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Re: two suggestions about nvda on web

Rick
 

There is a difference between the alt attribute not being present and alt="" (null alt text) on a graphic. When the alt attribute is not present, screen readers often default to speaking the filename of an image. However, when alt="" is present, the image is ignored by screen readers. This is by design. Alt="" is supposed to be used for images that convey no content, but are decorative in nature.
However, you bring up a good point. It is impossible for screen reader users to navigate to these graphics. Hence, if a screen reader user wanted to copy an image with alt="" there would be no way to accomplish this. Perhaps NVDA could provide an option to not ignore images with null alt text. Of course, NVDA could only speak the filename of the graphic. If this option existed, I would want to know if the image encountered would be one with null alt text. I would assume the state of this option would be disabled and that a user could enable it when desired.

Regarding collapsed vs expanded. Visually, when a section can be expanded (hence, it is collapsed) a plus sign is displayed. Visually, a user could click on the plus sign to expand the section or menu. Also, when a section is expanded, a minus sign is displayed allowing a user to click on the minus sign to collapse the tree. This is why your braille display displays the way it does. The plus and minus characters do not indicate the state of the tree or menu, but the action that can be taken.

Rick

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Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


yes, I can accept your explanation of the plus sign.

about graphic,
you said "you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and meaningless text string in any case"
I think it is a link to the graphic will be like this,
but if it is a simple graphic have not link and set onclick event on it,
we will lost it when use nvda screen reader.


thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io 於 2018/1/6 下午 04:04 寫道:
I think it depends on how you think of it.
IE there are always two ways.
if it says plus it could mean you have expanded it or it could mean it
can be expanded.



I'm not sure what you mean about untagged graphics though. Often if
you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and
meaningless text string in any case.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "特種兵" <afreettears@...>
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Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 3:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


Hi all:

I have two suggestions about nvda browse on website.

First, nvda will be lost graphic when the graphic has no any "alt
text", example: alt = "" or no alt attribute.
this design let us no method click it (if is can onclick) or make
something for this graphic (if download the graphic) because this
graphic is gone in nvda's world,
so I hope nvda still show this graphic by "gra" or some signed, tell
us graphic has exists.
I think if later nvda can do the mark on the graph, then the graph
should be displayed anyway.

Second, the wai-aria attribute "aria-expanded" show condition is put
upside down.
if aria-expanded = false, nvda will announce "collapsed" is right but
braille display show "+" (plus),
if aria-expanded = true, nvda will announce "expanded" is right but
braille display show "-" (minus).
Is not the plus and minus the opposite display?
or I would like to know why the plus sign is collapsed and minus is
expanded yet?
Because this thinking seems to be somewhat different from our Asians.

--

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan






Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

The Gamages
 

Hello Brian,

It's the new law, if it works, change it, [smile].



Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is
wasting
loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works.
Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the
software?


I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was
jumped on. grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press
Windows+V, then press Enter to answer.
The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft
disability
thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never
got
back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super
lazy.
Nice folks though.


I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out
how
to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to
really
do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or
such. It
was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to
read
them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed
around.
I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is
why I
asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can
find
seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went
back
to old skype.


On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really.
Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to
use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

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06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:
Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid
of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after
installation
of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account
via
Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always
asks to
which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with
Skype
mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it
these
days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack
the
audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather
draconian to me.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as
NVDA
users, or install a different version or perhaps some other
chat
program?

-- Rich De Steno





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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
 

Because the world is comprised primarily of sighted people who crave visual stimulation.  Accessibility of programs and devices to those without eyesight is a distant second consideration.  That is primarily why Skype was dramatically changed to its current incarnation.  It is a visual gold mine!

Rich De Steno

On 1/7/2018 5:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works.
Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software?


I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer.
The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though.


I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype.


On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid
of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
   I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
   Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?

-- Rich De Steno





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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works.
Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software?


I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer.
The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though.


I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype.


On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid
of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?

-- Rich De Steno





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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think from what I've been reading, the problem is that Msoft keep on altering the so called universal app, so mobody ever catches up with scripts.
This is why the classic is the best approach. I'd imagine while there still are loads of users of Windows 7 out there, they won't abandon the older version. In fact in my windows 7 updates I see any update to Skype is flagged as optional, which suits me fine in fact as I just deleted the bloomin thing. I don't use it enough to need its iternal meddling with sound settings ehen its run.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <@AHeart4God316>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Wasn't there supposed to be some JAWS scripts for the Universal version
of Skype that recently were released?


