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Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Felix G.
 

I actually got my first installation of Chrome from installing CCleaner, and then I thought, since it's there now, might as well have a look at it. That was the only time I installed something by accident and then actually kept it around because I liked it.

Gene <gsasner@...> schrieb am Di., 6. Feb. 2018 um 02:03 Uhr:

Avast shouldn't be installed and run if you are already using another antivirus program.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

Well avast you don't want, google toolbar you probably don't want.

But chrome, to be honest when does stuff become unwanted if you use it.

Like for example if you use avast, and or chrome, if it was bundled, its
1 less thing to load.

Avast and chrome are not the issue, its all this opencandy stuff.

Windows defender is supposed next month to be able to be more aggressive
with scareware etc which sadly seems to be more false positives nad
probably more targeting of the disabled, for games and other programs.




On 6/02/2018 11:57 a.m., Arlene wrote:
> I should say the unwanted stuff like google chrome or other stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Cussick via Groups.Io
> Sent: February-05-18 2:46 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>
> sorry no.
>
> On 05/02/2018 21:44, Arlene wrote:
>> Can you get it off ninite?
>>
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *Gene
>> *Sent:* February-05-18 10:11 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>>
>> I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I
>> thought I should raise this very important point.
>>
>> CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or
>> more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause
>> people problems as well.
>>
>> Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use
>> either the portable version or the version that is called something
>> like the slim version.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Moti Azrad
 

Chris,

 

I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.

 

Thanks much again.

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess

 

 

 

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

 

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.

> How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before.  I

> didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you

> where to find it, as to how to reregister them.  It's a simple

> procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Moty Azrad

> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN

> WINDOWS10

> Dear all,

> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

> Jaws 2018 works very well.

> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

> My question:

> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work

> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook

> 2010 Etc.

> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.

> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

> Moti

 

 

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in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

 

 

 

 

 

 


Advice for using the dictionary in CodeFactory

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
I thought I'd post this in case it might help someone.
When changing words in Vocalizer Expressive or Eloquence for CodeFactory, it would be best to use the speach dictionary built into NVDA as apposed to the dictionary CodeFactory provides.
The reason for this is two fold.
1. If you need to remove the addon for anyreason, you will lose any words you have added to CodeFactory's dictionary. You can export a copy, but if you make the changes in NVDA's speach dictionary, you don't have to worry.
2. CodeFactory's dictionary does not change the plural of the word only the singular.
For example, if you have read the Harry Potter books, the vocalizer UK voices pronounce Weasley as Weesly and the plural as Wealyes. If you correct this using CodeFactories dictionary, it will only correct the singular pronunciation not the plural. However, if you correct the word using NVDA's speach dictionary it adjusts the singular and the plural.
I hope this helps someone.
Chris


Re: Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

Gene
 

You can try using the object navigator commands and you can use the route and click mouse command.  If you don't know how to do these things, you can see explanations in Joseph Lee's NVDA tutorial, a very highly thought of work. 
 
I won't go into how to do these things in this message because I don't know what you know and how to use the object navigator can't practicablly be taught in an e-mail message. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

Hi all,

I use Outlook 2013 at work on Windows 10.  If I connect to my work e-mail
from a network other than my work network, I am asked for a password. This
window comes up as a separate window on the computer. If I switch focus to
that window using alt+tab, NVDA tells me that it is not responding. I am
unable to enter any text in it but I can read the window title using nvda
key + t.

If someone clicks with the mouse to get focus to that window, I am able to
enter my password.

Has anyone else encountered this? I am using NVDA 2017.4.

Pranav




Re: NVDA question

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kerryn,

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.


With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
thanks
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have.  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>











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NVDA question

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
thanks

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have.  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>









Re: Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

Jacob Kruger
 

Hi Pranav,


Something to try may be to switch to window using alt + tab, route mouse cursor there using NVDA + numpad /, and then use just numpad / to carry out a mouse click yourself?


Alternatively, you could use golden cursor add-on to set a standard mouse location that requires being clicked on at a later stage?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2/6/2018 2:47 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

I use Outlook 2013 at work on Windows 10. If I connect to my work e-mail
from a network other than my work network, I am asked for a password. This
window comes up as a separate window on the computer. If I switch focus to
that window using alt+tab, NVDA tells me that it is not responding. I am
unable to enter any text in it but I can read the window title using nvda
key + t.

