Date   

Re: space

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, a blank like is a blank line, a space is a space.At least as far as I see it.

On Jan 25, 2018, at 1:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Blanks are not always spaces though are they?
it could be just a crlf or some kind of other invisible character not a space.
brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" <kleeva5@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 2:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] space


Is it possible to change when NVDA says blank to space like jaws, blank doesn’t sound good.

Email is golden !!!
Kevin Lee





Re: FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

Sarah k Alawami
 

I assume it will just update? I think that's hwat it did to me, I have not actually checked my version since I hosed and reinstalled my windows 2 weeks ago.

On Jan 25, 2018, at 6:20 PM, Casey <cwollner@...> wrote:

hi where can you get the latest Firefox 58 from?




On 1/25/2018 6:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Pascal,
 
I'm really amazed at how fast FF 58 is. I'm thinking of making it my default browser too.
 
Rosemarie
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers
 
Hi All,
Till two days ago, I was very frustrated with Firefox.  Wow, FF58 solved all of them and today I am surfing beautifully with Firefox like never before.  I made it again my default.
Blessings
Pascal
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers
 
Same with me!
I am using NVDA latest master development snapshot,
And it works really well with Firefox 58. I am accessing so many programs, apps, and browsers with NVDA verses JAWS. JAWS is getting way behind. NVDA works much better in Edge, for example. I really want to show my gratitude for all you do.
I just tried the News app with JAWS 2018 and NVDA, and NVDA works much better. I am using NVDA more and more to do just what I want to do.
Also, NVDA lets me know, in the mail app, as I type, when I made a spelling mistake. I can just press Shift+F10 to correct it.
That is beautiful.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers
 
Respected friends, as you are well aware that Mozilla has updated its browser FF58 on January 23rd 2018 as it promised!
I’m very much delighted to let you know that NVDA is well a head of all screen reader regarding the use of FF58.
The matter of fact is that I have JAWS 18.4530, JAWS 2018.1712.54, narrator and NVDA 2017.4.
I have tested FF58 with all of them and I found out that Fire Fox 58 is working the best with NVDA 2017.4.
I really couldn’t understand that even then Freedomscientific/VFO is charging hundreds and thousands of US Dollars from visually challenged people  and from different agencies which are helping visually challenged people, why they haven’t come up with JAWS update before releasing of Fire Fox 58!
This fundamental question is enough to convince those people and agencies which are giving hundreds and thousands of Dollars to Freedomscientific/VFo, should donate a hand some amount of money to NVAccess as well so it can work for the betterment of visually challenged people better than before!
In short all I can say is “East and west, NVDA is the best”
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1
 
 
Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
Inamuddin.ronaque@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409
 
 

-- 

Casey


Re: FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

hi where can you get the latest Firefox 58 from?




On 1/25/2018 6:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Pascal,

 

I'm really amazed at how fast FF 58 is. I'm thinking of making it my default browser too.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

 

Hi All,

Till two days ago, I was very frustrated with Firefox.  Wow, FF58 solved all of them and today I am surfing beautifully with Firefox like never before.  I made it again my default.

Blessings

Pascal

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

 

Same with me!

I am using NVDA latest master development snapshot,

And it works really well with Firefox 58. I am accessing so many programs, apps, and browsers with NVDA verses JAWS. JAWS is getting way behind. NVDA works much better in Edge, for example. I really want to show my gratitude for all you do.

I just tried the News app with JAWS 2018 and NVDA, and NVDA works much better. I am using NVDA more and more to do just what I want to do.

Also, NVDA lets me know, in the mail app, as I type, when I made a spelling mistake. I can just press Shift+F10 to correct it.

That is beautiful.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

 

Respected friends, as you are well aware that Mozilla has updated its browser FF58 on January 23rd 2018 as it promised!

I’m very much delighted to let you know that NVDA is well a head of all screen reader regarding the use of FF58.

The matter of fact is that I have JAWS 18.4530, JAWS 2018.1712.54, narrator and NVDA 2017.4.

I have tested FF58 with all of them and I found out that Fire Fox 58 is working the best with NVDA 2017.4.

I really couldn’t understand that even then Freedomscientific/VFO is charging hundreds and thousands of US Dollars from visually challenged people  and from different agencies which are helping visually challenged people, why they haven’t come up with JAWS update before releasing of Fire Fox 58!

