.  The settings interface is somewhat different.  The bookmarks interface is very similar in firefox, a little different in Chrome.  Firefox has a very good search feature.  It's so convenient that I never organize book marks. 

 

Internet Explorer is receiving security updates but it has had no technical work done on it for a number of years. 

 

I'm not sure how accessible Edge is yet but it may now be a good alternative as well. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: [nvda] making IE your default browser

 

Hi. I’m shopping around for a win ten computer. I need to know how to make IE my default Browser.  Thought someone posted some info on how to do it. I thought I kept the info. I can’t for the life of me find it. How does one make IE the default browser? Thanks and have a good day!


Re: making IE your default browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

Another good thing about firefox is that it's faster than internet explorer.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] making IE your default browser

 

It would be a very good idea to use firefox or Chrome.  Browsing itself is identical because they all use browse mode.  The settings interface is somewhat different.  The bookmarks interface is very similar in firefox, a little different in Chrome.  Firefox has a very good search feature.  It's so convenient that I never organize book marks. 

 

Internet Explorer is receiving security updates but it has had no technical work done on it for a number of years. 

 

I'm not sure how accessible Edge is yet but it may now be a good alternative as well. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: [nvda] making IE your default browser

 

Hi. I’m shopping around for a win ten computer. I need to know how to make IE my default Browser.  Thought someone posted some info on how to do it. I thought I kept the info. I can’t for the life of me find it. How does one make IE the default browser? Thanks and have a good day!


Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, oseph,

 

I'm really enjoying the tutorial so-far. It's a good review for me.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

 

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

The next part in Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorials set is now up on www.josephsl.net. This part concerns basic web browsing concepts and commands and completes the basics set in this series (and the first half of this set).

 

Changes from 2015:

 

  • Completely redone with new examples and with use of Windows OneCore voices.
  • Microsoft Edge (Windows 10 Version 1709) and Mozilla Firefox (version 58 beta) were used (see below for explanations). For the most part, Edge is used, but for some things, Firefox is better.
  • Added a dedicated section on screen layout.
  • Added an actual example of partially turning off browse mode (single letter navigation on/off) in web applications, specifically for embedded video player on YouTube website.
  • Changes to first letter navigation sections, including reduced coverage for embedded objects (it was a dedicated section in 2015, but now one of the elements in 2018), long descriptions now part of graphics, and a comment on ability to move to read-only edit fields. Differences between web browsers and support for elements is also highlighted.
  • Added coverage for the following elements and first letter commands: annotations (A), spelling errors (W). They won’t work on web browsers but will work while browse mode is engaged in Microsoft Word.
  • Added a dedicated section on refreshing web content.
  • Elements list has been expanded to cover new elements not only for web browsing (including the new form fields and buttons options), but also for Microsoft Word (comments and spelling errors) and Microsoft Excel (charts, formulas, cell comments and sheets). Element activation and movement examples are based on form fields.
  • Examples of live regions are showcased.
  • Added a segment on interacting with online math content (requires properly formatted MathML content and installation of MathPlayer from Design Science).

 

Again each topic is its own mp3 file. Combined, they run for over two hours, with the tour of first letter navigation commands taking 65 minutes to traverse (spread over two segments). Because of the length of this part, I didn’t have time to demonstrate reading PDF files in Microsoft Edge nor dealing with a more realistic web application (I wanted to use Google Docs for this but it didn’t work out in the end due to time and complexity involved).

 

A bit of explanation as to why I used two web browsers: I did it for three important reasons:

 

  1. To highlight latest developments in web browsing and how far browsers have come.
  2. To demonstrate the fact that different web browsers display the same website differently.
  3. To showcase what works and doesn’t work for each browser, mostly to highlight strengths and current limitations with Microsoft Edge.

 

Enjoy the tutorials. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph