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Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

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Don't worry, I get this sort of odd behaviour all the time here, including messages out of order and all sorts.
Weird, but probably explainable.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging


Brian, Kerryn and all

Brian
I saw your message about my message not being received by you. I was curious and checked the archives. It appears not to be there. I'm not sure why the message didn't get to the list. So my message last night appears to be the first time my discussion reached the list.

Kerryn
I'm sorry the message said I sent a message specifically to you. While there is nothing wrong with that, since you didn't see it, I should have just said I sent a message asking you or asking that, or something without the emphasis.

Gene


Re: Some issues

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Have you got the latest updates to both windows 10 and particularly Office 2016, as the thing about crashing seems to be very like an issue from some months ago now.
I don't know about the stopping talking but it might be advantageous if you can get it to do it predictable to get narrator running as well as nvda then induce the muting behaviour and see if narrator can see anything screen wise that is maybe giving an explanation, such as, and this is only a for instance. An error state about nvda that it is unable to recover from until a set time has passed. Perhaps a locked file has stopped the core or something like that.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Othoniel Cavanellas " <ocavanellas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 11:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Some issues


Hello,

I have been using NVDA for the past 30 days and I am experiencing problems
with Outlook 2016. If NVDA is active, whenever I switch from one mailbox to
another, Outlook crashes and is restarted. It also happens when I open
certain types of messages, normally messages with some type of image
inbedded (in this case I close NVDA and the message opens OK). I also
tested shutting down the antivirus to see if I was affecting NVDA, but the
problems persist.



Below you have my PC config:



Windows 10 PRO Portuguese version 1709 edition 16299.192

NVDA version 2017.4

MS Office 365

Trendmicro Maximum Security

Another issue is that sometimes NVDA mutes for no reason, and suddenly
restarts talking, or if I force its restart, it works again.



Can you guys help me with these problems?



Many thanks and greetings from Brazil!



Othoniel Cavanellas

Rio de Janeiro




Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

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Possibly is, but a lot of people see it as being polite. I'd rather it said thanks to xxx and xxx so and so fixed my problem or did not fix it etc, as that would advise people on where to look next time.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging


This is a rule in Netiquette and I would think that the majority of lists enforce it since such messages have no useful or additional information, just thanks.

Gene
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From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 2:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging


hey gene, this is how i run my list to, i also do not allow me to messages, or one liners.


From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

I sent a message as moderator specifically asking you not to send thank you messages. Did you see it? If you want to write someone on list and say thank you along with another message such as your messages that ask people to write you privately, that's alright. (I've seen four or perhaps more messages this evening that say nothing but thank you . This is list clutter. If you want. thank people in advance in your initial message or send one thank you message after you've seen enough replies that you think it's appropriate. But no more than one.

How many people would want to be on this or other lists if everyone who asked a question and got multiple answers sent thank you messages in response to every message they got? The list would be three fourths thank you messages and no one would want to be on it.

Gene
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From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

thanks brian
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Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

Well assuming windows 7 or later DRopbox seems to me to be faster and more intuitive in use.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kerryn Gunness via GroupsIo
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

in comparing google drive to dropbox, which one is more reliable and more accessible?

----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah k Alawami
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

I use google back up and sync. It's very accessible and works well. I also ise iDrive as well for my more important stuff.



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Well at the moment it has just stopped synchronising so I guess that answers part of the question, nice of them to give me about half an hours warning. Thanks google.
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Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 9:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Google drive nagging



I see that Google drive are nagging me to update to the back up and restore new version. I disabled updates some time ago to keep the old format as nvda would not work very well with the newer versions coming out and also they were crashing machines all over the place
Is it now safe to update as the cryptic message its putting up every so often is that its no longer supported, which could just mean its not ever going to get security updates or that they intend to stop users with the old software from accessing the system any more. I have no idea which, but a few days after Google also nagging me to not use email clients to access their accounts they do seem to be getting a bit too aggressive toward their users in my view.

Is there any other easy to use cloud storage that can run on old xp machines,which is the only real reason for using google drive at all since dropbox stopped its software running, mainly due to the fact that they started to use a newer code compiler that made code that fell over on xp.
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Re: When posts contain email addresses

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Those work in html on outlook express. I think maybe it has something to do with the way its being viewed in that case.

However it does still stand that its often easier to use the links if the quotes are not too long. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] When posts contain email addresses


We'll see if this is a general behavior. I don't recall ever seeng this problem reading mail with an e-mail program. Are you reading messages with an e-mail client or on line?

