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Re: WinTenApps 18.02 released, taking a break in February andlooking for volunteers to help out with this add-on #addonrelesae

David Moore
 

Thanks, Joseph!

Please get some rest, and I am behind you with school!

Thanks for everything!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] WinTenApps 18.02 released, taking a break in February andlooking for volunteers to help out with this add-on #AddonRelesae

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 18.02 is now available (from the usual place via the usual update method). This release introduces a workaround for some apps that wouldn’t let NVDA announce new messages automatically, as well as improving emoji panel experience for Windows Insiders.

 

Important: in order to concentrate on school and other things (including putting last minute touches to Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial series and preparing for national speech and debate competitions in April), I’m taking a break from development of this add-on in February. During this time:

  • There won’t be a lot of development snapshot releases (worst case scenario is none during February). I’ll try my best to release one or two development snapshots if an issue that requires my attention comes up (especially if an Insider Preview breaks some functionality and urgent workaround is needed).
  • I’d like to request help from volunteers to maintain this add-on. If you’d like to submit code (especially app modules for universal aps), please send pull requests via GitHub. I’ll try my best to incorporate your work (giving credit in the process) as soon as I return from this “add-on development vacation”.

 

P.S. The real reason: Producing Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set has burned me out, thus I’m desperate for a break. Besides, I do need to concentrate on preparing for possibly two national speech and debate competitions in April, as well as making sure I am ready to learn new things in college courses (for reference, I am a Cal State LA student and a speech and debate competitor there alongside carrying out my duties for the NVDA community); as much as NVDA community and my add-ons (and code contributions and what not) are important, I cannot forget who I truly am (a student), hence taking a break from NVDA activities for a while (I’ll discuss my current situation in a later post).

Thank you and enjoy the new WinTenApps update.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Strange phenomenon on Windows 10

Felix G.
 

Sure, here goes. This is the log excerpt of me alt+tabbing without any feedback, with debugging enabled:
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - speech.speak (08:05:48.842):
Speaking [u'Explorer  Reihe 1  Spalte 2']
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (08:05:48.844):
Potential unimplemented child class: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_MultitaskingViewFrameListItemListItemUIA object at 0x05255B10>
IO - braille.BrailleBuffer.update (08:05:48.845):
Braille regions text: [u'Explorer']
IO - braille.BrailleHandler.update (08:05:48.845):
Braille window dots: 157 1346 1234 123 135 1235 15 1235
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:49.154):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:49.378):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:49.605):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:49.841):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:50.075):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:50.299):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:50.539):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:50.776):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:51.003):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:51.246):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:51.496):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:51.727):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:51.966):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:52.210):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:52.441):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:52.681):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:52.926):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:53.153):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:53.384):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:53.631):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:53.868):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:54.115):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (08:05:54.351):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (08:05:54.711):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'Falscher Parameter.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (08:05:54.720):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'Falscher Parameter.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (08:05:54.782):
Speaking [u'Letting Go (Pt. 2) - Liquid Mind - Google Play Musik - Mozilla Firefox']
IO - braille.BrailleBuffer.update (08:05:54.785):
Braille regions text: [u'Letting Go (Pt. 2) - Liquid Mind - Google Play Musik - Mozilla Firefox']
IO - braille.BrailleHandler.update (08:05:54.785):
Braille window dots: 1237 15 2345 2345 24 1345 1245 - 12457 135 - 236 12347 2345 3 - 126 356 - 36 - 1237 24 12345 136 24 145 - 1347 24 1345 145 - 36 - 12457 135 135 1245 123
IO - braille.BrailleBuffer.update (08:05:55.119):

As you can see, the first one works, the rest is silence.
All the best,
Felix

Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> schrieb am Di., 30. Jan. 2018 um 00:37 Uhr:

Hello,

 

could you post the content of the log file when encountering this issue? Ideally with debugging activated in NVDA’s preferences and general settings.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Felix G.
Gesendet: Montag, 29. Januar 2018 19:26
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Strange phenomenon on Windows 10

 

Dear NVDA community,

from time to time on Windows 10 I encounter a strange cluster of symptoms of which I can't make head nor tail, so I thought I'd ask around if anyone else is noticing and may have an explanation for them.

