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Re: orbit reader20 now on sale

Cristóbal
 

I mean, it's only $450. Can't' expect Champaign on a beer budget.
For a lot of folks, I'll imagine it'll suit their needs just fine. Lots of us just want a super simple way to read Braille. I've got a Brailliant, but if I didn't already have a display, I'd probably get something like this. If for nothing else, just to have an affordable means to maintain my Braille reading skill.

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Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 now on sale

Am I right in thinking its just a dumb display right now ie no function keys etc?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 12:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] orbit reader20 now on sale


Hi
Just to let you all know, the orbit reader20 low cost $449 braille display
is now on sale. It works very good with NVDA. It is liquid and dust
resistant, dots do not give when pressed, feels like braille on elevator
doors or ATM machines, very rugged and durable meant for use in extreme
hostile environments. You can buy it from

www.aph.org

Josh


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Re: Next snaps broken

 

Hi,
Another way might be to remove NVDA, install a previous next snapshot, then update.
Technical: someone is working on letting you postpone NVDA updates once downloaded. Apparently this is causing issues like this, so the developer who's working on this comments that it'll take a while for this feature to settle.
An important reminder: this is one of the reasons why I always warn you NOT to install next snapshots unless you are really adventurous or you have to, as next snapshots are alpha-level code. Master, fine, because it includes features tested by alpha testers for a while. If you do use next snapshots, you should do it if you want to report early problems. You may get an impression that next snapshots are stable, and that's likely because the code that gets tested go through a review process to make sure it is stable for everyone.
In case of future next snapshots: there will come a time (as early as next week) that you'll get a chance to learn why I warned you about next snapshots. The snapshot has to do with a crucial subsystem that is required to upgrade to Python 3, a subsystem I've been working on for the last few months. For some, you can ignore this, but if you start seeing errors with add-ons, that's because these add-ons were not updated to support newer wxPython version. And that's just a start: once we start upgrading to Python 3, you'll encounter more errors early. For those who believe that next snapshots are stable, I'm really sorry to say that it is just an illusion, hence my warning and the "real" reason why it may seem stable.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Next snaps broken

I tried to install the next snapshop over a previous snapshot and it failed.

On 2/2/2018 2:46 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The workaround is to get an earlier version of next snapshot, install
that one, and update.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Next snaps broken

Be aware that if you are running next as a portable it either
downloads and won't run, or if run it creates another instance
unmodified in a new folder or just hangs up windows when you run it.
Windows 7.
So I'd steer clear till they fix it.
I just had to shut the machine down with the power button after
trying to manually run the update exe file today.

Brian

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Re: Next snaps broken

Don H
 

I tried to install the next snapshop over a previous snapshot and it failed.

On 2/2/2018 2:46 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The workaround is to get an earlier version of next snapshot, install that
one, and update.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Subject: [nvda] Next snaps broken
Be aware that if you are running next as a portable it either downloads and
won't run, or if run it creates another instance unmodified in a new folder
or just hangs up windows when you run it.
Windows 7.
So I'd steer clear till they fix it.
I just had to shut the machine down with the power button after trying to
manually run the update exe file today.
Brian
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Re: Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

ely.r@...
 

Joseph,

Thanks again for all of your time and effort for us NVDA users. Wi will miss your voice, but ever so glad that you are taking time away. Good luck in those other parts of your life.

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi,

Important note: this will be my last post on this forum for a while, as I’m desperate to take a break from everything NVDA for a while (except for translations). Besides that:

If I understand her argument, your friend prefers the core functions of NVDA to be written in C++, and let others build things on top via Python and other languages. This is called “language binding”, and this is precisely how wxPython is written: C++ core with python bindings.

In case of NVDA, yes, the primary language in use is Python, but some parts (notably features that require speed) are written in C++. It is arranged that way because Python allows rapid development, but the cost, as she points out, is long-term viability in terms of maintenance.

As for upgrading to Python 3: we’re getting there. A crucial dependency has just been satisfied, so it’ll be matter of time before the upgrade can commence.

As for your friend: please have her email me with any questions, as well as have her CC info@... for further details. Or you can ask your friend to join nvda-devel mailing list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi all,

I was talking to a friend on Facebook. She is a programmer. This went over my head. We were talking about python and NVDA. I will put right below what she said, so you can comment on it, because this is so over my head! She really wants to get involved with the NVDA project.

Here is what she said.

I am a fan of Python as a primary language for a system.  Something like NVDA should have a C++ core with language-of-choice wrappers.  Python is having trouble evolving without completely changing the language, which leaves the risk of building a future of dead, legacy libraries quite high.  It reminds me of what happened to FORTRAN.  Moreover, Python is joy well suited to continually running, closed loops services like NVDA would be.

that said, upgrading to Python 3 is a helpful step that MUST be done.  It is unfortunate that Python was the initial language of choice because this will have to be done again in the coming years.  By the time all is said and done, Python will end up looking looking like "JavaScript without curly braces", which implies the question, "why not have just adopted JavaScriptNode.js in the first place?"

Please explain all of this, and I hope it makes sense to you what she is saying.

She is really interested in NVDA being a programmer herself.

David Moore

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Re: What's App?

aikeo koomanivong
 

Hi here are whatsapp for 32 & 64bit
I didn’t try yet because now I’m looking for the sighted person to
help me scan QRCcode
On lockin it look like website maybe we can use NVDA good
https://web.whatsapp.com/desktop/windows/release/ia32/WhatsAppSetup.exe
https://web.whatsapp.com/desktop/windows/release/x64/WhatsAppSetup.exe

On 2/3/18, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com> wrote:
Try it, and let us know, if it’s a windows store app, it maby accessible

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

From: Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What's App?

Hi guys. I just learned that the What’s App desktop app has made it to the
Microsoft Store. Is it accessible? I want to play with it. Thanks.

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Re: Next snaps broken

 

Hi,
The workaround is to get an earlier version of next snapshot, install that
one, and update.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Next snaps broken

Be aware that if you are running next as a portable it either downloads and
won't run, or if run it creates another instance unmodified in a new folder
or just hangs up windows when you run it.
Windows 7.
So I'd steer clear till they fix it.
I just had to shut the machine down with the power button after trying to
manually run the update exe file today.

Brian

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Next snaps broken

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Be aware that if you are running next as a portable it either downloads and won't run, or if run it creates another instance unmodified in a new folder or just hangs up windows when you run it.
Windows 7.
So I'd steer clear till they fix it.
I just had to shut the machine down with the power button after trying to manually run the update exe file today.

Brian

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Firefox and filehippo update checker

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I have a problem. I thought at first it was either Firefox 52 or nvda, as the page of the files that need updating is not appearing nor any of the clickable items and this in nvdas from the last release to the latest snaps.
So I was on another machine today with firefox 51 on it and that one worked fine. Both running windows 7, and both can run the last release of nvda. My question now is, what might have happened to give this rather specific issue?
Is there an add on or some setting I might have messed up in firefox or is 52 broken in this respect?
No 58 wont show it either I tried that here.

Brian

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Re: orbit reader20 now on sale

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Am I right in thinking its just a dumb display right now ie no function keys etc?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 12:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] orbit reader20 now on sale


Hi
Just to let you all know, the orbit reader20 low cost $449 braille display is now on sale. It works very good with NVDA. It is liquid and dust resistant, dots do not give when pressed, feels like braille on elevator doors or ATM machines, very rugged and durable meant for use in extreme hostile environments. You can buy it from

www.aph.org

Josh


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Re: A weird problem with NVDA

Debra Gardner
 

Hi:

I'm a bit late answering your question, but nothing else seems to be affected except NVDA. System Access and Narrator work just fine over the same places. I may see though if I can do a system restore.


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Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:18 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] A weird problem with NVDA

Can you take the machine back to before the problem started at all?
I nearly always set up a restore point manually when I do any new install.

It definitely sounds like the missing dll issue we have seen before, but maybe its actually missing this time or changed in some way so it won't work even when registered.
What anti virus are you using, and are any other bits of software affected other than those which work with html?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Debra Gardner" <dgardner18@satx.rr.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 8:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] A weird problem with NVDA


Hi: I'm new to this list so thought I'd throw out my problem for your consideration. As of a little over a week ago, NVDA stopped reading web pages-with any browser-; doesn't read context menus; start menus and taskbars; the bodies of emails-both received and written-; things in my control panel. It does read my desktop and system tray and folder lists. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it. I have done the thing suggested on the tutorials list to re-register the dl files. I am using windows 10 64-bit fall creator's edition. NVDA didn't have any problem with any updates. the only thing I installed recently was a dictionary program that turned out not to work with Windows 10. It just says :unknown" or is silent. I'm using a different screen reader to write this.Any suggestions?



Re: How to not start NVDA at login?

Tony Malykh
 

Thank you all for help. A sighted person managed to boot into recovery console and delete the file from there.


Tony


On 2/2/2018 1:11 AM, Chris wrote:

If nvda runs on the login screen then you can bring up the nvda menu and change the way nvda starts or in your case not at all to get into windows

After the required changes save the settings and restart, then you should be good to go

 

 

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: 02 February 2018 04:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to not start NVDA at login?

 

Hi all,

I somehow broke my NVDA by writing a buggy addon and now NVDA doesn’t work. Moreover it somehow prevents the other screenreaders (jaws, narrator) from running. To make things even worse, the keyboard doesn’t seem to be working - otherwise I would’ve opened a command line terminal and typed up the command to erase the file in appdata\roaming\NVDA\globalPlugins. Insert+Q doesn’t work either.

 

So my question is: Is there a way to not start NVDA at login time? Or at least make it not load the addons?

 

NVDA seems to be working fine at the login screen where I need to enter the password, but that is probably because it doesn’t load addons at this time. Once I log in, I hear the four tones NVDA start sound and right after that my keyboard is pretty much dead. I know it’s my fault, I wrote some buggy addon code, but now I really want to revive my computer.

 

Thank you

Tony

 

 

 

 



Re: NVDA snapshots!

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, I don't have any issues there.

Take care

On Feb 1, 2018, at 8:01 PM, inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io <charlsdarwin1@...> wrote:

Dear, did your NVDA not tell you that the word sonday is wrong and the word Sunday is right?
I’m using the latest NVDA snapshot and when I typed the word Sunday as sonday it gave me the sound meaning that I typed the wrong word!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1
 
 
Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
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From: Bob Edenhofer
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA snapshots!
 
I'm also on the development team for NVDA! I started on sonday! I'm on 
the second snapshot already! I'm running the snapshots as a portable! I 
have them on a USB hard drive!
 
 

 
 


Re: tw blue query

Sarah k Alawami
 

It's actually in the manual and you can hit at least for me alt windows k. I use a different layout and I change some of the keys. But there is a wonderfully written manual in the program and folders themselves.

On Feb 2, 2018, at 6:33 AM, anthony borg <anthonyborg001@...> wrote:

Hi 
First of all many thanks for your help. 
Can you please send me the shortcuts of how to use it properly as it is completely new for me. 
Thanks in advance. 
Anthony 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 01 February 2018 19:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] tw blue query
 
Per the docs, hit alt windows i (that's the keyboard layout I use, consult the key guide) type in the user name such as ke7zum and then hit enter.


On Feb 1, 2018, at 9:56 AM, anthony borg <anthonyborg001@...> wrote:
 
Hi folks 
Can someone explain to me how to add somebody twitter address to tw blue please? 
Thanks in advance 
Anthony  
 



Re: orbit reader20 now on sale

Sarah k Alawami
 

You probably caught it when they ran out. It was limited qty.

On Feb 2, 2018, at 7:44 AM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:

It says available soon. I don’t find an order link or so.
 
Best
Adriani
 
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Josh Kennedy
Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Februar 2018 13:47
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] orbit reader20 now on sale
 
Hi
Just to let you all know, the orbit reader20 low cost $449 braille display is now on sale. It works very good with NVDA. It is liquid and dust resistant, dots do not give when pressed, feels like braille on elevator doors or ATM machines, very rugged and durable meant for use in extreme hostile environments. You can buy it from
 
 
Josh
 
 
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Re: orbit reader20 now on sale

Sarah k Alawami
 

They are loud. You will be able to hear it over the mic. Even though I don't like the fact you specifically need a windows machine to update (they tell me to leave my opinions to my self on that one and just deal with it)  I might get me one at least for voiceover work or what not, or just to practice reading braille.

