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Re: Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Rayn Darren <rayndarren@...>
 

All I was able to find was the "character" option, but nothing beyond that for specific characters as Tony said, but then I've had to uninstall it as it played very poorly with my current sound card set up. If this is indeed a viable addon and will do what we've been talking about I'll get the sound card working right with it, but if not, I'm not going to go through the serious hassle of altering it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Adriani

How do you do this in AudioThemes addon exactly? I just installed it and
I don't see how you can configure sounds for specific characters.


Tony



On 2/2/2018 5:57 PM, Rayn Darren wrote:
Awesome, thanks so much!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 5:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Here is it:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/AudioThemes3D.en.html


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 02:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Never heard of it, but I don't use addons. Where can I get it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I am prety sure that this can be implemented in the addon Audiotheme 3d.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 00:30
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I totally agree, this is a fantastic idea for an addon! An addition would be a sound when encountering an open bracket, if in fact there is a closing one the sound would be different then a non-paired bracket. I know nothing about python and have worked very little with sound, but would love to both learn and help with this, how do we go about getting it made?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hi,
NVDA itself can't do this.
Having said that, in my opinion, that is a pretty darn cool idea for an addon. Replacing symbols, letters, or even whole words/strings with sound effects.
I know JAWS has, or at least used to have, a feature like that. I had tons of fun with it. Never thought it could come into practical use though. But yeah. Certainly as a developer, trying to find stray or missing braces, brackets, parentheses, quotes, improperly escaped characters etc is very tricky, and either involves arrowing through character by character, or sit there and listen to it read the whole line including punctuation, which gets rather tedious rather quickly.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony






























Re: Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Tony Malykh
 

Adriani

How do you do this in AudioThemes addon exactly? I just installed it and I don't see how you can configure sounds for specific characters.


Tony

On 2/2/2018 5:57 PM, Rayn Darren wrote:
Awesome, thanks so much!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 5:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Here is it:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/AudioThemes3D.en.html


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 02:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Never heard of it, but I don't use addons. Where can I get it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I am prety sure that this can be implemented in the addon Audiotheme 3d.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 00:30
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I totally agree, this is a fantastic idea for an addon! An addition would be a sound when encountering an open bracket, if in fact there is a closing one the sound would be different then a non-paired bracket. I know nothing about python and have worked very little with sound, but would love to both learn and help with this, how do we go about getting it made?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hi,
NVDA itself can't do this.
Having said that, in my opinion, that is a pretty darn cool idea for an addon. Replacing symbols, letters, or even whole words/strings with sound effects.
I know JAWS has, or at least used to have, a feature like that. I had tons of fun with it. Never thought it could come into practical use though. But yeah. Certainly as a developer, trying to find stray or missing braces, brackets, parentheses, quotes, improperly escaped characters etc is very tricky, and either involves arrowing through character by character, or sit there and listen to it read the whole line including punctuation, which gets rather tedious rather quickly.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony





























Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

Peter Chin
 

Hello Listers,
 
A big “thank you” to all who tried to help. I managed to solve my problem by reinstalling the programme. It might have been some Windows update which corrupted one of the files which was corrected when I reinstalled the programme.
 
Thanks again.
 

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program
 

 

Many thanks  afor this.

I will give it a go

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: 29 December 2017 14:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi David,

You're right that we need command prompt to execute it.

  • Download the exe to a folder. Here's the download link https://yt-dl.org/latest/youtube-dl.exe
  • Open cmd.exe and navigate to folder where youtube-dl.exe located
  • Execute the command to retrieve all available format (Note that we use capital F)
    • youtube-dl.exe -F [youtube_url_you_want_to_download]
  • The software will download metadata containing available the format you wanted. There'll be multiple options to choose. We even can download audio only file.
  • Then execute similar command to download media file that you wan (we use small f lerter here)
    • youtube-dl.exe -f [format_code] [youtube_url_you_want_to_download]


Example to download full HD video (format code 22) from nvaccess:

youtube-dl.exe -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE
youtube-dl.exe -f 22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE

Note

  • Add location where we save youtube-dl.exe to system environment PATH in order to access it from anywhere
  • If you add playlist URL, it will download all the videos
  • If the program unable to download, perhaps google made another modifications. Just download the new version and it should work.
  • The good thing of command line is that NVDA works really well with it

If you need help, you may contact me

skype : edhoari.s

email : edhoari.s@...