Here is a fictitious test address or two.
Bob@parsnips.com info@turnips.com

Gene
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From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 1:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] When posts contain email addresses


Hi all,

when people say we can email them by email and give the email address, why does the forum system cut everything after the @ symbol out?

For example, in Quentin's reply to Ryan Cho's question about Kindle on Windows, it says:

‘If they can recreate the issue and then get a copy of the log to send us that might help shed light on what is happening - they (or you) can email it to me at info@... and I'll have a look.’

So the email address doesn't appear in the post, nor when I right lick on it and select ‘copy email address’ does it copy the email address, only info@...

Is this something in my forum preferences, or should I spell out email addresses like nvda.user at gmail dot com?

Since this isn't related to the Kindle post I've posted it as a new thread, but this is the link to the Kindle topic in case needed: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/10299590

thanks :)

Giles


Re: suggestion for feedback

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With respect you just demonstrated
exactly what I mean about programmer vs user language.
Its hardly intuitive.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Fair points. Re searching for issues, by default GitHub will search for
open issues. If someone else has posted the same thing but it's been
considered and decided not to fix, or already fixed, or closed for some
other reason, it won't be in the first list of results. If you look back
at the edit field with what you typed when the results are shown, it will
display:

"is:issue is:open" in front of what you typed. Leave the is:issue part,
but if you remove the "is:open" part, then it will show both open and
closed issues. (alternatively you can type "is:closed" to see closed
issues, or activate the "X Closed" link where X is the number of closed
issues which match.

When you are searching, try and use words which are likely to be as
specific to your issue as possible. Just looking at the issues, there is
one called "NVDA Portable copy will not start, reports missing dll". If I
search for "NVDA won't start", I get 68 open and 179 closed. Searching for
"Missing DLL" is better, I only get 5 open and 14 closed, but if I search
for the name of the dll file, " api-ms-win-core-rtlsupport-l1-2-0.dll", I
get only one issue.



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The other problem with github which I forgot to mention is this.
When you want to find out if your issue already exists, the internal
search seems to have been designed to not see the obvious, so to speak as
almost every time I do an issue somebody piles in closed duplicate of xxxx.
I do search, but increasingly I feel I'm wasting my time, as it never seems
to spot anything other than stuff not related to my issue at all. Its kind
of like its searching for everything but what I'm talking about!
Maybe its a programmer vs user language issue, who knows.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Well I think the idea is that the one field has all the suggested
information to include. Having just one field hopefully doesn't seem as
intimidating as having a dozen fields to fill in.

But if it's not working and having a dozen smaller fields (I didn't count,
just grabbed the number out of the air) would be easier, then that's
certainly something to look at.



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However it is quite daunting and needs a lot of concentration to actually
make it work for you. I guess if you were in there all the time it would
become easier. I'm not a fan of the in field suggestions either. I'd
prefer
separate fields with supporting text like most forms are.That way one can
actually make sense of what should go where. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback




Hi Rusty,



Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue)
isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an
issue
on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would
still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a
Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue
tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several
things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be
prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions,
provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else
interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.



If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent
us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to
keep
track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular
problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.



The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house
developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute
code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central
repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a
particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that
isn't
a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be
something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like
to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster,
but
I don't necessarily know who might be interested.



So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea?
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a
fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
and speech comes back.

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Re: Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

Gene
 

There is a bug somewhere, I think in Outlook 16 that, when you use control y, craches the program.  I don't use Outlook.  Try using both control shift tab or just shift tab to move to the message list. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

That sounds quite annoying. Couldn’t a addon be created that would jump focus to the correct place when control-Y is pressed? Though from the response form the original poster there is someplace else where NVDA and Outlook are agreeing to disagree in one of the panels.

 

Also, any regular user of NVDA using an insider build of Outlook who could comment on if this is still occurring in the latest builds?

Thanks,

 

Jonathan Cohn

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 7:45 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

 

Ralf,

 

How are you changing folders in Outlook 2016? There is a known bug where if you use ctrl+y and the resulting tree view to switch folders, outlook crashes. You need to use the folder pane accessed by ctrl+shift+tab.