This fundamental question is enough to convince those people and agencies which are giving hundreds and thousands of Dollars to Freedomscientific/VFo, should donate a hand some amount of money to NVAccess as well so it can work for the betterment of visually challenged people better than before!

In short all I can say is “East and west, NVDA is the best”

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
Inamuddin.ronaque@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

 

 


-- 

Casey


code factory Eloquence for NVDA

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

Anyone know if it can be bought using paypal, after I installed it then pressed buy all it displays is visa or master card.  When I contacted code factory they said they accept paypal so just select paypal in the payment option.  I don’t see an option to use paypal unless it’s somewhere else!

 

Email is golden !!!
Kevin Lee

 


Re: Budget Cuts

Gene
 

The message specifically said that she wouldn't see any replies. 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Budget Cuts

Hi Tonea

Sorry to hear this news and hope you will soon find a new position.  I appreciate your professionalism and willingness to listen and trust these attributes will stand you in good stead in your future career.

 

All the best

Chris    

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: 25 January 2018 23:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Budget Cuts

 

Last weekend, the U.S. government could not agree on a budget. As a result, it shut down for 3 days. Temporary funding is in place until February 8th, I think. But, budget cuts are taking place.

 

As a result, my position has be ended. I wanted to give you my sincerest thank you for all of your help. I was able to create important documents to help guide my department in making everything more accessible. That would not have been possible without your help. My termination is not a reflection of failure by me nor of animosity in the office. It is simple logic. “The last one hired is the first on fired.”

 

I will not have the opportunity to see any responses, so don’t worry about sending any.

 

I simply wanted to not leave without saying Thank You. So…

 

Thank You.

 

Tonea Morrow

Technical Writer


Re: FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

Craig
 

Hi.

 

I have been very happy with it. FF has been my browser for a while and I haven’t experienced hardly any issues with the lsat version.

Cheers

 

c

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, 26 January 2018 10:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

 

Hi, Pascal,

 

I'm really amazed at how fast FF 58 is. I'm thinking of making it my default browser too.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

 

Hi All,

Till two days ago, I was very frustrated with Firefox.  Wow, FF58 solved all of them and today I am surfing beautifully with Firefox like never before.  I made it again my default.

Blessings

Pascal

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

 

Same with me!

I am using NVDA latest master development snapshot,

And it works really well with Firefox 58. I am accessing so many programs, apps, and browsers with NVDA verses JAWS. JAWS is getting way behind. NVDA works much better in Edge, for example. I really want to show my gratitude for all you do.

I just tried the News app with JAWS 2018 and NVDA, and NVDA works much better. I am using NVDA more and more to do just what I want to do.

Also, NVDA lets me know, in the mail app, as I type, when I made a spelling mistake. I can just press Shift+F10 to correct it.

That is beautiful.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

 

Respected friends, as you are well aware that Mozilla has updated its browser FF58 on January 23rd 2018 as it promised!

I’m very much delighted to let you know that NVDA is well a head of all screen reader regarding the use of FF58.

The matter of fact is that I have JAWS 18.4530, JAWS 2018.1712.54, narrator and NVDA 2017.4.

I have tested FF58 with all of them and I found out that Fire Fox 58 is working the best with NVDA 2017.4.

I really couldn’t understand that even then Freedomscientific/VFO is charging hundreds and thousands of US Dollars from visually challenged people  and from different agencies which are helping visually challenged people, why they haven’t come up with JAWS update before releasing of Fire Fox 58!

This fundamental question is enough to convince those people and agencies which are giving hundreds and thousands of Dollars to Freedomscientific/VFo, should donate a hand some amount of money to NVAccess as well so it can work for the betterment of visually challenged people better than before!

In short all I can say is “East and west, NVDA is the best”

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
Inamuddin.ronaque@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

 

 


Re: Budget Cuts

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Tonea

Sorry to hear this news and hope you will soon find a new position.  I appreciate your professionalism and willingness to listen and trust these attributes will stand you in good stead in your future career.

 

All the best

Chris    

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: 25 January 2018 23:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Budget Cuts

 

Last weekend, the U.S. government could not agree on a budget. As a result, it shut down for 3 days. Temporary funding is in place until February 8th, I think. But, budget cuts are taking place.

 

As a result, my position has be ended. I wanted to give you my sincerest thank you for all of your help. I was able to create important documents to help guide my department in making everything more accessible. That would not have been possible without your help. My termination is not a reflection of failure by me nor of animosity in the office. It is simple logic. “The last one hired is the first on fired.”

