UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu

I use basic view too. My problem, I believe, is not related to gmail
because I have this problem only with chrome. At first I thought the
internet is slow, but it happens only in gmail page. I really don't
know what is going on.

2018-01-09 11:46 GMT+03:00, mcLeod stinnett <macks75205@gmail.com>:

--
from mack I have no problem with n v d a and g mail. now, I do use basic
view, standard view can give you some problems.

--
psikoloji lisans öğrencisi- b.a student in psychology

kucevre@ku.edu.tr
koç üniversitesi: rumeli feneri yolu 34450 sarıyer istanbul/turkiye.

mcLeod stinnett

--
from mack I have no problem with n v d a and g mail. now, I do use basic view, standard view can give you some problems.

Re: Mathematic equations and NVDA

Goly Rabbanim <goly@...>

Hello Michael,
I don’t find enough words to thank you!
Going to read once again your suggestions and try all the steps
Thank you very much and to be continued :)
Goly.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 5:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mathematic equations and NVDA

Hello again Goly,
Here are some useful mathematical symbols.Depending on what you are reading, you may not need but a small portion of them.
Unicode symbols for mathematics
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?integral

? ,ContourIntegral,?,
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?Volume integral,?
Clockwise integral 2231
Clockwise contour integral 2232
Anticlockwise contour integral 2233

Mathematical symbols
]Unary operators[

? 221A radic, Sqrt, radical, square root ? 221B cube root ? 221C fourth root ± 00B1 plus or minus ? 2213 minus or plus ' 2032 prime, derivative ? 2033 Prime, double prime ? 2034 tprime, triple prime ? 220F N-ary product ? 2211 N-ary summation

Binary operators

? 2212 minus
 00D7 multiplication sign
? 22C5 sdot
? 2215 division slash
ק 00f7 division sign

Relationships[
edit
]
? 221D prop, propto, Proportional, vprop, varpropto, proportional to ? 2223 divides ? 2224 does not divide ? 2243 asymptotically equal to
? 2244 not asymptotically equal to
? 2245 approximately equal to
? 2246 approximately but not actually equal to ? 2247 neither approximately nor actually equal to ? 2248 almost equal to ? 2249 not almost equal to ? 225C trie, triangleq, delta equal to ? 225D equal to by definition ? 225F equest, checked equal to ? 2260 ne, NotEqual, not equal to ? 2261 equiv, Congruent, equivalent to ? 2264 less-than or equal to ? 2265 greater-than or equal to ? 226A much less than ? 226B much greater than

Calculus, Vector Calculus, Differential Equations[

? 221E infinity
? 2202 partial differential
? 222B integral
? 222C double integral
? 222D triple integral
? 222E contour integral
? 222F surface integral
? 2230 volume integral
? 2231 clockwise integral
? 2232 clockwise contour integral
? 2233 anticlockwise contour integral
? 2207 nabla, Del, backward difference, gradient

Sets[
edit
]
? 2282 subset, included in, proper subset ? 2283 superset, includes, proper superset ? 2286 subset of or equal to ? 2287 superset or equal to ? 2284 notin set ? 2229 intersection ? 222A union ? 2208 isin, isinv, Element, in, element of (large symbol) ? 220A element of (small symbol) ? 2209 notin, NotElement, notinva, not element of ? 220B niv, ReverseElement, ni, SuchThat, contains as member (large symbol) ? 220D contains as member (small symbol) ? 220C notni, notniva, NotReverseElement, does not contain as member ? 2205 empty, emptyset, emptyv, varnothing, empty set

Mathematical typography[
edit
]
? 22EE vellip, vertical ellipsis
? 22EF hellip, horizontal ellipsis
? 22F0 utdot, rising dots, up right diagonal ellipsis ? 22F1 dtdot, falling dots, down right diagonal ellipsis ? 27E8, left angle bracket ? 27E9, right angle bracket

Logic[
edit
]
¬ 00AC not sign
? 2227 Logical AND
? 2228 Logical OR
? 220E, END OF PROOF
? 2234, THEREFORE , there4, therefore, Therefore ? 2235, BECAUSE , becaus, because, Because ? 2200, FOR ALL , forall, ForAll ? 2203, THERE EXISTS , exist, Exists ? 2204, THERE DOES NOT EXIST , nexist, NotExists, nexists

Geometry[
edit
]
? 2220 ang, angle
? 2221 angmsd, measured angle
? 2222 spherical angle
? 27C2 perpendicular to
? 221F right angle

Other[
edit
]
° 00B0 degree
µ 00B5 micro
? 03C0 Greek small letter pi
? 2113 Small script letter L, litre.