It usually starts with some missing feedback. For instance, I launch a program, and a sighted friend confirms it has indeed launched and has gained focus, but NVDA keeps silent about it.

In that situation, if I decide to alt+tab around, usually the first tab will announce a window title, but subsequent tabs don't. Releasing the alt key often yields the title of the window to which I switched, but no information about the control that gained focus in the process.

Pressing NVDA+t to find out the window title will then usually yield "Explorer."

The tab key will indeed move focus from control to control but NVDA keeps blissfully unaware of it.
The situation often resolves itself after some patient waiting, but may in rare cases leave the system in an altered state until it is rebooted.

Does that ring a bell for anyone?

All the best,

Felix


WinTenApps 18.02 released, taking a break in February and looking for volunteers to help out with this add-on #addonrelesae

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 18.02 is now available (from the usual place via the usual update method). This release introduces a workaround for some apps that wouldn’t let NVDA announce new messages automatically, as well as improving emoji panel experience for Windows Insiders.

 

Important: in order to concentrate on school and other things (including putting last minute touches to Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial series and preparing for national speech and debate competitions in April), I’m taking a break from development of this add-on in February. During this time:

  • There won’t be a lot of development snapshot releases (worst case scenario is none during February). I’ll try my best to release one or two development snapshots if an issue that requires my attention comes up (especially if an Insider Preview breaks some functionality and urgent workaround is needed).
  • I’d like to request help from volunteers to maintain this add-on. If you’d like to submit code (especially app modules for universal aps), please send pull requests via GitHub. I’ll try my best to incorporate your work (giving credit in the process) as soon as I return from this “add-on development vacation”.

 

P.S. The real reason: Producing Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set has burned me out, thus I’m desperate for a break. Besides, I do need to concentrate on preparing for possibly two national speech and debate competitions in April, as well as making sure I am ready to learn new things in college courses (for reference, I am a Cal State LA student and a speech and debate competitor there alongside carrying out my duties for the NVDA community); as much as NVDA community and my add-ons (and code contributions and what not) are important, I cannot forget who I truly am (a student), hence taking a break from NVDA activities for a while (I’ll discuss my current situation in a later post).

Thank you and enjoy the new WinTenApps update.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: nvda app version

inamuddinInam Uddin
 

How people got this great news?

Is there any source?

If so, please share with me!

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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda app version

 

Hi,

I will answer this question and others in the upcoming addendum to my tutorial set. But suffice to say that the old methods will still be there (hint: think about which Windows releases NVDA supports now).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda app version

 

Hay I was wondering if the desk top version will be gone?  And does that mean no more portible version?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: nvda app version

 

Hi,

I will answer this question and others in the upcoming addendum to my tutorial set. But suffice to say that the old methods will still be there (hint: think about which Windows releases NVDA supports now).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda app version

 

Hay I was wondering if the desk top version will be gone?  And does that mean no more portible version?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


nvda app version

Bobby Vinton
 

Hay I was wondering if the desk top version will be gone?  And does that mean no more portible version?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA As Windows 10 App

 

Hi,
2018.1 lays the foundation. I expect the earliest version might be 2018.2 or later.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 6:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA As Windows 10 App

You need to wait until 2018.1, I believe. It should be out soon.


On 1/29/2018 19:23, inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:

Dear friends, when I saw the email regarding NVDA as windows 10 app, I
was very happy but when I searched it into my windows store, I
couldn’t find anything!

Can any one update the status of NVDA as windows 10 app?

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
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Re: NVDA As Windows 10 App

John Isige
 

You need to wait until 2018.1, I believe. It should be out soon.

On 1/29/2018 19:23, inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:

Dear friends, when I saw the email regarding NVDA as windows 10 app, I
was very happy but when I searched it into my windows store, I
couldn’t find anything!

Can any one update the status of NVDA as windows 10 app?

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409


NVDA As Windows 10 App

inamuddinInam Uddin
 

Dear friends, when I saw the email regarding NVDA as windows 10 app, I was very happy but when I searched it into my windows store, I couldn’t find anything!

Can any one update the status of NVDA as windows 10 app?

