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Re: How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

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Yes well we may all have to use Outlook instead. At least you can purchase it. It is however rather like hiring an army to test one gun.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app


Thanks for the feedback Smile!
Anyways, looking forward for the upcoming improvements of this Mail app,
so right now I will be back to Thunderbird


Robert Mendoza

On 1/17/2018 4:20 PM, David Moore wrote:

The mail app is not good with making filters, I just have my lists
split up into four email accounts. I check them regularly.
Unfortunately, if you are use to having rules or filters, that does
not exist in the mail app.

I know you can create filters on the web sites themselves, like,
Gmail.com, but I am not sure how to transfer those filters to the Mail
app!

David Moore

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*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:13 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

Well if eudora hadn't well gone south I'd be still using it with
supernova.

Thunderbird is fine though it appears mozilla keep it maintained mainly.

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I could not function without filters, another reason for me still
using what has been described as prehistoric software for email and
usenet.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza"
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app
Just curious how flexible is the Mail app in handling filtered
messages into specific folders? I wanted to know what is the basic
command to do it. I appreciate your advice. Thanks in advance.
--
Robert Mendoza


Re: tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by symantec

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I have had no issues with MSSe, but one has got to be careful with defender.

The only thing msse finds are the Microsoft tools, but \I've told it to ignore that.

Unfortunately all of the other anti virus installations have had mega issues.
I'll not single any out really. the fall into the inaccessible and the downright nosey and slowing down camps.
If we really were in danger of being hacked then nothing will stop them in my view.

Obviously the best defence is knowledge of how the nasties get in in the first place.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by symantec


Frankly I wish there were.

Its all after the fact.

The only thing I have been able to do, is exclude the folder or folders including my programs backup folders, all my screen reader, blind software, games and basically every other software that may or may not especially bgt from being scanned.

On the next reformat or machines replacement I will have designated folders for things then exclude these from ever being scanned as well as some sort of unprocessed folder for stuff I am not sure of.

Thats hardly an compromise in fact thats putting me at a really great deal of risk.

But its clear not only that some antivirus manufacturers are not only not being accessible but they are targeting us on purpose, Now bgt can be excused because aparently it was how it was written but for the rest of it, I am not sure.

If it was safe to do so at this point I'd probably just delete my security software, and firewall and everything just so I can use the computer without my useless software making my life hell instead of protecting me.

Before I was all for security but now I don't know, maybe its just to much trouble or as much as being hacked into.

Every time I have a problem thats another program I have to reinstall, another unknown trogen which doesn't make sence, possibly another reformat to do due to corrupt system files.

I had that with norton.

Msse works right now because I have excluded just about everything that its found so far including games, screen readers etc.




On 17/01/2018 9:06 p.m., Gene wrote:
You don't have to take such extreme measures nor should you just for this problem. I'm sure there is a way to turn off protection while you run the installer, then turn it back on. Some installers specifically tell you to turn off protection before running the installer. There may be more false positives with Windows Defender than their used to be but that's hardly a major problem and the solution, if you want to continue to use the program is either to turn off protection or, if it is flagging a running program, to exclude the program from what the antivirus program scans. Generally, antivirus programs have that ability. Windows
Defender probably does to.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by symantec


A lot of av stuff does this.

Someone wanted to uninstall the antivirus, I don't care to myself but
you could force the antivirus not to run via services as well as apps in
win10.

People have excluded all their drives from scanning. or important folders.

But to be honest if an antivirus is that bad thats its reporting things
as bad when they are not who knows.

What is worse they change from one day to the next.




On 16/01/2018 12:09 a.m., Lenron wrote:
Anti virus stuff is starting to really annoy me. Windows defender
keeps flashing some of my installers that I know are clean as viruses.

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I'd suspect then that if somebody could do this via dropbox for hem that
would work?
I have been finding all sorts of troubles, not on my machine, but on those

with other AVs on them as most podcast downloads are http, and when they
change this some podcatchers fail so its kind of catch 22 for them.
I'd have thought for exceptions most security software could be configured
to allow some http sites at the users risk?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by
symantec


Hello!

I suppose one of the problems can be the absence of https...