 

On 29-Dec-17 5:08 PM, David Griffith wrote:

 

Is there any clue as to how to use it?

The documentation seems to assume you have a  degree in programming.

A basic set  of instrukctions for a Windows  User would be very useful.

It appears that you need to run it from a command prompt but how to do this and where to put the program to achieve this, and if possible an example of how to use it  would be great.

I don’t  know if this exists anywhere.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: 29 December 2017 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

You could try this software (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/)

I use it for couple of years without problems. Only when google made modifications on youtube then I need to update it.

 

On 29-Dec-17 4:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that this program  is no longer in development so the chance of  an update may be remote.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 December 2017 08:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Google have changed the way Youtube works, so I'd suspect whoever wrote the

software needs to also change something to sort it.

Brian

 

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Sent via blueyonder.

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in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Peter Chin" mailto:peter.chinpk@...

To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

I have been using Pontes Media Downloader for some time without any problems

until recently. Now, when I try to download a file, the download starts but

stops, and there is a message that “An error has occurred”. What should I do

to correct that? All suggestions are welcome.

 

My OS is Windows 8.1.

From: Jason Milyo

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi, there I use Pontes Media Downloader it’s easy to set up and you can

paste links and just tab of what format you want the video to be converted

too and go from there promps are accessible.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

From: Dan Thompson

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years.  But

suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto

download into the music folder.    I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.

It seems the new version of this program from  DVDVideoSoft  in the new 4.62

version has become very unaccessible.

 

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5

build 5-05.  However, now with the new verson nothing downloads

automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging

itself.  The menus are rather unaccessible.

 

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with

seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

 

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




-- 
Best Regards
 
Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com

 



-- 
Best Regards
 
Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com

 


Re: Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi,

I’d say this is a line of thought that is best suited on NVDA development mailing list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Another interesting question, for those parts that require high performance, is whether following Mozilla’s lead and writing them in Rust would be useful – possibly not, as I suspect NVDA has to interact with a lot of C++ components from elsewhere.

 

Rust offers various guarantees of proper memory usage (e.g., you can’t use memory after it has been freed) without resulting in performance costs, and reputedly simplifies multithreaded programming.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Thanks a lot, Joseph!

Very much appreciate it. Please get some rest.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi,

Important note: this will be my last post on this forum for a while, as I’m desperate to take a break from everything NVDA for a while (except for translations). Besides that:

If I understand her argument, your friend prefers the core functions of NVDA to be written in C++, and let others build things on top via Python and other languages. This is called “language binding”, and this is precisely how wxPython is written: C++ core with python bindings.

In case of NVDA, yes, the primary language in use is Python, but some parts (notably features that require speed) are written in C++. It is arranged that way because Python allows rapid development, but the cost, as she points out, is long-term viability in terms of maintenance.

As for upgrading to Python 3: we’re getting there. A crucial dependency has just been satisfied, so it’ll be matter of time before the upgrade can commence.

As for your friend: please have her email me with any questions, as well as have her CC info@... for further details. Or you can ask your friend to join nvda-devel mailing list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi all,

I was talking to a friend on Facebook. She is a programmer. This went over my head. We were talking about python and NVDA. I will put right below what she said, so you can comment on it, because this is so over my head! She really wants to get involved with the NVDA project.

Here is what she said.

I am a fan of Python as a primary language for a system.  Something like NVDA should have a C++ core with language-of-choice wrappers.  Python is having trouble evolving without completely changing the language, which leaves the risk of building a future of dead, legacy libraries quite high.  It reminds me of what happened to FORTRAN.  Moreover, Python is joy well suited to continually running, closed loops services like NVDA would be.

that said, upgrading to Python 3 is a helpful step that MUST be done.  It is unfortunate that Python was the initial language of choice because this will have to be done again in the coming years.  By the time all is said and done, Python will end up looking looking like "JavaScript without curly braces", which implies the question, "why not have just adopted JavaScriptNode.js in the first place?"

Please explain all of this, and I hope it makes sense to you what she is saying.

She is really interested in NVDA being a programmer herself.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISH memo

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

For the record. I got the PDF from a reputivble news source the Washing Times. Not the Post THE TIMES. I’m done. I’m off this forever. I’m starting my own NVDA list without an ass for an owner/mod. Don’t plan on banning me. I’ll see myself out shortly. Goodbye and as always viva la NV Access and NVDA!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISH memo

 

I just did a Google search and you can use whatever search engine you want.  I searched for

full text of Republican FBI memo.  You can search for whatever phrase you want.  This was the first or second result.

You will see a link at the end of the short article to a pdf version and a text version.  You don't just have to limit yourself to whatever you are sent in a newsletter on a topic like this that receives the publicity that this story does.  Search for the item yourself if the link iis unsatisfactory.

 

Gene

 

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 7:38 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISH memo

 

If this is an image, then there may be a sight that can translate it for you.  But it's unnecessary.  Search with whatever search engine you want and see if you find a PDF with text.  It is very unusual for these sorts of documents, released as news items not to be available as PDF documents containing text that you can download and read in Adobe reader or whatever you use that does so. 

 

Also, I am telling you that I don't appreciate your ill temper, rudeness and arrogance.  It is arrogant and condescending to tell someone that has gone through the trouble to provide a link, to try again.  If you don't think the site is credible you can say that and say, I'd appreciate it if you find me another link or say something like, for that reason, would you please find me another link.  And there is no excuse for swearing on the list.  I don't particularly care myself, but the list has all sorts of members and some people may find it offensive.  

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 7:11 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Um no damn it! I don’t need bloody advice on how to search the Internet! All I want is someone to make this PDF which is an image readable in a format all blind folks can read! How damn hard is that for you to understand sir! I shouldn’t have to search every damn site to just point me to an inaccisible image!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

If it says the full pdf version then it's very likely the full PDF version.  Even so-called liberal hack web sites, as you intolerantly call them, aren't stupid.  they won't damage their credibility by doing something so stupid as to show something that is available all over the net from other sources, claim it is the full version, and then change or omit information.  Unlike many people, I consciously try not to live in an echo chamber.  I listen to some opinions I disagree with and I don't assume dishonesty or bad intent.  At times I find something I agree with and at times, I understand something better. 

 

If you don't want to read the PDF from that liberal hack web site, then do a Google search for what you are looking for.  I realize that there are people who don't know how to do good Internet searches.  I'd be willing to help you learn how if you don't.  But I'm not going to do it for you.  That isn't helping you.  That's doing something for you and not teaching you how to find things the next time.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully *accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart people on this list who can make that happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

 

 

 


Re: Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Rayn Darren <rayndarren@...>
 

Awesome, thanks so much!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 5:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Here is it:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/AudioThemes3D.en.html


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 02:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Never heard of it, but I don't use addons. Where can I get it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I am prety sure that this can be implemented in the addon Audiotheme 3d.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 00:30
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I totally agree, this is a fantastic idea for an addon! An addition would be a sound when encountering an open bracket, if in fact there is a closing one the sound would be different then a non-paired bracket. I know nothing about python and have worked very little with sound, but would love to both learn and help with this, how do we go about getting it made?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hi,
NVDA itself can't do this.
Having said that, in my opinion, that is a pretty darn cool idea for an addon. Replacing symbols, letters, or even whole words/strings with sound effects.
I know JAWS has, or at least used to have, a feature like that. I had tons of fun with it. Never thought it could come into practical use though. But yeah. Certainly as a developer, trying to find stray or missing braces, brackets, parentheses, quotes, improperly escaped characters etc is very tricky, and either involves arrowing through character by character, or sit there and listen to it read the whole line including punctuation, which gets rather tedious rather quickly.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Adriani Botez
 