 

Pranav


Re: about taskmanager

 

Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way  as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

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http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
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https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Felix G.
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix

 

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter


 


Re: about taskmanager

David Griffith
 

I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way  as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Felix G.
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix

 

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter



 


Re: Braille table problem

 

Hi,
I'll forward this question to the Liblouis list. In the meantime, depending on how the tables are set up, you need to modify the interface language alone (the one NVDA will look for) or one of the component tables (the one the interface language will pick up in the "include" statement).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of lrs@dalen.lamasti.net
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Braille table problem

Hello, list!

We need to extend the Norwegian 8 dot braille table used with NVDA. When working with that, I tried to rename some liblouis braill tables to the default 8 dot braille table which are used today, namely no-no-comp8.ctb, found in louis\tables.

I tried to rename no-no-generic.ctb, and that works.

When I renamed other tables, like no-no-8dot.utb or no-no-8dot-fallback-6dot-g0.utb into no-no-comp8.ctb, the braille display became blank.

I can see that the table files that works, has no include statement whereas the table files that don't, has statements like

include no-no-comp8.ctb

Can someone please explain if it's the include statement that is the problem, or if it's other factors that prevents the other tables to work?

Thanks and regards, Lars


Re: Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

Jonathan COHN
 

That sounds quite annoying. Couldn’t a addon be created that would jump focus to the correct place when control-Y is pressed? Though from the response form the original poster there is someplace else where NVDA and Outlook are agreeing to disagree in one of the panels.

 

Also, any regular user of NVDA using an insider build of Outlook who could comment on if this is still occurring in the latest builds?

Thanks,

 

Jonathan Cohn

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 7:45 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

 

Ralf,

 

How are you changing folders in Outlook 2016? There is a known bug where if you use ctrl+y and the resulting tree view to switch folders, outlook crashes. You need to use the folder pane accessed by ctrl+shift+tab.

 

Pranav


Re: about taskmanager

Felix G.
 

Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter





Braille table problem

lrs@...
 

Hello, list!

We need to extend the Norwegian 8 dot braille table used with NVDA. When
working with that, I tried to rename some liblouis braill tables to the
default 8 dot braille table which are used today, namely
no-no-comp8.ctb, found in louis\tables.

I tried to rename no-no-generic.ctb, and that works.

When I renamed other tables, like no-no-8dot.utb
or no-no-8dot-fallback-6dot-g0.utb into no-no-comp8.ctb, the
braille display became blank.

I can see that the table files that works, has no include statement
whereas the table files that don't, has statements like

include no-no-comp8.ctb

Can someone please explain if it's the include statement that is the
problem, or if it's other factors that prevents the other tables to
work?

Thanks and regards, Lars


Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

Gene
 

Brian, Kerryn and all
 
Brian
I saw your message about my message not being received by you.  I was curious and checked the archives.  It appears not to be there.  I'm not sure why the message didn't get to the list.  So my message last night appears to be the first time my discussion reached the list. 
 
I'm sorry the message said I sent a message specifically to you.  While there is nothing wrong with that, since you didn't see it, I should have just said I sent a message asking you or asking that, or something without the emphasis. 
 
Gene
 


about taskmanager

P. Otter
 

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter


Some issues

Othoniel Cavanellas
 

Hello,

I have been using NVDA for the past 30 days and I am experiencing problems with Outlook 2016. If NVDA is active, whenever I switch from one mailbox to another, Outlook crashes and is restarted. It also happens when I open certain types of messages, normally messages with some type of image inbedded (in this case I close NVDA and the message opens OK).  I also tested shutting down the antivirus to see if I was affecting NVDA, but the problems persist.

 

Below you have my PC config:

 

Windows 10 PRO Portuguese version 1709 edition 16299.192

NVDA  version 2017.4

MS Office 365

Trendmicro Maximum Security

Another issue is that sometimes NVDA mutes for no reason, and suddenly restarts talking, or if I force its restart, it works again.

 

Can you guys help me with these problems?

 

Many thanks and greetings from Brazil!

 

Othoniel Cavanellas

Rio de Janeiro

 


Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

Gene
 

This is a rule in Netiquette and I would think that the majority of lists enforce it since such messages have no useful or additional information, just thanks. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

hey gene, this is how i run my list to, i also do not allow me to messages, or one liners.
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:26 PM
Subject: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging
 
I sent a message as moderator specifically asking you not to send thank you messages.  Did you see it?  If you want to write someone on list and say thank you along with another message such as your messages that ask people to write you privately, that's alright.  (I've seen four or perhaps more messages this evening that say nothing but thank you .  This is list clutter.  If you want. thank people in advance in your initial message or send one thank you message after you've seen enough replies that you think it's appropriate.  But no more than one. 
 
