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Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to find a reason.
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The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to before installation of avast makes it do the same thing.Luckily these pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are to run-in a perfectly working system. Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem. I think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened. Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself. There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time trying to solve when there is an easy work around. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Boersema Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running Dear All, Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has been tried--all without success: 1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs. 2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I noticed the problem. 3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process. Warmly, Ralph
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Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I got the impression he wanted it to do it automatically which would be unwise even if it were possible.
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Having been subjected to this person blithering on from a friends machine I'd settle for the inverse idea! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks? Yes! Press Insert+S to cycle through speech off, speech with beeps, and speech on. Each time you press S, You keep cycling through. So, just press Insert+S to turn the NVDA’s speech off so you can listen to Cortana. That is how I do it! You can also use the Caps lock if you have that modifier key enabled. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mel_thatcher via Groups.Io Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks? I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key? Mel
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Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Have you tried disabling the anti virus system?
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I'm just trying to think of another approach. This does seem to be a very weird thing, as asking around the only Outlook related issues I hear about are crashes when moving to other folders sometimes, not failure to start at all. I'm assuming this cannot be duplicated on anyone elses machine? The error info you need is from Outlook Quite plainly as nvda being there is just minding its own business. I'm beginning to wonder if you might have some strange hardware fault, maybe Ram chip related? Are there any other funnies going on with software that you can see? Also have you definitely proved your hard drive has no cross linked chains? This is very rare these days as the software in 10 seems to be able to repair those file issues quite well Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@refmail.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:22 AM Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running Dear All,
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Re: about taskmanager
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
What makes you think they are not. I'm always being told to get up to date, yet those I know who have seem to have no end of issues in windows 10, the main one, sadly is having to wait for a surprise every few months when Microsoft create a new set of wheels and usually forget to tighten the wheel nuts resulting in one dropping off, so a new fix comes out to superglue it back on. There is a lot to be said for good design and adaptability baked in at the start, rather than this current messing about with operating systems conceived over a coffee or so it seems. By now windows should be a core and have several skins which include the apis that work, so we can make it look and feel like we want for a given task or for those who are used to a particular way of things working.
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There will always be security issues and attempting to block holes will always go on and its no good trying to make bomb proof browsers that only half work or whatever only to find its the bloomin hardware which is bust in the first place. Honestly its like some comedy sit com at the moment. Loads of people talking the talk but not actually doing a lot. Like everything, we are the weakest link in the main, I'm surprised nobody has suggested an upgrade for ourselves by now! Anyway. getting back to the subject for once, nvda would be much easier to make work if the playing field we were working in did not keep on being dug up by moles and termites. I hope you get my drift. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Well I am really sick of this, task manager is so crappy and useless because of how it is the win7 one just worked.
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Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Really I'd have settled for the other way around... grin.
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I'm not sure this is possible automatically unless there is a specific program which runs when it speaks, in which case one can use profiles. However if you want navigation on that dialogue to be spoken, I do not see how you can silence nvda and still keep the screenreader functions other than manually by hitting control. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "mel_thatcher via Groups.Io" <mel_thatcher=yahoo.com@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:02 PM Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks? I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key? Mel
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Re: suggestion for feedback
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I'm not sure that this is any better for paying customers of Github. In the main I feel its to do with the ethos of programmers vs users appreciation of each others needs.
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Its almost like a language barrier in which neither side understands what the other is moaning about. I guess also its like being a teacher. A lot of people find learning hard until some teacher comes along and makes the subject more understandable by using different teaching methods. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback Yeah I know where you are driving at.
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Re: about taskmanager
Christo de Klerk
Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.
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Regards Christo
On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.
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Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
derek riemer
Joseph, don't worry about it. We the community could probably scoop up money to have it professionally transcribed.
On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
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Derek Riemer: Improving the world one byte at a time!
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Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
David Moore
Hi all! Here is a web site and a lot of commands pasted right here in the email. Cortana can understand even more since this was compiled. Just ask her anything you want, but here is a lot of commands to get you going! Here they are, pasted right below! https://www.cnet.com/how-to/the-complete-list-of-cortana-commands/
The complete list of Cortana commands (Almost) everything you can say to Cortana.
The complete list of Cortana commands
If you don't use Cortana, Microsoft's voice-activated personal assistant, you're missing out on some handy, hands-free functionality -- especially now that she's fully integrated into Windows 10, and Windows 10 is everywhere.