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
Inamuddin.ronaque@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

 


Re: just want new messages marked as unread in thunderbird

Gene
 

Unread means unread.  If there is a way to cause Thunderbird to do something automatically with messages that are older than a certain number of days, the unread feature isn't the way to do it.  Unread doesn't mean old or new.  It means unread. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] just want new messages marked as unread in thunderbird

I didn't think about keeping the automatically mark messages as read checked. I unchecked it because I thought that older messages would be marked as read. Now I know to leave this box checked.


Rosemarie


   


On 1/29/2018 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Automatically mark messages as read marks messages as read after you open them, as can be inferred by the button you can tab to immediately after that setting.  The button is for setting the length of time after you open a message after which it is marked as read.  You turned the feature off.  Now, no message will be marked as read unless you manually mark it as read.  Turn the setting back on and tell us why you turned it off so we can work with the actual problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 5:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] just want new messages marked as unread in thunderbird

Hi, everyone,


I unchecked the box that says "automatically mark messages as read" in
thunderbird. Now when I read messages, the old messages are marked as
unread. Is there a setting I need to change?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie





Re: just want new messages marked as unread in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I didn't think about keeping the automatically mark messages as read checked. I unchecked it because I thought that older messages would be marked as read. Now I know to leave this box checked.


Rosemarie


   


On 1/29/2018 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Automatically mark messages as read marks messages as read after you open them, as can be inferred by the button you can tab to immediately after that setting.  The button is for setting the length of time after you open a message after which it is marked as read.  You turned the feature off.  Now, no message will be marked as read unless you manually mark it as read.  Turn the setting back on and tell us why you turned it off so we can work with the actual problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 5:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] just want new messages marked as unread in thunderbird

Hi, everyone,


I unchecked the box that says "automatically mark messages as read" in
thunderbird. Now when I read messages, the old messages are marked as
unread. Is there a setting I need to change?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie





Re: just want new messages marked as unread in thunderbird

Gene
 

Automatically mark messages as read marks messages as read after you open them, as can be inferred by the button you can tab to immediately after that setting.  The button is for setting the length of time after you open a message after which it is marked as read.  You turned the feature off.  Now, no message will be marked as read unless you manually mark it as read.  Turn the setting back on and tell us why you turned it off so we can work with the actual problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 5:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] just want new messages marked as unread in thunderbird

Hi, everyone,


I unchecked the box that says "automatically mark messages as read" in
thunderbird. Now when I read messages, the old messages are marked as
unread. Is there a setting I need to change?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie




just want new messages marked as unread in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I unchecked the box that says "automatically mark messages as read" in thunderbird. Now when I read messages, the old messages are marked as unread. Is there a setting I need to change?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie


Re: Strange phenomenon on Windows 10

Adriani Botez
 

Hello,

 

could you post the content of the log file when encountering this issue? Ideally with debugging activated in NVDA’s preferences and general settings.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Felix G.
Gesendet: Montag, 29. Januar 2018 19:26
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Strange phenomenon on Windows 10

 

Dear NVDA community,

from time to time on Windows 10 I encounter a strange cluster of symptoms of which I can't make head nor tail, so I thought I'd ask around if anyone else is noticing and may have an explanation for them.

It usually starts with some missing feedback. For instance, I launch a program, and a sighted friend confirms it has indeed launched and has gained focus, but NVDA keeps silent about it.

In that situation, if I decide to alt+tab around, usually the first tab will announce a window title, but subsequent tabs don't. Releasing the alt key often yields the title of the window to which I switched, but no information about the control that gained focus in the process.

Pressing NVDA+t to find out the window title will then usually yield "Explorer."

The tab key will indeed move focus from control to control but NVDA keeps blissfully unaware of it.
The situation often resolves itself after some patient waiting, but may in rare cases leave the system in an altered state until it is rebooted.

Does that ring a bell for anyone?

All the best,

Felix


Re: Where's my Chatzilla?

Antony Stone
 

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chatzilla/ does state "Not
compatible with Firefox Quantum".

Antony.