Here is it:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/AudioThemes3D.en.html


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 02:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Never heard of it, but I don't use addons. Where can I get it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I am prety sure that this can be implemented in the addon Audiotheme 3d.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 00:30
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I totally agree, this is a fantastic idea for an addon! An addition would be a sound when encountering an open bracket, if in fact there is a closing one the sound would be different then a non-paired bracket. I know nothing about python and have worked very little with sound, but would love to both learn and help with this, how do we go about getting it made?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hi,
NVDA itself can't do this.
Having said that, in my opinion, that is a pretty darn cool idea for an addon. Replacing symbols, letters, or even whole words/strings with sound effects.
I know JAWS has, or at least used to have, a feature like that. I had tons of fun with it. Never thought it could come into practical use though. But yeah. Certainly as a developer, trying to find stray or missing braces, brackets, parentheses, quotes, improperly escaped characters etc is very tricky, and either involves arrowing through character by character, or sit there and listen to it read the whole line including punctuation, which gets rather tedious rather quickly.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Rayn Darren <rayndarren@...>
 

Never heard of it, but I don't use addons. Where can I get it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I am prety sure that this can be implemented in the addon Audiotheme 3d.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 00:30
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I totally agree, this is a fantastic idea for an addon! An addition would be a sound when encountering an open bracket, if in fact there is a closing one the sound would be different then a non-paired bracket. I know nothing about python and have worked very little with sound, but would love to both learn and help with this, how do we go about getting it made?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hi,
NVDA itself can't do this.
Having said that, in my opinion, that is a pretty darn cool idea for an addon. Replacing symbols, letters, or even whole words/strings with sound effects.
I know JAWS has, or at least used to have, a feature like that. I had tons of fun with it. Never thought it could come into practical use though. But yeah. Certainly as a developer, trying to find stray or missing braces, brackets, parentheses, quotes, improperly escaped characters etc is very tricky, and either involves arrowing through character by character, or sit there and listen to it read the whole line including punctuation, which gets rather tedious rather quickly.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Need urgent help with the FISH memo

Gene
 

I just did a Google search and you can use whatever search engine you want.  I searched for
full text of Republican FBI memo.  You can search for whatever phrase you want.  This was the first or second result.
You will see a link at the end of the short article to a pdf version and a text version.  You don't just have to limit yourself to whatever you are sent in a newsletter on a topic like this that receives the publicity that this story does.  Search for the item yourself if the link iis unsatisfactory.
 
Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISH memo

If this is an image, then there may be a sight that can translate it for you.  But it's unnecessary.  Search with whatever search engine you want and see if you find a PDF with text.  It is very unusual for these sorts of documents, released as news items not to be available as PDF documents containing text that you can download and read in Adobe reader or whatever you use that does so. 
 
Also, I am telling you that I don't appreciate your ill temper, rudeness and arrogance.  It is arrogant and condescending to tell someone that has gone through the trouble to provide a link, to try again.  If you don't think the site is credible you can say that and say, I'd appreciate it if you find me another link or say something like, for that reason, would you please find me another link.  And there is no excuse for swearing on the list.  I don't particularly care myself, but the list has all sorts of members and some people may find it offensive.  
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Um no damn it! I don’t need bloody advice on how to search the Internet! All I want is someone to make this PDF which is an image readable in a format all blind folks can read! How damn hard is that for you to understand sir! I shouldn’t have to search every damn site to just point me to an inaccisible image!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

If it says the full pdf version then it's very likely the full PDF version.  Even so-called liberal hack web sites, as you intolerantly call them, aren't stupid.  they won't damage their credibility by doing something so stupid as to show something that is available all over the net from other sources, claim it is the full version, and then change or omit information.  Unlike many people, I consciously try not to live in an echo chamber.  I listen to some opinions I disagree with and I don't assume dishonesty or bad intent.  At times I find something I agree with and at times, I understand something better. 