I have requested a review...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 08:54 de 14/01/2018, internet@moch.gov.il escreveu:
Hi
i'm trying to download
http://www.tiflotecnia.net/ftp/vocalizer-voice-carmit-Plus.nvda-addon

but Symantec Blue Coat blocks it. Is somthing wrong with this add on?

look at that:

https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/sitereview.jsp#/?search=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiflotecnia.net%2Fftp%2Fvocalizer-voice-carmit-Plus.nvda-addon





Re: How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

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What a heap of crap the email client is then, is all I can say. I shall not be using it as I have too many accounts on different companies.
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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app


The mail app is not good with making filters, I just have my lists split up into four email accounts. I check them regularly. Unfortunately, if you are use to having rules or filters, that does not exist in the mail app.
I know you can create filters on the web sites themselves, like, Gmail.com, but I am not sure how to transfer those filters to the Mail app!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

Well if eudora hadn't well gone south I'd be still using it with supernova.

Thunderbird is fine though it appears mozilla keep it maintained mainly.




On 17/01/2018 8:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I could not function without filters, another reason for me still
using what has been described as prehistoric software for email and
usenet.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza"
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app


Just curious how flexible is the Mail app in handling filtered
messages into specific folders? I wanted to know what is the basic
command to do it. I appreciate your advice. Thanks in advance.

--

Robert Mendoza







Re: Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up

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This argument is going in circles.
The point is that they are, as far as I am aware developing a new api which gets around the hooking in of code to the browser.
This is why at the moment I'm using the 52esr.
I do not care if the add on is not compatible, when I asked why it was this way I was told it was because inn order to get at the data it needs it has to go in via a similar route to nvda, and that door is now shut.
I'm afraid that all the people are missing the point and as I do not want to upset anyone I'm not going to be at all rude by dumbing down my reasons.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up


They didn't stop a feature. The add on is no longer compatible. You can tell if a page refreshes, at least in my experience, because your place is lost and the page starts reading again from the top. I think the feature you, and users in general, should be far more worried about losing is the accessibility feature, listed as accessibility when you are tabbing around options in the advanced part of the dialog, that stops pages from redirecting or refreshing without asking.

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up


Oh, how can you tell then? I find a lot of pages refresh afterwards and that
little click is a clue. Try doing anything on some yahoo sites.
Also the downloading finished sound means you do not need to always open
the download window.
I think its important to remember that everyone uses windows differently
and in the way most convenient to them, just stopping one feature without
some discussion with users is stupid and arrogant in my view. It means that
they know best, and that has never been my experience. Windows works for
people as its very much configurable.

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up


I don't need sounds to tell me if something is loading.



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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up

I'm sticking to 52 esr as it has the sounds I want.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up


Yeah use Firefox 58 beta 16. Yeah it’s a bit slow with NVDA, but hey it
works. Its not as slow as V 57.X

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Payal Kapoor
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 6:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up

hi,
i have the same problem with the same version of Firefox. however, i
use Windows 10 version 1709 with the latest built and NVDA 2017.4
sometimes by moving away and coming back it loads while at other times
it won't. it is irritating and i've not been able to establish one set
method for it to launch.
it also says "toolbar edit".
it made me wonder if some toolbar had been installed that caused this
to happen. not certain on this either.
thanks for any solutions.
Payal

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IE in recent master snaps, using Firefox 52 esr, when you maybe want to
look

at the userguide or what's new and its the first time you have used the
browser, the screen comes up as unknown and will only respond if you
either

switch away and back or hit alt and cancel it.

I am on windows 7, but did wonder if all the recent fiddling to get the
latest version of firefox to work might have compromised the esr version
in

some way.
Has anyone else noticed this at all? Its not a major hassle as this sort
of thing is how often things used to work some years ago for me in xp, but
thought I'd best mention it here before putting electrons on Github.
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Re: How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

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Myself I cannot get on with thunderbird myself as it persists in using that tree structure. I prefer my emails to be completely separate which is why I have Outlook Express, but unfortunately, I strongly suspect IE code will be dropped at some point from windows in favour of the Edge system, which will make simple mods to Outlook Express to let it still work to not be possible.
I'd use web based email if all the interfaces were the same, but sadly they are not.
In the end I may need to find myself a disposable email address and point all the others at it and try to devise some kind of filter for a working email client, or go over to phone based email which I really do not want to do.
Since I have not even got a phone yet.
Seems to me that as many phones use apps for mail, we really do need somebody to make a simple account based system that does email and usenet in the one package just like outlook express did.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app


Well if eudora hadn't well gone south I'd be still using it with supernova.

Thunderbird is fine though it appears mozilla keep it maintained mainly.




On 17/01/2018 8:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I could not function without filters, another reason for me still using what has been described as prehistoric software for email and usenet.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app


Just curious how flexible is the Mail app in handling filtered messages into specific folders? I wanted to know what is the basic command to do it. I appreciate your advice. Thanks in advance.

--

Robert Mendoza







Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.