On Monday 29 January 2018 at 23:01:07, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Hi Roger, unlikely some of the legacy addons does not work in version
Firefox 58maybe some other time they will incorporate this to future
releases. Just keep fingered crossed. Smile.


Robert Mendoza

On 1/30/2018 5:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I just found that since updating to Firefox 58 that my Chatzilla is
simply gone! I tried searching for it in add ons and it doesn't even
show up there! Does anyone know what's going on here? I hope it will
come back soon as it must be developed by Mozilla along with Firefox.


Roger
--
I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design: One way
is to make it so simple that there are _obviously_ no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no _obvious_
deficiencies.

- C A R Hoare

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Where's my Chatzilla?

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi Roger, unlikely some of the legacy addons does not work in version Firefox 58maybe some other time they will incorporate this to future releases. Just keep fingered crossed. Smile.


Robert Mendoza

On 1/30/2018 5:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I just found that since updating to Firefox 58 that my Chatzilla is simply gone!  I tried searching for it in add ons and it doesn't even show up there!  Does anyone know what's going on here?  I hope it will come back soon as it must be developed by Mozilla along with Firefox.


Roger




Re: Strange phenomenon on Windows 10

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'ma lso runnign windows 10 64 bit pro and so far I don't think I'm having the issue as of yet.

Take care all.

On Jan 29, 2018, at 1:59 PM, George McCoy <slr1bpz@...> wrote:

    I have the same issue.  It started happening right around the time the windows 10 updates came through to provide protection from the Meltdown and Spectre exploits but that may be a coincidence.  I’m running windows 10 professional 64 bit and NVDA 2017.4.
 
George
 
From: Felix G.
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange phenomenon on Windows 10
 
Dear NVDA community,
from time to time on Windows 10 I encounter a strange cluster of symptoms of which I can't make head nor tail, so I thought I'd ask around if anyone else is noticing and may have an explanation for them.
It usually starts with some missing feedback. For instance, I launch a program, and a sighted friend confirms it has indeed launched and has gained focus, but NVDA keeps silent about it.
In that situation, if I decide to alt+tab around, usually the first tab will announce a window title, but subsequent tabs don't. Releasing the alt key often yields the title of the window to which I switched, but no information about the control that gained focus in the process.
Pressing NVDA+t to find out the window title will then usually yield "Explorer."
The tab key will indeed move focus from control to control but NVDA keeps blissfully unaware of it.
The situation often resolves itself after some patient waiting, but may in rare cases leave the system in an altered state until it is rebooted.
Does that ring a bell for anyone?
All the best,
Felix


Re: Strange phenomenon on Windows 10

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

    I have the same issue.  It started happening right around the time the windows 10 updates came through to provide protection from the Meltdown and Spectre exploits but that may be a coincidence.  I’m running windows 10 professional 64 bit and NVDA 2017.4.
 
George
 

From: Felix G.
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange phenomenon on Windows 10
 
Dear NVDA community,
from time to time on Windows 10 I encounter a strange cluster of symptoms of which I can't make head nor tail, so I thought I'd ask around if anyone else is noticing and may have an explanation for them.
It usually starts with some missing feedback. For instance, I launch a program, and a sighted friend confirms it has indeed launched and has gained focus, but NVDA keeps silent about it.
In that situation, if I decide to alt+tab around, usually the first tab will announce a window title, but subsequent tabs don't. Releasing the alt key often yields the title of the window to which I switched, but no information about the control that gained focus in the process.
Pressing NVDA+t to find out the window title will then usually yield "Explorer."
The tab key will indeed move focus from control to control but NVDA keeps blissfully unaware of it.
The situation often resolves itself after some patient waiting, but may in rare cases leave the system in an altered state until it is rebooted.
Does that ring a bell for anyone?
All the best,
Felix


Where's my Chatzilla?

Roger Stewart
 

I just found that since updating to Firefox 58 that my Chatzilla is simply gone!  I tried searching for it in add ons and it doesn't even show up there!  Does anyone know what's going on here?  I hope it will come back soon as it must be developed by Mozilla along with Firefox.