Like Apple's Siri and Google's Google Now, Cortana is an intelligent personal assistant who can help you with everything from launching applications to scheduling appointments. She can even adjust a handful of device settings, such as toggling your Wi-Fi on and off. Microsoft hasn't published a full list of Cortana commands, so we pulled together this unofficial list of all the things you can ask or say to Cortana on Windows 10 devices.
Hey, Cortana
There are a few ways to get Cortana's attention.
list of 3 items Click or tap the Cortana button on the taskbar. If you do not see Cortana on your taskbar, right-click the taskbar and go to Cortana > Show Cortana icon. If you have 'Hey, Cortana' enabled, simply say "Hey, Cortana," followed by your question. Here's how to enable 'Hey, Cortana.' If you're using a Windows Phone, you can press and hold the search button to activate Cortana. list end
Basics
list of 12 items Ask about the weather. Ex.: "What's the weather like?" or "What will the weather be like in two days?" or "Is it going to rain tomorrow?" Launch a program or open a website. Ex.: "Launch Mozilla Firefox" or "Open CNET.com." Make a phone call. Ex.: "Call Sarah," or "Call John on speakerphone." Hear Cortana read the top news headlines. Ex.: "Show me top headlines." Take a note in OneNote. Ex.: "Take a note" or "Note it down." Draft an email. Ex.: "Write an email to [contact] saying [message]." Draft a text message. Ex.: "Write a text to [contact] saying [message]." See texts or emails from a specific person. Ex.: "Show me emails from Timmy." Perform simple calculations. Ex.: "What's 35 times 16?" or "What's 23 minus two?" Perform conversions. Ex.: "What is five miles in kilometers" or "How many teaspoons in a cup?" Define a word. Ex.: "What's the definition of 'table'?" or "Do you know what 'gargantuan' means?" Track packages (needs email account configured in the Mail app). Ex.: "Where are my packages?" list end
Settings
list of 3 items Turn on/off Wi-Fi. Turn on/off Bluetooth. Turn on/off Airplane Mode. list end
Scheduling/Reminders
list of 7 items See your calendar events at a glance. Ex.: "How's my schedule looking?" or "What do I have next week?" or "When is my dentist appointment?" Add an appointment to your calendar. Ex.: "Add dentist appointment to Thursday at 3 p.m." or "Schedule phone call with Lisa tomorrow at 5 a.m." Move an appointment. Ex.: "Move my dentist appointment to Friday." Set up reminders based on time, person, or location. Ex.: "Remind me to call Timmy at 2 p.m." or "Remind me to ask about vacation time when I talk to Jenny" or "Remind me to take out the trash when I get home." Reminders can be one-offs or recurring (e.g., every Wednesday), and location-based reminders require a mobile device. Set an alarm. Ex.: "Set an alarm for 9 a.m." or "Wake me up in an hour." Show me my alarms. Ask about major holidays. Ex.: "What day is Christmas?" or "When is Labor Day?" list end
Search
list of 3 items Find pictures, videos, documents, etc., on your device from a specific time frame. Ex.: "Find pictures from last week" or "Find documents from May 2015" or "Find videos from yesterday." Search files by name. Ex.: "Can you find a document called CNET?" or "Can you find a picture called 'cute dog'?" See basic search results, such as information about public figures, companies, places, and pop culture in Cortana's windows (without opening a browser window). Ex.: "How tall is Harrison Ford?" or "Who is the CEO of Google?" or "When was the Lincoln Memorial built?" list end
Maps/Navigation
list of 5 items Where am I? Show me driving/public transit/walking directions to [location/landmark]. How long will it take me to get to [location]? What is traffic like on the way to [location]? Show me a map of [location]. Ex.: "Show me a map of downtown Los Angeles," or "Show me a map of the area around Disneyland." list end
Entertainment
list of 5 items Look up a sports score. Ex.: "What was the score of the last Detroit Tigers game?" Find the run time of a movie. Ex.: "How long is Star Wars: Episode I?" Control music in the Groove app. Ex.: "Play [artist/song/genre/playlist/album]," or "Shuffle the music." Limited control over music in other apps. Ex.: "Pause song" or "skip track." Identify the song that's playing. Ex.: "What is this song?" list end
Travel
list of 6 items Track flight status (from your mail/messages). Ex.: "Is my flight on time?" Get a five-day forecast for any location. Ex.: "How's the weather in Tokyo?" Translate a word or phrase into a different language. Ex.: "How do you say 'dog' in French?" or "How do you say 'how are you' in Japanese?" Convert currency. Ex.: "What's 400 reais in Euros?" or "What's 1,000 yen in US dollars?" Find the current time in another city/country. Ex.: "What time is it in Los Angeles?" or "What time is it in Japan?" What are the seven wonders of the world? list end
Random tips and tricks
list of 15 items Ask Cortana about her origins, aka Halo. Ex.: "Do you love Master Chief?" or "Tell me about Halo 5." What's up? What does the fox say? Tell me a joke. Where's Clippy? What do you think of Windows 10? What do you think of Google? Do you like Google Now? Who's better, you or Siri? Sing me a lullaby/Sing me a song. Rock, paper, scissors. Play the movie game. Heads or tails? Roll a die/dice (one die) or roll dice (two dice). Surprise me! list end
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Governor staten
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
Please share on the list. I"m sure more than two are interested in this list you have. On 2/11/2018 12:38 AM, Karim Lakhani wrote:
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Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
Please share on the list. I"m sure more than two are interested
in this list you have.
On 2/11/2018 12:38 AM, Karim Lakhani
wrote:
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Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
Hi David,
Please share with me privately, if no one else is
interested.
I can be reached at,
Thanks in advance!
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SKYPE: goldenace4
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fears to yourself, but share your courage with others. **** Robert Louis Stevenson
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks? I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL! Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL! Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL! If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Karim
Lakhani
glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.
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EMAIL:karim.lakhani@... $$$$ SKYPE: goldenace4 $$$$ Keep your fears
to yourself,
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via
Groups.Io I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows
10? Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?
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Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
David Moore
I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL! Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL! Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL! If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.
$$$$
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@... $$$$ SKYPE: goldenace4 $$$$ Keep your fears to yourself,
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?
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Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as
responsive as SIRI.
$$$$
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Keep your
fears to yourself, but share your courage with others. **** Robert Louis Stevenson
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks? Mel
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Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running
Gene
I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to
solve the problem. I think that, rather than continuing to try to solve
it, it makes much more sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just
leave it opened.
Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to
spend solving what is a minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it
at all, myself. There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth
spending time trying to solve when there is an easy work around.
Gene
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From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is
Running Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has been tried--all without success: 1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs. 2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I noticed the problem. 3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process. Warmly, Ralph
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Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Joseph,
I agree with the others here. I think trying to do a text tutorial is asking too much. I personally prefer audio tutorials over text. You have enough on your plate with your schooling and everything else you do. Thanks so much for all that you do for us.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
Hi Joseph! I totally agree with what you are saying. People get so used to one person doing everything, then their expectations for that one person get far too high. If we want a written version of the tutorial, then let us start working on it. I am so grateful and happy with the audio version. I am afraid that this NVDA group, and all the demands will cause you to have to leave altogether. We sure do not want that. It is always a few people having to do it all, even in my church. That is too bad, that people just sit back and wait for someone else to do what they want, instead of doing it themselves. I am so sorry, Joseph, that people rely on you too much. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: ely.r@...
Joseph, I fully support your view on this. As NVDA largely supports those of us who are blind or visually impaired, The your audio version makes the Tutorial in MP3 available to the widest user profile. I can't imagine the time you put into the production. I hope that others know that you didn't just sit down and start recording off the top of your head. The material is far too well organized and your examples to well selected and described to not have taken you untold hours of pre-production. A text version would allow one to cut and paste a personal set of reminders, but in no way, should that fall on you. I can also understand that you would not be comfortable with less than an exact accurate copy of your work. Though you did not copyright the Tutorial, which you might have elected to do. Nor did you offer to sell it, though I, for one, would have gladly paid.
I suggest to this group that volunteers could use this forum to create a free transcription Service, divide up the tutorial with each person taking on sections to produce in a common text format. Others might serve as an editorial board to proof and finalize the text version to be submitted to you for approval.
When I was a grad student, I barely had time to keep up with my studies. I would never had time to do what you do for NVDA and for this list.
Rick
Dr. Rick Ely TVI, Vision Consultant 451 Rocky Hill Road Florence, MA 01062 &413() 727-3038
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
Hi, The user guide is the text version at the moment, and no, I won't be able to transcribe the tutorial set on my own. There is an additional, important condition to be met: the community must demand it. I want to see the community wanting this; I want to see the community REALLY wanting this to happen; I want to see the community rise up to do it; I want to get a firm promise from the community that they'll take care of this with highest of standards. Yes, I'm setting the bar really high on this for a number of reasons: 1. Initiated and driven by the community: the era where you can just rely on one person to do all sorts of things is coming to a close. In fact, we should have left that era a long time ago. I believe that one way to move forward is to let the community take care of itself when it is time to do so (after being nurtured by leaders), hence my condition above regarding text transcripts. I do know that the community can go above and beyond what I did and can produce higher quality tutorials (complete with text transcripts), hence the high quality requirement; but it won't work if the community doesn't rise up to do this and other huge projects on its own. 2. Passing the torch to the next group of leaders: as noted a few weeks ago, my active time with the community is slowly coming to a close. I believe this is a great opportunity to find and teach the next group of leaders, and one way to do so is giving them something to practice their skills, and leading a huge project from start to finish is a good exercise. This is one of the reasons why I don't involve myself a lot with NVDACon planning recently, because I do know that current organizers can do a much better job at organizing this gathering. Same could be set about transcriptions: although some guidance is needed in the beginning, I believe that the community is more than ready to tackle this from start to finish: producing a high quality text transcription of the tutorial set. 3. Personal: I carry out some important community duties on top of being a student and a speech and debate competitor (with trophies under my belt, including several first place finishes and being qualified to go to national tournaments). If you thought I am just an NVDA Expert because I can answer questions with detailed guesses at midnight or seem to possess encyclopedic knowledge about NVDA source code, I'd like you to sincerely think again, taking into consideration who I really am: a student volunteer. Given that academics takes highest of highest of priorities, I dare not go through another project that'll drain me (this is the biggest regret I have about producing the audio tutorial set when I should have been taking breaks). To be blunt (sorry for coming across as too harsh): I usually don't say this in public, but I believe it must be said before it is too late: an accomplishment without a spark and a flame is nothing. That is, if you just wish for things to happen without acting on it, it would have been better to not wish it in the first place. One of the reasons why I felt burnt out from this community (especially during tutorial set production) is people's tendency to ask without acting on that wish, and a persistent attitude that one must wait for a savior to give guidance without taking the initiative to think progress and search for things on one's own. And I'm afraid that either I have contributed to this problem, or that we are not heeding this and similar criticisms. Thus, before we go any further (such as downloading the book format one cannot read right now), I sincerely advise you to heed this criticism for once, because without doing so, we won't see much progress; I think it would be helpful for us (as a community) to assess what we're doing, our attitudes, and what we need to do in the future, so that we can be a much better community: a community where people can answer each other with more confidence. Hope this helps. I do know that my post may come across as harsh, and may not have answered your questions. But I believe that there are more important matters to think about, more important than text transcription of Welcome to NVDA 2018 that'll have profound effect on this community and beyond. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
will a text version be created? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
> What I fail to understand is, if you do not have access to software or a > device that supports Daisy format, why you would download the Daisy format > of the tutorial. It's like buying Vinyl records when you do not have a > turntable and only have a CD player. It's just stupid. The tutorial from > Joseph's site is in MP3 format and is great for media players. The Daisy > format is for people with "Daisy players. Period. Choose the format that > works best for your situation. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun > Everiss > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:34 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 > > Well if they are numbered fine I have actually resorted to my media player > to do the reading. > > Ofcause due to structure daisy book files can be in little bits to. > > > > > On 10/02/2018 11:33 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I did find them as mp3 files. I don't have a device like the victor >> stream or plex-talk to be able to jump from section to section. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Joseph Lee >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA >> 2018 >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this >> isn't working. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA >> 2018 >> >> >> >> Hi, Joseph, >> >> >> >> I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to >> have a special player or is this a word document? >> >> >> >> Rosemarie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> >> Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, >> an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now >> available >> from: >> >> http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph >> _lee.z >> ip >> >> >> >> The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up >> to date. >> >> >> >> Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this >> tutorial set on physical media for a fee. >> >> >> >> Enjoy. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >
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Hi, As for people relying on me: I do understand this to some extent, but I do know that, at some point, people will need to look for things on their own. As a famous proverb says, “teach a man to fish, and he’ll feed himself all his life” or something similar. As much as I love serving as an expert, I do know that, eventually, there will be someone much greater than I who can do much better things than some of us did. At the moment, besides studying, my job in the community seems to be raising up the next group of experts, who can take NVDA and the community to the next level. There are some projects I’m personally leading at the moment (such as teaching some of you the internals of NVDA), but I do know that we do have experts who are more than ready to showcase their skills – it’s a matter of identifying these people and giving them proper training experience. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
Hi Joseph! I totally agree with what you are saying. People get so used to one person doing everything, then their expectations for that one person get far too high. If we want a written version of the tutorial, then let us start working on it. I am so grateful and happy with the audio version. I am afraid that this NVDA group, and all the demands will cause you to have to leave altogether. We sure do not want that. It is always a few people having to do it all, even in my church. That is too bad, that people just sit back and wait for someone else to do what they want, instead of doing it themselves. I am so sorry, Joseph, that people rely on you too much. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: ely.r@...
Joseph, I fully support your view on this. As NVDA largely supports those of us who are blind or visually impaired, The your audio version makes the Tutorial in MP3 available to the widest user profile. I can't imagine the time you put into the production. I hope that others know that you didn't just sit down and start recording off the top of your head. The material is far too well organized and your examples to well selected and described to not have taken you untold hours of pre-production. A text version would allow one to cut and paste a personal set of reminders, but in no way, should that fall on you. I can also understand that you would not be comfortable with less than an exact accurate copy of your work. Though you did not copyright the Tutorial, which you might have elected to do. Nor did you offer to sell it, though I, for one, would have gladly paid.
I suggest to this group that volunteers could use this forum to create a free transcription Service, divide up the tutorial with each person taking on sections to produce in a common text format. Others might serve as an editorial board to proof and finalize the text version to be submitted to you for approval.
When I was a grad student, I barely had time to keep up with my studies. I would never had time to do what you do for NVDA and for this list.
Rick
Dr. Rick Ely TVI, Vision Consultant 451 Rocky Hill Road Florence, MA 01062 &413() 727-3038
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
Hi, The user guide is the text version at the moment, and no, I won't be able to transcribe the tutorial set on my own. There is an additional, important condition to be met: the community must demand it. I want to see the community wanting this; I want to see the community REALLY wanting this to happen; I want to see the community rise up to do it; I want to get a firm promise from the community that they'll take care of this with highest of standards. Yes, I'm setting the bar really high on this for a number of reasons: 1. Initiated and driven by the community: the era where you can just rely on one person to do all sorts of things is coming to a close. In fact, we should have left that era a long time ago. I believe that one way to move forward is to let the community take care of itself when it is time to do so (after being nurtured by leaders), hence my condition above regarding text transcripts. I do know that the community can go above and beyond what I did and can produce higher quality tutorials (complete with text transcripts), hence the high quality requirement; but it won't work if the community doesn't rise up to do this and other huge projects on its own. 2. Passing the torch to the next group of leaders: as noted a few weeks ago, my active time with the community is slowly coming to a close. I believe this is a great opportunity to find and teach the next group of leaders, and one way to do so is giving them something to practice their skills, and leading a huge project from start to finish is a good exercise. This is one of the reasons why I don't involve myself a lot with NVDACon planning recently, because I do know that current organizers can do a much better job at organizing this gathering. Same could be set about transcriptions: although some guidance is needed in the beginning, I believe that the community is more than ready to tackle this from start to finish: producing a high quality text transcription of the tutorial set. 3. Personal: I carry out some important community duties on top of being a student and a speech and debate competitor (with trophies under my belt, including several first place finishes and being qualified to go to national tournaments). If you thought I am just an NVDA Expert because I can answer questions with detailed guesses at midnight or seem to possess encyclopedic knowledge about NVDA source code, I'd like you to sincerely think again, taking into consideration who I really am: a student volunteer. Given that academics takes highest of highest of priorities, I dare not go through another project that'll drain me (this is the biggest regret I have about producing the audio tutorial set when I should have been taking breaks). To be blunt (sorry for coming across as too harsh): I usually don't say this in public, but I believe it must be said before it is too late: an accomplishment without a spark and a flame is nothing. That is, if you just wish for things to happen without acting on it, it would have been better to not wish it in the first place. One of the reasons why I felt burnt out from this community (especially during tutorial set production) is people's tendency to ask without acting on that wish, and a persistent attitude that one must wait for a savior to give guidance without taking the initiative to think progress and search for things on one's own. And I'm afraid that either I have contributed to this problem, or that we are not heeding this and similar criticisms. Thus, before we go any further (such as downloading the book format one cannot read right now), I sincerely advise you to heed this criticism for once, because without doing so, we won't see much progress; I think it would be helpful for us (as a community) to assess what we're doing, our attitudes, and what we need to do in the future, so that we can be a much better community: a community where people can answer each other with more confidence. Hope this helps. I do know that my post may come across as harsh, and may not have answered your questions. But I believe that there are more important matters to think about, more important than text transcription of Welcome to NVDA 2018 that'll have profound effect on this community and beyond. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