Typography[

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§
alt789 section

00B6 paragraph
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00B7 interpunct, middle dot
¼
00BC one-quarter
½
00BD one-half
¾
00BE three-quarters
?
2012 figure dash
-
2013 en dash
-
2014 em dash
?
2015 quotation dash
'
2018 left single quote
'
2019 right single quote, apostrophe
,
201A low-9 single quote
"
201C left double quote
"
201D right double quote
"
201E low-9 double quote
?
2020 dagger
?
2021 double dagger
.
2022 bullet
.
2026 ellipsis
?
203D interrobang
?
2042 asterism
?
2150 one-seventh
?
2151 one-ninth
?
2152 one-tenth
?
2153 one-third
?
2154 two-thirds
?
2155 one-fifth
?
2156 two-fifths
?
2157 three-fifths
?
2158 four-fifths
?
2159 one-sixth
?
215A five-sixths
?
215B one-eighth
?
215C three-eighths
?
215D five-eighths
?
215E seven-eighths
?
215F fraction numerator one
?
2190 left arrow
?
2191 up arrow
?
2192 right arrow
?
2193 down arrow
?
23CE carriage return symbol
?
232B erase to the left (backspace)
?
2423 space symbol
?
25A1 square
?
2605 starf, bigstar, black star
?
2606 white star
?
26E4 pentagram
?
2610 ballot box
?
2611 ballot box with check
?
2612 ballot box with X
?
261B black right pointing finger
?
261E white right pointing finger
?
269C fleur-de-lys
?
2713 check mark
?
2717 cross mark
?
2E3A two-em dash
?
2E3B three-em dash
?
3003 ditto
table end

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Goly Rabbanim
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 2:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mathematic equations and NVDA

Hello Dear Group;

I have a statistic course instructed on MOODLE learning management system.
most of the content in this course is coming from PDF.
in addition there are many Math symbols written on the web site.
Some of them just copy pasted from word.
I really need reliable updated links to read and learn how to make all
the content accessible for screen reader for my student.

Goly Rabbanim.
The Open University of Israel

UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu

Hello,
I like google crhome a lot. However, I can not use my gmail with it.
When I get to my mail, nvda reads only the first line as if it still
downloads the page. I need to refresh the page fiew times to get it
right. This doesn't hapenn in other browsers.
Does anyone have similar issues or a solution for it?
Best regards

Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>

Well, that's odd. After alt-tabbing back to VLC, suddenly NVDA is able to identify elements, including the random button. I really have no idea why I could not observe this behaviour before. I sometimes have similar weirdness with JAWS where controls will not read correctly one moment, but revisiting the window later suddenly makes them visible. Damned if I know.

So John, it looks like you can actually do most of what you want with this programme, provided there's enough feedback.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 5, 2018 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

Me too, or if anybody wants to gives tips on VLC for audio playback, I can try that too. Gom Audio is gone, I loaded albums into it, it started playing, and then pretty much locked up my machine, or at least the keyboard. Nothing would work, not its context menu, Windows key-x, I couldn't switch windows, you name it. So I hit the power button to shut down, rebooted, and uninstalled it. I'm fine setting things up and customizing, but my patience is like zero right now. If it can't even do the basic thing it's supposed to, it's gone.

On 1/5/2018 16:34, JM Casey wrote:

So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m really
interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace winamp
exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have another
audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to.
That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did get
really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still the
only video player for me).

Looking at their site, I notice there are **loads** of extensions and
plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those
essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?

Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you
assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of you
just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?

Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>

I'm making some progress with VLC. Unfortunately the biggest problem is the lack of audio feedback in the programme. I have tried with both nVDA and JAWS, and feedback with JAWS seems slightly better, as it is able to recognise some of the buttons and edit fields, even if their function and application is nebulous. I have the VLC NVDA add-on, and its function is minimal at best. It does nothing to improve usability of the preferences dialoguqe or the playlist editor, and those are the two most complicated areas that would clearly benefit from more feedback.

I have discovered the following about playlists:
You can open the playlist editor from either the view menu, or using ctrl-l.
You can add as many folders to a playlist as you like. When you tab to a certain field, which the screen-reader will not speak, you can arrow up and down through tracks, which *should* be announced as you use up and down arrow.
There is a button to randomise playback (see documentation), but I have not been able to find or use this button.
The applications key activates a context menu which allows you to move files around in the playlist, delete them, stream them, or get information about them (presumably tag and other media info). But the random toggle is not to be found in this menu.

I have also tinkered around a bit with the preferences dialogue. Once you set the radio button to "all", you will see a much bigger options screen, with hundreds of settings. Again, unfortunately, some of the checkboxes and such are only read when you check or uncheck them. There is little indication of what you are supposed to do with a control once you tab to it. I have found that the spacebar, for whatever reason, is more effective than using the enter key.

It's too bad this player doesn't work better for us. It's a real lean and powerful piece of software. There are additional interfaces you can get which go over top of and replace the default GUI. It's possible that something along these lines may work better for accessibility, but I know nothing about them and have not tried them.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 5, 2018 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

Me too, or if anybody wants to gives tips on VLC for audio playback, I can try that too. Gom Audio is gone, I loaded albums into it, it started playing, and then pretty much locked up my machine, or at least the keyboard. Nothing would work, not its context menu, Windows key-x, I couldn't switch windows, you name it. So I hit the power button to shut down, rebooted, and uninstalled it. I'm fine setting things up and customizing, but my patience is like zero right now. If it can't even do the basic thing it's supposed to, it's gone.

On 1/5/2018 16:34, JM Casey wrote:

So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m really
interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace winamp
exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have another
audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to.
That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did get
really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still the
only video player for me).

Looking at their site, I notice there are **loads** of extensions and
plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those
essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?

Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you
assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of you
just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?

Re: Malware remover working with NVDA

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>

I have it, and I am pretty sure it's just the background processing that does not work after the trial version. The on-demand scanning, which is what the programme is actually useful for in my view, still works, and definitions still can be updated.

I keep it around and it has saved me at least once. I installed a programme that included a bunch of other baggage. I didn't realise I was allowing this other stuff to be installed, which all automatically started running on my machine. None of it was exactly malicious as such, but it was definitely unwanted. A quick MB scan revealed the culprits and I was able to clear everything in a relatively short time. Mostly this was a lot of crap in the registry, including a homepage and search redirect. Of course it's my fault for letting this stuff install in the first place, but my screen-reader (JAWS at the time) was not telling me what was on the screen, even with the use of the JAWS cursor, so I just hit the next button a whole bunch of times, and that's all it takes, sometimes. Lesson learned, but it made me glad I keep MalwareBytes around, you know?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: January 8, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA

Hi,
It has a trial period after which it locks up. That is why it is installed, used, then killed before the trial runs out.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA

Since you use malwarebytes from time to time, why do you not keep it installed on your machine? Is there a problem with doing that?

Also, you say you "run malwarebytes when you need to". How do you know when you need to? Do you just hope that any malware shows itself as strange behaviour on your system, rather than just doing something sinister in the background?

Antony.

On Monday 08 January 2018 at 21:36:06, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well I use malwarebytes to scan a system, but as for keeping it on the
system, no, windows defender handles a lot of the stuff one needs to
bother with and the more advanced stuff are just not accessible enough
for my liking.

And when they are, ie sophos, if we have a problem a false positive
its to quick to flag and then we have issues.

If a false positive is flagged, we need to exclude it reinstall the
program and hope it works or in the case of one of my friends that had
the issue, reformat, exclude and hope they don't have to reformat again.

I really don't care for antimalware tools anyway I run malwarebytes
when I need to but then its off again, it will handle a scan, and a
clear out as long as I don't give a stuff what I am deleting and usually I don't.
--
"Once you have a panic, things tend to become rather undefined."

- murble

Re: Malware remover working with NVDA

Pascal Lambert

Hi,
It has a trial period after which it locks up. That is why it is installed, used, then killed before the trial runs out.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA

Since you use malwarebytes from time to time, why do you not keep it installed on your machine? Is there a problem with doing that?

Also, you say you "run malwarebytes when you need to". How do you know when you need to? Do you just hope that any malware shows itself as strange behaviour on your system, rather than just doing something sinister in the background?

Antony.

On Monday 08 January 2018 at 21:36:06, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well I use malwarebytes to scan a system, but as for keeping it on the
system, no, windows defender handles a lot of the stuff one needs to
bother with and the more advanced stuff are just not accessible enough
for my liking.

