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Re: Portable version degrading
Gene
Sometimes things happen and you never know
why. Unless your hard drive is developing bad sectors, I doubt people will
have possible explanations.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Portable version degrading internal hard drive. So why is this degrading? Nothing else on this drive has any trouble and I've checked, and there's no file system errors nor any fragmenting. Roger On 1/19/2018 8:28 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > USB drives do need to be unmounted before removing them, otherwise there is > the risk of file system corruption. Precisely the same is true for external > hard drives, floppy disks, or any other writeable medium you can temporarily > attach to a computer. > > I've never seen a USB thumb drive fall apart, and I think they're considerably > more robust than floppy disks, which is basically what they replaced. You can > also drop them on the floor with a good deal more confidence of them working > afterwards than if you drop an external hard disk. > > Yes, they're vulnerable to static electricity; that's why most of them have > plastic caps to put over the contacts or a slider to retract the contacts into > the body. > > My experience is that if they're treated reasonably they work very well. If > they're mistreated they'll give as many problems as any other mistreated > storage medium. > > > Antony. > > On Friday 19 January 2018 at 15:17:36, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote: > >> A few years back, I had a job for three years where people brought me their >> files on USB thumb drives. These things are horrible in terms of >> long-life. The really do have to be unmounted prior to removing from the >> computer or they get corrupted. They physically fall apart easily. And, >> the hardware inside seems to be more vulnerable to static electricity data >> loss than other portable drives, certainly more vulnerable than most >> computers. >> >> >> >> I would think that would be the problem. >> >> >> >> Tonea >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> I've noticed over the past couple years that my portable install of nvda >> will sometimes degrade or get a bit corrupted over time all by itself >> while the installed version is always stable as a rock. Does anyone know >> why this is and is there any way to prevent this from happening? I use >> the portable copy to test a couple add ons and if the portable version >> corrupts, it can make it appear that the add on is defective or has a bug >> while it really doesn't. Deleting the portable copy and making a new one >> will clear it up. I also notice a few functions of nvda either don't work >> at all or nvda gets very sluggish in responsiveness and this all gets back >> to normal after a complete flush and remake of the portable version. As I >> say, this never has happened at all with my installed copy on the same >> computer. >> >> >> >> >> >> Roger
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Re: Portable version degrading
Gene
Thumb drives aren't reliable enough to use as
permanent backup but I've kept files on them for long periods of time with no
problems. I've had the same files elsewhere as well but floppy drives are
reasonably reliable.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Portable version degrading the risk of file system corruption. Precisely the same is true for external hard drives, floppy disks, or any other writeable medium you can temporarily attach to a computer. I've never seen a USB thumb drive fall apart, and I think they're considerably more robust than floppy disks, which is basically what they replaced. You can also drop them on the floor with a good deal more confidence of them working afterwards than if you drop an external hard disk. Yes, they're vulnerable to static electricity; that's why most of them have plastic caps to put over the contacts or a slider to retract the contacts into the body. My experience is that if they're treated reasonably they work very well. If they're mistreated they'll give as many problems as any other mistreated storage medium. Antony. On Friday 19 January 2018 at 15:17:36, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote: > A few years back, I had a job for three years where people brought me their > files on USB thumb drives. These things are horrible in terms of > long-life. The really do have to be unmounted prior to removing from the > computer or they get corrupted. They physically fall apart easily. And, > the hardware inside seems to be more vulnerable to static electricity data > loss than other portable drives, certainly more vulnerable than most > computers. > > > > I would think that would be the problem. > > > > Tonea > > > > -----Original Message----- > > I've noticed over the past couple years that my portable install of nvda > will sometimes degrade or get a bit corrupted over time all by itself > while the installed version is always stable as a rock. Does anyone know > why this is and is there any way to prevent this from happening? I use > the portable copy to test a couple add ons and if the portable version > corrupts, it can make it appear that the add on is defective or has a bug > while it really doesn't. Deleting the portable copy and making a new one > will clear it up. I also notice a few functions of nvda either don't work > at all or nvda gets very sluggish in responsiveness and this all gets back > to normal after a complete flush and remake of the portable version. As I > say, this never has happened at all with my installed copy on the same > computer. > > > > > > Roger -- #define SIX 1+5 #define NINE 8+1 int main() { printf("%d\n", SIX * NINE); } - thanks to ECB for bringing this to my attention Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Working with Libreoffice is so slow
V Stuart Foote
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:33 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Is there a version of the suggested version for use as a portable app, asYes, both 5.3.7 and 5.4.4 are available as PortableApps.com framework PAFs (for Windows), an English build and a larger All "supported" languages build. 5.3.7 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/5.3.7 5.4.4 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/5.4.4 I have no personal experience with using these NVDA, let us know
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Re: Portable version degrading
Roger Stewart
The problem with this discussion is my portable version is on an internal hard drive. So why is this degrading?
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Nothing else on this drive has any trouble and I've checked, and there's no file system errors nor any fragmenting. Roger
On 1/19/2018 8:28 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
USB drives do need to be unmounted before removing them, otherwise there is
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Re: Portable version degrading
Rob Hudson
tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov wrote:
Unless buried deep enough to not be subject to the heat, the record would be destroyed over time from heat and cold cycle, in my opinion. If buried deep enough to be consistent in temperature, then it becomes accessible to water damage. If you have a link to information on such burials, that would be an interesting read. Sorry, I don't. It was just something I heard on, I think, the Kommando radio show, about 20 years ago. It stuck in my mind, however, and I still remember the reference. Another interesting tidbit I heard was archeologists trying to get voice fragments off pottery shards. http://www.ohgizmo.com/2006/02/20/5000-year-old-recordings-caught-on-pottery/ I'm very fascinated by stuff like this. However, we're now venturing off grounds for this list, so I'll shut up, now.
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Re: echo characters and words
Lino Morales
Yes Kevin. Hit NVDA number row 2 to toggle characters on and off and NVDA number row 3 to turn speaking of words on and off. HTH buddy.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 1:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] echo characters and words
Is this possible to do in NVDA using the latest
Email is golden !!!
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Re: Portable version degrading
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
LOL!
I agree that S.D. cards are a better choice.
As for vinyl, the recording is so big that you can both see and feel it on the media. You can’t do that with any traditional computer format—I think that is what give it such stability. Small distortions to the recording don’t impede replay.
With regard to burying vinyl recordings in the desert: grains of sand would scratch out the recordings, so I assume you meant they are protectively wrapped and then buried. I still think that might not be such a good way to store vinyl. I remember in the 1970’s watching my mom heat a record in the oven and then lay it over a cup to create a vinyl bowl. Unless buried deep enough to not be subject to the heat, the record would be destroyed over time from heat and cold cycle, in my opinion. If buried deep enough to be consistent in temperature, then it becomes accessible to water damage. If you have a link to information on such burials, that would be an interesting read.
All in all though, I agree and think Vinyl has proved itself better at surviving than any computer format. (grinning)
Tonea
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:45 AM I put my portable NVDA installs on S D cards and use a ten dollar USB card reader. The only way to hurt a card like that is to drop it in water, I guess. And most computers nowadays come with card readers built in to them. If you're willing to pay a little more, you can buy USB flash drives in protective, rubberized or metal housings. These are a great deal sturdier than the cheapies you can get for a few bucks. Not only do those fall apart easily, but they will go corrupt faster. Even if you unmount them using the "Safey Remove Hardware" item on windows or the "umount" option in Linux. Solid state memory only has a limited number of reads/writes. The least corruptible data medium I've heard of is vinyl records. I've heard you can actually listen to a vinyl record by spinning it and using a pine needle. They have buried some of our worlds most important speeches and such in the desert on vinyl. I'm not sure what it is about that medium specifically that makes it better suited for long term storage, though.
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Re: Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.
Lino Morales
Well to read messages in the Actions Center is rather simple. Just hit WIN plus A and tab to the list of notifications. If you need more details press enter. If you just want to simply clear them all tab to the clear all button.
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From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 5:17 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.
I don't know but you might have saved a lot of time by using screen review or object navigation to skim the screen.
As far as messages in the actual center, I don't know about Windows 10. My recollection about Windows 7 is that you can't read messages either at all or well enough to be useful.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: John Isige Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:03 PM Subject: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.
Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center and
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Re: Portable version degrading
Rob Hudson
Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
I've never seen a USB thumb drive fall apart, and I think they're considerablyI put my portable NVDA installs on S D cards and use a ten dollar USB card reader. The only way to hurt a card like that is to drop it in water, I guess. And most computers nowadays come with card readers built in to them. If you're willing to pay a little more, you can buy USB flash drives in protective, rubberized or metal housings. These are a great deal sturdier than the cheapies you can get for a few bucks. Not only do those fall apart easily, but they will go corrupt faster. Even if you unmount them using the "Safey Remove Hardware" item on windows or the "umount" option in Linux. Solid state memory only has a limited number of reads/writes. The least corruptible data medium I've heard of is vinyl records. I've heard you can actually listen to a vinyl record by spinning it and using a pine needle. They have buried some of our worlds most important speeches and such in the desert on vinyl. I'm not sure what it is about that medium specifically that makes it better suited for long term storage, though.
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Re: Portable version degrading
Antony Stone
USB drives do need to be unmounted before removing them, otherwise there is
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the risk of file system corruption. Precisely the same is true for external hard drives, floppy disks, or any other writeable medium you can temporarily attach to a computer. I've never seen a USB thumb drive fall apart, and I think they're considerably more robust than floppy disks, which is basically what they replaced. You can also drop them on the floor with a good deal more confidence of them working afterwards than if you drop an external hard disk. Yes, they're vulnerable to static electricity; that's why most of them have plastic caps to put over the contacts or a slider to retract the contacts into the body. My experience is that if they're treated reasonably they work very well. If they're mistreated they'll give as many problems as any other mistreated storage medium. Antony.
On Friday 19 January 2018 at 15:17:36, tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov wrote:
A few years back, I had a job for three years where people brought me their --
#define SIX 1+5 #define NINE 8+1 int main() { printf("%d\n", SIX * NINE); } - thanks to ECB for bringing this to my attention Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Portable version degrading
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
A few years back, I had a job for three years where people brought me their files on USB thumb drives. These things are horrible in terms of long-life. The really do have to be unmounted prior to removing from the computer or they get corrupted. They physically fall apart easily. And, the hardware inside seems to be more vulnerable to static electricity data loss than other portable drives, certainly more vulnerable than most computers.
I would think that would be the problem.
Tonea
-----Original Message-----
I've noticed over the past couple years that my portable install of nvda will sometimes degrade or get a bit corrupted over time all by itself while the installed version is always stable as a rock. Does anyone know why this is and is there any way to prevent this from happening? I use the portable copy to test a couple add ons and if the portable version corrupts, it can make it appear that the add on is defective or has a bug while it really doesn't. Deleting the portable copy and making a new one will clear it up. I also notice a few functions of nvda either don't work at all or nvda gets very sluggish in responsiveness and this all gets back to normal after a complete flush and remake of the portable version. As I say, this never has happened at all with my installed copy on the same computer.
Roger
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Re: CHM, a.k.a. Microsoft Help files
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
You are my hero of the morning! Thank you Chris! This tells me the CHM skeleton is accessible, even if cumbersom in its accessibility. Now I can go back to the software people and be more firm.
My department of the FAA develops software for different government offices. We, as a developer, have moved away from CHM. But, sometimes we get customers who want that format for their own reasons. While I might have to tell our people that they can’t use a skin to make it pretty, I can at least confirm that we can offer it as an 508-accessible format.
Sorry it took me so long to get back. I was in meetings and will be in meetings almost all of next week. But, better to say this late than not at all: Thank you!
Tonea
---Original Message---
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Hi Tonea I found a chm file on my machine and opened it. On entry, I was placed in the Contents list and used arrow keys to traverse it. When I found a topic I wanted help on I pressed f6. This moved me to the help topic details. I used arrow keys to move around the help topic window. From here I switched into screen review mode and located the following gbuttons Hide Print Options Search Contents Favorites
I could access these buttons via review cursor then use NVDA +Numpad 8 to move the mouse pointer , then activated button using numpad 8 to simulate a mouse click. I also found that alt+o opens a context menu containing the following: Hide Tabs Back Forward Home Stop Refresh Internet Options... Print...
Some of these are probably equivalent to the header items you could not access. Alt+s also opened up the search function which was also accessible.