Roger


Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: part 9 (add-ons) posted,completepackages for parts 6 and 7 (provisional)

Jonathan COHN
 

Clare,

 

I wouldn’t worry about the standard installer for NVDA going away. I believe the installation into the Windows store will be for those systems where installation of non-approved (by Microsoft) programs is disallowed. I believe there is a Windows 10S coming out that is designed for schools and specifically blocks installation of software very similar to what Apple’s IOS infrastructure does.

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Clare Page <clare.page@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, January 29, 2018 at 4:54 AM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: part 9 (add-ons) posted,completepackages for parts 6 and 7 (provisional)

 

Hi!

I have read a couple of times now about NVDA becoming a Windows Store app in Windows 10.

However, speaking on behalf of those who don’t have Windows 10, I hope the good old-fashioned desktop NVDA program won’t be going away any time tsoon. I know that means the developers might have two NVDA’s to work on, but it may be quite a long time before every NVDA user has a Windows 10 computer, so here’s hoping the NVDA we all use now will stick around for a good while.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mattias
Sent: dimanche 28 janvier 2018 19:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: part 9 (add-ons) posted,completepackages for parts 6 and 7 (provisional)

 

NVDA as a windows store app?!

cool

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Joseph Lee
Skickat: den 28 januari 2018 04:24
Till:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: part 9 (add-ons) posted,completepackages for parts 6 and 7 (provisional)

 

Hi,

At the moment there are two planned: NVDA and Windows 10 on ARM, and NVDA as a Windows Store app. There won’t be demos, but they’ll include information people will need to know as they encounter NVDA in those situations. One of them ties into what’s coming in NVDA 2018.1, the other is from 2017.4.

 

Specifically:

  • NVDA and Windows 10 on ARM will talk about ARM processors, concept of emulation, why this development is important, and performance considerations.
  • NVDA as a Windows Store app will discuss how classic desktop apps are converted, advantages and limitations and so on.

 

Additional sections upon request… or maybe not. I’ll elaborate in February.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kavein thran
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 7:15 PM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: part 9 (add-ons) posted, completepackages for parts 6 and 7 (provisional)

 

Hi Joseph, thanks for all the good works you’ve done. Really appreciate it so much.

 

What are the next addendums?

 

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On 28 Jan 2018, at 7:59 AM, David Moore <
jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Hi Joseph!

Same goes with me. You will help so many, because I will recommend your tutorials on many Facebook groups, and so many people I know who are interested to have NVDA be at least their back-up screen reader.

I will really listen to all of this myself to prepare myself for certification.

Thank you for all of your time and effort to put these tutorials together in such a understandable way!

David Moore

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From: matthew dyer
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 4:21 PM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to NVDA 2018: part 9 (add-ons) posted, completepackages for parts 6 and 7 (provisional)

 

Hi,

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to put this together.  I am planning to get a hold of this and keep it around for anyone who might be interested.  I will give all of this a listen as I think It will give me a better understanding on how this all works and will help me in teaching others who might need help.

 

Thank you again,.

 

 

 

On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

 

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

I’m delighted to announce the completion of component-based version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set! I’ll explain what I just said in just a moment.

 

Before I go any further, I’d like to take a moment to thank everyone for your continued support and encouragement. The last six weeks have been a challenging yet fun period. In the midst of adjusting to new semester schedule (at Cal State Los Angeles), attending speech and debate competitions, going over add-ons and dealing with NVDA translation issues, I always looked forward to today’s milestone. There are a couple things to be done (including minor edits), but for all intents and purposes, you can now use the 2018 edition of my tutorial set as a handy reference and a teaching tool when training new NVDA users.

 

Today’s milestone means:

 

·         Component-based tutorial set: as promised last year, each segment are separate mp3 files. As of today, all nine sections in the main tutorial set are done. There might be changes in February once NVDA 2018.1 nears completion (if a message changes (especially in NVDA preferences, edits will be done).

·         Usage: as a free tutorial set, anyone is welcome to use the tutorial however they wish (including possible text transcriptions, converting them into a DAISY book, citing in other tutorials, etc.).

 

Speaking of sections: the ninth (and for now, final) section of welcome to NVDA 2018 is now available. This section has gone one of the most extensive edits, as it talks about NVDA add-ons. As always, the section (and components) can be found at www.josephsl.net/tutorials.