 

If you don't want to read the PDF from that liberal hack web site, then do a Google search for what you are looking for.  I realize that there are people who don't know how to do good Internet searches.  I'd be willing to help you learn how if you don't.  But I'm not going to do it for you.  That isn't helping you.  That's doing something for you and not teaching you how to find things the next time.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully *accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart people on this list who can make that happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

 

 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISH memo

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Well I’ll keep trying. I’ve got all the time in the world. Ive been on at least 5 or 6 websites and they point me to the same PDF doc which is an image. It’s a sahem or shadow Government can’t provide a declassified doc in text or otherwise.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISH memo

 

If this is an image, then there may be a sight that can translate it for you.  But it's unnecessary.  Search with whatever search engine you want and see if you find a PDF with text.  It is very unusual for these sorts of documents, released as news items not to be available as PDF documents containing text that you can download and read in Adobe reader or whatever you use that does so. 

 

Also, I am telling you that I don't appreciate your ill temper, rudeness and arrogance.  It is arrogant and condescending to tell someone that has gone through the trouble to provide a link, to try again.  If you don't think the site is credible you can say that and say, I'd appreciate it if you find me another link or say something like, for that reason, would you please find me another link.  And there is no excuse for swearing on the list.  I don't particularly care myself, but the list has all sorts of members and some people may find it offensive.  

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 7:11 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Um no damn it! I don’t need bloody advice on how to search the Internet! All I want is someone to make this PDF which is an image readable in a format all blind folks can read! How damn hard is that for you to understand sir! I shouldn’t have to search every damn site to just point me to an inaccisible image!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

If it says the full pdf version then it's very likely the full PDF version.  Even so-called liberal hack web sites, as you intolerantly call them, aren't stupid.  they won't damage their credibility by doing something so stupid as to show something that is available all over the net from other sources, claim it is the full version, and then change or omit information.  Unlike many people, I consciously try not to live in an echo chamber.  I listen to some opinions I disagree with and I don't assume dishonesty or bad intent.  At times I find something I agree with and at times, I understand something better. 

 

If you don't want to read the PDF from that liberal hack web site, then do a Google search for what you are looking for.  I realize that there are people who don't know how to do good Internet searches.  I'd be willing to help you learn how if you don't.  But I'm not going to do it for you.  That isn't helping you.  That's doing something for you and not teaching you how to find things the next time.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully *accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart people on this list who can make that happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

 

 

 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

John Isige
 

Dunno what to tell you dude. It's the full text of the memo, so far as I
know. I've seen it on a few sites, and that's what it says. If you
really want a pdf because you think that means nobody's tampered with
it, then you're going to have to OCR images anyway, because if the pdf
has accessible text, well who's to say that text wasn't tampered with?
I'm gonna guess the memo was written on paper originally, and not in
some sort of electronic format,so you're still trusting whoever converts
it. If you can't be bothered to do your own searches and are just going
to complain about help, well, good luck with that friend. Plus, didn't
you say you saw the first page? Surely it's simple enough to compare
that with the accessible text I provided from the "hack liberal
website", and see if there are any alterations. I'm sorry dude, you
asked for totally accessible memo you can read, and that's exactly what
I gave you. It's not my problem you're throwing a fit about it. Do your
own homework then.

On 2/2/2018 18:39, Lino Morales wrote:

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully
*accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart
people on this list who can make that happen.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
*Sent: *Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:

I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
Any help? Thanks.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10



Re: Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

Jason White
 

Another interesting question, for those parts that require high performance, is whether following Mozilla’s lead and writing them in Rust would be useful – possibly not, as I suspect NVDA has to interact with a lot of C++ components from elsewhere.

