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two suggestions about nvda on web

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Hi all:

  I have two suggestions about nvda browse on website.

  First, nvda will be lost graphic when the graphic has no any "alt text", example: alt = "" or no alt attribute.
this design let us no method click it (if is can onclick) or make something for this graphic (if download the graphic) because this graphic is gone in nvda's world,
so I hope nvda still show this graphic by "gra" or some signed, tell us graphic has exists.
I think if later nvda can do the mark on the graph, then the graph should be displayed anyway.

  Second, the wai-aria attribute "aria-expanded" show condition is put upside down.
if aria-expanded = false, nvda will announce "collapsed" is right but braille display show "+" (plus),
if aria-expanded = true, nvda will announce "expanded" is right but braille display show "-" (minus).
Is not the plus and minus the opposite display?
or I would like to know why the plus sign is collapsed and minus is expanded yet?
Because this thinking seems to be somewhat different from our Asians.

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thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan


Re: What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Arlene
 

Right on.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: January-05-18 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

 

Foobar? Yes, certainly it will.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: January 5, 2018 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

 

Does it work for win ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: January-05-18 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

 

Foobar2000.

https://foobar2000.org


You can set up your own keyboard shortcuts, and it also has a youtube plugin.

On 1/5/2018 6:32 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

An alternative approach may be not to use the Winamp Library at all.

I have never ever imported music into the Winamp library and simply use Explorer or Explorer ++ to organise my Music

 

I then use Winamp from the context menu of the folder or simply to launch individual Mp3 files.

If I want to organise playlists I use Mp3Tag to do this.

Additionally I have  also had problems with Winamp on occasion but resolved it by in-installing and downloading the version available on Nimite.com.

This kseems  to work fine at the moment on both my desktop and Laptop.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: John Isige
Sent: 05 January 2018 07:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

 

Hi all. I'm looking for a Winamp replacement, since it keeps crashing,

apparently the amount of music I have is just too much for it. I like

Winamp's minimal interface. I don't have to tab all over the place to

get to things, I don't have to hit weird alt function key combinations,

stuff like that. I loathe iTunes, in case anybody wants to suggest it.

Also, I'm looking for something modern, or at least maintained, so

please don't start telling me about how if you find just the right

website, you can download a version of Windows Media Player from twelve

ears ago that's awesome!

 

 

I tried playing with Groove a bit. It works, but there seems to be no

keyboard shortcuts to speak of, at least not that I saw, and it was tab

central through a bunch of stuff I don't really care about. But maybe I

just need to learn it better. I organize my own music, so other than

pointing it at a folder and letting it go on random or shuffle or

whatever, I don't think I need an organizer. I thought of VLC but I'm

not sure if that has enough control or accessibility, though I gather

you can make whatever keyboard shortcuts for it you want, so it's a

possibility.

 

 

If anybody's got recommendations, I'd surely appreciate some. I'd keep

using Winamp, but apparently 200 plus GB of music is the point at which

Winamp throws up its hands and runs away to hide in a closet. So I guess

it's time to use something else, which is too bad, because I still dig

Winamp.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Arlene
 

I love winamp. I swear by it. But if I have to. I'll learn another player.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: January-05-18 3:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

VLC is a necessity imo if you play a lot of videos. If you're only in it for the audio, winamp works as well as ever on my Windows 10 setup, except for automatic database retrieval, which is broken because Winamp no longer has a license rather than because of Windows 10. Only thing to do is try it and see. Results always vary on every system, as this thread illustrates.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: January 5, 2018 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

It does? I like winamp. But if it crashes for win ten. Or can't really be used. I'd learn another player.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: January-05-18 10:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Hi,
VLC rocks.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Hi,

I use vlc which is pretty good for what I need.



Il 05/01/2018 ha scritto:




On 1/5/2018 3:39 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Gom player offers full interface via context menu and shortcut keys -
it's my current multimedia player software:

http://www.gomlab.com/


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2018/01/05 09:25, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. I'm looking for a Winamp replacement, since it keeps
crashing, apparently the amount of music I have is just too much for
it. I like Winamp's minimal interface. I don't have to tab all over
the place to get to things, I don't have to hit weird alt function
key combinations, stuff like that. I loathe iTunes, in case anybody
wants to suggest it. Also, I'm looking for something modern, or at
least maintained, so please don't start telling me about how if you
find just the right website, you can download a version of Windows
Media Player from twelve ears ago that's awesome!


I tried playing with Groove a bit. It works, but there seems to be
no keyboard shortcuts to speak of, at least not that I saw, and it
was tab central through a bunch of stuff I don't really care about.
But maybe I just need to learn it better. I organize my own music,
so other than pointing it at a folder and letting it go on random or
shuffle or whatever, I don't think I need an organizer. I thought of
VLC but I'm not sure if that has enough control or accessibility,
though I gather you can make whatever keyboard shortcuts for it you
want, so it's a possibility.


