Hi,



I did find them as mp3 files. I don't have a device like the victor
stream or plex-talk to be able to jump from section to section.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA
2018



Hi,

The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this
isn't working.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA
2018



Hi, Joseph,



I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to
have a special player or is this a word document?



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018



Hi everyone,



Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind,
an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now
available
from:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph
_lee.z
ip



The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up
to date.



Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this
tutorial set on physical media for a fee.



Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

Some additional resources:

 

Bart Busschots produces a podcast called “Programming by Stealth.” Starting with the basics of HTML and CSS, it gets into the intricacies of JavaScript and jQuery. It is entertaining and some episodes have homework with proposed solutions the next episode. This is an ongoing podcast, with 49 episodes so far. He even sometimes discusses accessibility.

 

https://www.bartbusschots.ie/s/blog/programming-by-stealth/

 

Another good resource is Deque University. They provide Comprehensive Web Accessibility courses. If you have a disability, you can qualify for free access to Deque University to learn web accessibility skills.

 

https://dequeuniversity.com/

 

Rick

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

May I suggest www.w3schools.com , it’s a wonderful resource and fully accessible. there are also several online schools that can be very helpful. You’re welcome to contact me off group if you want more info.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

rayn

it is abit challenging, i use

html.net

to read on how to build websites

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Rayn Darren

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

You’re most welcome. May I ask how you’re going about learning web dev?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

thank u rayn

----- Original Message -----

From: Rayn Darren

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 8:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

NVDA works great with the following languages: HTML, CSS, PHP, JavaScript, Python, SQL. I know there are more that it probably works well with but those are the ones I can personally speak to. As to editors, Notepad++ is what I personally use and it’s wonderful as long as you remember to set up a profile to have all punctuation read. Hope this helps.

Rayn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] programming question

 

hi guys

1 does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language?

2 in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or fireworks?

is NVDA accessible with these?

thanks

 

kerryn

----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi everyone,

 

Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions.  It looks like most have been answered.

 

Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 20173 or later, you don't need an addon for OCR.  If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon.  Basically, the OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc.  It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning software.  Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are varies.  So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic text.

 

The other question was around using NVDA to control the mouse.  NVDA can click or lock either mouse button, make the focus jump to where the mouse pointer is, or jump the mouse pointer to the item with focus, see the User Guide for the keys for each: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc39

 

Windows has a "mousekeys" function which lets you move the mouse with the keyboard, and there is also an add-on for NVDA called "Golden Cursor" which has even more functionality: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

 

The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.  Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head around.  Essentially object navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and out of the current program).  Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document.  When you go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.  Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance.

 

Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing CONTROL+C.  For instance, open Notepad, type something, press ALT+F4.  A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel".  To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C.  It copies the following to the clipboard:

 

[Window Title]

Notepad

 

[Main Instruction]

Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

 

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.

When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.

it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.

If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.

Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.

Gene nz

 

On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote:

Hi Tina,

 

I’d like to know, too.      

 

Alma

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks

sent from my android

 

On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1. NVDA-S
2. 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Dienstag, 6. Februar 2018 19:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA

2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

 

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5 Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

 

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.

 

The article is: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-5th-october-2017/

 

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents

2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?

hey devin could u contact me privately?

email is

k_gunness@yahooca

thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Devin Prater

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

Error! Filename not specified.
, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

 

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripcocom>
To: <nvda@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>

 

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Rayn Darren

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

The Deque University courses are great! I’m in the process of doing them with two remaining, I’ve learned so much! I may even go for WAS certification , they are 1005% accessible and very well thought out.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 2:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

Some additional resources:

 

Bart Busschots produces a podcast called “Programming by Stealth.” Starting with the basics of HTML and CSS, it gets into the intricacies of JavaScript and jQuery. It is entertaining and some episodes have homework with proposed solutions the next episode. This is an ongoing podcast, with 49 episodes so far. He even sometimes discusses accessibility.

 

https://www.bartbusschots.ie/s/blog/programming-by-stealth/

 

Another good resource is Deque University. They provide Comprehensive Web Accessibility courses. If you have a disability, you can qualify for free access to Deque University to learn web accessibility skills.

 

https://dequeuniversity.com/

 

Rick

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

May I suggest www.w3schools.com , it’s a wonderful resource and fully accessible. there are also several online schools that can be very helpful. You’re welcome to contact me off group if you want more info.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

rayn

it is abit challenging, i use

html.net

to read on how to build websites

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Rayn Darren

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

You’re most welcome. May I ask how you’re going about learning web dev?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

thank u rayn

----- Original Message -----

From: Rayn Darren

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 8:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

NVDA works great with the following languages: HTML, CSS, PHP, JavaScript, Python, SQL. I know there are more that it probably works well with but those are the ones I can personally speak to. As to editors, Notepad++ is what I personally use and it’s wonderful as long as you remember to set up a profile to have all punctuation read. Hope this helps.

Rayn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] programming question

 

hi guys

1 does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language?

2 in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or fireworks?

is NVDA accessible with these?

thanks

 

kerryn

----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi everyone,

 

Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions.  It looks like most have been answered.

 

Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 20173 or later, you don't need an addon for OCR.  If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon.  Basically, the OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc.  It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning software.  Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are varies.  So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic text.

 

The other question was around using NVDA to control the mouse.  NVDA can click or lock either mouse button, make the focus jump to where the mouse pointer is, or jump the mouse pointer to the item with focus, see the User Guide for the keys for each: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc39

 

Windows has a "mousekeys" function which lets you move the mouse with the keyboard, and there is also an add-on for NVDA called "Golden Cursor" which has even more functionality: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

 

The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.  Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head around.  Essentially object navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and out of the current program).  Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document.  When you go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.  Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance.

 

Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing CONTROL+C.  For instance, open Notepad, type something, press ALT+F4.  A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel".  To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C.  It copies the following to the clipboard:

 

[Window Title]

Notepad

 

[Main Instruction]

Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

 

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.

When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.

it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.

If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.

Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.

Gene nz

 

On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote:

Hi Tina,

 

I’d like to know, too.      

 

Alma

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks

sent from my android

 

On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1. NVDA-S
2. 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Dienstag, 6. Februar 2018 19:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA

2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

 

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5 Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

 

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.

 

The article is: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-5th-october-2017/

 

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents

2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?

hey devin could u contact me privately?

email is

k_gunness@yahooca

thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Devin Prater

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

Error! Filename not specified.
, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

 

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

 

Gene

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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>

 

 

 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 

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Twitter: @NVAccess 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Some additional resources:

Bart Busschots produces a podcast called “Programming by Stealth.” Starting with the basics of HTML and CSS, it gets into the intricacies of JavaScript and jQuery. It is entertaining and some episodes have homework with proposed solutions the next episode. This is an ongoing podcast, with 49 episodes so far. He even sometimes discusses accessibility.

https://www.bartbusschots.ie/s/blog/programming-by-stealth/

Another good resource is Deque University. They provide Comprehensive Web Accessibility courses. If you have a disability, you can qualify for free access to Deque University to learn web accessibility skills.

https://dequeuniversity.com/

Rick

May I suggest www.w3schools.com , it’s a wonderful resource and fully accessible. there are also several online schools that can be very helpful. You’re welcome to contact me off group if you want more info.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rayn Darren

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

You’re most welcome. May I ask how you’re going about learning web dev?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

thank u rayn

----- Original Message -----

From: Rayn Darren

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 8:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

NVDA works great with the following languages: HTML, CSS, PHP, JavaScript, Python, SQL. I know there are more that it probably works well with but those are the ones I can personally speak to. As to editors, Notepad++ is what I personally use and it’s wonderful as long as you remember to set up a profile to have all punctuation read. Hope this helps.

Rayn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] programming question

 

hi guys

1 does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language?

2 in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or fireworks?

is NVDA accessible with these?

thanks

 

kerryn

----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi everyone,

 

Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions.  It looks like most have been answered.

 

Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 20173 or later, you don't need an addon for OCR.  If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon.  Basically, the OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc.  It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning software.  Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are varies.  So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic text.

 

The other question was around using NVDA to control the mouse.  NVDA can click or lock either mouse button, make the focus jump to where the mouse pointer is, or jump the mouse pointer to the item with focus, see the User Guide for the keys for each: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc39

 

Windows has a "mousekeys" function which lets you move the mouse with the keyboard, and there is also an add-on for NVDA called "Golden Cursor" which has even more functionality: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

 

The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.  Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head around.  Essentially object navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and out of the current program).  Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document.  When you go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.  Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance.

 

Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing CONTROL+C.  For instance, open Notepad, type something, press ALT+F4.  A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel".  To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C.  It copies the following to the clipboard:

 

[Window Title]

Notepad

 

[Main Instruction]

Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

 

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.

When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.

it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.

If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.

Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.

Gene nz

 

On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote:

Hi Tina,

 

I’d like to know, too.      

 

Alma

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks

sent from my android

 

On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1. NVDA-S
2. 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Dienstag, 6. Februar 2018 19:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA

2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

 

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5 Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

 

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.

 

The article is: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-5th-october-2017/

 

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents

2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?

hey devin could u contact me privately?

email is

k_gunness@yahooca

thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Devin Prater

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

Error! Filename not specified.
, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

 

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

bglists@...
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 

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Hi,


I did find them as mp3 files. I don't have a device like the victor stream
or plex-talk to be able to jump from section to section.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018


Hi,

The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this isn't
working.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018


Hi, Joseph,


I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to have a
special player or is this a word document?


Rosemarie




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018


Hi everyone,


Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, an
audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available
from:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph_lee.z
ip


The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up to
date.


Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this tutorial
set on physical media for a fee.


Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi, Joseph,


I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to have a
special player or is this a word document?


Rosemarie




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018


Hi everyone,


Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, an
audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available
from:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph_lee.z
ip


The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up to
date.


Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this tutorial
set on physical media for a fee.


Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


David Griffith




My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
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https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts


From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

There is a SAPI 5 version of Eloquence you can try.  I haven't used it
in Windows 10.  I've heard contradictory things about whether it is
responsive in Windows 10.  It works properly aside from the
contradictory things I've heard about responsiveness.  I tried it in
XP and it doesn't have any of the artifacts the add on has with
Eloquence.
You aren't limited to the two choices you are describing.

Gene
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*Sent:* Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:49 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] code factory voices

You know what really gets my goat though.

We have a perfectly decently cracked version which is good.

Maybe to combat this they decide to well put out a payed version.

But when your legal version is not as good you have an issue, but
obviously they don't, good luck to me buying their stuff though.

Maybe I will get vocaliser and their packages via atguys thats only
because inoetics are no more with their stuff, and well there is
acapella, it costs a bit more.

Tempted to get infovox but then I  am uncertain.

Vocaliser which I do use from time to time in old realspeak form has
served me well.




On 9/02/2018 7:20 p.m., Vlad Dragomir wrote:

Hi all,

I'd like to join you all in being disappointed. I bought this addon
exactly because it offered Eloquence, and I ended up using Vocalizer
all the time because of this. Moreover, no updates, no improvements
whatsoever for three years, they seem to be no different from
Tiflotecnia. It seems to be so tempting to put a half-baked product
online and than sit down and see money poor in.

I know it's useless to complain like this, so let's cheer up and hope
for a change, miracles happen sometimes!

Best regards,

Vlad.

I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.
Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

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From: Felix G.
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix

P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA.
Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after
opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication
with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is
unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix

P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the
taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter



.

The other problem with github which I forgot to mention is this.
When you want to find out if your issue already exists, the internal search seems to have been designed to not see the obvious, so to speak as almost every time I do an issue somebody piles in closed duplicate of xxxx. I do search, but increasingly I feel I'm wasting my time, as it never seems to spot anything other than stuff not related to my issue at all. Its kind of like its searching for everything but what I'm talking about!
Maybe its a programmer vs user language issue, who knows.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

Well I think the idea is that the one field has all the suggested
information to include.  Having just one field hopefully doesn't seem as
intimidating as having a dozen fields to fill in.

But if it's not working and having a dozen smaller fields (I didn't count,
just grabbed the number out of the air) would be easier, then that's
certainly something to look at.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

However it is quite daunting  and needs a lot of concentration to actually
make it work for you. I guess if you were in there all the time it would
become easier. I'm not a fan of the in field suggestions either. I'd prefer
separate fields with supporting text like most forms are.That way one can
actually make sense of what should go where. Brian

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*From:* Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback



Hi Rusty,



Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue)
isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue
on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*).  As we use GitHub, it would
still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a
Github account.  Even if we moved away from Github to another issue
tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several
things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be
prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions,
provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else
interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.



If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent
us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep
track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular
problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.



The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house
developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute
code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central
repository to make that all possible.  If you e-mailed me and asked for a
particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't
a high enough priority to get to immediately.  It might however, be
something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like
to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but
I don't necessarily know who might be interested.



So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea?
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest

incarnation of

this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:

Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few

moments

and speech comes back.

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Hi all,

I'd like to join you all in being disappointed. I bought this addon exactly because it offered Eloquence, and I ended up using Vocalizer all the time because of this. Moreover, no updates, no improvements whatsoever for three years, they seem to be no different from Tiflotecnia. It seems to be so tempting to put a half-baked product online and than sit down and see money poor in.

I know it's useless to complain like this, so let's cheer up and hope for a change, miracles happen sometimes!

Best regards,

Vlad.

Hello. I did download the latest version of chrome and I have both browsers on a windows 7 and a windows 10 machine. When I am on a website a radio station one that has a clickable graphic to click on to listen to when I press enter on it for some reason either nvda or google chrome I guess does not see it. When I am using fire fox and I go to the same website and click on the clickable graphic to listen to the radio station no problem the stations plays in the browser and another window pops up. I was wondering why is this happening cause in the previous version when using google chrome nvda and chrome were getting along well and I can listen to the stations in chrome, what has changed between chrome and fire fox? Can some one explain to me what is going on here and are there any work around in dealing with this? Thank you.
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