 

Rust offers various guarantees of proper memory usage (e.g., you can’t use memory after it has been freed) without resulting in performance costs, and reputedly simplifies multithreaded programming.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Thanks a lot, Joseph!

Very much appreciate it. Please get some rest.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi,

Important note: this will be my last post on this forum for a while, as I’m desperate to take a break from everything NVDA for a while (except for translations). Besides that:

If I understand her argument, your friend prefers the core functions of NVDA to be written in C++, and let others build things on top via Python and other languages. This is called “language binding”, and this is precisely how wxPython is written: C++ core with python bindings.

In case of NVDA, yes, the primary language in use is Python, but some parts (notably features that require speed) are written in C++. It is arranged that way because Python allows rapid development, but the cost, as she points out, is long-term viability in terms of maintenance.

As for upgrading to Python 3: we’re getting there. A crucial dependency has just been satisfied, so it’ll be matter of time before the upgrade can commence.

As for your friend: please have her email me with any questions, as well as have her CC info@... for further details. Or you can ask your friend to join nvda-devel mailing list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi all,

I was talking to a friend on Facebook. She is a programmer. This went over my head. We were talking about python and NVDA. I will put right below what she said, so you can comment on it, because this is so over my head! She really wants to get involved with the NVDA project.

Here is what she said.

I am a fan of Python as a primary language for a system.  Something like NVDA should have a C++ core with language-of-choice wrappers.  Python is having trouble evolving without completely changing the language, which leaves the risk of building a future of dead, legacy libraries quite high.  It reminds me of what happened to FORTRAN.  Moreover, Python is joy well suited to continually running, closed loops services like NVDA would be.

that said, upgrading to Python 3 is a helpful step that MUST be done.  It is unfortunate that Python was the initial language of choice because this will have to be done again in the coming years.  By the time all is said and done, Python will end up looking looking like "JavaScript without curly braces", which implies the question, "why not have just adopted JavaScriptNode.js in the first place?"

Please explain all of this, and I hope it makes sense to you what she is saying.

She is really interested in NVDA being a programmer herself.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISH memo

Gene
 

If this is an image, then there may be a sight that can translate it for you.  But it's unnecessary.  Search with whatever search engine you want and see if you find a PDF with text.  It is very unusual for these sorts of documents, released as news items not to be available as PDF documents containing text that you can download and read in Adobe reader or whatever you use that does so. 
 
Also, I am telling you that I don't appreciate your ill temper, rudeness and arrogance.  It is arrogant and condescending to tell someone that has gone through the trouble to provide a link, to try again.  If you don't think the site is credible you can say that and say, I'd appreciate it if you find me another link or say something like, for that reason, would you please find me another link.  And there is no excuse for swearing on the list.  I don't particularly care myself, but the list has all sorts of members and some people may find it offensive.  
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Um no damn it! I don’t need bloody advice on how to search the Internet! All I want is someone to make this PDF which is an image readable in a format all blind folks can read! How damn hard is that for you to understand sir! I shouldn’t have to search every damn site to just point me to an inaccisible image!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

If it says the full pdf version then it's very likely the full PDF version.  Even so-called liberal hack web sites, as you intolerantly call them, aren't stupid.  they won't damage their credibility by doing something so stupid as to show something that is available all over the net from other sources, claim it is the full version, and then change or omit information.  Unlike many people, I consciously try not to live in an echo chamber.  I listen to some opinions I disagree with and I don't assume dishonesty or bad intent.  At times I find something I agree with and at times, I understand something better. 

 

If you don't want to read the PDF from that liberal hack web site, then do a Google search for what you are looking for.  I realize that there are people who don't know how to do good Internet searches.  I'd be willing to help you learn how if you don't.  But I'm not going to do it for you.  That isn't helping you.  That's doing something for you and not teaching you how to find things the next time.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully *accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart people on this list who can make that happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

 

 


Re: Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

David Moore
 

Thanks a lot, Joseph!