And when they are, ie sophos, if we have a problem a false positive
its to quick to flag and then we have issues.

If a false positive is flagged, we need to exclude it reinstall the
program and hope it works or in the case of one of my friends that had
the issue, reformat, exclude and hope they don't have to reformat again.

I really don't care for antimalware tools anyway I run malwarebytes
when I need to but then its off again, it will handle a scan, and a
clear out as long as I don't give a stuff what I am deleting and usually I don't.
--
"Once you have a panic, things tend to become rather undefined."

- murble

Re: Flash card program/website?

Bill Dengler

Flashcards Deluxe works on Android too.

Bill

On Jan 8, 2018, at 7:18 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Thank you for the replies. My concern is that many websites and applications turn the "cards" into images instead of retaining the original text.

I do not want to need the OCR add-on every time I flip a card.

It is not just a matter of finding a flashcard site as there are countless numbers of them but to find one where both the card creation and card review sides are screen reader compatible.

As has been mentioned, iOS has several screen reader friendly options but there is little to know information out there for Windows (or Android, although that is a post for a different list).

Thank you,

Sally

On 1/7/2018 7:54 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:
This isn’t a Windows application, but I use Flashcards Deluxe on iOS. Would also be interested in a Windows/MacOS app though.

BIll

On Jan 8, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> wrote:

Hello list,

I sent a message several weeks ago asking for recommendations of accessible flashcard websites ore applications. I now cannot seem to find that message and got no replies.

I am guessing now that the message never made it to the list and apologize if I am mistaken and this is a repeat.

I am looking for something to help me study a foreign language, ideally something that allows me to create my own sets of questions and answers and then can be used to test me by checking an answer I type against the original question and answer set.

If that isn't clear, I mean something that will not just show me in text form one side of a flash card and then show me the other but instead show me one side and ask me to type the other like with Duolingo, for example.

Does anyone have experience with a website or application that works well with NVDA?

I was toying a bit with quizlet but was then told to try Anki. According to the documentation Anki sounds like it would have keyboard commands for most functions and thus might be assumed to be somewhat accessible. However, when I install and run it, the window simply speaks "frame."

If anyone feels like playing with it, I am curious if the complete inaccessibility is a quirt of my system, a shortcoming in my NVDA skills, or if this open source project is as absolutely inacccessible as it seems.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Cheers,
Sally

Re: Malware remover working with NVDA

I guess not, however I don't run it unless its needed, I don't care for its nag screens and I really don't need to run it every year only if someone says something is wrong or something, if there was a portable or something like that I could take round on a drive it would be a different matter.

Usually when I service a machine especially in a business, the admins say what is x doing on my system, its probably malware.

So usually I have the set software I absolutely need for myself.

that is ccleaner, dimention4 and 7zip if I need that.

Some have cdbxp for if I need that.

I don't generally need malwarebytes.

In fact if something goes wrong and I need to security scan the system that could add hours to my work.

Every year I will fix user issues, update and make sure it works.

I don't have time or the want to fix issues caused by security software.

3 times during my servicing span I have had this issue.

Once it was malware and I had to scramble to fix dammage.

The other 2 though in one case, the  security icons and such had confused the user so much he ended up installing malware to fix the icons that scared him forcing me to have to declutter and tell him what was and what was not.

On another case the security software said there was a problem, and the user freaked out and installed loads and loads of things they didn't need meaning I was awake for 3 days mostly clearing junk.

In another instance, the same user had the same issue all it boiled down to was some issue with a program, a bug I was able to report and which got fixed but the user went totally bonkas with the system and I had to reformat to fix it.

In short I like to keep it simple.

If its not needed I kill it.

Now if malwarebytes was like 100-500mb I'd probably keep it up but its only like 20mb really and for the time I need it which is almost never well.

Fact is the interface is not really accessible, but I use it for what I need it for then kill it.

If there are portable scan only security tools that work just as well that I can carry round with me on a memmory stick and not eve have to install then thats different.

CCleaner is fine to install for me so I can just be quick though I know a portable exists for that but the rest.

On 9/01/2018 9:40 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
Since you use malwarebytes from time to time, why do you not keep it installed
on your machine? Is there a problem with doing that?