Does anyone know where to get them?


Also, is there specifically an NVDA addon for the Universal version?


On 1/7/2018 12:59 AM, John Isige wrote:
Thanks Joseph! Hopefully this will get some people to try it out. I
still wish it would pop up a window for messages, because if I'm away
from my computer when they come in, the way I tend to catch them is when
I'm switching windows and see there's a skype window up. Also minimizing
to the tray would be nice, because I don't like having windows open
unless I'm using them. But I'll check out the list of keys and try
giving the new skype a shot again I think.


On 1/6/2018 22:50, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press
Windows+V, then press Enter to answer.
The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft
disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype,
and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist,
or they're super lazy. Nice folks though.


I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure
out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be
open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the
system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up
conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended
to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit
part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked
for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can
find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it
and went back to old skype.


On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really. Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only
way to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


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Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:
Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid
of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after
installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account
via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always
asks to which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with
Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever
use it these days personally, but for many years the
tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them
back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps
some other chat program?

-- Rich De Steno





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Re: So what can you do, and how can you do it, with VLC?

Arno Schuh
 

In addition, VLC can be reached by its web interface. So you have another kind of use the player.
Further there are additional possibilities to use VLC, i. e. there are a software called VLC Remote. So you can use VLC on your computer via the VLC Remote app on your smartphone.

Arno

Am Sonntag, 7. Januar 2018 02:25 schrieb John Isige <gwynn@...>:

so anybody got tips for VLC then? I'm sorry, I'm gonna need a little
more than play and pause and moving through a file. Can I load
playlists? Can I open folders? Can I arrow through a list of files and
play one of them? Can it play randomly? How do you do previous and
next tracks/files/whatever? I mean, I don't really need huge media
manipulation abilities, and I very often play things from explorer,
but I'm not going to do that for everything.


And sometimes I just want to point a media player at a folder and have
it play stuff randomly, or make specific playlists, e.g. if I'm
figuring out stuff to burn to a CD or want to listen to, say, all of
the recordings I have of folk music with flutes that use a vocal drone if
I'm practicing. If this thing's so awesome like all y'all seem to
think, and I'm not saying it isn't, you gotta bring more to the table
than it can play and pause and move forward and backward through a track. That
kind of stuff is fine for a single video file, but not for a
collection of stuff.


And while I'm sure VLC can do all of that and more, I haven't really
messed with it, mostly because it's only become more accessible fairly
recently. So hit us with some info, because I'm pretty interested in
trying it out with audio. I like what I've seen of Foobar 2000 so far,
but I've already got VLC for videos, so I'll quite happily try it with
audio stuff. If it works out, it could save me a ton of work
customizing Foobar.


On 1/6/2018 15:47, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
same here it is all I use.

On 05/01/2018 23:22, David Moore wrote:
I love VLC media player!

It is also a music editor, you can play DVD’s, or just play your
music. There are many key commands for VLC.

Press spacebar to play and pause,

Shift+right arrow to fast forward and rewind a little bit, and press
alt+arrow keys and CTRL+arrow keys to do the same by larger amounts.
You can access a lot from the menus. VLC has been my favorite media
player for two years now!

David Moore

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Windows 10

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
*Sent: *Friday, January 5, 2018 5:38 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a
media playerbesides Winamp?)

Me too, or if anybody wants to gives tips on VLC for audio
playback, I can try that too. Gom Audio is gone, I loaded albums into it, it
started playing, and then pretty much locked up my machine, or at least the

keyboard. Nothing would work, not its context menu, Windows key-x, I

couldn't switch windows, you name it. So I hit the power button to
shut down, rebooted, and uninstalled it. I'm fine setting things up and

customizing, but my patience is like zero right now. If it can't
even do the basic thing it's supposed to, it's gone.

On 1/5/2018 16:34, JM Casey wrote:

So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m really
interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace
winamp

exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have
another
audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to.
That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did
get
really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still
the
only video player for me).
Looking at their site, I notice there are **loads** of extensions
and

plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those
essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?
Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you
assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of
you

have customised the programme quite extensively. Tell me about
this,
just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?



Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

 


Hi,,

This problem came to me, too.

So, I'm really thankful for this link! Hope it works here.


Em 06/01/2018 14:39, Marten Post Uiterweer escreveu:

Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic
version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you
will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
 I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly,
tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was
forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me
with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the
shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from
a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it,
because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless,
as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this
problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?

-- Rich De Steno












Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

 

Well, I have not had it do this either.

Good thing is if you go to download skype and select tablets classic skype aparently still runs on those.

There is no update but yeah, I tried to use the new universal app and skype classic is still a lot more accessible.

On 7/01/2018 5:32 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly,
tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was
forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me
with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the
shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from
a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it,
because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless,
as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this
problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?


Re: two suggestions about nvda on web

特種兵
 

yes, I can accept your explanation of the plus sign.

  about graphic,
  you said "you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and meaningless text string in any case"
  I think it is a link to the graphic will be like this,
  but if it is a simple graphic have not link and set onclick event on it,
  we will lost it when use nvda screen reader.


thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io 於 2018/1/6 下午 04:04 寫道:

I think it depends on how you think of it.
IE there are always two ways.
if it says plus it could mean you have expanded it or it could mean it can be expanded.



I'm not sure what you mean about untagged graphics though. Often if you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and meaningless text string in any case.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "特種兵" <afreettears@...>
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Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 3:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


Hi all:

 I have two suggestions about nvda browse on website.

 First, nvda will be lost graphic when the graphic has no any "alt text", example: alt = "" or no alt attribute.
this design let us no method click it (if is can onclick) or make something for this graphic (if download the graphic) because this graphic is gone in nvda's world,
so I hope nvda still show this graphic by "gra" or some signed, tell us graphic has exists.
I think if later nvda can do the mark on the graph, then the graph should be displayed anyway.

 Second, the wai-aria attribute "aria-expanded" show condition is put upside down.
if aria-expanded = false, nvda will announce "collapsed" is right but braille display show "+" (plus),
if aria-expanded = true, nvda will announce "expanded" is right but braille display show "-" (minus).
Is not the plus and minus the opposite display?
or I would like to know why the plus sign is collapsed and minus is expanded yet?
Because this thinking seems to be somewhat different from our Asians.

--

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan





Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Wasn't there supposed to be some JAWS scripts for the Universal version of Skype that recently were released?


Does anyone know where to get them?


Also, is there specifically an NVDA addon for the Universal version?


On 1/7/2018 12:59 AM, John Isige wrote:
Thanks Joseph! Hopefully this will get some people to try it out. I
still wish it would pop up a window for messages, because if I'm away
from my computer when they come in, the way I tend to catch them is when
I'm switching windows and see there's a skype window up. Also minimizing
to the tray would be nice, because I don't like having windows open
unless I'm using them. But I'll check out the list of keys and try
giving the new skype a shot again I think.


On 1/6/2018 22:50, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer.
The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though.


I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype.


On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid
of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...>  wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
    I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
    Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?

-- Rich De Steno






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(980) 500-9575X401
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http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
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http://www.gshministries.org
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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

John Isige
 

Thanks Joseph! Hopefully this will get some people to try it out. I
still wish it would pop up a window for messages, because if I'm away
from my computer when they come in, the way I tend to catch them is when
I'm switching windows and see there's a skype window up. Also minimizing
to the tray would be nice, because I don't like having windows open
unless I'm using them. But I'll check out the list of keys and try
giving the new skype a shot again I think.

On 1/6/2018 22:50, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer.
The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though.


I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype.


On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
@inovegil

Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
-www.NVDA.es

Usuario do NVDA en galego

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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid
of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Brian

bglists@...
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Please address personal email to:- briang1@...,
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?

-- Rich De Steno





--
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Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
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--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
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(980) 500-9575X401










Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

 

Hi,
To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer.
The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though.


I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype.


On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
@inovegil

Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
-www.NVDA.es

Usuario do NVDA en galego

***Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter
información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.*** O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:
Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid
of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:- briang1@...,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?