Lino Morales
 

I don’t have that info, but I’ll track it down. I’ll reach out to James Teh via Twitter first.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.

 

Is there a way to contact the Firefox accessibility team?  Unless the notify me when a page tries to redirect or refresh feature was reintroduced in version 58, that is a serious question that should be addressed and that those concerned should write to the accessibility team about.  This wasn't mentioned in the blog entry about improvements in Firefox 58.

 

Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:08 AM

Subject: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.

 

The below is a blog post explaining FF 58. It works better.

https://www.marcozehe.de/2018/01/16/nvda-firefox-58-team-regaining-strength/



 


Re: Editing vocalizer source files

Engin Albayrak <mealbayrak@...>
 

Hello. This is also a necessity For Turkish language. As Turkish users, We want to close abriviations. Because They are usually rong.

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Tarih: 17 Ocak 2018 Çarşamba 17:21
Kime: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Konu: [nvda] Editing vocalizer source files

hi friends, can we edit NVDA ADD-ON vocalizer source file according our regional language pronunciation. because, i want to make some changes in pronunciation rules in Hindi language. i don't know whether it can possible or not. please help me suggesting regarding this one. waiting for your reply. thank you.

--
Shree


Re: CHM, a.k.a. Microsoft Help files

Brian Moore
 

Hi.


Well, I don't believe that the Hide, Back, Forward, Home, Print,

buttons are accessible with the keyboard by default.


typically, a user uses the f6 key to move from the either contents, index or search panes to the actual content area.  As far as I know, there is no method of getting to the tool bar buttons.

this is not specific to nvda but would be common with all screen readers as it is a design issue with the help viewer in windows.


Perhaps I am missing something.



Brian.



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On 17/01/2018 10:04 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

A while back, I asked for help with making my documentation equal access to NVDA users. James Austin And Cearbhall O’Meadhra both answered my call and have been very patient in helping me.

 

Microsoft help files end in a CHM extension. Just a refresher: this format generates a window with the following buttons along the top: Hide, Back, Forward, Home, Print, and Options. Below the button bar, there is a left-hand side that contains three tabs: Content, Search, and Favorites. In the Contents tab, there is an organizational tree that allows you to look at the page names and navigate directly to the page you want. On the right hand side, there is the content window. It displays the header of the page and any navigation buttons relating to the page, such as Previous, Top, and Next. Below the header is the content for the page.

 

On the first run through, the content window was blank. I contacted my software’s maker and they had me make some changes. I’m not using Word, but just as Word can save as a single document or PDF or web page, this software can save as an entire web site, a CHM help file, or a PDF. I had applied something they call a skin to give the entire set of pages the same look and feel as the software it is supporting. These guys told me to remove the skin. According to them, all that would remain is Microsoft’s CHM frame and my pages within it.

 

On the second run through, the content window was there, but the content header (with the buttons that appear next to it) was not visible to NVDA. This told me that most of the problem was in the skin. I contacted the software maker since the skin was from one of their templates.

 

I’m quoting their response: The most likely cause there is a non-scrolling header, where the topic header stays in the same place and the topic content scrolls in a box below it. If the screen reader is old/poorly programmed/dumb then it is quite possible that it wouldn't be able to handle that. End quote.

 

Well, on behalf of everyone here, I was offended. I may not yet have access to NVDA but I know everyone here works hard to help it be a really good product. I’ve gone back to my files and, as a sighted user, I can’t see any header that stays in the same place. I will be contacting them about that and pushing them to nail down this problem and also to help me get a skin that doesn’t make the files invisible to screen readers.

 

However, I also have to be respectful and ask if anyone knows of a CHM file that is completely readable to NVDA? Is any of this problem an issue with the NVDA software? Or, is it a known problem with CHM that users of other screen readers also experience?

 

Thank you for your understanding,

 

Tonea Morrow



CHM, a.k.a. Microsoft Help files

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

A while back, I asked for help with making my documentation equal access to NVDA users. James Austin And Cearbhall O’Meadhra both answered my call and have been very patient in helping me.

 

Microsoft help files end in a CHM extension. Just a refresher: this format generates a window with the following buttons along the top: Hide, Back, Forward, Home, Print, and Options. Below the button bar, there is a left-hand side that contains three tabs: Content, Search, and Favorites. In the Contents tab, there is an organizational tree that allows you to look at the page names and navigate directly to the page you want. On the right hand side, there is the content window. It displays the header of the page and any navigation buttons relating to the page, such as Previous, Top, and Next. Below the header is the content for the page.