If anybody's got recommendations, I'd surely appreciate some. I'd
keep using Winamp, but apparently 200 plus GB of music is the point
at which Winamp throws up its hands and runs away to hide in a
closet. So I guess it's time to use something else, which is too
bad, because I still dig Winamp.









Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

Arlene
 

Oh right on. I’ve only used Windows Media player, real player and winamp in the xp days. But I use only winamp on this 7 box.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mk360
Sent: January-05-18 4:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

 

Hi,

 

I use foobar2000, it's last stable version is accessible, you can set key commands on the preferences menu (by default many are disabled) it has many plugins to give more functions, for example I use plugins for monkeys audio, an other to cast to chromecast, etc.

 

I also use VLC, but for music I prefer Foobar2000 wich I feel more accessible.

 

Regards,

mk

 

El 05/01/2018 a las 19:34, JM Casey escribió:

So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m really interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace winamp exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have another audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to. That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did get really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still the only video player for me).

 

Looking at their site, I notice there are *loads* of extensions  and plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?

 

Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of you have customised the programme quite extensively. Tell me about this, just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?

 

 

 


Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Adriani Botez
 

Hello,

Reading in multiple languages depends on the ability of the screen reader to automatically use multiple braille output tables. It doesn‘t matter which braille display you are choosing. As of now, there is the addon braille extender which let you configure 2 output tables to be combined while reading.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 06.01.2018 um 01:15 schrieb Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>:

This message may be considered off-topic, but there is really nowhere in particular where I can try to engage those who’ve “been there, done that” (or may be there doing that) with this topic.  If the moderator believes this should not be further discussed on the group, then please post with that request.  I am happy to receive input either on the group or via private message or e-mail.

I may soon be taking on some contract work where one of the questions is what braille display would be best suited for use with foreign (non-English) characters both from an input and output perspective.  Since I am sighted and monolingual this particular need is something that’s entirely in the abstract for me.   This is definitely a time where input from those who have already encountered this need and tried things out would be invaluable.

I would also be curious as to whether those who are dealing with multiple languages where non-English-language character sets are being used have found it useful to use a language-specific keyboard.  It certainly makes text entry easier but only if you are able to familiarize yourself with the layout on said keyboard and get as comfortable with it as the keyboard you typically use.  I know that these are available as replacements on laptops so I’d have to presume that the external USB keyboard equivalent is available as well.

Also, if you as a multi-language computer user are willing to be a part of an “e-mail circle” about this please let me know.   This is a time where more input, and possibly conflicting input, is a very good thing provided you can describe how you’ve arrived at your conclusions.  It would be great to be the proverbial "fly on the wall" while those with long experience with this need discuss their experiences with each other.   This may or may not happen, but I thought I'd ask.

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Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

 

Jason,

             Thanks for this information on NVDA.  I am familiar with both NVDA and JAWS and since the option would exist to experiment with NVDA (though the client is an experienced JAWS user) this is great to know.

Rui,

           The question of whether a Braille display versus a note taker would be better is an open one.  That's part of what needs to be clarified.

            I am not certain about whether the text would need to be able to be entered via a Perkins-style keyboard or not, but I thought it would be worth asking.  That's what my "spin off" question regarding language specific keyboards arose from.  Nothing is fixed in stone as of this time.

            As you saw in my response to Jason JAWS is the current primary, but I do not know whether the client would be open to using NVDA if its multi-language switching facility were significantly less cumbersome than that of JAWS or not.

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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: New add-on - IndentNav

 

Hi,

For me, no need for the commit SHA hash, as I can pull in latest commits and copy the add-on file to the right location for you.

Also, a few things to note:

  • File names: camel case, so it’ll look like “indentNav”. It is too late to change the build vars as we’ll run into problems.
  • I highly recommend using tags and GitHub releases for stable builds.
  • As for declaring your add-on as stable, it is really up to you to tell us.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New add-on - IndentNav

 

Hi Derek,

I just made a new release of IndentNav. Here are the details:

 

IndentNav v1.2 release:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/raw/master/releases/IndentNav-1.2.nvda-addon

 

SHA1:
558d781b9b013be7e0ac8b3baf523921e374ef89  IndentNav-1.2.nvda-addon

SHA256:
3dbf502372167252e4dd56da244dc54871862b4af52540bce44914e73f1192d8  IndentNav-1.2.nvda-addon

Also in the future when I decide to make a new release, will I have to send you updated checksums?