Also, you say you "run malwarebytes when you need to". How do you know when
you need to? Do you just hope that any malware shows itself as strange
behaviour on your system, rather than just doing something sinister in the
background?

Antony.

On Monday 08 January 2018 at 21:36:06, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well I use malwarebytes to scan a system, but as for keeping it on the
system, no, windows defender handles a lot of the stuff one needs to
bother with and the more advanced stuff are just not accessible enough
for my liking.

And when they are, ie sophos, if we have a problem a false positive its
to quick to flag and then we have issues.

If a false positive is flagged, we need to exclude it reinstall the
program and hope it works or in the case of one of my friends that had
the issue, reformat, exclude and hope they don't have to reformat again.

I really don't care for antimalware tools anyway I run malwarebytes when
I need to but then its off again, it will handle a scan, and a clear out
as long as I don't give a stuff what I am deleting and usually I don't.

Re: Malware remover working with NVDA

Antony Stone

Since you use malwarebytes from time to time, why do you not keep it installed
on your machine? Is there a problem with doing that?

Also, you say you "run malwarebytes when you need to". How do you know when
you need to? Do you just hope that any malware shows itself as strange
behaviour on your system, rather than just doing something sinister in the
background?

Antony.

On Monday 08 January 2018 at 21:36:06, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well I use malwarebytes to scan a system, but as for keeping it on the
system, no, windows defender handles a lot of the stuff one needs to
bother with and the more advanced stuff are just not accessible enough
for my liking.

And when they are, ie sophos, if we have a problem a false positive its
to quick to flag and then we have issues.

If a false positive is flagged, we need to exclude it reinstall the
program and hope it works or in the case of one of my friends that had
the issue, reformat, exclude and hope they don't have to reformat again.

I really don't care for antimalware tools anyway I run malwarebytes when
I need to but then its off again, it will handle a scan, and a clear out
as long as I don't give a stuff what I am deleting and usually I don't.
--
"Once you have a panic, things tend to become rather undefined."

- murble

Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

It does.

I have switched all my users to skype universal to keep the software updated but to be honest skype classic is in the tablets section so unless ms decides that windows tablets need to update to universal to which they will probably do eventually then maybe.

At any rate even if skype does die, they will have to change the minimal version on server to have it not even work and they only just did that last year and that was for 7.2 and older, up to this point you could probably still work with 6 or 5 or 4 or even 3 maybe not 2 but even so, who knows.

This new skype 8 will last till the end of win 8x at any rate.

It would be good if ms let us blinks use our own windows desktops, shells and interfaces for their cores so we could use their stuff without their junk.

On 8/01/2018 10:23 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think the question has to be, does the  old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Hi,
The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

What is the universal skype app???
At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:

I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
knock it till you try it guys.

On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
I use the universal Skype app all the time.
Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
Have a great one, guys!
Windows 10
From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
Â
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph
Â
-----Original Message-----
From:
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
Â
That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really. Come on Microsoft.
Â
Â
Â
-----Original Message-----
From:
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
Â
In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to use it really.
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On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
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The same way you uninstall any program:
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Remove Programs and press Enter Â  Arrow down to Skype in the
list of programs Â  Press your applications key and arrow down to
remove and press  Enter Â Â Â  On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
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So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!
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On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote:
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Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
without problems some weeks ago.
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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
as  well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.
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Â
I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
seem  to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
can get  that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
get rid of  the classic version, that would be fantastic!
Â
Â
On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,
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Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype
versions after installation of the classic version.
<http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
pe-full
Â
Regards, Marten
Â
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wrote:
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I've never had it force an update on
windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
Â Â  I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been
a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Â Â  Brian
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Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
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I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that  I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend  right after this forced installation and could not
answer it,  because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call  was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for  now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA
users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?
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Re: Malware remover working with NVDA

Well I use malwarebytes to scan a system, but as for keeping it on the system, no, windows defender handles a lot of the stuff one needs to bother with and the more advanced stuff are just not accessible enough for my liking.

And when they are, ie sophos, if we have a problem a false positive its to quick to flag and then we have issues.

If a false positive is flagged, we need to exclude it reinstall the program and hope it works or in the case of one of my friends that had the issue, reformat, exclude and hope they don't have to reformat again.

I really don't care for antimalware tools anyway I run malwarebytes when I need to but then its off again, it will handle a scan, and a clear out as long as I don'

't give a stuff what I am deleting and usually I don't.