How many people would want to be on this or other lists if everyone who asked a question and got multiple answers sent thank you messages in response to every message they got?  The list would be three fourths thank you messages and no one would want to be on it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message ------
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging
 
thanks brian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging
 
Well assuming windows 7 or later DRopbox seems to me to be faster and more intuitive in use.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging
 
in comparing google drive to dropbox, which one is more reliable and more accessible?
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging
 
I use google back up and sync. It's very accessible and works well. I also ise iDrive as well for my more important stuff.

On Feb 8, 2018, at 1:12 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
 
Well at  the moment it has just stopped synchronising so I guess that answers part of the question, nice of them to give me about half an hours warning. Thanks google.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 9:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Google drive nagging


I see that Google drive are nagging me to update to the back up and restore new version. I disabled updates  some time ago to keep the old format as nvda would not work very well with the newer versions coming out and also they were crashing machines all over the place
Is it now safe to update as the cryptic message its putting up every so often is that its no longer supported, which could just mean its not ever going to get security updates or that they intend to stop users with the old software from accessing the system any more. I have no idea which, but a few days after Google also nagging me to not use email clients to access their accounts they do seem to be getting a bit too aggressive  toward their users in my view.

Is there any other easy to use cloud storage that can run on old xp machines,which is the only real reason for using google drive at all since dropbox stopped its software running, mainly due to the fact that they started to use a newer code compiler that made code that fell over on xp.
Brian

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Re: When posts contain email addresses

Gene
 

We'll see if this is a general behavior.  I don't recall ever seeng this problem reading mail with an e-mail program.  Are you reading messages with an e-mail client or on line?
 
Here is a fictitious test address or two. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] When posts contain email addresses

Hi all,

when people say we can email them by email and give the email address, why does the forum system cut everything after the @ symbol out?

For example, in Quentin's reply to Ryan Cho's question about Kindle on Windows, it says:

‘If they can recreate the issue and then get a copy of the log to send us that might help shed light on what is happening - they (or you) can email it to me at info@... and I'll have a look.’

So the email address doesn't appear in the post, nor when I right lick on it and select ‘copy email address’ does it copy the email address, only info@...

Is this something in my forum preferences, or should I spell out email addresses like nvda.user at gmail dot com?

Since this isn't related to the Kindle post I've posted it as a new thread, but this is the link to the Kindle topic in case needed: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/10299590

thanks :)

Giles


Re: suggestion for feedback

Quentin Christensen
 

Fair points.  Re searching for issues, by default GitHub will search for open issues.  If someone else has posted the same thing but it's been considered and decided not to fix, or already fixed, or closed for some other reason, it won't be in the first list of results.  If you look back at the edit field with what you typed when the results are shown, it will display:

"is:issue is:open" in front of what you typed.  Leave the is:issue part, but if you remove the "is:open" part, then it will show both open and closed issues.  (alternatively you can type "is:closed" to see closed issues, or activate the "X Closed" link where X is the number of closed issues which match.

When you are searching, try and use words which are likely to be as specific to your issue as possible.  Just looking at the issues, there is one called "NVDA Portable copy will not start, reports missing dll".  If I search for "NVDA won't start", I get 68 open and 179 closed.  Searching for "Missing DLL" is better, I only get 5 open and 14 closed, but if I search for the name of the dll file, " api-ms-win-core-rtlsupport-l1-2-0.dll", I get only one issue.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:05 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
The other problem with github which I forgot to mention is this.
When you want to find out if your issue already exists, the internal search seems to have been designed to not see the  obvious, so to speak as almost every time I do an issue somebody piles in closed duplicate of xxxx. I do search, but increasingly I feel I'm wasting my time, as it never seems to spot anything other than stuff not related to my issue at all. Its kind of like its searching for everything but what I'm talking about!
Maybe its a programmer vs user language issue, who knows.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Well I think the idea is that the one field has all the suggested
information to include.  Having just one field hopefully doesn't seem as
intimidating as having a dozen fields to fill in.

But if it's not working and having a dozen smaller fields (I didn't count,
just grabbed the number out of the air) would be easier, then that's
certainly something to look at.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

However it is quite daunting  and needs a lot of concentration to actually
make it work for you. I guess if you were in there all the time it would
become easier. I'm not a fan of the in field suggestions either. I'd prefer
separate fields with supporting text like most forms are.That way one can
actually make sense of what should go where. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback




Hi Rusty,



Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue)
isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue
on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*).  As we use GitHub, it would
still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a
Github account.  Even if we moved away from Github to another issue
tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several
things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be
prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions,
provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else
interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.