HTH Chris
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Re: any solution
anthony borg
Hi
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Many thanks for your help. Best regards Anthony
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey Sent: 18 January 2018 20:17 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] any solution Maybe it's the color filter. Try pressing CTRL+win+c to toggle it. To make sure it's off, check under Settings, Ease of Access, Color & high contrast. On 1/18/2018 10:00 AM, anthony borg wrote: Hi folks
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Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.
You are right. Nothing is passed through from firefox. These new sounds appear to work on all browsers, not just firefox. They consist of very distinct sounds for loading pages, closing programs, dialog boxes popping up, and things like that, although, it still ads no sounds for completed downloads in firefox. Try as I might I can't find anything like that for just firefox alone.
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Re: any solution
anthony borg
Hi Stephen
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Many thanks for your help. Best regards Anthony
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan Sent: 19 January 2018 00:01 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] any solution Hi On Dell running Windows 10, press and hold Shift, Alt and Print Screen together this will give the option to toggle between High contrast. Regards, Stephen On 18/01/2018 19:17, Tyler Spivey wrote: Maybe it's the color filter. Try pressing CTRL+win+c to toggle it.please?
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Re: NVDA issue in win10 after security patch update.
Amala <anbujustin@...>
I tried at windows 10 without the below patch(windows security patch). It is working as expected. Could anybody help resolve the issue. Thanks. Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool for Windows 8, 8.1, 10 and Windows Server 2012, 2012 R2, 2016 x64 Edition - November 2017 (KB890830)
On 18 Jan 2018 11:15, "Amala" <anbujustin@...> wrote:
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Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.
Robert Mendoza
In addition, I did tested this one time to my Windows 10 and nothing to be against in terms of the speed. However, upon downloading certain file the progress bar could not even heard in the background and not sure what exactly causing of no sounds of it.
Robert Mendoza On 1/19/2018 8:40 PM, Robert Mendoza
wrote:
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Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.
Robert Mendoza
Unfortunately, some of the addons is not usable if you are using
Firefox Quantum that somehow could not adhere as for specific
function or purpose I do hope they would able to came up
resolution to handle this problem in terms of accessibility.
Wondering they would have predict this on hand cause seemingly
impact lots of users. Not sure if anyone here reported this to the
Mozillian space so that they are aware of.
Robert Mendoza On 1/19/2018 7:16 PM, Clare Page wrote:
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Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.
Clare Page <clare.page@...>
Hi ! I have used the Windows sound scheme for which a link was posted below for a ong time now, both with Internet Explorer and with Firefox, and I can report from my own experience that this sound scheme only adds browser sounds to Firefox if the Navigational Sounds Firefox add-on is used. Therefore, as I gather that Navigational Sounds doesn’t work with Firefox Quantum, the sound scheme won’t restore sounds in Firefox 57 or later, even though you will get other sounds for the rest of Windows if you use the scheme. Sorry this doesn’t help people who prefer sounds in their web browsers, but I felt I should point out that the sound scheme mentioned below will not solve the problem of there being no sounds in the newest versions of Firefox and no possibility of installing Navigational Sounds as an add-on for those new versions. Bye for now! From Clare
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: jeudi 18 janvier 2018 16:14 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.
I did some digging for you! This is why I love blind people so much. Giving opinions rather than answering your question, to the person who is looking for the sound scheme. It's not worth hearing all opinions, much less explain it to a super blindy. :, don't bother with them. They are not worth a reply. Anyway, I did some digging for you and, although, it is not browser focused, it may help. It is a sound scheme for windows that covers the whole operating system, even web browsers. The link is below.
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Welcome to NVDA 2018: Part 1 complete package now available
Dear NVDA community,
I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of part 1 of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial package. At the moment the mp3 file that covers introductory matters (such as what is NVDA, features, installing and updating NVDA and so on) can be found at: http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/1/nvda_tutorial_1.mp3
Eventually the file location will move, and once that happens, I’ll provide updated links. As noted earlier, I will indeed create a zip file containing all tutorial parts once all nine parts (plus some addenda) are completed in February.
Last minute changes: a segment that covers what NVDA is, basic definition of a screen reader, and a story of how NVDA began has been added.
Enjoy. Cheers, Joseph
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