If someone clicks with the mouse to get focus to that window, I am able to
enter my password.

Has anyone else encountered this? I am using NVDA 2017.4.

Pranav





Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Gene
 

Avast shouldn't be installed and run if you are already using another antivirus program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

Well avast you don't want, google toolbar you probably don't want.

But chrome, to be honest when does stuff become unwanted if you use it.

Like for example if you use avast, and or chrome, if it was bundled, its
1 less thing to load.

Avast and chrome are not the issue, its all this opencandy stuff.

Windows defender is supposed next month to be able to be more aggressive
with scareware etc which sadly seems to be more false positives nad
probably more targeting of the disabled, for games and other programs.




On 6/02/2018 11:57 a.m., Arlene wrote:
> I should say the unwanted stuff like google chrome or other stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Cussick via Groups.Io
> Sent: February-05-18 2:46 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>
> sorry no.
>
> On 05/02/2018 21:44, Arlene wrote:
>> Can you get it off ninite?
>>
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *Gene
>> *Sent:* February-05-18 10:11 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>>
>> I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I
>> thought I should raise this very important point.
>>
>> CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or
>> more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause
>> people problems as well.
>>
>> Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use
>> either the portable version or the version that is called something
>> like the slim version.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

I use Outlook 2013 at work on Windows 10. If I connect to my work e-mail
from a network other than my work network, I am asked for a password. This
window comes up as a separate window on the computer. If I switch focus to
that window using alt+tab, NVDA tells me that it is not responding. I am
unable to enter any text in it but I can read the window title using nvda
key + t.

If someone clicks with the mouse to get focus to that window, I am able to
enter my password.

Has anyone else encountered this? I am using NVDA 2017.4.

Pranav


Re: CCleaner and NVDA

chris miles
 

On 05/02/2018 18:04, Steve Nomer wrote:
Great. Thanks so much, and I'll go get a copy!


Steve


On 2/5/2018 12:01 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I use it at least once a month to clean unnecessary junk files off my computer.  Seems to be pretty accessible.


Roger






On 2/5/2018 11:22 AM, Steve Nomer wrote:
Has anyone had experience using CCleaner with NVDA?


Thanks,


Steve













Hi,


When installing C Cleaner uncheck the box so that Evast antivirus does not install with C Cleaner.


Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

 

Well avast you don't want, google toolbar you probably don't want.

But chrome, to be honest when does stuff become unwanted if you use it.

Like for example if you use avast, and or chrome, if it was bundled, its 1 less thing to load.

Avast and chrome are not the issue, its all this opencandy stuff.

Windows defender is supposed next month to be able to be more aggressive with scareware etc which sadly seems to be more false positives nad probably more targeting of the disabled, for games and other programs.

On 6/02/2018 11:57 a.m., Arlene wrote:
I should say the unwanted stuff like google chrome or other stuff.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: February-05-18 2:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

sorry no.

On 05/02/2018 21:44, Arlene wrote:
Can you get it off ninite?

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* February-05-18 10:11 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I
thought I should raise this very important point.

CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or
more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause
people problems as well.

Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use
either the portable version or the version that is called something
like the slim version.

Gene




.


Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Cristóbal
 

It used to be on Ninite many moons ago, but was removed at the request of the developer if memory serves. They wanted people to go to their actual site to download.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 2:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

 

I've never heard of anyone getting it from Ninite.  That aside, you have to know how to protect yourself when downloading and installing free software.  You have to check the web page carefully for check boxes to refuse additional programs.  You have to look, using object navigation when installing a program and even that may not work.  You should be using unchecky, a utility you install and then just let it sit there, looking for bundled software.  It can't block everything but it blocks a lot and it may save you from downloading additional programs.

 

I can't say this is generally true but I wouldn't be surprised if it is.  If a site offers a portable version of a program. that program may not have any additional programs bundled with it.  By definition, a portable program makes no changes to your system.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

 

Can you get it off ninite?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February-05-18 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

 

I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I thought I should raise this very important point.

CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause people problems as well.

 

Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use either the portable version or the version that is called something like the slim version. 

 

Gene 


Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Well optimising your ssd is supposed to shorten its life.

I have not noticed dammage while cleaning things to anything but google some of the chrome extentions can get dammaged.

I clear my restores every 6 months.

You shouldn't need to clean things every month.

I run ccleaner each session and at the end of the day to clear any potential nastys out of my temp locations.

I get a lot of malware in my temp locations which I don't care much if someone gets in there as I am always clearing that out of my temp locations.

As for disk cleanup every 6 munths or so.

Most of it is small fry, temp locations, and a few other things.

The biggest waste of space are old windows updates and logs.

If you ever clear windows defender its going to say your system is not secure and prompt you to scan till you do because its got nothing to show its been activated or anything so I don't clear this.

As for restore points, I clear points every so often,  I do clear all points before a major windows update and make another.

What I wish was for ms to clear all recovery partitons which were not the current windows update, yeah I know I can do this via partid but I'd like a guid thing or an automated things to clear out well partitions and resize things accordingly which are not manufacturer or the latest windows upgrade partition.

To be honest I don't know why ms doesn't do it itself when upgrading why leave a lot of non functional 500mb partitions at all.

On 6/02/2018 1:07 a.m., Moty Azrad wrote:
Dear all,


I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

Jaws 2018 works very well.

Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

My question:

Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook 2010 Etc.

I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.


Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

Moti


Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Gene
 

If you have trouble finding something, and even if you don't, doing a Google search is often the easiest way to find something.  Search for ninite portable.  In the results, check the address under the link to the page to check if the link is legitimate.  In this case, use the link that leads to a page on the developers site.  For other programs, you may get a link to old apps or portable apps.  I think both sites are com.  You may see other links and not those.  In that case, ask on a good list if the sites are reputable or look up the sites on google.  You can search for something like is X site reliable or is x site safe or x sitename review.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

No, CCleaner doesn't appear to me on Ninite.  I don't know how to find a portable version. When I check for CCleaner on the site it takes me to for updating, I just get a few choices and there isn't any portable or slim version offered there. 

Roger









On 2/5/2018 3:44 PM, Arlene wrote:

Can you get it off ninite?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February-05-18 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

 

I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I thought I should raise this very important point.

CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause people problems as well.

 

Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use either the portable version or the version that is called something like the slim version. 

 

Gene 



Re: say copy selected text

Gene
 

It has no way except in applications that use browse mode.
 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy selected text

From what I know, nvda has a way to announce what has been copied to the clipboard.  If it is aware of this, then it could be made to say that something has been copied.  Whether or not it knows when something has been copied from the clipboard is another thing and I don't know if nvda is aware of this or not.  If it is, then making this a part of nvda core shouldn't be too hard to do.

Roger









On 2/5/2018 3:56 PM, Arlene wrote:

No kidding.  Yes there are other addins that you can take as your choice. But the say copy, cut and paste should be there just like all the other screen readers.  I like how you can get the addins as you like. But the cut, copy and paste should be there.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: February-05-18 7:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy selected text

 

I agree if Jaws and other screen readers can properly do this so should NVDA

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 7:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy selected text

 

This message is long but it states and explains in detail why copy and paste is an important feature, and even more so with the poorly designed, paternalistic, read contents of clipboard feature available now. 

 

Where else do you find it very slow and buggy?  From my use, it isn't very slow and buggy much of the time.  I found one program, free video converter, where it prevents pasting of an address into the program.  It says pasted but the address is still the last one you used when not using the plugin.  You said it had problems in Word.  I don't have Word.  But in Notepad and Wordpad, using XP, there are no problems.  There are no problems copying and pasting in My Computer's folders and files list, nor in Windows Explorer.  When copying files to the clipboard, it is slow in reporting that something is copied.  But I'd rather have a delay, I'm not sure how long yours willl be.  I'm using an old slow machine and on mine, the delay may be a second or one and one half seconds.  Well worth it when compared with this possibility.  You aren't using the add on.  You copied and pasted a lot of files or even five or six from place to place.  You go to copy and paste more files to the same or a different location.  Since you aren't using the plugin, you get no indication about whether files have been copied to the clipboard or pasted.  You find, to your considerable annoyance, after pasting, that you have pasted the previous files to another location or that you now have duplicates of every file you previously pasted because copy didn't work even though you used the correct command and entered it correctly as far as keyboard technique is concerned.  You now have to delete the files from where they have just been copied, tgo back, copy the files you do want again, and then paste again.  If you are using clipspeak, this won't happen. 

 

As I said, this is an important feature.  People try to fob this off by saying, you can check what you have copied to the clipboard by using the speak contents of clipboard command, available in NVDA.  That's fine for small amounts of text.  But the clipboard feature wants to be smarter than you are.  It is designed not to speak larger amounts of ttext, only telling the number of characters.  Great design!  What if I want to copy a large amount of text and I just copied another large amount of text and pasted it previously.  How is knowing the number of characters going to help if it's one thousand three hundred characters the previous time and one thousand one hundred twenty characters the second time?  Yes, if you make a point of remembering the previous number you'll know if copying occurred.  But who should have to do this?  This is 2017.  This is the equivalent of a crank starter on a model T Ford.  And, though very unlikely, the number of characters might be the same or differ only by a few numbers such as one thousand two hundred fifty five and one thousand two hundred fifty two.  Or it may be more, two thousand three hundred twenty five.  Unless you really make an effort to remember the first number, you may not realize that the second number is different or you may not be sure.  In addition, when you copy files or folders to the clipboard, you are told something like no text on clipboard.  That's really helpful in teling you what files /and or folders you have pasted. 

 

If these levels of disfunction and poor design are acceptable in this feature, then why isn't a certain amount of inaccuracy acceptable in copying and pasting?  And I see no evidence that such is necessary based on past experience with JAWS and System Access to go. 

 

In short, the read contents of clipboard should be redesigned and should read everything that's there.  Programmers should not assume what is best for the user in a case like this.  It's paternalistic.  All the reader has to do to stop reading is press control, as in all other cases where speech is occurring.  As I recall, the excuse for not having the feature work that way is that the reader probably won't want to hear extended text.  Fine.  So let the reader press control. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 3:53 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy selected text

 

Yes, I did wonder though many years ago  Dolphin had this in its novice mode
and it seemed to actually be reliable in what it said, but of course I never
did actually do exhaustive tests.

Besides, in those days most screenreaders used display chain drivers and it
may well be that it could be detected by some subtle change in the screen
content.
 The clipspeak is very slow and buggy, sadly though in most cases it does
work. Fails in Goldwave and creates spurious memory errors in some versions
of word.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy selected text


> The reason it isn't built in is precisely what you just said - when it was
> first being looked at, we couldn't actually know whether text had been
> cut,
> copied or pasted etc.  All we could do was detect that control+c had been
> pressed and know that is GENERALLY used for copy.  We didn't want to tell
> the user something had been copied when it hadn't, so instead there is the
> "Speak command keys" option (NVDA+4 or via the NVDA keyboard preferences
> NVDA+control+k) which will read CONTROL+C in that instance.
>
> The SpeakClip add-on does read the command - cut, copy, paste, select all
> etc.  It does make an effort to report this intelligently.  I recall a
> conversation with someone recently who said it is now more possible to
> accurately tell what has happened (text has been cut, a file has been
> copied, etc).  If that is the case, then it potentially could be
> considered
> to be built in.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 7:59 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
> bglists@...> wrote:
>
>> Been here before. There is a fake clipboard announcement add on but its
>> not intelligent in that its really just reading the key combinations.
>> There
>> was an intelligent one being developed but it was slow and prone to
>> malfunctions and creating memory errors in Microsoft Word so I
>> uninstalled
>> it.
>> I have always said it should be designed in as a novice mode bit of help,
>> but at the time I think it was thought too hard to make it take into
>> account all the instances and get the indication correct.
>> This is one to bring up again on the add ons list I'd imagine.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" <kleeva5@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 6:38 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] say copy selected text
>>
>>
>> How can I set NVDA to say copy selected text to the clip board and other
>> like commands when I copy, cut or paste!
>>
>> E-mail is golden!!!
>> Kevin Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
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> www.nvaccess.org
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Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Pascal Lambert
 

If you contact the company, they will email you a link.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

 

No, CCleaner doesn't appear to me on Ninite.  I don't know how to find a portable version. When I check for CCleaner on the site it takes me to for updating, I just get a few choices and there isn't any portable or slim version offered there. 

