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Re: NVDA next snapshot

Quentin Christensen
 

To answer the original question, yes this is common enough - one difference between the snapshot builds (next and master) and the stable releases, is that in the snapshot builds, the error sound is played whenever any error is encountered.  Sometimes these may not actually affect the use of the program in question (such as this one when you move to a Chrome window).  The recommendation is that the error sound can be a useful indicator of when something goes wrong, but the real question is whether usage is impacted.  If something is going wrong from a user's perspective (ie, something you would notice even if that sound wasn't played) then it should be reported and investigated.

There was an issue created awhile ago around the ability to toggle whether the error sound is played and you can read that conversation here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6917

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
They would need to know which version of Chrome it is and of course set the log to debug and grab a copy of the offending bit and post it, not all of it, not here at any rate!


Also what other add ons are in play and is the hardware pretty standard  or is there something specific that might otherwise be the issue. Also of course the version of Windows 10 on the machine.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA next snapshot


Running the latest next snapshot of NVDA on a Win 10 system.  Every time I open a web site using Chrome I get the NVDA error sound.  Is this normal?











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Re: Working with Libreoffice is so slow

V Stuart Foote
 

Folks need to be on LibreOffice 5.3.7.2 of the 5.3 branch. Or 5.4.4.2 of the 5.4 branch. Earlier 5.3 releases are not fit to use, nor or earlier 5.4 releases--again either 5.3.7.2 or 5.4.4.2 (or later).

LibreOffice devs have been struggling with Microsoft DirectWrite Direct2D font rendering for several release cycles and either the 5.3.7 release (end of life) or current 5.4.4 release should be used--NVDA behaves well with either but the Graphics card rendering mode will impact things.

Most modern Windows systems will use OpenGL by default, and LibreOffice's DirectWrite Direct2D implementation has been a problem--more than just on screen rendering.  Basically there were issues with failure to cache the fonts in use in a document causing very slow rendering as you move from cell to cell in a calc spreadsheet or page through a Writer document.  The 5.3.7 build is fine without OpenGL, but if using OpenGL (likely for most) move to the 5.4.4 release, or the pending 6.0.0 release.  Link below.

Performance is much improved for all users, good scrolling and movement between spreadsheet cells.

Stuart

Link to the LibreOffice project build archive for the 5.4.4.2 build, 32-bit or 64-bit builds:

http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/5.4.4.2/win/


Re: Working with Libreoffice is so slow

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi,

Sorry for the delay in replying, I'm still catching up.  Is this sluggishness with a particular file, or any file (or a blank sheet etc)?

A couple of thing to try or find out please:

- Which version of LibreOffice are you running?
- Which version of Windows?
- Which version of NVDA?
- Are you using any add-ons?
- If you restart NVDA with addons disabled (press NVDA+q, then down arrow to restart with addons disabled) does it make a difference.
- Roughly how old is the computer you are using and are other programs sluggish?



On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Edhoari Setiyoso <edhoari.s@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I'm trying to edit document with LibreOffice Calc. Mowing between cell is so slow. I have to wait around 3-4 seconds before I can type anything. Is there a way to workaround this?

Note: I have the same issue with LibreOffice Writer as well.

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Re: Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

 

Hi,
One important thing to note: not all universal apps are universal. Most apps you get from Microsoft Store are universal apps (in that they'll use UIA), but a handful are old desktop apps converted into a partial universal app for distribution on Microsoft Store (and very soon, another app will join that rank).
As for the tutorial set in a zip file: it'll go up sometime in February (likely by the time NVDA 2018.1 release candidate comes out).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 3:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

Joseph:


Your tutorials were awesome, I'm talking about the 2015 ones, and I just haven't gotten round to checking out the new ones yet. I might wait until the whole zip goes up because then I can just replace the whole set. But yeah, I've been meaning to check them out. Good to know those are universal apps, it's hard to tell sometimes.