 

Also, complete packages for parts 6 and 7 (both concerning NVDA preferences) are now available:

 

·         Welcome to NVDA 2018 part 6A (preferences overview, general settings, synthesizer and supported synthesizers, voice settings and synth settings ring): http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/6/nvda_tutorial_6a.mp3

·         Welcome to NVDA 2018 part 6B (braille settings and supported braille displays, keyboard settings, mouse settings, touch interaction, saving and restoring from saved settings): http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/6/nvda_tutorial_6b.mp3

·         Welcome to NVDA 2018 part 7A (review cursor, input composition settings, object presentation, browse mode): http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/7/nvda_tutorial_7a.mp3

·         Welcome to NVDA 2018 part 7B (document formatting, Windows 10 OCR, speech dictionaries, punctuation/symbol pronunciation, input gestures, restoring to factory defaults): http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/7/nvda_tutorial_7b.mp3

 

Note that complete packages for parts 8 and 9 aren’t up yet. They will go up along with addenda soon. Once features for NVDA 2018.1 are frozen (early February), a zip file containing complete packages, addenda, and an overall introduction and changelog (part 0) will be posted, marking the end of this project. This also means the 2015 edition will be removed from the website. Stay tuned as I’ll also be making an announcement regarding this tutorial set and others.

 

Now for the fun part:

 

Changelog for part 9 (NVDA add-ons) from 2015:

 

·         Completely redone.

·         In add-ons manager segment, added steps on how to enable or disable individual add-ons.

·         Features new and updated add-ons (some prominent, others subtle): GoldWave (updated and used to demonstrate disabling individual add-ons), Systray List (updated), Resource Monitor (updated), DictationBridge (new), Golden Cursor (new), Remote Support (new), Windows 10 App Essentials (new), SentenceNav (new and used during introduction to community add-ons website).

·         GoldWave: the effects of disabling and enabling individual add-ons are demonstrated.

·         SentenceNav: brief demonstration while reading add-ons website content.

·         Systray List: no major changes except for user interface.

·         Resource Monitor: added coverage of system uptime (NVDA+Shift+7) and clarified Windows 10 release announcements for Windows version information (NVDA+Shift+6).

·         Remote Support: basics, including controlling remote computer, muting remote speech, sending clipboard data and add-on options are covered (did not cover remote braille and secure screen considerations due to time constraints).

·         Golden Cursor: covers mouse manipulation via keyboard, mouse arrows, jumping to, saving, and viewing saved mouse positions, changing mouse movement unit, toggling mouse movement restrictions, add-on options.

·         DictationBridge: basic dictation, clicking controls, key presses, installing NVDA commands for Windows Speech Recognition, performing NVDA commands via voice.

·         Windows 10 App Essentials: updating add-on, emoji panel, Skype universal app.

·         Final remarks: links to NVDA users list, GitHub, and NV Access websites are provided, along with information on NVDACon.

·         It will take almost two hours to traverse all segments.

 

Last minute changes on other sections:

·         Part 1 (introduction) has seen file renames to better reflect file content.

·         Tutorial version is now 2018.1 with 2017.4 features included.

·         Introduction for part 6 (NVDA Preferences I) has been updated to say that first half of preferences will cover touch interaction.

 

Overall tutorial set statistics:

·         Total duration: slightly more than 13 hours (minus upcoming addenda).

·         Average duration per section: almost 90 minutes.

·         Average segment duration: 7 minutes.

·         Shortest section: part 1 (Introduction).

·         Longest section: part 4 (NVDA and the web).

·         Longest thematic section: NVDA preferences (parts 6 and 7, which combined runs for over three hours).

 

Up next:

·         Complete packages for parts 8 and 9 will be published, with part 9 divided into two parts. These will go up next week.

·         Addenda: two addendum recordings are planned and will go up soon.

·         The “real” complete package (a zip file) along with part 0 (changelog) will be published once NVDA 2018.1 feature set is frozen in February (for resident translators, this means shortly after start of translatable string freeze).

·         The 2015 edition of Welcome to NVDA will be removed.

 

Thank you and enjoy the tutorial set.

Cheers,

Joseph