On 8/01/2018 10:20 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Both superantispyware and malwarebytes seem to have parts of themselves that need either screen nav or don't work. I'm using the former and if you wait for prompts to update then the screens seem to work OK. The big issue is unselecting found items in that software.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA

I use just essentials that comes with microsoft. i's free and is fine.

On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:01 PM, Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,
Looking for a malware remover program that works well with NVDA that is free or at a reasonable price.
Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ???
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web

If newer nvda or nvda-addon had a feature about make a tag by own on graphic, for example, we will add a describe on graphic that is alt = "" or no alt, the graphic should be show let us tag.

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Rick 於 2018/1/7 下午 09:11 寫道:
There is a difference between the alt attribute not being present and alt="" (null alt text) on a graphic. When the alt attribute is not present, screen readers often default to speaking the filename of an image. However, when alt="" is present, the image is ignored by screen readers. This is by design. Alt="" is supposed to be used for images that convey no content, but are decorative in nature.
However, you bring up a good point. It is impossible for screen reader users to navigate to these graphics. Hence, if a screen reader user wanted to copy an image with alt="" there would be no way to accomplish this. Perhaps NVDA could provide an option to not ignore images with null alt text. Of course, NVDA could only speak the filename of the graphic. If this option existed, I would want to know if the image encountered would be one with null alt text. I would assume the state of this option would be disabled and that a user could enable it when desired.

Regarding collapsed vs expanded. Visually, when a section can be expanded (hence, it is collapsed) a plus sign is displayed. Visually, a user could click on the plus sign to expand the section or menu. Also, when a section is expanded, a minus sign is displayed allowing a user to click on the minus sign to collapse the tree. This is why your braille display displays the way it does. The plus and minus characters do not indicate the state of the tree or menu, but the action that can be taken.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web

yes, I can accept your explanation of the plus sign.

you said "you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and meaningless text string in any case"
I think it is a link to the graphic will be like this,
but if it is a simple graphic have not link and set onclick event on it,
we will lost it when use nvda screen reader.

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io 於 2018/1/6 下午 04:04 寫道:
I think it depends on how you think of it.
IE there are always two ways.
if it says plus it could mean you have expanded it or it could mean
it can be expanded.

I'm not sure what you mean about untagged graphics though. Often if
you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and
meaningless text string in any case.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "特種兵" <afreettears@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 3:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web

Hi all:

I have two suggestions about nvda browse on website.

First, nvda will be lost graphic when the graphic has no any "alt
text", example: alt = "" or no alt attribute.
this design let us no method click it (if is can onclick) or make
graphic is gone in nvda's world, so I hope nvda still show this
graphic by "gra" or some signed, tell us graphic has exists.
I think if later nvda can do the mark on the graph, then the graph
should be displayed anyway.

Second, the wai-aria attribute "aria-expanded" show condition is
put upside down.
if aria-expanded = false, nvda will announce "collapsed" is right
but braille display show "+" (plus), if aria-expanded = true, nvda
will announce "expanded" is right but braille display show "-"
(minus).
Is not the plus and minus the opposite display?
or I would like to know why the plus sign is collapsed and minus is
expanded yet?
Because this thinking seems to be somewhat different from our Asians.

--

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Well you may want to hold that thought a little longer.

I read yesterday that someone loaded every harry potter book, and fanfic into an ai to see if it could write one using all that material and it did write a comedy type thing, I mean it could do it but it was weird.

Even if an ai did write the next software package I am not sure if that would fully work for us if it did it generally.

On 8/01/2018 10:04 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I was beginning to think it was just a way to keep the programmers busy and still in work. Just like machines will soon be able  to design their own replacements, I'd expect intelligent software to be able to design the next generation of software as well.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Hello Brian,

It's  the new law, if it works, change it, [smile].

Best Regards, Jim.
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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is
wasting
Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the
software?

I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was
jumped on. grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Hi,
To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press
Windows+V, then press Enter to answer.
The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft
disability
thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never
got
back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super
lazy.
Nice folks though.

I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out
how
to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to
really
do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or
such. It
was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to
them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed
around.
I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is
why I
asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can
find
seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went
back
to old skype.

On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really.
Come on Microsoft.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to
use it really.

On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.

On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here
in a bit.

On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.

I'll give it a try.

On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter

On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!

On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
without problems some weeks ago.

Regards.

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06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:
Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as
well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.