On 1/18/2018 16:33, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi John and others,

I normally don’t write the following, but this time…

I highly recommend listening to my tutorial set. If you listen to
object navigation and popular apps sections, you’ll get the answer you
need for navigating universal apps.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and
so on.

I don't know but you might have saved a lot of time by using screen
review or object navigation to skim the screen.

As far as messages in the actual center, I don't know about Windows
10. My recollection about Windows 7 is that you can't read messages
either at all or well enough to be useful.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>

*Sent:*Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:03 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center
and setup in Windows 10? I have Windows App Essentials, latest stable
installed. Let me describe what I'm talking about, because I think
that will help.


Today I saw in the system tray that "actions are needed". So I opened
it up. It opened up Windows Defender. Windows Defender said I needed
to check for updates. But the only way I found that out was by using
NVDA-b to read the entire screen, so I had to listen to a lot of extra
stuff first. Is there a quicker way to find and read those kinds of messages?



Re: Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

John Isige
 

Joseph:


Your tutorials were awesome, I'm talking about the 2015 ones, and I just
haven't gotten round to checking out the new ones yet. I might wait
until the whole zip goes up because then I can just replace the whole
set. But yeah, I've been meaning to check them out. Good to know those
are universal apps, it's hard to tell sometimes.

On 1/18/2018 16:33, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi John and others,

I normally don’t write the following, but this time…

I highly recommend listening to my tutorial set. If you listen to
object navigation and popular apps sections, you’ll get the answer you
need for navigating universal apps.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and
so on.

I don't know but you might have saved a lot of time by using screen
review or object navigation to skim the screen.

As far as messages in the actual center, I don't know about Windows
10.  My recollection about Windows 7 is that you can't read messages
either at all or well enough to be useful.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>

*Sent:*Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:03 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center and
setup in Windows 10? I have Windows App Essentials, latest stable
installed. Let me describe what I'm talking about, because I think that
will help.


Today I saw in the system tray that "actions are needed". So I opened it
up. It opened up Windows Defender. Windows Defender said I needed to
check for updates. But the only way I found that out was by using NVDA-b
to read the entire screen, so I had to listen to a lot of extra stuff
first. Is there a quicker way to find and read those kinds of messages?



Re: any solution

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi

On Dell running Windows 10, press and hold Shift, Alt and Print Screen
together this will give the option to toggle between High contrast.

Regards,

Stephen

On 18/01/2018 19:17, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Maybe it's the color filter. Try pressing CTRL+win+c to toggle it.
To make sure it's off, check under Settings, Ease of Access, Color &
high contrast.

On 1/18/2018 10:00 AM, anthony borg wrote:
Hi folks

I wonder if anyone can help me.

I have a dell laptop model I 7 inspirer 5337” and the screen became
black and white.

Can anyone explain to me what I should do to get it back to normal please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony



Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.

 

Hello
thanks for getting this to me.

On 1/18/2018 8:13 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:
I did some digging for you! This is why I love blind people so much. Giving opinions rather than answering your question, to the person who is looking for the sound scheme. It's not worth hearing all opinions, much less explain it to a super blindy. :, don't bother with them. They are not worth a reply. Anyway, I did some digging for you and, although, it is not browser focused, it may help. It is a sound scheme for windows that covers the whole operating system, even web browsers. The link is below.

http://onj3.andrelouis.com/programs/44.1k%20-%20soundscheme%20for%20windows.exe


Re: Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

 

Hi John and others,

I normally don’t write the following, but this time…

I highly recommend listening to my tutorial set. If you listen to object navigation and popular apps sections, you’ll get the answer you need for navigating universal apps.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

 

I don't know but you might have saved a lot of time by using screen review or object navigation to skim the screen. 

 

As far as messages in the actual center, I don't know about Windows 10.  My recollection about Windows 7 is that you can't read messages either at all or well enough to be useful.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige

Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:03 PM

Subject: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

 

Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center and
setup in Windows 10? I have Windows App Essentials, latest stable
installed. Let me describe what I'm talking about, because I think that
will help.