-- Rich De Steno





--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Rich De Steno
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
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Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401








Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

John Isige
 

Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft
disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and
they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or
they're super lazy. Nice folks though.


I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out
how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to
really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray
or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it
didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages
when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my
inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from
Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old
skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype.

On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
@inovegil

Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es

Usuario do NVDA en galego

***Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter
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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of
the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:- briang1@...,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that
I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend
right after this forced installation and could not answer it,
because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call
was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is
the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for
now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?

-- Rich De Steno





--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Rich De Steno
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
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Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401







Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

David Moore
 

I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.

Have a great one, guys!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

 

Hi,

Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

 

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige

Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

 

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really.

 

 

On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

> Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,

> because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and

> tabbing between options.

> On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

>> 

>> Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here

>> in a bit.

>> 

>> 

>> On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

>>> 

>>> OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I'll give it a try.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> The same way you uninstall any program:

>>>> 

>>>> Press your Windows key and type remove

>>>> 

>>>> Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

>>>> 

>>>> Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

>>>> 

>>>> Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press

>>>> Enter

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

>>>>> 

>>>>> So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the

>>>>> universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the

>>>>> rescue. LOL!

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install

>>>>>> 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10

>>>>>> without problems some weeks ago.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Regards.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Iván Novegil Cancelas

>>>>>> Editor

>>>>>> ivan.novegil@...

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Usuario do NVDA en galego

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> ***Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter

>>>>>> información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.*** O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as

>>>>>>> well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.

>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't

>>>>>>> prefer it.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem

>>>>>>> to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get

>>>>>>> that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of

>>>>>>> the classic version, that would be fantastic!

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:

>>>>>>>> Rich,

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Remove your current skype installation and install the skype

>>>>>>>> classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old

>>>>>>>> installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.

>>>>>>>> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Regards, Marten

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...>  wrote:

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.

>>>>>>>>>   I'm not sure how one gets the old version.

>>>>>>>>> However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.

>>>>>>>>>   Brian

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> bglists@...

>>>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.

>>>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:- briang1@...,

>>>>>>>>> putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>>>>>>>> in the display name field.

>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De

>>>>>>>>> Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM

>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.

>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered

>>>>>>>>> Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like

>>>>>>>>> Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I

>>>>>>>>> could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that

>>>>>>>>> I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend

>>>>>>>>> right after this forced installation and could not answer it,

>>>>>>>>> because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call

>>>>>>>>> was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is

>>>>>>>>> the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for

>>>>>>>>> now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> -- Rich De Steno

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Christopher Gilland

>>>>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

>>>>>>> http://www.gshministries.org

>>>>>>> (980) 500-9575X401

>>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> --

>>>>> Christopher Gilland

>>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

>>>>> http://www.gshministries.org

>>>>> (980) 500-9575X401

>>>> 

>>>> --

>>>> Rich De Steno

>>> 

>>> --

>>> Christopher Gilland

>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

>>> http://www.gshministries.org

>>> (980) 500-9575X401

>> 

>> --

>> Christopher Gilland

>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

>> http://www.gshministries.org

>> (980) 500-9575X401

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

 

Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:

The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:

Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
@inovegil

Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es

Usuario do NVDA en galego

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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of
the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:- briang1@...,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that
I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend
right after this forced installation and could not answer it,
because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call
was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is
the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for
now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?

-- Rich De Steno





--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Rich De Steno
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401


Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:

The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:

Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
@inovegil

Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es

Usuario do NVDA en galego

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información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.*** O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:

Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of
the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:- briang1@...,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that
I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend
right after this forced installation and could not answer it,
because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call
was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is
the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for
now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?

-- Rich De Steno





--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Rich De Steno
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401


Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

True. I totally forgot about windows+X. Thanks for that reminder.


On 1/6/2018 9:51 PM, John Isige wrote:
You can also hit windows-x. Applications and features is the first
thing. Pick that. Tab to the list, get to skype, not skype classic but
the other one, hit enter to expand, and tab to uninstall.


On 1/6/2018 20:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:

The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:

Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x
(version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without
problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
ivan.novegil@...

Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
-www.NVDA.es

Usuario do NVDA en galego

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O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:

Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of
the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic
version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you
will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...>  wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
  I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
  Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...>
To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly,
tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was
forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me
with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the
shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from
a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it,
because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless,
as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this
problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?