I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem
to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get
that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid
of the classic version, that would be fantastic!

On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after
installation
of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account
via
Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>  wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always
which I say politely no thanks.
I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with
Skype
mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it
these
days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack
the
audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather
draconian to me.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@verizon.net> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as
NVDA
users, or install a different version or perhaps some other
chat
program?

-- Rich De Steno

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Re: Where are the pluggins?

John Isige

Pretty much everything with NVDA, save some synthesizers and training
materials that go beyond the user guide, is free. Here's focus highlighting.

On 1/8/2018 12:58, Lino Morales wrote:

Speech Viewer is apart of NVDA already. I don't recall how to envoke
that command.

On 1/8/2018 9:52 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov wrote:

Good News! A manager has agreed to complete the paperwork to get the
ball rolling on installing NVDA on my machine. But, I have to have my
ducks in a row. Where do I go for these plugins Marshall talked about
so I can point to price and location? They are “Focus Highlight” and
“Speech Viewer”. I looked on the NVDA website and didn’t see them.

If anyone knows of another plugin I should look at, now would be the
time. Remember, I’m sighted and trying to make our software and
support documents handicap accessible. I need to have this turned in
ASAP (as soon as possible).

Thanks,

Tonea

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf
Of Marshall handheld Flax

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:55 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

I'd like to second Joseph's advice to actually install NVDA and see
how it presents your application.  But in addition, as a sighted user
you will probably want to do two things:

1. Install the "Focus Highlight" plugin -- it makes it *far* easier
to visually see what NVDA is describing at any given point in time; and

2. Enable the "Speech Viewer" feature (under Tools in the NVDA menu)
-- it shows everything going to the speech synthesizer, but it just
appears in a scrolling window -- quite useful!

Marshall

Re: Flash card program/website?

Sally Kiebdaj

Hello all,

Thank you for the replies. My concern is that many websites and applications turn the "cards" into images instead of retaining the original text.

I do not want to need the OCR add-on every time I flip a card.

It is not just a matter of finding a flashcard site as there are countless numbers of them but to find one where both the card creation and card review sides are screen reader compatible.

As has been mentioned, iOS has several screen reader friendly options but there is little to know information out there for Windows (or Android, although that is a post for a different list).

Thank you,

Sally

On 1/7/2018 7:54 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:
This isn’t a Windows application, but I use Flashcards Deluxe on iOS. Would also be interested in a Windows/MacOS app though.

BIll

On Jan 8, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> wrote:

Hello list,

I sent a message several weeks ago asking for recommendations of accessible flashcard websites ore applications. I now cannot seem to find that message and got no replies.

I am guessing now that the message never made it to the list and apologize if I am mistaken and this is a repeat.

I am looking for something to help me study a foreign language, ideally something that allows me to create my own sets of questions and answers and then can be used to test me by checking an answer I type against the original question and answer set.

If that isn't clear, I mean something that will not just show me in text form one side of a flash card and then show me the other but instead show me one side and ask me to type the other like with Duolingo, for example.

Does anyone have experience with a website or application that works well with NVDA?

I was toying a bit with quizlet but was then told to try Anki. According to the documentation Anki sounds like it would have keyboard commands for most functions and thus might be assumed to be somewhat accessible. However, when I install and run it, the window simply speaks "frame."

If anyone feels like playing with it, I am curious if the complete inaccessibility is a quirt of my system, a shortcoming in my NVDA skills, or if this open source project is as absolutely inacccessible as it seems.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Cheers,
Sally

Re: [nvda-addons] Automatic switch to coresponding braille output table

Rui,

regarind first point, that setting is turned on in my braille settings. But Turkish output table does not have 8 dot format. So, NVDA takes both possibilities given by those output tables. That is the problem. We need kind of prioritization (for example only Turkish letters in 6 dot braille, the rest in 8 dot braille according to german 8 dot computer braille which has been selected as first output table).

Best

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Gesendet: Montag, 8. Januar 2018 19:52
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] [nvda-addons] Automatic switch to coresponding braille output table

Hello!
1. I chose german 8 dot computer braille as first output table and
turkish grade 1 as second output table. The specific letters for
Turkish language are automatically displayed correctly. But NVDA
takes other signs (i.e. capital letter) and displays both
possibilities on the braille display (8 dot computer braille and
grade 1). When I put the cursor on a capital letter, the letter is
being displayed as if it is a small letter. When I move the cursor
to the right, the capital letter is displayed with dots 4 and 6 for
grade 1 and dot 7 for 8 dot computer braille.
Adrian, you can toggle that feature on NVDA, Preferences, Braille settings menu.
It is named "Expand to computer braille for the word at the cursor".