Today I saw in the system tray that "actions are needed". So I opened it
up. It opened up Windows Defender. Windows Defender said I needed to
check for updates. But the only way I found that out was by using NVDA-b
to read the entire screen, so I had to listen to a lot of extra stuff
first. Is there a quicker way to find and read those kinds of messages?



Re: Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just had a look in the windows action center I tabbed once and it put me in the messages where i could arrow down and up them to see what they were.


also in the same section if i tabbed a couple of times it gave me the option to clear it or all of them etc


Depending on some other stuff there are cases where object navigation may be used or screen review.


But did not need to use it here i am using windows 10 ver 1709


Gene nz



On 1/19/2018 11:03 AM, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center and setup in Windows 10? I have Windows App Essentials, latest stable installed. Let me describe what I'm talking about, because I think that will help.


Today I saw in the system tray that "actions are needed". So I opened it up. It opened up Windows Defender. Windows Defender said I needed to check for updates. But the only way I found that out was by using NVDA-b to read the entire screen, so I had to listen to a lot of extra stuff first. Is there a quicker way to find and read those kinds of messages?





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Re: Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

Adriani Botez
 

Unfortunately, screen review does not work in windows 10 as well as it did in previous windows versions. But object navigation works.

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Gene
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 23:17
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

 

I don't know but you might have saved a lot of time by using screen review or object navigation to skim the screen. 

 

As far as messages in the actual center, I don't know about Windows 10.  My recollection about Windows 7 is that you can't read messages either at all or well enough to be useful.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige

Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:03 PM

Subject: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

 

Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center and
setup in Windows 10? I have Windows App Essentials, latest stable
installed. Let me describe what I'm talking about, because I think that
will help.


Today I saw in the system tray that "actions are needed". So I opened it
up. It opened up Windows Defender. Windows Defender said I needed to
check for updates. But the only way I found that out was by using NVDA-b
to read the entire screen, so I had to listen to a lot of extra stuff
first. Is there a quicker way to find and read those kinds of messages?



Re: Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

John Isige
 

Ah cool. Then they work just like the updates downloading in settings.
Thanks!

On 1/18/2018 16:05, Adriani Botez wrote:
Hey,

You can use object navigation for reading the messages very easy. Look after Object navigation in NVDA's user guide.

Best
Adriani




-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von John Isige
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 23:03
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center and setup in Windows 10? I have Windows App Essentials, latest stable installed. Let me describe what I'm talking about, because I think that will help.


Today I saw in the system tray that "actions are needed". So I opened it up. It opened up Windows Defender. Windows Defender said I needed to check for updates. But the only way I found that out was by using NVDA-b to read the entire screen, so I had to listen to a lot of extra stuff first. Is there a quicker way to find and read those kinds of messages?







Re: Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

Gene
 

I don't know but you might have saved a lot of time by using screen review or object navigation to skim the screen. 
 
As far as messages in the actual center, I don't know about Windows 10.  My recollection about Windows 7 is that you can't read messages either at all or well enough to be useful.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center and
setup in Windows 10? I have Windows App Essentials, latest stable
installed. Let me describe what I'm talking about, because I think that
will help.


Today I saw in the system tray that "actions are needed". So I opened it
up. It opened up Windows Defender. Windows Defender said I needed to
check for updates. But the only way I found that out was by using NVDA-b
to read the entire screen, so I had to listen to a lot of extra stuff
first. Is there a quicker way to find and read those kinds of messages?




Re: Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

Adriani Botez
 

Hey,

You can use object navigation for reading the messages very easy. Look after Object navigation in NVDA's user guide.

Best
Adriani




-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von John Isige
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 23:03
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center and setup in Windows 10? I have Windows App Essentials, latest stable installed. Let me describe what I'm talking about, because I think that will help.


Today I saw in the system tray that "actions are needed". So I opened it up. It opened up Windows Defender. Windows Defender said I needed to check for updates. But the only way I found that out was by using NVDA-b to read the entire screen, so I had to listen to a lot of extra stuff first. Is there a quicker way to find and read those kinds of messages?


Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.

John Isige
 

Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center and setup in Windows 10? I have Windows App Essentials, latest stable installed. Let me describe what I'm talking about, because I think that will help.


Today I saw in the system tray that "actions are needed". So I opened it up. It opened up Windows Defender. Windows Defender said I needed to check for updates. But the only way I found that out was by using NVDA-b to read the entire screen, so I had to listen to a lot of extra stuff first. Is there a quicker way to find and read those kinds of messages?


Re: CHM, a.k.a. Microsoft Help files

Chris Mullins
 

Agreed, I’d forgotten about the top row of the numpad, so Tonea, please substitute NVDA+Numpad 8 with NVDA+Numpad / and Numpad 8 with Numpad /.  Apologies for the mistake.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 January 2018 00:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CHM, a.k.a. Microsoft Help files

 

NVDA key plus numpad 8 doesn't move the mouse nor does it perform a left click.

Using the desktop layout, nvda key plus key numpad slash moves the cursor to the position of the review cursor or the object navigator, depending on what means of navigation you are using.  Just numpad slash  by itself performs a left click.

 

I don't use the laptop layout and I don't know the commands.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] CHM, a.k.a. Microsoft Help files

 

Hi Tonea

I found a chm file on my machine and opened it.  On entry, I was placed in the Contents list and used arrow keys to traverse it.  When I found a topic I wanted help on I pressed f6.  This moved me to the help topic details.  I used arrow keys to move around the help topic window. From here I switched into screen review mode and located the following gbuttons

Hide Print Options Search Contents Favorites       

 

I could access these buttons via review cursor then use NVDA +Numpad 8 to  move the mouse pointer , then activated button using numpad 8 to simulate a mouse click.  I also found that alt+o opens a context menu containing the following:

Hide Tabs

Back

Forward

Home

Stop

Refresh

Internet Options...

Print...   

 

Some of these are probably equivalent to the header items you  could not access.  Alt+s also opened up the search function which was also accessible.

 

HTH

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: 17 January 2018 15:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] CHM, a.k.a. Microsoft Help files

 

A while back, I asked for help with making my documentation equal access to NVDA users. James Austin And Cearbhall O’Meadhra both answered my call and have been very patient in helping me.

 

Microsoft help files end in a CHM extension. Just a refresher: this format generates a window with the following buttons along the top: Hide, Back, Forward, Home, Print, and Options. Below the button bar, there is a left-hand side that contains three tabs: Content, Search, and Favorites. In the Contents tab, there is an organizational tree that allows you to look at the page names and navigate directly to the page you want. On the right hand side, there is the content window. It displays the header of the page and any navigation buttons relating to the page, such as Previous, Top, and Next. Below the header is the content for the page.

 

On the first run through, the content window was blank. I contacted my software’s maker and they had me make some changes. I’m not using Word, but just as Word can save as a single document or PDF or web page, this software can save as an entire web site, a CHM help file, or a PDF. I had applied something they call a skin to give the entire set of pages the same look and feel as the software it is supporting. These guys told me to remove the skin. According to them, all that would remain is Microsoft’s CHM frame and my pages within it.

 

On the second run through, the content window was there, but the content header (with the buttons that appear next to it) was not visible to NVDA. This told me that most of the problem was in the skin. I contacted the software maker since the skin was from one of their templates.

 

I’m quoting their response: The most likely cause there is a non-scrolling header, where the topic header stays in the same place and the topic content scrolls in a box below it. If the screen reader is old/poorly programmed/dumb then it is quite possible that it wouldn't be able to handle that. End quote.

 

Well, on behalf of everyone here, I was offended. I may not yet have access to NVDA but I know everyone here works hard to help it be a really good product. I’ve gone back to my files and, as a sighted user, I can’t see any header that stays in the same place. I will be contacting them about that and pushing them to nail down this problem and also to help me get a skin that doesn’t make the files invisible to screen readers.