-- Rich De Steno







--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401


--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401

--
Rich De Steno

--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401

--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401






-- 
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401


Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

John Isige
 

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to
use it really.

On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:

The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:

Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
@inovegil

Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
-www.NVDA.es

Usuario do NVDA en galego

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O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:

Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of
the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic
version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you
will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...>
To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly,
tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was
forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me
with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the
shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from
a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it,
because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless,
as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this
problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?

-- Rich De Steno





--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Rich De Steno
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
--
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401


Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

John Isige
 

You can also hit windows-x. Applications and features is the first
thing. Pick that. Tab to the list, get to skype, not skype classic but
the other one, hit enter to expand, and tab to uninstall.

On 1/6/2018 20:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:

The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:

Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x
(version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without
problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
@inovegil

Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
-www.NVDA.es

Usuario do NVDA en galego

***Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.***
O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:

Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of
the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic
version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you
will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...>
To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly,
tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was
forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me
with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the
shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from
a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it,
because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless,
as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this
problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?

-- Rich De Steno





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Rich De Steno
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http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401
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Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
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(980) 500-9575X401


Re: So what can you do, and how can you do it, with VLC?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Oops. I had to go to this page to refresh my memory. The keys listed in the menus are not actually the shortcuts. They are here. N and p are next and previous, and there's a whole lot of other stuff too. Still don't quite know about those playlists, but read through these -- should help.
https://wiki.videolan.org/hotkeys_table/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 8:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] So what can you do, and how can you do it, with VLC?

so anybody got tips for VLC then? I'm sorry, I'm gonna need a little more than play and pause and moving through a file. Can I load playlists? Can I open folders? Can I arrow through a list of files and play one of them? Can it play randomly? How do you do previous and next tracks/files/whatever? I mean, I don't really need huge media manipulation abilities, and I very often play things from explorer, but I'm not going to do that for everything.


And sometimes I just want to point a media player at a folder and have it play stuff randomly, or make specific playlists, e.g. if I'm figuring out stuff to burn to a CD or want to listen to, say, all of the recordings I have of folk music with flutes that use a vocal drone if I'm practicing. If this thing's so awesome like all y'all seem to think, and I'm not saying it isn't, you gotta bring more to the table than it can play and pause and move forward and backward through a track. That kind of stuff is fine for a single video file, but not for a collection of stuff.


And while I'm sure VLC can do all of that and more, I haven't really messed with it, mostly because it's only become more accessible fairly recently. So hit us with some info, because I'm pretty interested in trying it out with audio. I like what I've seen of Foobar 2000 so far, but I've already got VLC for videos, so I'll quite happily try it with audio stuff. If it works out, it could save me a ton of work customizing Foobar.


On 1/6/2018 15:47, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
same here it is all I use.

On 05/01/2018 23:22, David Moore wrote:
I love VLC media player!

It is also a music editor, you can play DVD’s, or just play your
music. There are many key commands for VLC.

Press spacebar to play and pause,

Shift+right arrow to fast forward and rewind a little bit, and press
alt+arrow keys and CTRL+arrow keys to do the same by larger amounts.
You can access a lot from the menus. VLC has been my favorite media
player for two years now!

David Moore

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*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
*Sent: *Friday, January 5, 2018 5:38 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a
media playerbesides Winamp?)

Me too, or if anybody wants to gives tips on VLC for audio playback,
I

can try that too. Gom Audio is gone, I loaded albums into it, it
started

playing, and then pretty much locked up my machine, or at least the

keyboard. Nothing would work, not its context menu, Windows key-x, I

couldn't switch windows, you name it. So I hit the power button to
shut

down, rebooted, and uninstalled it. I'm fine setting things up and

customizing, but my patience is like zero right now. If it can't even
do

the basic thing it's supposed to, it's gone.

On 1/5/2018 16:34, JM Casey wrote:

>

> So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m
really

> interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace
winamp

> exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have
another

> audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to.

> That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did
get

> really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still
the

> only video player for me).

>

> Looking at their site, I notice there are **loads** of extensions
and

> plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those

> essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?

>

> Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you

> assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of
you

> have customised the programme quite extensively. Tell me about
this,

> just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?

>

>