 

On the first run through, the content window was blank. I contacted my software’s maker and they had me make some changes. I’m not using Word, but just as Word can save as a single document or PDF or web page, this software can save as an entire web site, a CHM help file, or a PDF. I had applied something they call a skin to give the entire set of pages the same look and feel as the software it is supporting. These guys told me to remove the skin. According to them, all that would remain is Microsoft’s CHM frame and my pages within it.

 

On the second run through, the content window was there, but the content header (with the buttons that appear next to it) was not visible to NVDA. This told me that most of the problem was in the skin. I contacted the software maker since the skin was from one of their templates.

 

I’m quoting their response: The most likely cause there is a non-scrolling header, where the topic header stays in the same place and the topic content scrolls in a box below it. If the screen reader is old/poorly programmed/dumb then it is quite possible that it wouldn't be able to handle that. End quote.

 

Well, on behalf of everyone here, I was offended. I may not yet have access to NVDA but I know everyone here works hard to help it be a really good product. I’ve gone back to my files and, as a sighted user, I can’t see any header that stays in the same place. I will be contacting them about that and pushing them to nail down this problem and also to help me get a skin that doesn’t make the files invisible to screen readers.

 

However, I also have to be respectful and ask if anyone knows of a CHM file that is completely readable to NVDA? Is any of this problem an issue with the NVDA software? Or, is it a known problem with CHM that users of other screen readers also experience?

 

Thank you for your understanding,

 

Tonea Morrow


Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.

Antony Stone
 

Given that Marco Zehe, the author of that article, is part of the Firefox
accessibility team: https://www.marcozehe.de/about/

I'd start by contacting him directly: marco.zehe at gmail dot com

I've written it just the same way as he does on his website, so his linkable
email address doesn't appear in archives of this list.


Antony.

On Wednesday 17 January 2018 at 15:38:29, Gene wrote:

Is there a way to contact the Firefox accessibility team? Unless the
notify me when a page tries to redirect or refresh feature was
reintroduced in version 58, that is a serious question that should be
addressed and that those concerned should write to the accessibility team
about. This wasn't mentioned in the blog entry about improvements in
Firefox 58.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.


The below is a blog post explaining FF 58. It works better.

https://www.marcozehe.de/2018/01/16/nvda-firefox-58-team-regaining-strength
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Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.

Gene
 

Is there a way to contact the Firefox accessibility team?  Unless the notify me when a page tries to redirect or refresh feature was reintroduced in version 58, that is a serious question that should be addressed and that those concerned should write to the accessibility team about.  This wasn't mentioned in the blog entry about improvements in Firefox 58.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.

The below is a blog post explaining FF 58. It works better.

https://www.marcozehe.de/2018/01/16/nvda-firefox-58-team-regaining-strength/





Editing vocalizer source files

Narayan <krishnashree1221@...>
 

hi friends, can we edit NVDA ADD-ON vocalizer source file according our regional language pronunciation. because, i want to make some changes in pronunciation rules in Hindi language. i don't know whether it can possible or not. please help me suggesting regarding this one. waiting for your reply. thank you.

--
Shree


Blog post on Firefox 58.

 

The below is a blog post explaining FF 58. It works better.

https://www.marcozehe.de/2018/01/16/nvda-firefox-58-team-regaining-strength/


NVDA issue in win10 after security patch update.

Amala <anbujustin@...>
 

Hi All,

After the below patch in windows 10, NVDA is not working properly. It is reading the text as unknown in chrome and Mozilla Firefox. It is working partially working in edge.

Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool for Windows 8, 8.1, 10 and Windows Server 2012, 2012 R2, 2016 x64 Edition - November 2017 (KB890830)


Please help me.

Thanks and regards
Amala J


Re: How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

Norman <lists@...>
 

Hi.

You don't need to transfer them to the mail app if it's set using imap. In this case gmail does all the work behind the scenes and your mail program knows nothing about this.

I'm with brian, i couldn't function on mailing lists without filters, however, this is not a good reason to use out of date mail software, current mail software is actually more efficient in my oppinion at handling this.

I personally run zimbra 8.8 released late last year and still in active development as my mail server. The client is thunderbird.


Works like a charm and also filters mail for every device connected to the account, my phone, and computer currently.



HTH.




On 1/17/2018 3:20 AM, David Moore wrote:

The mail app is not good with making filters, I just have my lists split up into four email accounts. I check them regularly. Unfortunately, if you are use to having rules or filters, that does not exist in the mail app.

I know you can create filters on the web sites themselves, like, Gmail.com, but I am not sure how to transfer those filters to the Mail app!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

 

Well if eudora hadn't well gone south I'd be still using it with supernova.