2.Braille output tables have to be adjusted in such a way that for
example a 8 dot computer braille standard is being created for all
languages. That means, that i.e. fullstop is dot 6 or number two is dots
1, 2, 8 in all output tables.
I do not believe that all national Braille authorities will reach an

Rui

Re: [nvda-addons] Automatic switch to coresponding braille output table

Rui,

thanks for your suggestions. Regarding second point, it is not required that all national braille entities have to agree about that. An user who wants to read miltilingual texts would learn that standard by himself because it would be a confortable way to read multi lingual texts. I have learned 8 dot computer braille by myself in order to make use of more braille cells on a braille display even though in Romania everone learns 6 dot braille in the school. And after all, the more people learn a certain standard, the probable will be that braille entities will adopt it. It would be an optional output table and nothing more.

Best

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Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rui Fontes
Gesendet: Montag, 8. Januar 2018 19:52
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] [nvda-addons] Automatic switch to coresponding braille output table

Hello!
1. I chose german 8 dot computer braille as first output table and
turkish grade 1 as second output table. The specific letters for
Turkish language are automatically displayed correctly. But NVDA
takes other signs (i.e. capital letter) and displays both
possibilities on the braille display (8 dot computer braille and
grade 1). When I put the cursor on a capital letter, the letter is
being displayed as if it is a small letter. When I move the cursor
to the right, the capital letter is displayed with dots 4 and 6 for
grade 1 and dot 7 for 8 dot computer braille.
Adrian, you can toggle that feature on NVDA, Preferences, Braille settings menu.
It is named "Expand to computer braille for the word at the cursor".

2.Braille output tables have to be adjusted in such a way that for
example a 8 dot computer braille standard is being created for all
languages. That means, that i.e. fullstop is dot 6 or number two is dots
1, 2, 8 in all output tables.
I do not believe that all national Braille authorities will reach an

Rui

Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Sarah k Alawami

No I don't think there is. Not anymore. At least I have never seen it, not since about maybe 2016 or so.

Take care

On Jan 8, 2018, at 10:39 AM, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:

Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in 2016,
when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and
stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on
Windows 10 at work.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
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Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used
by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Hi,
The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

What is the universal skype app???
At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:

I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
knock it till you try it guys.

On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
I use the universal Skype app all the time.
Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
Have a great one, guys!
Windows 10
From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
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Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph
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From:
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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
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That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really. Come on Microsoft.
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From:
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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
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In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to use it really.
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On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
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Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.
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On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
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Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
here in a bit.
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On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
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OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.
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On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
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The same way you uninstall any program:
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Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and
Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the
list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to
remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
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So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!
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On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote:
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Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
without problems some weeks ago.
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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.
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I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic!
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On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,
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Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype
versions after installation of the classic version.
<http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
pe-full
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Regards, Marten
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On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000
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der.co.uk@groups.io>Â
wrote:
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I've never had it force an update on
windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been
a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
Â Â Brian
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Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
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I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA
users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?
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Re: Where are the pluggins?

Lino Morales

Speech Viewer is apart of NVDA already. I don't recall how to envoke that command.

On 1/8/2018 9:52 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

Good News! A manager has agreed to complete the paperwork to get the ball rolling on installing NVDA on my machine. But, I have to have my ducks in a row. Where do I go for these plugins Marshall talked about so I can point to price and location? They are “Focus Highlight” and “Speech Viewer”. I looked on the NVDA website and didn’t see them.

If anyone knows of another plugin I should look at, now would be the time. Remember, I’m sighted and trying to make our software and support documents handicap accessible. I need to have this turned in ASAP (as soon as possible).

Thanks,

Tonea

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marshall handheld Flax

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

I'd like to second Joseph's advice to actually install NVDA and see how it presents your application.  But in addition, as a sighted user you will probably want to do two things:

1. Install the "Focus Highlight" plugin -- it makes it *far* easier to visually see what NVDA is describing at any given point in time; and

2. Enable the "Speech Viewer" feature (under Tools in the NVDA menu) -- it shows everything going to the speech synthesizer, but it just appears in a scrolling window -- quite useful!

Marshall

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