 

Thanks

Tony

 

 

On 1/3/2018 2:03 PM, derek riemer wrote:

Ping me when you create a new release, and if you can, send me a sha1 or sha256 hash (Make sure to tell me which).  Or provide me with a link so I can go verify the hashes myself.

 

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

Hi Derek,

 

I have fixed all the changes you proposed. I haven't made a new release yet though. IF that's OK, I'll be happy if you can publish it on the official NVDA add-ons site.

 

Thanks

Tony

 

On 1/1/2018 7:28 PM, derek riemer wrote:

We need you to put a GPL header on this file so that anyone downloading it knows it complies with GPL (This is because it's running in NVDA's GPL process).

 

 

Next, let us know when you are ready for this to go on the addons site (if you want that which I assume you do).

 

Other tidbits, not needing changed to pass code review:

def isEmptyLine(self, s):

Did you know about speech.isBlank?

 

 

Why is there a random pass at the end of the file?

 

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

Hi guys,


I just wrote my first NVDA add-on:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav


It solves two problems:

1. In browsers you can jump to paragraphs with the same horizontal offset. For example, it can be useful to read first-level comments on web-pages that present a hierarchical trees of comments, like reddit. Now you can simply find the first comment and press NVDA+Alt+DownArrow to go to the next first-level comment.

2. While editing source code in many programming languages, it allows you to navigate by the indentation level. For example, you can move to previous/next lines with the same indentation level by pressing NVDA+Alt+Up or DownArrow. You can also jump to a parent line or to first child.


Please let me know if anyone finds it useful, or if you have any suggestions.


Tony









--

Derek Riemer: Improving the world one byte at a time!

·         University of Colorado Boulder Department of computer science, 4th year undergraduate student.

·         Accessibility enthusiast.

·         Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.

·         Open source enthusiast.

·         Skier.

Personal website

 

 




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Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry, but can you clarify some points?

1 - Are you talking of Braille displays or NoteTakers Braille?
2 - Do you mean inputing text with a Braille keyboard?
3 - Do you know that is the screen reader that controls the input/output Braille language of the Braille display?

Rui

Às 23:15 de 05/01/2018, Brian Vogel escreveu:

This message may be considered off-topic, but there is really nowhere in particular where I can try to engage those who’ve “been there, done that” (or may be there doing that) with this topic.  If the moderator believes this should not be further discussed on the group, then please post with that request.  I am happy to receive input either on the group or via private message or e-mail.
I may soon be taking on some contract work where one of the questions is what braille display would be best suited for use with foreign (non-English) characters both from an input and output perspective.  Since I am sighted and monolingual this particular need is something that’s entirely in the abstract for me.   This is definitely a time where input from those who have already encountered this need and tried things out would be invaluable.
I would also be curious as to whether those who are dealing with multiple languages where non-English-language character sets are being used have found it useful to use a language-specific keyboard.  It certainly makes text entry easier but only if you are able to familiarize yourself with the layout on said keyboard and get as comfortable with it as the keyboard you typically use.  I know that these are available as replacements on laptops so I’d have to presume that the external USB keyboard equivalent is available as well.
Also, if you as a multi-language computer user are willing to be a part of an “e-mail circle” about this please let me know.   This is a time where more input, and possibly conflicting input, is a very good thing provided you can describe how you’ve arrived at your conclusions.  It would be great to be the proverbial "fly on the wall" while those with long experience with this need discuss their experiences with each other.   This may or may not happen, but I thought I'd ask.
--
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*/~ /**/Niels Bohr/*


Re: New add-on - IndentNav

Tony Malykh
 

Hi Derek,

I just made a new release of IndentNav. Here are the details:


IndentNav v1.2 release:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/raw/master/releases/IndentNav-1.2.nvda-addon


SHA1:
558d781b9b013be7e0ac8b3baf523921e374ef89  IndentNav-1.2.nvda-addon

SHA256:
3dbf502372167252e4dd56da244dc54871862b4af52540bce44914e73f1192d8  IndentNav-1.2.nvda-addon

Also in the future when I decide to make a new release, will I have to send you updated checksums?


Thanks

Tony



On 1/3/2018 2:03 PM, derek riemer wrote:
Ping me when you create a new release, and if you can, send me a sha1 or sha256 hash (Make sure to tell me which).  Or provide me with a link so I can go verify the hashes myself.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

Hi Derek,


I have fixed all the changes you proposed. I haven't made a new release yet though. IF that's OK, I'll be happy if you can publish it on the official NVDA add-ons site.


Thanks

Tony


On 1/1/2018 7:28 PM, derek riemer wrote:
We need you to put a GPL header on this file so that anyone downloading it knows it complies with GPL (This is because it's running in NVDA's GPL process).


Next, let us know when you are ready for this to go on the addons site (if you want that which I assume you do).