Roger









On 2/5/2018 3:44 PM, Arlene wrote:

Can you get it off ninite?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February-05-18 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

 

I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I thought I should raise this very important point.

CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause people problems as well.

 

Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use either the portable version or the version that is called something like the slim version. 

 

Gene 

 


Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Pascal Lambert
 

Yes it does. Not a 100% accessible but fairly manageable.
A very good utility.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 6:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

Does it work for win ten?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: February-05-18 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

just search for c Cleaner slim and you will find it.

On 05/02/2018 22:57, Arlene wrote:
That is too bad. Then you would not have to get all this other junk.
The Junk that you install that you may not want!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: February-05-18 2:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

sorry no.

On 05/02/2018 21:44, Arlene wrote:
Can you get it off ninite?

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* February-05-18 10:11 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I
thought I should raise this very important point.

CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or
more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause
people problems as well.

Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner. Use
either the portable version or the version that is called something
like the slim version.

Gene






Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Gene
 

You don't have to get it.  Use the portable version or the slim, or whatever it is called, version.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

That is too bad. Then you would not have to get all this other junk. The
Junk that you install that you may not want!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: February-05-18 2:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

sorry no.

On 05/02/2018 21:44, Arlene wrote:
> Can you get it off ninite?
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
> *Gene
> *Sent:* February-05-18 10:11 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>
> I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I
> thought I should raise this very important point.
>
> CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or
> more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause
> people problems as well.
>
> Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use
> either the portable version or the version that is called something
> like the slim version.
>
> Gene
>
>







Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Roger Stewart
 

No, CCleaner doesn't appear to me on Ninite.  I don't know how to find a portable version. When I check for CCleaner on the site it takes me to for updating, I just get a few choices and there isn't any portable or slim version offered there. 

Roger









On 2/5/2018 3:44 PM, Arlene wrote:

Can you get it off ninite?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February-05-18 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

 

I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I thought I should raise this very important point.

CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause people problems as well.

 

Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use either the portable version or the version that is called something like the slim version. 

 

Gene 



Re: say copy selected text

Roger Stewart
 

From what I know, nvda has a way to announce what has been copied to the clipboard.  If it is aware of this, then it could be made to say that something has been copied.  Whether or not it knows when something has been copied from the clipboard is another thing and I don't know if nvda is aware of this or not.  If it is, then making this a part of nvda core shouldn't be too hard to do.

Roger









On 2/5/2018 3:56 PM, Arlene wrote:

No kidding.  Yes there are other addins that you can take as your choice. But the say copy, cut and paste should be there just like all the other screen readers.  I like how you can get the addins as you like. But the cut, copy and paste should be there.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: February-05-18 7:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy selected text

 

I agree if Jaws and other screen readers can properly do this so should NVDA

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 7:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy selected text

 

This message is long but it states and explains in detail why copy and paste is an important feature, and even more so with the poorly designed, paternalistic, read contents of clipboard feature available now. 

 

Where else do you find it very slow and buggy?  From my use, it isn't very slow and buggy much of the time.  I found one program, free video converter, where it prevents pasting of an address into the program.  It says pasted but the address is still the last one you used when not using the plugin.  You said it had problems in Word.  I don't have Word.  But in Notepad and Wordpad, using XP, there are no problems.  There are no problems copying and pasting in My Computer's folders and files list, nor in Windows Explorer.  When copying files to the clipboard, it is slow in reporting that something is copied.  But I'd rather have a delay, I'm not sure how long yours willl be.  I'm using an old slow machine and on mine, the delay may be a second or one and one half seconds.  Well worth it when compared with this possibility.  You aren't using the add on.  You copied and pasted a lot of files or even five or six from place to place.  You go to copy and paste more files to the same or a different location.  Since you aren't using the plugin, you get no indication about whether files have been copied to the clipboard or pasted.  You find, to your considerable annoyance, after pasting, that you have pasted the previous files to another location or that you now have duplicates of every file you previously pasted because copy didn't work even though you used the correct command and entered it correctly as far as keyboard technique is concerned.  You now have to delete the files from where they have just been copied, tgo back, copy the files you do want again, and then paste again.  If you are using clipspeak, this won't happen. 