 

I will not have the opportunity to see any responses, so don’t worry about sending any.

 

I simply wanted to not leave without saying Thank You. So…

 

Thank You.

 

Tonea Morrow

Technical Writer


Re: need full office 2016 tutorial

abdul muhamin
 

Its office 2016

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 2:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need full office 2016 tutorial

 

Any chance we could find out which version of office? 98? 2010? 2016?

 

Tonea

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] need full office 2016 tutorial

 

Hi, hope all are doing well. In these days, I’m learning ms office, but the problem is, that institute doesn’t provide special classes with screen readers. So I need your help, give me a tutorial wich can help me learning office with ease, thanks in advance!

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

 

 


Re: FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Pascal,

 

I'm really amazed at how fast FF 58 is. I'm thinking of making it my default browser too.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

 

Hi All,

Till two days ago, I was very frustrated with Firefox.  Wow, FF58 solved all of them and today I am surfing beautifully with Firefox like never before.  I made it again my default.

Blessings

Pascal

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

 

Same with me!

I am using NVDA latest master development snapshot,

And it works really well with Firefox 58. I am accessing so many programs, apps, and browsers with NVDA verses JAWS. JAWS is getting way behind. NVDA works much better in Edge, for example. I really want to show my gratitude for all you do.

I just tried the News app with JAWS 2018 and NVDA, and NVDA works much better. I am using NVDA more and more to do just what I want to do.

Also, NVDA lets me know, in the mail app, as I type, when I made a spelling mistake. I can just press Shift+F10 to correct it.

That is beautiful.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FireFox 58 And Screen Readers

 

Respected friends, as you are well aware that Mozilla has updated its browser FF58 on January 23rd 2018 as it promised!

I’m very much delighted to let you know that NVDA is well a head of all screen reader regarding the use of FF58.

The matter of fact is that I have JAWS 18.4530, JAWS 2018.1712.54, narrator and NVDA 2017.4.

I have tested FF58 with all of them and I found out that Fire Fox 58 is working the best with NVDA 2017.4.

I really couldn’t understand that even then Freedomscientific/VFO is charging hundreds and thousands of US Dollars from visually challenged people  and from different agencies which are helping visually challenged people, why they haven’t come up with JAWS update before releasing of Fire Fox 58!

This fundamental question is enough to convince those people and agencies which are giving hundreds and thousands of Dollars to Freedomscientific/VFo, should donate a hand some amount of money to NVAccess as well so it can work for the betterment of visually challenged people better than before!

In short all I can say is “East and west, NVDA is the best”

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
Inamuddin.ronaque@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

 

 


Re: Insert/override mode

Gene
 

NVDA is designed to take the action of the insert key when you press it twice.  The first time you press it, it performs its NVDA function.  If you press it twice quickly, it performs the function it performs otherwise.  That is also true if you have shift set as a modifier.  Pressing once, it's an NVDA key.  Press it twice quickly and it turns the caps lock on or off.  Perhaps you should use the caps lock key as a modifier.  You will quickly know if you've accidentally turned the caps lock on.  Windows beeps if the caps lock is on and you press the shift key while typing. Also, the caps lock being turned on and off is announced by NVDA.  So using the caps lock is the only solution I know and it's a pretty good one.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] Insert/override mode

Hi all,


NVDA uses the insert key extensively. Often times I accidentally press
it twice, and then my text editor goes into override mode. Is there a
way to prevent this from happening? I don't want to enter the override
mode to begin with, but every time it takes me a long time to figure out
that I'm in override mode.


Or is there a way to play some sound signal when I"m entering override
mode to alert me?


Thank you

Tony





Insert/override mode

Tony Malykh
 

Hi all,


NVDA uses the insert key extensively. Often times I accidentally press it twice, and then my text editor goes into override mode. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? I don't want to enter the override mode to begin with, but every time it takes me a long time to figure out that I'm in override mode.


Or is there a way to play some sound signal when I"m entering override mode to alert me?


Thank you

Tony


Budget Cuts

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

Last weekend, the U.S. government could not agree on a budget. As a result, it shut down for 3 days. Temporary funding is in place until February 8th, I think. But, budget cuts are taking place.