Other tidbits, not needing changed to pass code review:
def isEmptyLine(self, s):
Did you know about speech.isBlank?


Why is there a random pass at the end of the file?

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
Hi guys,


I just wrote my first NVDA add-on:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav


It solves two problems:

1. In browsers you can jump to paragraphs with the same horizontal offset. For example, it can be useful to read first-level comments on web-pages that present a hierarchical trees of comments, like reddit. Now you can simply find the first comment and press NVDA+Alt+DownArrow to go to the next first-level comment.

2. While editing source code in many programming languages, it allows you to navigate by the indentation level. For example, you can move to previous/next lines with the same indentation level by pressing NVDA+Alt+Up or DownArrow. You can also jump to a parent line or to first child.


Please let me know if anyone finds it useful, or if you have any suggestions.


Tony










--

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  • University of Colorado Boulder Department of computer science, 4th year undergraduate student.
  • Accessibility enthusiast.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Skier.

Personal website




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  • Accessibility enthusiast.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Skier.

Personal website




Re: What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Lino,

I use winamp for playing streams but for the most part I use windows media player for playing my music files and for ripping CD's. All my music is on an external hard drive.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 11:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Where is all your music? How about playing it off an external drive? I use iTunes for all my apple music. Really I keep Winamp around so I can play streams.


On 1/5/2018 2:13 PM, John Isige wrote:
Yes, really. It will be in the middle of playing music, and it will
crash. I'm using a minimal installation, no device sync stuff, no
Winamp Agent, no library. I have no idea why it crashes and I'm
frankly not interested in dicking around with it to find out. That's
probably because I had to reset my PC twice in the last month or so,
so this is my second go-round of reinstalling all and sundry. So at
this point, I'll just take a media player that works if it's decent.


On 1/5/2018 3:01, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Really? The question is why does it crash.
Normally if its used just to do the playing not the actual running of
a database its still got the edge over other ones, you need to stop
the portable device detector though as that has always crashed randomly.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 7:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?


Hi all. I'm looking for a Winamp replacement, since it keeps
crashing, apparently the amount of music I have is just too much for
it. I like Winamp's minimal interface. I don't have to tab all over
the place to get to things, I don't have to hit weird alt function
key combinations, stuff like that. I loathe iTunes, in case anybody
wants to suggest it. Also, I'm looking for something modern, or at
least maintained, so please don't start telling me about how if you
find just the right website, you can download a version of Windows
Media Player from twelve ears ago that's awesome!


I tried playing with Groove a bit. It works, but there seems to be
no keyboard shortcuts to speak of, at least not that I saw, and it
was tab central through a bunch of stuff I don't really care about.
But maybe I just need to learn it better. I organize my own music,
so other than pointing it at a folder and letting it go on random or
shuffle or whatever, I don't think I need an organizer. I thought of
VLC but I'm not sure if that has enough control or accessibility,
though I gather you can make whatever keyboard shortcuts for it you
want, so it's a possibility.


If anybody's got recommendations, I'd surely appreciate some. I'd
keep using Winamp, but apparently 200 plus GB of music is the point
at which Winamp throws up its hands and runs away to hide in a
closet. So I guess it's time to use something else, which is too
bad, because I still dig Winamp.








Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Jason White
 

I notice you’ve posted this query to multiple mailing lists. Since I’ve already replied elsewhere, I’ll add here that the recently announced

BrailleExtender add-on for NVDA is said to enable rapid switching between several input and output translation tables. If multiple languages are to be used effectively involving different character sets, this feature is desirable, so the user doesn’t have to enter a preference menu every time it is necessary to switch between braille tables.

 

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/brailleExtender.ta.html

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

 

This message may be considered off-topic, but there is really nowhere in particular where I can try to engage those who’ve “been there, done that” (or may be there doing that) with this topic.  If the moderator believes this should not be further discussed on the group, then please post with that request.  I am happy to receive input either on the group or via private message or e-mail.

I may soon be taking on some contract work where one of the questions is what braille display would be best suited for use with foreign (non-English) characters both from an input and output perspective.  Since I am sighted and monolingual this particular need is something that’s entirely in the abstract for me.   This is definitely a time where input from those who have already encountered this need and tried things out would be invaluable.

I would also be curious as to whether those who are dealing with multiple languages where non-English-language character sets are being used have found it useful to use a language-specific keyboard.  It certainly makes text entry easier but only if you are able to familiarize yourself with the layout on said keyboard and get as comfortable with it as the keyboard you typically use.  I know that these are available as replacements on laptops so I’d have to presume that the external USB keyboard equivalent is available as well.