If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent
us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep
track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular
problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.



The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house
developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute
code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central
repository to make that all possible.  If you e-mailed me and asked for a
particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't
a high enough priority to get to immediately.  It might however, be
something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like
to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but
I don't necessarily know who might be interested.



So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea?
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...>
wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
        <tr>
        <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=
email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-
tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
                <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=
email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
                </td>
        </tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>

On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
> Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
> far as I can tell.
>
> Rusty
> <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>       <tr>
>         <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=
email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank"><img
> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-
tick-green-avg-v1.png"
> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
> /></a></td>
>               <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: > #41424e;
> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=
email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>               </td>
>       </tr>
> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
> height="1"></a></div>
>
> On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
> <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>> no help but I have reported this more than once.   but don't have a >> fix.
>> using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
>> this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.
>>
>> On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
>>> I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
>>> scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
>>> and speech comes back.
>>>
>>> any thoughts, or fixes.<div
>>> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
>>> />
>>> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>>>     <tr>
>>>          <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=
email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank"><img
>>> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-
tick-green-avg-v1.png"
>>> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
>>> /></a></td>
>>>             <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: >>> #41424e;
>>> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
>>> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=
email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>>>             </td>
>>>     </tr>
>>> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
>>> height="1"></a></div>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>






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Re: suggestion for feedback

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

The other problem with github which I forgot to mention is this.
When you want to find out if your issue already exists, the internal search seems to have been designed to not see the obvious, so to speak as almost every time I do an issue somebody piles in closed duplicate of xxxx. I do search, but increasingly I feel I'm wasting my time, as it never seems to spot anything other than stuff not related to my issue at all. Its kind of like its searching for everything but what I'm talking about!
Maybe its a programmer vs user language issue, who knows.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Well I think the idea is that the one field has all the suggested
information to include. Having just one field hopefully doesn't seem as
intimidating as having a dozen fields to fill in.

But if it's not working and having a dozen smaller fields (I didn't count,
just grabbed the number out of the air) would be easier, then that's
certainly something to look at.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

However it is quite daunting and needs a lot of concentration to actually
make it work for you. I guess if you were in there all the time it would
become easier. I'm not a fan of the in field suggestions either. I'd prefer
separate fields with supporting text like most forms are.That way one can
actually make sense of what should go where. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback



Hi Rusty,



Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue)
isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue
on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would
still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a
Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue
tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several
things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be
prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions,
provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else
interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.



If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent
us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep
track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular
problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.



The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house
developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute
code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central
repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a
particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't
a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be
something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like
to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but
I don't necessarily know who might be interested.



So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea?
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
and speech comes back.

any thoughts, or fixes.<div
id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
/>
<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
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font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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Re: suggestion for feedback

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Maybe but the problem I have is that bits of the description and what I'm pasting in get all muddled together and it looks and sounds like a heap of rubbish.
Myself I'd rather it have the text in the page not written in the field. I find this an issue on many other sites, almost as annoying as auto complete is.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Well I think the idea is that the one field has all the suggested
information to include. Having just one field hopefully doesn't seem as
intimidating as having a dozen fields to fill in.

But if it's not working and having a dozen smaller fields (I didn't count,
just grabbed the number out of the air) would be easier, then that's
certainly something to look at.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

However it is quite daunting and needs a lot of concentration to actually
make it work for you. I guess if you were in there all the time it would
become easier. I'm not a fan of the in field suggestions either. I'd prefer
separate fields with supporting text like most forms are.That way one can
actually make sense of what should go where. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback



Hi Rusty,



Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue)
isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue
on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would
still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a
Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue
tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several
things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be
prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions,
provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else
interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.



If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent
us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep
track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular
problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.



The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house
developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute
code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central
repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a
particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't
a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be
something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like
to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but
I don't necessarily know who might be interested.



So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea?
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
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href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=
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target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-
tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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</td>
</tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>

On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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height="1"></a></div>

On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
and speech comes back.

any thoughts, or fixes.<div
id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
/>
<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
<td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=
email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-
tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=
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</td>
</tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
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Training and Support Manager



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http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



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Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

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http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess