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Re: Need urgent help with the FISH memo

Gene
 

If this is an image, then there may be a sight that can translate it for you.  But it's unnecessary.  Search with whatever search engine you want and see if you find a PDF with text.  It is very unusual for these sorts of documents, released as news items not to be available as PDF documents containing text that you can download and read in Adobe reader or whatever you use that does so. 
 
Also, I am telling you that I don't appreciate your ill temper, rudeness and arrogance.  It is arrogant and condescending to tell someone that has gone through the trouble to provide a link, to try again.  If you don't think the site is credible you can say that and say, I'd appreciate it if you find me another link or say something like, for that reason, would you please find me another link.  And there is no excuse for swearing on the list.  I don't particularly care myself, but the list has all sorts of members and some people may find it offensive.  
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Um no damn it! I don’t need bloody advice on how to search the Internet! All I want is someone to make this PDF which is an image readable in a format all blind folks can read! How damn hard is that for you to understand sir! I shouldn’t have to search every damn site to just point me to an inaccisible image!

 

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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

If it says the full pdf version then it's very likely the full PDF version.  Even so-called liberal hack web sites, as you intolerantly call them, aren't stupid.  they won't damage their credibility by doing something so stupid as to show something that is available all over the net from other sources, claim it is the full version, and then change or omit information.  Unlike many people, I consciously try not to live in an echo chamber.  I listen to some opinions I disagree with and I don't assume dishonesty or bad intent.  At times I find something I agree with and at times, I understand something better. 

 

If you don't want to read the PDF from that liberal hack web site, then do a Google search for what you are looking for.  I realize that there are people who don't know how to do good Internet searches.  I'd be willing to help you learn how if you don't.  But I'm not going to do it for you.  That isn't helping you.  That's doing something for you and not teaching you how to find things the next time.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully *accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart people on this list who can make that happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

 

 


Re: Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

David Moore
 

Thanks a lot, Joseph!

Very much appreciate it. Please get some rest.

David Moore

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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi,

Important note: this will be my last post on this forum for a while, as I’m desperate to take a break from everything NVDA for a while (except for translations). Besides that:

If I understand her argument, your friend prefers the core functions of NVDA to be written in C++, and let others build things on top via Python and other languages. This is called “language binding”, and this is precisely how wxPython is written: C++ core with python bindings.

In case of NVDA, yes, the primary language in use is Python, but some parts (notably features that require speed) are written in C++. It is arranged that way because Python allows rapid development, but the cost, as she points out, is long-term viability in terms of maintenance.

As for upgrading to Python 3: we’re getting there. A crucial dependency has just been satisfied, so it’ll be matter of time before the upgrade can commence.

As for your friend: please have her email me with any questions, as well as have her CC info@... for further details. Or you can ask your friend to join nvda-devel mailing list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi all,

I was talking to a friend on Facebook. She is a programmer. This went over my head. We were talking about python and NVDA. I will put right below what she said, so you can comment on it, because this is so over my head! She really wants to get involved with the NVDA project.

Here is what she said.

I am a fan of Python as a primary language for a system.  Something like NVDA should have a C++ core with language-of-choice wrappers.  Python is having trouble evolving without completely changing the language, which leaves the risk of building a future of dead, legacy libraries quite high.  It reminds me of what happened to FORTRAN.  Moreover, Python is joy well suited to continually running, closed loops services like NVDA would be.

that said, upgrading to Python 3 is a helpful step that MUST be done.  It is unfortunate that Python was the initial language of choice because this will have to be done again in the coming years.  By the time all is said and done, Python will end up looking looking like "JavaScript without curly braces", which implies the question, "why not have just adopted JavaScriptNode.js in the first place?"

Please explain all of this, and I hope it makes sense to you what she is saying.

She is really interested in NVDA being a programmer herself.

David Moore

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Re: Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Adriani Botez
 

I am prety sure that this can be implemented in the addon Audiotheme 3d.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 00:30
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I totally agree, this is a fantastic idea for an addon! An addition would be a sound when encountering an open bracket, if in fact there is a closing one the sound would be different then a non-paired bracket. I know nothing about python and have worked very little with sound, but would love to both learn and help with this, how do we go about getting it made?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hi,
NVDA itself can't do this.
Having said that, in my opinion, that is a pretty darn cool idea for an addon. Replacing symbols, letters, or even whole words/strings with sound effects.
I know JAWS has, or at least used to have, a feature like that. I had tons of fun with it. Never thought it could come into practical use though. But yeah. Certainly as a developer, trying to find stray or missing braces, brackets, parentheses, quotes, improperly escaped characters etc is very tricky, and either involves arrowing through character by character, or sit there and listen to it read the whole line including punctuation, which gets rather tedious rather quickly.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Um no damn it! I don’t need bloody advice on how to search the Internet! All I want is someone to make this PDF which is an image readable in a format all blind folks can read! How damn hard is that for you to understand sir! I shouldn’t have to search every damn site to just point me to an inaccisible image!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

If it says the full pdf version then it's very likely the full PDF version.  Even so-called liberal hack web sites, as you intolerantly call them, aren't stupid.  they won't damage their credibility by doing something so stupid as to show something that is available all over the net from other sources, claim it is the full version, and then change or omit information.  Unlike many people, I consciously try not to live in an echo chamber.  I listen to some opinions I disagree with and I don't assume dishonesty or bad intent.  At times I find something I agree with and at times, I understand something better. 

 

If you don't want to read the PDF from that liberal hack web site, then do a Google search for what you are looking for.  I realize that there are people who don't know how to do good Internet searches.  I'd be willing to help you learn how if you don't.  But I'm not going to do it for you.  That isn't helping you.  That's doing something for you and not teaching you how to find things the next time.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully *accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart people on this list who can make that happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

 

 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Gene
 

Then you'll have to suffer the consequences of your arbitrariness.  I almost never make such comments but telling someone to try again after they provide you a perfectly good link in the way you did,  the tone of the way you did it is demanding and errogant.  Try yourself.  And if you refuse to use Google, what's Google going to do, bite you?  you don't even need an account.  Just search for what you are looking for and don't use Google for general searches if you don't want to.  But I told you the way to see pdf documents in web readable versions.  If you don't want to use the tools available to make things accessible, I'm sorry but that's your problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Sorry man, but I don’t use Google. Duck Duck Go.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

The full text of such a release will be available all over.  Do a google search for what you are looking for.  If you can't easily find a nonPDF version, then use the Google results to have it shown as html in your browser.  Most Google results have something under the result.  First, there is the address the result leads to.  then if you are blocking scripts or have them disabled, you will see a cached link.  Folow it to see the browser readable version. 

 

If you are not blocking scripts and they are not disabled, you will see something that may vary depending on which browser you are using.  It may be a button.  Whatever it is, activate it.  Look at what you see after doing so by down arrowing and up arrowing, if necessary.  You will find something you can activate that says cached.  This will show the browser readable conversion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>



 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Gene
 

If it says the full pdf version then it's very likely the full PDF version.  Even so-called liberal hack web sites, as you intolerantly call them, aren't stupid.  they won't damage their credibility by doing something so stupid as to show something that is available all over the net from other sources, claim it is the full version, and then change or omit information.  Unlike many people, I consciously try not to live in an echo chamber.  I listen to some opinions I disagree with and I don't assume dishonesty or bad intent.  At times I find something I agree with and at times, I understand something better. 
 
If you don't want to read the PDF from that liberal hack web site, then do a Google search for what you are looking for.  I realize that there are people who don't know how to do good Internet searches.  I'd be willing to help you learn how if you don't.  But I'm not going to do it for you.  That isn't helping you.  That's doing something for you and not teaching you how to find things the next time.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully *accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart people on this list who can make that happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>


 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Sorry man, but I don’t use Google. Duck Duck Go.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

The full text of such a release will be available all over.  Do a google search for what you are looking for.  If you can't easily find a nonPDF version, then use the Google results to have it shown as html in your browser.  Most Google results have something under the result.  First, there is the address the result leads to.  then if you are blocking scripts or have them disabled, you will see a cached link.  Folow it to see the browser readable version. 

 

If you are not blocking scripts and they are not disabled, you will see something that may vary depending on which browser you are using.  It may be a button.  Whatever it is, activate it.  Look at what you see after doing so by down arrowing and up arrowing, if necessary.  You will find something you can activate that says cached.  This will show the browser readable conversion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>



 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Gene
 

The full text of such a release will be available all over.  Do a google search for what you are looking for.  If you can't easily find a nonPDF version, then use the Google results to have it shown as html in your browser.  Most Google results have something under the result.  First, there is the address the result leads to.  then if you are blocking scripts or have them disabled, you will see a cached link.  Folow it to see the browser readable version. 
 
If you are not blocking scripts and they are not disabled, you will see something that may vary depending on which browser you are using.  It may be a button.  Whatever it is, activate it.  Look at what you see after doing so by down arrowing and up arrowing, if necessary.  You will find something you can activate that says cached.  This will show the browser readable conversion.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>





Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully *accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart people on this list who can make that happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>


 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

John Isige
 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified

On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:

I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
Any help? Thanks.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10


Re: Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Rayn Darren <rayndarren@...>
 

I totally agree, this is a fantastic idea for an addon! An addition would be a sound when encountering an open bracket, if in fact there is a closing one the sound would be different then a non-paired bracket. I know nothing about python and have worked very little with sound, but would love to both learn and help with this, how do we go about getting it made?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hi,
NVDA itself can't do this.
Having said that, in my opinion, that is a pretty darn cool idea for an
addon. Replacing symbols, letters, or even whole words/strings with sound
effects.
I know JAWS has, or at least used to have, a feature like that. I had tons
of fun with it. Never thought it could come into practical use though. But
yeah. Certainly as a developer, trying to find stray or missing braces,
brackets, parentheses, quotes, improperly escaped characters etc is very
tricky, and either involves arrowing through character by character, or sit
there and listen to it read the whole line including punctuation, which gets
rather tedious rather quickly.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am
a developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish
to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to
do so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony


Re: What's App?

aikeo koomanivong
 

Hi all now I’ve been test with this.
It quite accessible for the NVDA
It’s not 100% but we can use it.
Keep your phone always online with the internet because it will
reference on your phone
Please try
regards

On 2/3/18, aikeo koomanivong <moykoomanivong@...> wrote:
Hi here are whatsapp for 32 & 64bit
I didn’t try yet because now I’m looking for the sighted person to
help me scan QRCcode
On lockin it look like website maybe we can use NVDA good
https://web.whatsapp.com/desktop/windows/release/ia32/WhatsAppSetup.exe
https://web.whatsapp.com/desktop/windows/release/x64/WhatsAppSetup.exe


On 2/3/18, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Try it, and let us know, if it’s a windows store app, it maby accessible

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

From: Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What's App?

Hi guys. I just learned that the What’s App desktop app has made it to
the
Microsoft Store. Is it accessible? I want to play with it. Thanks.

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Re: Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
NVDA itself can't do this.
Having said that, in my opinion, that is a pretty darn cool idea for an addon. Replacing symbols, letters, or even whole words/strings with sound effects.
I know JAWS has, or at least used to have, a feature like that. I had tons of fun with it. Never thought it could come into practical use though. But yeah. Certainly as a developer, trying to find stray or missing braces, brackets, parentheses, quotes, improperly escaped characters etc is very tricky, and either involves arrowing through character by character, or sit there and listen to it read the whole line including punctuation, which gets rather tedious rather quickly.
Cheers.
Damien.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am
a developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish
to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to
do so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony


Memo.pdf

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R. How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly. Any help? Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Tony Malykh
 

Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony


Re: orbit reader20 now on sale

Cristóbal
 

I mean, it's only $450. Can't' expect Champaign on a beer budget.
For a lot of folks, I'll imagine it'll suit their needs just fine. Lots of us just want a super simple way to read Braille. I've got a Brailliant, but if I didn't already have a display, I'd probably get something like this. If for nothing else, just to have an affordable means to maintain my Braille reading skill.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 now on sale

Am I right in thinking its just a dumb display right now ie no function keys etc?
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 12:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] orbit reader20 now on sale


Hi
Just to let you all know, the orbit reader20 low cost $449 braille display
is now on sale. It works very good with NVDA. It is liquid and dust
resistant, dots do not give when pressed, feels like braille on elevator
doors or ATM machines, very rugged and durable meant for use in extreme
hostile environments. You can buy it from

www.aph.org

Josh


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Re: Next snaps broken

 

Hi,
Another way might be to remove NVDA, install a previous next snapshot, then update.
Technical: someone is working on letting you postpone NVDA updates once downloaded. Apparently this is causing issues like this, so the developer who's working on this comments that it'll take a while for this feature to settle.
An important reminder: this is one of the reasons why I always warn you NOT to install next snapshots unless you are really adventurous or you have to, as next snapshots are alpha-level code. Master, fine, because it includes features tested by alpha testers for a while. If you do use next snapshots, you should do it if you want to report early problems. You may get an impression that next snapshots are stable, and that's likely because the code that gets tested go through a review process to make sure it is stable for everyone.
In case of future next snapshots: there will come a time (as early as next week) that you'll get a chance to learn why I warned you about next snapshots. The snapshot has to do with a crucial subsystem that is required to upgrade to Python 3, a subsystem I've been working on for the last few months. For some, you can ignore this, but if you start seeing errors with add-ons, that's because these add-ons were not updated to support newer wxPython version. And that's just a start: once we start upgrading to Python 3, you'll encounter more errors early. For those who believe that next snapshots are stable, I'm really sorry to say that it is just an illusion, hence my warning and the "real" reason why it may seem stable.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Next snaps broken

I tried to install the next snapshop over a previous snapshot and it failed.

On 2/2/2018 2:46 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The workaround is to get an earlier version of next snapshot, install
that one, and update.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: [nvda] Next snaps broken

Be aware that if you are running next as a portable it either
downloads and won't run, or if run it creates another instance
unmodified in a new folder or just hangs up windows when you run it.
Windows 7.
So I'd steer clear till they fix it.
I just had to shut the machine down with the power button after
trying to manually run the update exe file today.

Brian

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Re: Next snaps broken

Don H
 

I tried to install the next snapshop over a previous snapshot and it failed.

On 2/2/2018 2:46 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The workaround is to get an earlier version of next snapshot, install that
one, and update.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Subject: [nvda] Next snaps broken
Be aware that if you are running next as a portable it either downloads and
won't run, or if run it creates another instance unmodified in a new folder
or just hangs up windows when you run it.
Windows 7.
So I'd steer clear till they fix it.
I just had to shut the machine down with the power button after trying to
manually run the update exe file today.
Brian
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Re: Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

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Joseph,

Thanks again for all of your time and effort for us NVDA users. Wi will miss your voice, but ever so glad that you are taking time away. Good luck in those other parts of your life.

Rick

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi,

Important note: this will be my last post on this forum for a while, as I’m desperate to take a break from everything NVDA for a while (except for translations). Besides that:

If I understand her argument, your friend prefers the core functions of NVDA to be written in C++, and let others build things on top via Python and other languages. This is called “language binding”, and this is precisely how wxPython is written: C++ core with python bindings.

In case of NVDA, yes, the primary language in use is Python, but some parts (notably features that require speed) are written in C++. It is arranged that way because Python allows rapid development, but the cost, as she points out, is long-term viability in terms of maintenance.

As for upgrading to Python 3: we’re getting there. A crucial dependency has just been satisfied, so it’ll be matter of time before the upgrade can commence.

As for your friend: please have her email me with any questions, as well as have her CC info@... for further details. Or you can ask your friend to join nvda-devel mailing list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi all,

I was talking to a friend on Facebook. She is a programmer. This went over my head. We were talking about python and NVDA. I will put right below what she said, so you can comment on it, because this is so over my head! She really wants to get involved with the NVDA project.

Here is what she said.

I am a fan of Python as a primary language for a system.  Something like NVDA should have a C++ core with language-of-choice wrappers.  Python is having trouble evolving without completely changing the language, which leaves the risk of building a future of dead, legacy libraries quite high.  It reminds me of what happened to FORTRAN.  Moreover, Python is joy well suited to continually running, closed loops services like NVDA would be.

that said, upgrading to Python 3 is a helpful step that MUST be done.  It is unfortunate that Python was the initial language of choice because this will have to be done again in the coming years.  By the time all is said and done, Python will end up looking looking like "JavaScript without curly braces", which implies the question, "why not have just adopted JavaScriptNode.js in the first place?"

Please explain all of this, and I hope it makes sense to you what she is saying.

She is really interested in NVDA being a programmer herself.

David Moore

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