Also, if you as a multi-language computer user are willing to be a part of an “e-mail circle” about this please let me know.   This is a time where more input, and possibly conflicting input, is a very good thing provided you can describe how you’ve arrived at your conclusions.  It would be great to be the proverbial "fly on the wall" while those with long experience with this need discuss their experiences with each other.   This may or may not happen, but I thought I'd ask.

--
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

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Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

mk360
 

Hi,


I use foobar2000, it's last stable version is accessible, you can set key commands on the preferences menu (by default many are disabled) it has many plugins to give more functions, for example I use plugins for monkeys audio, an other to cast to chromecast, etc.


I also use VLC, but for music I prefer Foobar2000 wich I feel more accessible.


Regards,

mk


El 05/01/2018 a las 19:34, JM Casey escribió:

So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m really interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace winamp exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have another audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to. That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did get really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still the only video player for me).

 

Looking at their site, I notice there are *loads* of extensions  and plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?

 

Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of you have customised the programme quite extensively. Tell me about this, just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?

 

 



Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I'm in agreement with David. This time around the tutorial is so much better and you did a much better job of explaining  the concepts so that people who are new to NVDA can understand it so much better. I too thought the 2015 tutorial was done very fast. Thank you so much for this new tutorial. I can hardly wait until it's all finished.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 4:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

 

Hi Joseph!

I have listened to all of your tutorials for NVDA 2018 sets you have done so far.

They are so clear to understand. Your voice and the Voice of NVDA comes through so very loud and clear.

You explain the concepts slower, so that beginners will understand what you are saying.

All of this, is so much better than the 2015 series. You talked and did tasks so much faster in 2015. In this 2018 tutorial, you take the time to really explain what is going on, and I believe the very beginner can learn a lot from these new tutorials.

You explained NVDA and the web so well this time around. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking all of the time to do these tutorials.

I know that many will learn how to use NVDA from these tutorials.

I will recommend them to many people who want to learn NVDA on Facebook Groups that I am on.

Thanks, Joseph, and I really appreciate what you are doing.

I can’t wait until the entire set of tutorials are finished. I will download them, and put them in a Drop Box account, so I can share them with many people.

Take care, and I wish you the very best!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mário Navarro
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 3:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

 

 


Hello Joseph.

great work!
 Thank you good friend.
long life to Joseph Lee.
Cheers.

 

Às 17:19 de 02/01/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

The next part in Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorials set is now up on www.josephsl.net. This part concerns basic web browsing concepts and commands and completes the basics set in this series (and the first half of this set).

 

Changes from 2015:

 

·         Completely redone with new examples and with use of Windows OneCore voices.

·         Microsoft Edge (Windows 10 Version 1709) and Mozilla Firefox (version 58 beta) were used (see below for explanations). For the most part, Edge is used, but for some things, Firefox is better.

·         Added a dedicated section on screen layout.

·         Added an actual example of partially turning off browse mode (single letter navigation on/off) in web applications, specifically for embedded video player on YouTube website.

·         Changes to first letter navigation sections, including reduced coverage for embedded objects (it was a dedicated section in 2015, but now one of the elements in 2018), long descriptions now part of graphics, and a comment on ability to move to read-only edit fields. Differences between web browsers and support for elements is also highlighted.

·         Added coverage for the following elements and first letter commands: annotations (A), spelling errors (W). They won’t work on web browsers but will work while browse mode is engaged in Microsoft Word.

·         Added a dedicated section on refreshing web content.

·         Elements list has been expanded to cover new elements not only for web browsing (including the new form fields and buttons options), but also for Microsoft Word (comments and spelling errors) and Microsoft Excel (charts, formulas, cell comments and sheets). Element activation and movement examples are based on form fields.

·         Examples of live regions are showcased.

·         Added a segment on interacting with online math content (requires properly formatted MathML content and installation of MathPlayer from Design Science).

 

Again each topic is its own mp3 file. Combined, they run for over two hours, with the tour of first letter navigation commands taking 65 minutes to traverse (spread over two segments). Because of the length of this part, I didn’t have time to demonstrate reading PDF files in Microsoft Edge nor dealing with a more realistic web application (I wanted to use Google Docs for this but it didn’t work out in the end due to time and complexity involved).

 

A bit of explanation as to why I used two web browsers: I did it for three important reasons:

 

1.       To highlight latest developments in web browsing and how far browsers have come.

2.       To demonstrate the fact that different web browsers display the same website differently.

3.       To showcase what works and doesn’t work for each browser, mostly to highlight strengths and current limitations with Microsoft Edge.

 

Enjoy the tutorials. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 


Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

David Moore
 

Hi Joseph!

I have listened to all of your tutorials for NVDA 2018 sets you have done so far.

They are so clear to understand. Your voice and the Voice of NVDA comes through so very loud and clear.

You explain the concepts slower, so that beginners will understand what you are saying.