 

However, I also have to be respectful and ask if anyone knows of a CHM file that is completely readable to NVDA? Is any of this problem an issue with the NVDA software? Or, is it a known problem with CHM that users of other screen readers also experience?

 

Thank you for your understanding,

 

Tonea Morrow


Re: Portable version degrading

Gene
 

I don't know.  I would think the easiest way to deal with the situation would be not to make a new portable version, but to make a copy of the existing portable version when it is working properly and then delete and copy the portable version to where it was before.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Portable version degrading

I've noticed over the past couple years that my portable install of nvda
will sometimes degrade or get a bit corrupted over time all by itself
while the installed version is always stable as a rock.  Does anyone
know why this is and is there any way to prevent this from happening?  I
use the portable copy to test a couple add ons and if the portable
version corrupts, it can make it appear that the add on is defective or
has a bug while it really doesn't.  Deleting the portable copy and
making a new one will clear it up.  I also notice a few functions of
nvda either don't work at all or nvda gets very sluggish in
responsiveness and this all gets back to normal after a complete flush
and remake of the portable version.  As I say, this never has happened
at all with my installed copy on the same computer.


Roger





Portable version degrading

Roger Stewart
 

I've noticed over the past couple years that my portable install of nvda will sometimes degrade or get a bit corrupted over time all by itself while the installed version is always stable as a rock. Does anyone know why this is and is there any way to prevent this from happening? I use the portable copy to test a couple add ons and if the portable version corrupts, it can make it appear that the add on is defective or has a bug while it really doesn't. Deleting the portable copy and making a new one will clear it up. I also notice a few functions of nvda either don't work at all or nvda gets very sluggish in responsiveness and this all gets back to normal after a complete flush and remake of the portable version. As I say, this never has happened at all with my installed copy on the same computer.


Roger


Re: any solution

Tyler Spivey
 

Maybe it's the color filter. Try pressing CTRL+win+c to toggle it.
To make sure it's off, check under Settings, Ease of Access, Color &
high contrast.

On 1/18/2018 10:00 AM, anthony borg wrote:
Hi folks

I wonder if anyone can help me.

I have a dell laptop model I 7 inspirer 5337” and the screen became
black and white.

Can anyone explain to me what I should do to get it back to normal please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


any solution

anthony borg
 

Hi folks

I wonder if anyone can help me.

I have a dell laptop model I 7 inspirer 5337” and the screen became black and white.

Can anyone explain to me what I should do to get it back to normal please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.

Gene
 

It has nothing to do with superblind people nor with blind people at all, whom you generalize about and disparage by saying that they just offer opinions.  I didn't look up such information because I thought there was unlikely to be another such add on. There are lots of blind people who use firefox who don't use sounds and they aren't, nor do they hold themselves out as super blind people. 
 
If you finally looked something up, after this discussion has gone on for a month, fine.  I'm glad you found something that may be useful.  You can present such information without disparaging others.  You can also express an opinion such as, some blind people are too intent on convincing others to do something another way.  That isn't disparaging or dismissive.
 
As to the issue of sounds, my position is that if you use an older version of a browser which has stopped being supported just because of sounds, that is an overreliance on sounds.  Sacrificing security for sounds when there are other ways to tell when a page finishes loading and of following downloads is, in my opinion, a bad idea.  Things aren't ideal.  In deciding whether to hear sounds or have a safer computer, I think choosing sounds is a bad choice.  there is nothing superblind about it.  If you disagree, fine.  You can express your disagreement without being disparaging.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.

I did some digging for you! This is why I love blind people so much. Giving opinions rather than answering your question, to the person who is looking for the sound scheme. It's not worth hearing all opinions, much less explain it to a super blindy. :, don't bother with them. They are not worth a reply. Anyway, I did some digging for you and, although, it is not browser focused, it may help. It is a sound scheme for windows that covers the whole operating system, even web browsers. The link is below.

http://onj3.andrelouis.com/programs/44.1k%20-%20soundscheme%20for%20windows.exe