Very much appreciate it. Please get some rest.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi,

Important note: this will be my last post on this forum for a while, as I’m desperate to take a break from everything NVDA for a while (except for translations). Besides that:

If I understand her argument, your friend prefers the core functions of NVDA to be written in C++, and let others build things on top via Python and other languages. This is called “language binding”, and this is precisely how wxPython is written: C++ core with python bindings.

In case of NVDA, yes, the primary language in use is Python, but some parts (notably features that require speed) are written in C++. It is arranged that way because Python allows rapid development, but the cost, as she points out, is long-term viability in terms of maintenance.

As for upgrading to Python 3: we’re getting there. A crucial dependency has just been satisfied, so it’ll be matter of time before the upgrade can commence.

As for your friend: please have her email me with any questions, as well as have her CC info@... for further details. Or you can ask your friend to join nvda-devel mailing list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please explain this info I got about NVDA!

 

Hi all,

I was talking to a friend on Facebook. She is a programmer. This went over my head. We were talking about python and NVDA. I will put right below what she said, so you can comment on it, because this is so over my head! She really wants to get involved with the NVDA project.

Here is what she said.

I am a fan of Python as a primary language for a system.  Something like NVDA should have a C++ core with language-of-choice wrappers.  Python is having trouble evolving without completely changing the language, which leaves the risk of building a future of dead, legacy libraries quite high.  It reminds me of what happened to FORTRAN.  Moreover, Python is joy well suited to continually running, closed loops services like NVDA would be.

that said, upgrading to Python 3 is a helpful step that MUST be done.  It is unfortunate that Python was the initial language of choice because this will have to be done again in the coming years.  By the time all is said and done, Python will end up looking looking like "JavaScript without curly braces", which implies the question, "why not have just adopted JavaScriptNode.js in the first place?"

Please explain all of this, and I hope it makes sense to you what she is saying.

She is really interested in NVDA being a programmer herself.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Adriani Botez
 

I am prety sure that this can be implemented in the addon Audiotheme 3d.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Rayn Darren
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 00:30
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I totally agree, this is a fantastic idea for an addon! An addition would be a sound when encountering an open bracket, if in fact there is a closing one the sound would be different then a non-paired bracket. I know nothing about python and have worked very little with sound, but would love to both learn and help with this, how do we go about getting it made?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hi,
NVDA itself can't do this.
Having said that, in my opinion, that is a pretty darn cool idea for an addon. Replacing symbols, letters, or even whole words/strings with sound effects.
I know JAWS has, or at least used to have, a feature like that. I had tons of fun with it. Never thought it could come into practical use though. But yeah. Certainly as a developer, trying to find stray or missing braces, brackets, parentheses, quotes, improperly escaped characters etc is very tricky, and either involves arrowing through character by character, or sit there and listen to it read the whole line including punctuation, which gets rather tedious rather quickly.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Um no damn it! I don’t need bloody advice on how to search the Internet! All I want is someone to make this PDF which is an image readable in a format all blind folks can read! How damn hard is that for you to understand sir! I shouldn’t have to search every damn site to just point me to an inaccisible image!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

If it says the full pdf version then it's very likely the full PDF version.  Even so-called liberal hack web sites, as you intolerantly call them, aren't stupid.  they won't damage their credibility by doing something so stupid as to show something that is available all over the net from other sources, claim it is the full version, and then change or omit information.  Unlike many people, I consciously try not to live in an echo chamber.  I listen to some opinions I disagree with and I don't assume dishonesty or bad intent.  At times I find something I agree with and at times, I understand something better. 

 

If you don't want to read the PDF from that liberal hack web site, then do a Google search for what you are looking for.  I realize that there are people who don't know how to do good Internet searches.  I'd be willing to help you learn how if you don't.  But I'm not going to do it for you.  That isn't helping you.  That's doing something for you and not teaching you how to find things the next time.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully *accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart people on this list who can make that happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

 

 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Gene
 

Then you'll have to suffer the consequences of your arbitrariness.  I almost never make such comments but telling someone to try again after they provide you a perfectly good link in the way you did,  the tone of the way you did it is demanding and errogant.  Try yourself.  And if you refuse to use Google, what's Google going to do, bite you?  you don't even need an account.  Just search for what you are looking for and don't use Google for general searches if you don't want to.  But I told you the way to see pdf documents in web readable versions.  If you don't want to use the tools available to make things accessible, I'm sorry but that's your problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Sorry man, but I don’t use Google. Duck Duck Go.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

The full text of such a release will be available all over.  Do a google search for what you are looking for.  If you can't easily find a nonPDF version, then use the Google results to have it shown as html in your browser.  Most Google results have something under the result.  First, there is the address the result leads to.  then if you are blocking scripts or have them disabled, you will see a cached link.  Folow it to see the browser readable version. 

 

If you are not blocking scripts and they are not disabled, you will see something that may vary depending on which browser you are using.  It may be a button.  Whatever it is, activate it.  Look at what you see after doing so by down arrowing and up arrowing, if necessary.  You will find something you can activate that says cached.  This will show the browser readable conversion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>



 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Gene
 

If it says the full pdf version then it's very likely the full PDF version.  Even so-called liberal hack web sites, as you intolerantly call them, aren't stupid.  they won't damage their credibility by doing something so stupid as to show something that is available all over the net from other sources, claim it is the full version, and then change or omit information.  Unlike many people, I consciously try not to live in an echo chamber.  I listen to some opinions I disagree with and I don't assume dishonesty or bad intent.  At times I find something I agree with and at times, I understand something better. 
 
If you don't want to read the PDF from that liberal hack web site, then do a Google search for what you are looking for.  I realize that there are people who don't know how to do good Internet searches.  I'd be willing to help you learn how if you don't.  But I'm not going to do it for you.  That isn't helping you.  That's doing something for you and not teaching you how to find things the next time.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

That’s a Liberal hack website sir. Try again. I want a *fully *accessible *PDF! No strings attached. I iknow that their some smart people on this list who can make that happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>


 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Sorry man, but I don’t use Google. Duck Duck Go.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

The full text of such a release will be available all over.  Do a google search for what you are looking for.  If you can't easily find a nonPDF version, then use the Google results to have it shown as html in your browser.  Most Google results have something under the result.  First, there is the address the result leads to.  then if you are blocking scripts or have them disabled, you will see a cached link.  Folow it to see the browser readable version. 

 

If you are not blocking scripts and they are not disabled, you will see something that may vary depending on which browser you are using.  It may be a button.  Whatever it is, activate it.  Look at what you see after doing so by down arrowing and up arrowing, if necessary.  You will find something you can activate that says cached.  This will show the browser readable conversion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

 

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>



 


Re: Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Gene
 

The full text of such a release will be available all over.  Do a google search for what you are looking for.  If you can't easily find a nonPDF version, then use the Google results to have it shown as html in your browser.  Most Google results have something under the result.  First, there is the address the result leads to.  then if you are blocking scripts or have them disabled, you will see a cached link.  Folow it to see the browser readable version. 
 
If you are not blocking scripts and they are not disabled, you will see something that may vary depending on which browser you are using.  It may be a button.  Whatever it is, activate it.  Look at what you see after doing so by down arrowing and up arrowing, if necessary.  You will find something you can activate that says cached.  This will show the browser readable conversion.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need urgent help with the FISA memo

Google. It's your buddy. Be prepared to be disappointed though.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/2/16957588/nunes-memo-released-full-text-read-pdf-declassified


On 2/2/2018 16:37, Lino Morales wrote:
>
> I can’t read the image with Adobe Reader DC. I used NVDA key plus R.
> How can I read the entire doc? I want to read this extremely badly.
> Any help? Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>