All of this, is so much better than the 2015 series. You talked and did tasks so much faster in 2015. In this 2018 tutorial, you take the time to really explain what is going on, and I believe the very beginner can learn a lot from these new tutorials.

You explained NVDA and the web so well this time around. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking all of the time to do these tutorials.

I know that many will learn how to use NVDA from these tutorials.

I will recommend them to many people who want to learn NVDA on Facebook Groups that I am on.

Thanks, Joseph, and I really appreciate what you are doing.

I can’t wait until the entire set of tutorials are finished. I will download them, and put them in a Drop Box account, so I can share them with many people.

Take care, and I wish you the very best!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mário Navarro
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 3:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

 

 


Hello Joseph.

great work!
 Thank you good friend.
long life to Joseph Lee.
Cheers.

 

Às 17:19 de 02/01/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

The next part in Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorials set is now up on www.josephsl.net. This part concerns basic web browsing concepts and commands and completes the basics set in this series (and the first half of this set).

 

Changes from 2015:

 

·         Completely redone with new examples and with use of Windows OneCore voices.

·         Microsoft Edge (Windows 10 Version 1709) and Mozilla Firefox (version 58 beta) were used (see below for explanations). For the most part, Edge is used, but for some things, Firefox is better.

·         Added a dedicated section on screen layout.

·         Added an actual example of partially turning off browse mode (single letter navigation on/off) in web applications, specifically for embedded video player on YouTube website.

·         Changes to first letter navigation sections, including reduced coverage for embedded objects (it was a dedicated section in 2015, but now one of the elements in 2018), long descriptions now part of graphics, and a comment on ability to move to read-only edit fields. Differences between web browsers and support for elements is also highlighted.

·         Added coverage for the following elements and first letter commands: annotations (A), spelling errors (W). They won’t work on web browsers but will work while browse mode is engaged in Microsoft Word.

·         Added a dedicated section on refreshing web content.

·         Elements list has been expanded to cover new elements not only for web browsing (including the new form fields and buttons options), but also for Microsoft Word (comments and spelling errors) and Microsoft Excel (charts, formulas, cell comments and sheets). Element activation and movement examples are based on form fields.

·         Examples of live regions are showcased.

·         Added a segment on interacting with online math content (requires properly formatted MathML content and installation of MathPlayer from Design Science).

 

Again each topic is its own mp3 file. Combined, they run for over two hours, with the tour of first letter navigation commands taking 65 minutes to traverse (spread over two segments). Because of the length of this part, I didn’t have time to demonstrate reading PDF files in Microsoft Edge nor dealing with a more realistic web application (I wanted to use Google Docs for this but it didn’t work out in the end due to time and complexity involved).

 

A bit of explanation as to why I used two web browsers: I did it for three important reasons:

 

1.       To highlight latest developments in web browsing and how far browsers have come.

2.       To demonstrate the fact that different web browsers display the same website differently.

3.       To showcase what works and doesn’t work for each browser, mostly to highlight strengths and current limitations with Microsoft Edge.

 

Enjoy the tutorials. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 


Re: What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

VLC is a necessity imo if you play a lot of videos. If you're only in it for the audio, winamp works as well as ever on my Windows 10 setup, except for automatic database retrieval, which is broken because Winamp no longer has a license rather than because of Windows 10. Only thing to do is try it and see. Results always vary on every system, as this thread illustrates.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: January 5, 2018 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

It does? I like winamp. But if it crashes for win ten. Or can't really be used. I'd learn another player.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: January-05-18 10:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Hi,
VLC rocks.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Hi,

I use vlc which is pretty good for what I need.



Il 05/01/2018 ha scritto:




On 1/5/2018 3:39 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Gom player offers full interface via context menu and shortcut keys -
it's my current multimedia player software:

http://www.gomlab.com/


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2018/01/05 09:25, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. I'm looking for a Winamp replacement, since it keeps
crashing, apparently the amount of music I have is just too much for
it. I like Winamp's minimal interface. I don't have to tab all over
the place to get to things, I don't have to hit weird alt function
key combinations, stuff like that. I loathe iTunes, in case anybody
wants to suggest it. Also, I'm looking for something modern, or at
least maintained, so please don't start telling me about how if you
find just the right website, you can download a version of Windows
Media Player from twelve ears ago that's awesome!


I tried playing with Groove a bit. It works, but there seems to be
no keyboard shortcuts to speak of, at least not that I saw, and it
was tab central through a bunch of stuff I don't really care about.
But maybe I just need to learn it better. I organize my own music,
so other than pointing it at a folder and letting it go on random or
shuffle or whatever, I don't think I need an organizer. I thought of
VLC but I'm not sure if that has enough control or accessibility,
though I gather you can make whatever keyboard shortcuts for it you
want, so it's a possibility.