On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:49 AM, Charles Adkins <cadkins6739@...> wrote:

Question, how well would the Orbit work in a radio studio? Do the dots make much noise as they refresh and how fast do they refresh while moving from line to line? Thanks. 


On Feb 2, 2018, at 7:47 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

Hi
Just to let you all know, the orbit reader20 low cost $449 braille display is now on sale. It works very good with NVDA. It is liquid and dust resistant, dots do not give when pressed, feels like braille on elevator doors or ATM machines, very rugged and durable meant for use in extreme hostile environments. You can buy it from
 
 
Josh
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 


Re: orbit reader20 now on sale

Adriani Botez
 

It says available soon. I don’t find an order link or so.

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Josh Kennedy
Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Februar 2018 13:47
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] orbit reader20 now on sale

 

Hi

Just to let you all know, the orbit reader20 low cost $449 braille display is now on sale. It works very good with NVDA. It is liquid and dust resistant, dots do not give when pressed, feels like braille on elevator doors or ATM machines, very rugged and durable meant for use in extreme hostile environments. You can buy it from

 

www.aph.org

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi,

Important note: this will be my last post on this forum for a while, as I’m desperate to take a break from everything NVDA for a while (except for translations). Besides that:

If I understand her argument, your friend prefers the core functions of NVDA to be written in C++, and let others build things on top via Python and other languages. This is called “language binding”, and this is precisely how wxPython is written: C++ core with python bindings.

In case of NVDA, yes, the primary language in use is Python, but some parts (notably features that require speed) are written in C++. It is arranged that way because Python allows rapid development, but the cost, as she points out, is long-term viability in terms of maintenance.

As for upgrading to Python 3: we’re getting there. A crucial dependency has just been satisfied, so it’ll be matter of time before the upgrade can commence.

As for your friend: please have her email me with any questions, as well as have her CC info@... for further details. Or you can ask your friend to join nvda-devel mailing list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi all,

I was talking to a friend on Facebook. She is a programmer. This went over my head. We were talking about python and NVDA. I will put right below what she said, so you can comment on it, because this is so over my head! She really wants to get involved with the NVDA project.

Here is what she said.

I am a fan of Python as a primary language for a system.  Something like NVDA should have a C++ core with language-of-choice wrappers.  Python is having trouble evolving without completely changing the language, which leaves the risk of building a future of dead, legacy libraries quite high.  It reminds me of what happened to FORTRAN.  Moreover, Python is joy well suited to continually running, closed loops services like NVDA would be.

that said, upgrading to Python 3 is a helpful step that MUST be done.  It is unfortunate that Python was the initial language of choice because this will have to be done again in the coming years.  By the time all is said and done, Python will end up looking looking like "JavaScript without curly braces", which implies the question, "why not have just adopted JavaScriptNode.js in the first place?"

Please explain all of this, and I hope it makes sense to you what she is saying.

She is really interested in NVDA being a programmer herself.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: tw blue query

anthony borg
 

Hi

First of all many thanks for your help.

Can you please send me the shortcuts of how to use it properly as it is completely new for me.

Thanks in advance.

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 01 February 2018 19:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] tw blue query

 

Per the docs, hit alt windows i (that's the keyboard layout I use, consult the key guide) type in the user name such as ke7zum and then hit enter.



On Feb 1, 2018, at 9:56 AM, anthony borg <anthonyborg001@...> wrote:

 

Hi folks 

Can someone explain to me how to add somebody twitter address to tw blue please? 

Thanks in advance 

Anthony  

 


Re: orbit reader20 now on sale

Charles Adkins
 

Question, how well would the Orbit work in a radio studio? Do the dots make much noise as they refresh and how fast do they refresh while moving from line to line? Thanks. 


On Feb 2, 2018, at 7:47 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

Hi

Just to let you all know, the orbit reader20 low cost $449 braille display is now on sale. It works very good with NVDA. It is liquid and dust resistant, dots do not give when pressed, feels like braille on elevator doors or ATM machines, very rugged and durable meant for use in extreme hostile environments. You can buy it from

 

www.aph.org

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: What's App?

abdul muhamin
 

Try it, and let us know, if it’s a windows store app, it maby accessible

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

From: Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What's App?

 

Hi guys. I just learned that the What’s App desktop app has made it to the Microsoft Store. Is it accessible? I want to play with it. Thanks.

 

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