 

Thunderbird is fine though it appears mozilla keep it maintained mainly.

 

 

 

 

On 17/01/2018 8:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> I could not function without filters, another reason for me still

> using what has been described as prehistoric software for email and

> usenet.

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal email to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza"

> <lowvisiontek@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:10 AM

> Subject: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

>> Just curious how flexible is the Mail app in handling filtered

>> messages into specific folders? I wanted to know what is the basic

>> command to do it. I appreciate your advice. Thanks in advance.

>> 

>> --

>> 

>> Robert Mendoza

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 



Re: tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by symantec

Gene
 

If someone doesn't tell us, I'll check with an Internet search and see what I can find out.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by symantec

hmm well I wish I knew how to stop this in windows defender it's
driving me nuts.

On 1/17/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know why you are having the problem.  I haven't become familiar with
> Windows Defender because I don't have Windows 10. But you should be able to
> exclude specific folders for specific programs.  I don't know if Windows
> Defender lets you exclude specific files.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:21 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by
> symantec
>
>
> Frankly I wish there were.
>
> Its all after the fact.
>
> The only thing I have been able to do, is exclude the folder or folders
> including my programs backup folders, all my screen reader, blind
> software, games and basically every other software that may or may not
> especially bgt from being scanned.
>
> On the next reformat or machines replacement I will have designated
> folders for things then exclude these from ever being scanned as well as
> some sort of unprocessed folder for stuff I am not sure of.
>
> Thats hardly an compromise in fact thats putting me at a really great
> deal of risk.
>
> But its clear not only that some antivirus manufacturers are not only
> not being accessible but they are targeting us on purpose, Now bgt can
> be excused because aparently it was how it was written but for the rest
> of it, I am not sure.
>
> If it was safe to do so at this point I'd probably just delete my
> security software, and firewall and everything just so I can use the
> computer without my useless software making my life hell instead of
> protecting me.
>
> Before I was all for security but now I don't know, maybe its just to
> much trouble or as much as being hacked into.
>
> Every time I have a problem thats another program I have to reinstall,
> another unknown trogen which doesn't make sence, possibly another
> reformat to do due to corrupt system files.
>
> I had that with norton.
>
> Msse works right now because I have excluded just about everything that
> its found so far including games, screen readers etc.
>
>
>
>
> On 17/01/2018 9:06 p.m., Gene wrote:
>> You don't have to take such extreme measures nor should you just for this
>> problem.  I'm sure there is a way to turn off protection while you run the
>> installer, then turn it back on.  Some installers specifically tell you to
>> turn off protection before running the installer.  There may be more false
>> positives with Windows Defender than their used to be but that's hardly a
>> major problem and the solution, if you want to continue to use the program
>> is  either to turn off protection or, if it is flagging a running program,
>> to exclude the program from what the antivirus program scans.  Generally,
>> antivirus programs have that ability.  Windows
>> Defender probably does to.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:42 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by
>> symantec
>>
>>
>> A lot of av stuff does this.
>>
>> Someone wanted to uninstall the antivirus, I don't care to myself but
>> you could force the antivirus not to run via services as well as apps in
>> win10.
>>
>> People have excluded all their drives from scanning. or important
>> folders.
>>
>> But to be honest if an antivirus is that bad thats its reporting things
>> as bad when they are not who knows.
>>
>> What is worse they change from one day to the next.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/01/2018 12:09 a.m., Lenron wrote:
>>> Anti virus stuff is starting to really annoy me. Windows defender
>>> keeps flashing some of my installers that I know are clean as viruses.
>>>
>>> On 1/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>> <bglists@...> wrote:
>>>> I'd suspect then that if somebody could do this via dropbox for hem
>>>> that
>>>> would work?
>>>>    I have been finding all sorts of troubles, not on my machine, but on
>>>> those
>>>>
>>>> with other AVs on them as most podcast downloads are http, and when
>>>> they
>>>> change this some podcatchers fail so its kind of catch 22 for them.
>>>> I'd have thought for exceptions most security software could be
>>>> configured
>>>> to allow some http sites at the users risk?
>>>>    Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 8:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by
>>>> symantec
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose one of the problems can be the absence of https...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have requested a review...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rui Fontes
>>>>> Tiflotecnia, Lda.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Às 08:54 de 14/01/2018, internet@... escreveu:
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> i'm trying to download
>>>>>> http://www.tiflotecnia.net/ftp/vocalizer-voice-carmit-Plus.nvda-addon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but Symantec Blue Coat blocks it. Is somthing wrong with this add on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> look at that:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/sitereview.jsp#/?search=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiflotecnia.net%2Fftp%2Fvocalizer-voice-carmit-Plus.nvda-addon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: NVDA Preferences II, several announcements on some tutorial content

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Wait a second, has NVDA 2018 been released? I know there may be snapshots, but I mean, is it officially here? When I check for updates, I don't see it.