If anybody's got recommendations, I'd surely appreciate some. I'd
keep using Winamp, but apparently 200 plus GB of music is the point
at which Winamp throws up its hands and runs away to hide in a
closet. So I guess it's time to use something else, which is too
bad, because I still dig Winamp.









Re: What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Foobar? Yes, certainly it will.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: January 5, 2018 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

 

Does it work for win ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: January-05-18 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

 

Foobar2000.

https://foobar2000.org


You can set up your own keyboard shortcuts, and it also has a youtube plugin.

On 1/5/2018 6:32 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

An alternative approach may be not to use the Winamp Library at all.

I have never ever imported music into the Winamp library and simply use Explorer or Explorer ++ to organise my Music

 

I then use Winamp from the context menu of the folder or simply to launch individual Mp3 files.

If I want to organise playlists I use Mp3Tag to do this.

Additionally I have  also had problems with Winamp on occasion but resolved it by in-installing and downloading the version available on Nimite.com.

This kseems  to work fine at the moment on both my desktop and Laptop.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: John Isige
Sent: 05 January 2018 07:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

 

Hi all. I'm looking for a Winamp replacement, since it keeps crashing,

apparently the amount of music I have is just too much for it. I like

Winamp's minimal interface. I don't have to tab all over the place to

get to things, I don't have to hit weird alt function key combinations,

stuff like that. I loathe iTunes, in case anybody wants to suggest it.

Also, I'm looking for something modern, or at least maintained, so

please don't start telling me about how if you find just the right

website, you can download a version of Windows Media Player from twelve

ears ago that's awesome!

 

 

I tried playing with Groove a bit. It works, but there seems to be no

keyboard shortcuts to speak of, at least not that I saw, and it was tab

central through a bunch of stuff I don't really care about. But maybe I

just need to learn it better. I organize my own music, so other than

pointing it at a folder and letting it go on random or shuffle or

whatever, I don't think I need an organizer. I thought of VLC but I'm

not sure if that has enough control or accessibility, though I gather

you can make whatever keyboard shortcuts for it you want, so it's a

possibility.

 

 

If anybody's got recommendations, I'd surely appreciate some. I'd keep

using Winamp, but apparently 200 plus GB of music is the point at which

Winamp throws up its hands and runs away to hide in a closet. So I guess

it's time to use something else, which is too bad, because I still dig

Winamp.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media playerbesides Winamp?)

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

 

I mostly use windows media player but on occasion I have used winamp. A friend of mine sent me his bookmarks for different stations which play in winamp. I have quite a few oldies stations as well as some from the big band era.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media playerbesides Winamp?)

 

I love VLC media player!

It is also a music editor, you can play DVD’s, or just play your music. There are many key commands for VLC.

Press spacebar to play and pause,

Shift+right arrow to fast forward and rewind a little bit, and press alt+arrow keys and CTRL+arrow keys to do the same by larger amounts. You can access a lot from the menus. VLC has been my favorite media player for two years now!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media playerbesides Winamp?)

 

Me too, or if anybody wants to gives tips on VLC for audio playback, I

can try that too. Gom Audio is gone, I loaded albums into it, it started

playing, and then pretty much locked up my machine, or at least the

keyboard. Nothing would work, not its context menu, Windows key-x, I

couldn't switch windows, you name it. So I hit the power button to shut

down, rebooted, and uninstalled it. I'm fine setting things up and

customizing, but my patience is like zero right now. If it can't even do

the basic thing it's supposed to, it's gone.

 

 

On 1/5/2018 16:34, JM Casey wrote:

> So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m really

> interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace winamp

> exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have another

> audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to.

> That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did get

> really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still the

> only video player for me).

> Looking at their site, I notice there are **loads** of extensions  and

> plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those

> essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?

> Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you

> assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of you

> have customised the programme quite extensively. Tell me about this,

> just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?

>

 

 

 

 


Re: What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Arlene
 

Does it work for win ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: January-05-18 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

 

Foobar2000.

https://foobar2000.org


You can set up your own keyboard shortcuts, and it also has a youtube plugin.

On 1/5/2018 6:32 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

An alternative approach may be not to use the Winamp Library at all.

I have never ever imported music into the Winamp library and simply use Explorer or Explorer ++ to organise my Music

 

I then use Winamp from the context menu of the folder or simply to launch individual Mp3 files.

If I want to organise playlists I use Mp3Tag to do this.

Additionally I have  also had problems with Winamp on occasion but resolved it by in-installing and downloading the version available on Nimite.com.

This kseems  to work fine at the moment on both my desktop and Laptop.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: John Isige
Sent: 05 January 2018 07:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

 

Hi all. I'm looking for a Winamp replacement, since it keeps crashing,

apparently the amount of music I have is just too much for it. I like

Winamp's minimal interface. I don't have to tab all over the place to

get to things, I don't have to hit weird alt function key combinations,

stuff like that. I loathe iTunes, in case anybody wants to suggest it.

Also, I'm looking for something modern, or at least maintained, so

please don't start telling me about how if you find just the right

website, you can download a version of Windows Media Player from twelve

ears ago that's awesome!

 

 

I tried playing with Groove a bit. It works, but there seems to be no

keyboard shortcuts to speak of, at least not that I saw, and it was tab

central through a bunch of stuff I don't really care about. But maybe I

just need to learn it better. I organize my own music, so other than

pointing it at a folder and letting it go on random or shuffle or

whatever, I don't think I need an organizer. I thought of VLC but I'm

not sure if that has enough control or accessibility, though I gather

you can make whatever keyboard shortcuts for it you want, so it's a

possibility.

 

 

If anybody's got recommendations, I'd surely appreciate some. I'd keep

using Winamp, but apparently 200 plus GB of music is the point at which

Winamp throws up its hands and runs away to hide in a closet. So I guess

it's time to use something else, which is too bad, because I still dig

Winamp.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Arlene
 

It does? I like winamp. But if it crashes for win ten. Or can't really be used. I'd learn another player.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: January-05-18 10:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Hi,
VLC rocks.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Hi,

I use vlc which is pretty good for what I need.



Il 05/01/2018 ha scritto:




On 1/5/2018 3:39 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Gom player offers full interface via context menu and shortcut keys -
it's my current multimedia player software:

http://www.gomlab.com/


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2018/01/05 09:25, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. I'm looking for a Winamp replacement, since it keeps
crashing, apparently the amount of music I have is just too much for
it. I like Winamp's minimal interface. I don't have to tab all over
the place to get to things, I don't have to hit weird alt function
key combinations, stuff like that. I loathe iTunes, in case anybody
wants to suggest it. Also, I'm looking for something modern, or at
least maintained, so please don't start telling me about how if you
find just the right website, you can download a version of Windows
Media Player from twelve ears ago that's awesome!


I tried playing with Groove a bit. It works, but there seems to be
no keyboard shortcuts to speak of, at least not that I saw, and it
was tab central through a bunch of stuff I don't really care about.
But maybe I just need to learn it better. I organize my own music,
so other than pointing it at a folder and letting it go on random or
shuffle or whatever, I don't think I need an organizer. I thought of
VLC but I'm not sure if that has enough control or accessibility,
though I gather you can make whatever keyboard shortcuts for it you
want, so it's a possibility.


If anybody's got recommendations, I'd surely appreciate some. I'd
keep using Winamp, but apparently 200 plus GB of music is the point
at which Winamp throws up its hands and runs away to hide in a
closet. So I guess it's time to use something else, which is too
bad, because I still dig Winamp.









Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media playerbesides Winamp?)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi David.

 

I do use VLC for my videos and I agree that it’s the best. However, I think the playlist features in Winamp are still more to my liking for audio playback. I also find some of the more complex VLC features a little difficult to use for a screen-reader. Setting the equalizer (especially getting the programme to keep your settings), or synchronising video/audio tracks together, is a bit of a  pain, but certainly doable, although I admit to having resorted to sighted assistance a couple of times.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: January 5, 2018 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media playerbesides Winamp?)

 

I love VLC media player!

It is also a music editor, you can play DVD’s, or just play your music. There are many key commands for VLC.

Press spacebar to play and pause,

Shift+right arrow to fast forward and rewind a little bit, and press alt+arrow keys and CTRL+arrow keys to do the same by larger amounts. You can access a lot from the menus. VLC has been my favorite media player for two years now!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media playerbesides Winamp?)

 

Me too, or if anybody wants to gives tips on VLC for audio playback, I

can try that too. Gom Audio is gone, I loaded albums into it, it started

playing, and then pretty much locked up my machine, or at least the

keyboard. Nothing would work, not its context menu, Windows key-x, I

couldn't switch windows, you name it. So I hit the power button to shut

down, rebooted, and uninstalled it. I'm fine setting things up and

customizing, but my patience is like zero right now. If it can't even do

the basic thing it's supposed to, it's gone.

 

 

On 1/5/2018 16:34, JM Casey wrote:

> So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m really

> interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace winamp

> exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have another

> audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to.

> That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did get

> really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still the

> only video player for me).

> Looking at their site, I notice there are **loads** of extensions  and

> plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those

> essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?

> Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you

> assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of you

> have customised the programme quite extensively. Tell me about this,

> just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?

>