 

As a result, my position has be ended. I wanted to give you my sincerest thank you for all of your help. I was able to create important documents to help guide my department in making everything more accessible. That would not have been possible without your help. My termination is not a reflection of failure by me nor of animosity in the office. It is simple logic. “The last one hired is the first on fired.”

 

I will not have the opportunity to see any responses, so don’t worry about sending any.

 

I simply wanted to not leave without saying Thank You. So…

 

Thank You.

 

Tonea Morrow

Technical Writer


Re: Facebook for Beginners

Andrea Sherry
 

Thanks for that one.

Andrea


On 26/01/2018 5:59 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


If you go to the following page at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

then jump down by headings until you get to the face book tutorials it should help you on your way. I think there is a written and audio tutorials there.


The main face book web site was used  and you need to go into focus mode at times to see the extra options which is more heard in the audio tutorial.


It may cover a little on the mobile one in the audio tutorial it or the tutorials were done a couple of years back but gives you a idea and shortcut keys as well.


Gene nz



On 1/25/2018 11:02 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
Can anyone suggest a source for some tutorial or docsa?

Andrewa


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." - Carl Brad


Re: need full office 2016 tutorial

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

Any chance we could find out which version of office? 98? 2010? 2016?

 

Tonea

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] need full office 2016 tutorial

 

Hi, hope all are doing well. In these days, I’m learning ms office, but the problem is, that institute doesn’t provide special classes with screen readers. So I need your help, give me a tutorial wich can help me learning office with ease, thanks in advance!

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

 


Re: Merged cells in tables

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

Very helpful and understandable. Thank you.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Merged cells in tables

 

Hi Tonea

Screen readers tend to have a set of keystrokes for navigating tables.  In both NVDA and Jaws we hold down the Control and alt keys, then use up./down/left/right to move one cell in that direction and verbalise the cell content.  Using tab in ms Word will traverse a table lef to right, top to bottom but if you press tab when on the bottom right cell, a new row is inserted.  This is great when building tables but not good when trying to red them.  This tabbing behaviour occurs in Word but does not work when I was reding your sample tables in Outlook.  The first sample table read fine using Control+alt+arrow commands but I struggled with the one containing merged cells in that only the first row behaves as if it has 3 columns so I can only move down columns 2 and 3.  This is because merged cells are referenced by top/leftmost co-ordinates in the merged cell range.  For example if I am positioned on row 2 column 2 and I press control+alt+left arrow, I go back to row 1 column 1, so lose my position in the table.

 

My personal opinion is that the guidance you read is still good and avoiding merged cells in  tables is preferable in accessibility terms.  In your example, having a heading of “Actions agreed upon”, followed by a 3 row/2 column table of data would give you an accessible alternative.   

 

HTH

Chris

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: 25 January 2018 16:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Merged cells in tables

 

I don’t think this is a screen reader question, I think it is a perception question.

 

I don’t remember where I saw it, but some guidance somewhere said that accessibility means don’t merge cells in tables. I wanted to know if that was outdated or still a good idea.

 

Here’s an example of a plain table without any merged cells. It is 3 rows and 3 columns. This was composed in Outlook, so it let me specify a header row, but not the headers for each row…

Ice Cream

Nuts

Whipped Cream

Chocolate

73%

92%

Vanilla

88%

52%

 

Here’s an example of a table with merged cells. Again, it is 3 rows and 3 columns, but this time the 3 cells in the first column have been merged into one large cell. Again, a header row is specified.

Actions Agreed Upon

Who

What

Mary

Write a formal letter of praise

John

Email all members with the good news

 

When I tab through, as MS Word says to do, then the merged cell is the first cell for each row. It read as:

Actions Agreed Upon, Who, What

Actions Agreed Upon, Mary, Write a formal letter of praise

Actions Agreed Upon, John, Email all members with the good news

 

If that is the way people understand it, then I think that would be fine. I just need to know if anyone wants to weigh in on tables and organization and accessibility.

 

Tonea

 

_._,_._,_

 


Re: Facebook for Beginners

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If you go to the following page at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

then jump down by headings until you get to the face book tutorials it should help you on your way. I think there is a written and audio tutorials there.


The main face book web site was used  and you need to go into focus mode at times to see the extra options which is more heard in the audio tutorial.


It may cover a little on the mobile one in the audio tutorial it or the tutorials were done a couple of years back but gives you a idea and shortcut keys as well.


Gene nz



On 1/25/2018 11:02 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
Can anyone suggest a source for some tutorial or docsa?