On 1/17/2018 5:25 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Few important announcements about Welcome to NVDA tutorial set to follow after this:

 

The second part of NVDA Preferences (seventh installment overall) is now up, which can be found at josephsl.net/tutorials. Combined with the first part (a few days ago), it’ll take you slightly more than three hours (both parts combined) to traverse through all available preferences options (at least 110 options total across both parts).

 

Changes from 2015 edition:

 

  • Completely redone.
  • Review cursor: demonstration of simple review mode is included.
  • Input composition settings: reorganized the content; demonstration first, followed by settings themselves.
  • Object presentation: new app examples, including use of StationPlaylist Studio to demonstrate object description reporting and GoldWave for various progress bar output options. Suggestion appearance sounds are also demonstrated along with the checkbox to turn this on or off.
  • Browse mode: trap non-command gestures checkbox is demonstrated.
  • Document formatting: explained the new user interface and groupings.
  • Windows 10 OCR: recognition language option is explained; to be demoed as part of NVDA Tools section.
  • Speech dictionaries: covers all three speech dictionary types (default, voice-specific, temporary) in one sitting, complete with examples. For voice-specific dictionary, provided an example where an entry is announced differently based on voice (not synthesizer) in use.
  • Punctuation/symbol pronunciation: added coverage of “send symbol to synthesizer” (aka symbol processing) combo box.
  • Input gestures: an example for assigning a custom command to open braille settings dialog is demonstrated.
  • Restoring to factory defaults: added a note about keeping default settings or restoring personalized settings after factory reset.

 

There are two more sections to go: NVDA Tools, which will cover log viewer, speech viewer and others, as well as configuration profiles. The last section will be add-ons, and I’m still in the process of which add-ons to demonstrate (two add-ons that’ll definitely appear include DictationBridge and Golden Cursor).

 

Some important announcements about the tutorial content:

 

  • Due to a major “bug” found in a segment on finding text on webpages, the segment has been pulled from the tutorial set. Specifically, I forgot to cover case sensitive search option, which will be done as soon as possible.
  • If you’ve downloaded the segment on keyboard settings, you need to download it again as it was edited to remove leftovers from recording session.
  • Due to a last minute change introduced in braille settings dialog for NVDA 2018.1 that requires editing a significant portion of the segment, this segment will be updated in February. As a result, the zip file of all tutorials will be published later. You can still access individual segments.
  • Starting this weekend, I’ll publish each tutorial section as one or two mp3 files. For example, instead of hunting for all segments on basics, it’ll be just one download. Certain sections (notably web browsing section) will be divided into multiple mp3 files, with popular apps section divided into three files, with each one covering apps overview and Microsoft Office, universal apps, and other tools, respectively.
  • If you believe some parts of the tutorial are fast, please let me know so I can re-record fast portions and make them slower.

 

An important note about text transcriptions: my initial plan is to not offer a text transcription of this tutorial set, as it is really an audio version of the NVDA user guide with a few extras. For now, people who’d like to follow along via text should consult NVDA user guide; but I’ll leave open the possibility of a text transcription provided that: the whole community is involved in helping out (I can’t do it alone), organized through a GitHub repository, and the community promises to make the entire set (audio and text) available for free.

 

Tutorial exercises: I received a suggestion from a code contributor that I should add exercises to help folks practice concepts taught in the tutorial set. I like this idea and would like to ask if the whole community is willing to come up with some of them. I myself will contribute some exercises.

 

Lastly, this is a personal wish: for a while I’ve been thinking about either writing a book about NVDA internals based on various tutorials out there (including mine and NV Access modules), or being consulted (along with some knowledgeable developers) by one or more writers wishing to write such a book. The premise of this idea is to showcase the technical side of NVDA screen reader, with the book aimed at computer science students, programmers, researchers, potential users and organizations willing to adopt NVDA and what not. I do understand that this is a big ambition, but when we look at documentation, we really don’t have a book or two that goes deep into how NVDA really works behind the scenes (currently we have a design overview document, but for some, it isn’t adequate to fully describe what NVDA truly is), and I felt it is time that we write one. There is another reason for embarking on this project, but I’ll save that for a later post.

 

Thanks, and enjoy the new tutorial installment.