 

As I said, this is an important feature.  People try to fob this off by saying, you can check what you have copied to the clipboard by using the speak contents of clipboard command, available in NVDA.  That's fine for small amounts of text.  But the clipboard feature wants to be smarter than you are.  It is designed not to speak larger amounts of ttext, only telling the number of characters.  Great design!  What if I want to copy a large amount of text and I just copied another large amount of text and pasted it previously.  How is knowing the number of characters going to help if it's one thousand three hundred characters the previous time and one thousand one hundred twenty characters the second time?  Yes, if you make a point of remembering the previous number you'll know if copying occurred.  But who should have to do this?  This is 2017.  This is the equivalent of a crank starter on a model T Ford.  And, though very unlikely, the number of characters might be the same or differ only by a few numbers such as one thousand two hundred fifty five and one thousand two hundred fifty two.  Or it may be more, two thousand three hundred twenty five.  Unless you really make an effort to remember the first number, you may not realize that the second number is different or you may not be sure.  In addition, when you copy files or folders to the clipboard, you are told something like no text on clipboard.  That's really helpful in teling you what files /and or folders you have pasted. 

 

If these levels of disfunction and poor design are acceptable in this feature, then why isn't a certain amount of inaccuracy acceptable in copying and pasting?  And I see no evidence that such is necessary based on past experience with JAWS and System Access to go. 

 

In short, the read contents of clipboard should be redesigned and should read everything that's there.  Programmers should not assume what is best for the user in a case like this.  It's paternalistic.  All the reader has to do to stop reading is press control, as in all other cases where speech is occurring.  As I recall, the excuse for not having the feature work that way is that the reader probably won't want to hear extended text.  Fine.  So let the reader press control. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 3:53 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy selected text

 

Yes, I did wonder though many years ago  Dolphin had this in its novice mode
and it seemed to actually be reliable in what it said, but of course I never
did actually do exhaustive tests.

Besides, in those days most screenreaders used display chain drivers and it
may well be that it could be detected by some subtle change in the screen
content.
 The clipspeak is very slow and buggy, sadly though in most cases it does
work. Fails in Goldwave and creates spurious memory errors in some versions
of word.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy selected text


> The reason it isn't built in is precisely what you just said - when it was
> first being looked at, we couldn't actually know whether text had been
> cut,
> copied or pasted etc.  All we could do was detect that control+c had been
> pressed and know that is GENERALLY used for copy.  We didn't want to tell
> the user something had been copied when it hadn't, so instead there is the
> "Speak command keys" option (NVDA+4 or via the NVDA keyboard preferences
> NVDA+control+k) which will read CONTROL+C in that instance.
>
> The SpeakClip add-on does read the command - cut, copy, paste, select all
> etc.  It does make an effort to report this intelligently.  I recall a
> conversation with someone recently who said it is now more possible to
> accurately tell what has happened (text has been cut, a file has been
> copied, etc).  If that is the case, then it potentially could be
> considered
> to be built in.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 7:59 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
> bglists@...> wrote:
>
>> Been here before. There is a fake clipboard announcement add on but its
>> not intelligent in that its really just reading the key combinations.
>> There
>> was an intelligent one being developed but it was slow and prone to
>> malfunctions and creating memory errors in Microsoft Word so I
>> uninstalled
>> it.
>> I have always said it should be designed in as a novice mode bit of help,
>> but at the time I think it was thought too hard to make it take into
>> account all the instances and get the indication correct.
>> This is one to bring up again on the add ons list I'd imagine.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" <kleeva5@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 6:38 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] say copy selected text
>>
>>
>> How can I set NVDA to say copy selected text to the clip board and other
>> like commands when I copy, cut or paste!
>>
>> E-mail is golden!!!
>> Kevin Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>