Andrewa


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Re: Merged cells in tables

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Tonea

Screen readers tend to have a set of keystrokes for navigating tables.  In both NVDA and Jaws we hold down the Control and alt keys, then use up./down/left/right to move one cell in that direction and verbalise the cell content.  Using tab in ms Word will traverse a table lef to right, top to bottom but if you press tab when on the bottom right cell, a new row is inserted.  This is great when building tables but not good when trying to red them.  This tabbing behaviour occurs in Word but does not work when I was reding your sample tables in Outlook.  The first sample table read fine using Control+alt+arrow commands but I struggled with the one containing merged cells in that only the first row behaves as if it has 3 columns so I can only move down columns 2 and 3.  This is because merged cells are referenced by top/leftmost co-ordinates in the merged cell range.  For example if I am positioned on row 2 column 2 and I press control+alt+left arrow, I go back to row 1 column 1, so lose my position in the table.

 

My personal opinion is that the guidance you read is still good and avoiding merged cells in  tables is preferable in accessibility terms.  In your example, having a heading of “Actions agreed upon”, followed by a 3 row/2 column table of data would give you an accessible alternative.   

 

HTH

Chris

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: 25 January 2018 16:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Merged cells in tables

 

I don’t think this is a screen reader question, I think it is a perception question.

 

I don’t remember where I saw it, but some guidance somewhere said that accessibility means don’t merge cells in tables. I wanted to know if that was outdated or still a good idea.

 

Here’s an example of a plain table without any merged cells. It is 3 rows and 3 columns. This was composed in Outlook, so it let me specify a header row, but not the headers for each row…

Ice Cream

Nuts

Whipped Cream

Chocolate

73%

92%

Vanilla

88%

52%

 

Here’s an example of a table with merged cells. Again, it is 3 rows and 3 columns, but this time the 3 cells in the first column have been merged into one large cell. Again, a header row is specified.

Actions Agreed Upon

Who

What

Mary

Write a formal letter of praise

John

Email all members with the good news

 

When I tab through, as MS Word says to do, then the merged cell is the first cell for each row. It read as:

Actions Agreed Upon, Who, What

Actions Agreed Upon, Mary, Write a formal letter of praise

Actions Agreed Upon, John, Email all members with the good news

 

If that is the way people understand it, then I think that would be fine. I just need to know if anyone wants to weigh in on tables and organization and accessibility.

 

Tonea

 


Re: First letter navigation for Thunderbird add on

 

I didn't even know there was a add on for thunderbird can I get that as well?

On 1/25/2018 6:08 AM, Brian Moore wrote:
Hi. This was a thunderbird add on not an NVDA one.


if you install the add on into thunderbird, that will work.


let me know if you need an explanation on how to do that.


Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
On 25/01/2018 7:21 AM, Lisa P Geibel wrote:
Hi,

Before the Windows reinstall, I used to have a great add on for first letter navigation in Thunderbird to get to folders quickly. I have this saved to my computer, but can't get it moved into NVDA to use it nor can I find it on the site. Is this add on still available and if so, can someone please help me with it? Thanks.






Pons media downloader?

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks.

Subject says it all.

Anyone no where I can find it?


Merged cells in tables

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

I don’t think this is a screen reader question, I think it is a perception question.

 

I don’t remember where I saw it, but some guidance somewhere said that accessibility means don’t merge cells in tables. I wanted to know if that was outdated or still a good idea.

 

Here’s an example of a plain table without any merged cells. It is 3 rows and 3 columns. This was composed in Outlook, so it let me specify a header row, but not the headers for each row…

Ice Cream

Nuts

Whipped Cream

Chocolate

73%

92%

Vanilla

88%

52%

 

Here’s an example of a table with merged cells. Again, it is 3 rows and 3 columns, but this time the 3 cells in the first column have been merged into one large cell. Again, a header row is specified.

Actions Agreed Upon

Who

What

Mary

Write a formal letter of praise

John

Email all members with the good news

 

When I tab through, as MS Word says to do, then the merged cell is the first cell for each row. It read as:

Actions Agreed Upon, Who, What

Actions Agreed Upon, Mary, Write a formal letter of praise

Actions Agreed Upon, John, Email all members with the good news

 

If that is the way people understand it, then I think that would be fine. I just need to know if anyone wants to weigh in on tables and organization and accessibility.

 

Tonea