Cheers,

Joseph


-- 
Christopher Gilland
Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministries.org
(980) 500-9575X401


Welcome to NVDA 2018: NVDA Preferences II, several announcements on some tutorial content

 

Hi everyone,

 

Few important announcements about Welcome to NVDA tutorial set to follow after this:

 

The second part of NVDA Preferences (seventh installment overall) is now up, which can be found at josephsl.net/tutorials. Combined with the first part (a few days ago), it’ll take you slightly more than three hours (both parts combined) to traverse through all available preferences options (at least 110 options total across both parts).

 

Changes from 2015 edition:

 

  • Completely redone.
  • Review cursor: demonstration of simple review mode is included.
  • Input composition settings: reorganized the content; demonstration first, followed by settings themselves.
  • Object presentation: new app examples, including use of StationPlaylist Studio to demonstrate object description reporting and GoldWave for various progress bar output options. Suggestion appearance sounds are also demonstrated along with the checkbox to turn this on or off.
  • Browse mode: trap non-command gestures checkbox is demonstrated.
  • Document formatting: explained the new user interface and groupings.
  • Windows 10 OCR: recognition language option is explained; to be demoed as part of NVDA Tools section.
  • Speech dictionaries: covers all three speech dictionary types (default, voice-specific, temporary) in one sitting, complete with examples. For voice-specific dictionary, provided an example where an entry is announced differently based on voice (not synthesizer) in use.
  • Punctuation/symbol pronunciation: added coverage of “send symbol to synthesizer” (aka symbol processing) combo box.
  • Input gestures: an example for assigning a custom command to open braille settings dialog is demonstrated.
  • Restoring to factory defaults: added a note about keeping default settings or restoring personalized settings after factory reset.

 

There are two more sections to go: NVDA Tools, which will cover log viewer, speech viewer and others, as well as configuration profiles. The last section will be add-ons, and I’m still in the process of which add-ons to demonstrate (two add-ons that’ll definitely appear include DictationBridge and Golden Cursor).

 

Some important announcements about the tutorial content:

 

  • Due to a major “bug” found in a segment on finding text on webpages, the segment has been pulled from the tutorial set. Specifically, I forgot to cover case sensitive search option, which will be done as soon as possible.
  • If you’ve downloaded the segment on keyboard settings, you need to download it again as it was edited to remove leftovers from recording session.
  • Due to a last minute change introduced in braille settings dialog for NVDA 2018.1 that requires editing a significant portion of the segment, this segment will be updated in February. As a result, the zip file of all tutorials will be published later. You can still access individual segments.
  • Starting this weekend, I’ll publish each tutorial section as one or two mp3 files. For example, instead of hunting for all segments on basics, it’ll be just one download. Certain sections (notably web browsing section) will be divided into multiple mp3 files, with popular apps section divided into three files, with each one covering apps overview and Microsoft Office, universal apps, and other tools, respectively.
  • If you believe some parts of the tutorial are fast, please let me know so I can re-record fast portions and make them slower.

 

An important note about text transcriptions: my initial plan is to not offer a text transcription of this tutorial set, as it is really an audio version of the NVDA user guide with a few extras. For now, people who’d like to follow along via text should consult NVDA user guide; but I’ll leave open the possibility of a text transcription provided that: the whole community is involved in helping out (I can’t do it alone), organized through a GitHub repository, and the community promises to make the entire set (audio and text) available for free.

 

Tutorial exercises: I received a suggestion from a code contributor that I should add exercises to help folks practice concepts taught in the tutorial set. I like this idea and would like to ask if the whole community is willing to come up with some of them. I myself will contribute some exercises.

 

Lastly, this is a personal wish: for a while I’ve been thinking about either writing a book about NVDA internals based on various tutorials out there (including mine and NV Access modules), or being consulted (along with some knowledgeable developers) by one or more writers wishing to write such a book. The premise of this idea is to showcase the technical side of NVDA screen reader, with the book aimed at computer science students, programmers, researchers, potential users and organizations willing to adopt NVDA and what not. I do understand that this is a big ambition, but when we look at documentation, we really don’t have a book or two that goes deep into how NVDA really works behind the scenes (currently we have a design overview document, but for some, it isn’t adequate to fully describe what NVDA truly is), and I felt it is time that we write one. There is another reason for embarking on this project, but I’ll save that for a later post.

 

Thanks, and enjoy the new tutorial installment.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

Robert Mendoza
 

Thanks for the feedback Smile!
Anyways, looking forward for the upcoming improvements of this Mail app, so right now I will be back to Thunderbird


Robert Mendoza
On 1/17/2018 4:20 PM, David Moore wrote:

The mail app is not good with making filters, I just have my lists split up into four email accounts. I check them regularly. Unfortunately, if you are use to having rules or filters, that does not exist in the mail app.

I know you can create filters on the web sites themselves, like, Gmail.com, but I am not sure how to transfer those filters to the Mail app!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

 

Well if eudora hadn't well gone south I'd be still using it with supernova.

 

Thunderbird is fine though it appears mozilla keep it maintained mainly.

 

 

 

 

On 17/01/2018 8:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> I could not function without filters, another reason for me still

> using what has been described as prehistoric software for email and

> usenet.

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal email to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza"

> <lowvisiontek@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:10 AM

> Subject: [nvda] How to create filtered rule in Windows 10 Mail app

>> Just curious how flexible is the Mail app in handling filtered

>> messages into specific folders? I wanted to know what is the basic

>> command to do it. I appreciate your advice. Thanks in advance.

>> 

>> --

>> 

>> Robert Mendoza

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 



Re: tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by symantec

Lenron
 

hmm well I wish I knew how to stop this in windows defender it's
driving me nuts.

On 1/17/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't know why you are having the problem. I haven't become familiar with
Windows Defender because I don't have Windows 10. But you should be able to
exclude specific folders for specific programs. I don't know if Windows
Defender lets you exclude specific files.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by
symantec


Frankly I wish there were.

Its all after the fact.

The only thing I have been able to do, is exclude the folder or folders
including my programs backup folders, all my screen reader, blind
software, games and basically every other software that may or may not
especially bgt from being scanned.

On the next reformat or machines replacement I will have designated
folders for things then exclude these from ever being scanned as well as
some sort of unprocessed folder for stuff I am not sure of.

Thats hardly an compromise in fact thats putting me at a really great
deal of risk.

But its clear not only that some antivirus manufacturers are not only
not being accessible but they are targeting us on purpose, Now bgt can
be excused because aparently it was how it was written but for the rest
of it, I am not sure.

If it was safe to do so at this point I'd probably just delete my
security software, and firewall and everything just so I can use the
computer without my useless software making my life hell instead of
protecting me.

Before I was all for security but now I don't know, maybe its just to
much trouble or as much as being hacked into.

Every time I have a problem thats another program I have to reinstall,
another unknown trogen which doesn't make sence, possibly another
reformat to do due to corrupt system files.

I had that with norton.

Msse works right now because I have excluded just about everything that
its found so far including games, screen readers etc.




On 17/01/2018 9:06 p.m., Gene wrote:
You don't have to take such extreme measures nor should you just for this
problem. I'm sure there is a way to turn off protection while you run the
installer, then turn it back on. Some installers specifically tell you to
turn off protection before running the installer. There may be more false
positives with Windows Defender than their used to be but that's hardly a
major problem and the solution, if you want to continue to use the program
is either to turn off protection or, if it is flagging a running program,
to exclude the program from what the antivirus program scans. Generally,
antivirus programs have that ability. Windows
Defender probably does to.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by
symantec


A lot of av stuff does this.

Someone wanted to uninstall the antivirus, I don't care to myself but
you could force the antivirus not to run via services as well as apps in
win10.

People have excluded all their drives from scanning. or important
folders.

But to be honest if an antivirus is that bad thats its reporting things
as bad when they are not who knows.

What is worse they change from one day to the next.




On 16/01/2018 12:09 a.m., Lenron wrote:
Anti virus stuff is starting to really annoy me. Windows defender
keeps flashing some of my installers that I know are clean as viruses.

On 1/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I'd suspect then that if somebody could do this via dropbox for hem
that
would work?
I have been finding all sorts of troubles, not on my machine, but on
those

with other AVs on them as most podcast downloads are http, and when
they
change this some podcatchers fail so its kind of catch 22 for them.
I'd have thought for exceptions most security software could be
configured
to allow some http sites at the users risk?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] tiflotecnia vocalizer is marked as malicious by
symantec


Hello!

I suppose one of the problems can be the absence of https...

I have requested a review...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 08:54 de 14/01/2018, internet@moch.gov.il escreveu:
Hi
i'm trying to download
http://www.tiflotecnia.net/ftp/vocalizer-voice-carmit-Plus.nvda-addon

but Symantec Blue Coat blocks it. Is somthing wrong with this add on?

look at that:

https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/sitereview.jsp#/?search=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiflotecnia.net%2Fftp%2Fvocalizer-voice-carmit-Plus.nvda-addon





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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762