will a text version be created? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
> What I fail to understand is, if you do not have access to software or a > device that supports Daisy format, why you would download the Daisy format > of the tutorial. It's like buying Vinyl records when you do not have a > turntable and only have a CD player. It's just stupid. The tutorial from > Joseph's site is in MP3 format and is great for media players. The Daisy > format is for people with "Daisy players. Period. Choose the format that > works best for your situation. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun > Everiss > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:34 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 > > Well if they are numbered fine I have actually resorted to my media player > to do the reading. > > Ofcause due to structure daisy book files can be in little bits to. > > > > > On 10/02/2018 11:33 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I did find them as mp3 files. I don't have a device like the victor >> stream or plex-talk to be able to jump from section to section. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Joseph Lee >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA >> 2018 >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this >> isn't working. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA >> 2018 >> >> >> >> Hi, Joseph, >> >> >> >> I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to >> have a special player or is this a word document? >> >> >> >> Rosemarie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> >> Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, >> an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now >> available >> from: >> >> http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph >> _lee.z >> ip >> >> >> >> The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up >> to date. >> >> >> >> Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this >> tutorial set on physical media for a fee. >> >> >> >> Enjoy. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >
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David Moore
Hi Joseph! I totally agree with what you are saying. People get so used to one person doing everything, then their expectations for that one person get far too high. If we want a written version of the tutorial, then let us start working on it. I am so grateful and happy with the audio version. I am afraid that this NVDA group, and all the demands will cause you to have to leave altogether. We sure do not want that. It is always a few people having to do it all, even in my church. That is too bad, that people just sit back and wait for someone else to do what they want, instead of doing it themselves. I am so sorry, Joseph, that people rely on you too much. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:20 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
Joseph, I fully support your view on this. As NVDA largely supports those of us who are blind or visually impaired, The your audio version makes the Tutorial in MP3 available to the widest user profile. I can't imagine the time you put into the production. I hope that others know that you didn't just sit down and start recording off the top of your head. The material is far too well organized and your examples to well selected and described to not have taken you untold hours of pre-production. A text version would allow one to cut and paste a personal set of reminders, but in no way, should that fall on you. I can also understand that you would not be comfortable with less than an exact accurate copy of your work. Though you did not copyright the Tutorial, which you might have elected to do. Nor did you offer to sell it, though I, for one, would have gladly paid.
I suggest to this group that volunteers could use this forum to create a free transcription Service, divide up the tutorial with each person taking on sections to produce in a common text format. Others might serve as an editorial board to proof and finalize the text version to be submitted to you for approval.
When I was a grad student, I barely had time to keep up with my studies. I would never had time to do what you do for NVDA and for this list.
Rick
Dr. Rick Ely TVI, Vision Consultant 451 Rocky Hill Road Florence, MA 01062 &413() 727-3038
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:15 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
Hi, The user guide is the text version at the moment, and no, I won't be able to transcribe the tutorial set on my own. There is an additional, important condition to be met: the community must demand it. I want to see the community wanting this; I want to see the community REALLY wanting this to happen; I want to see the community rise up to do it; I want to get a firm promise from the community that they'll take care of this with highest of standards. Yes, I'm setting the bar really high on this for a number of reasons: 1. Initiated and driven by the community: the era where you can just rely on one person to do all sorts of things is coming to a close. In fact, we should have left that era a long time ago. I believe that one way to move forward is to let the community take care of itself when it is time to do so (after being nurtured by leaders), hence my condition above regarding text transcripts. I do know that the community can go above and beyond what I did and can produce higher quality tutorials (complete with text transcripts), hence the high quality requirement; but it won't work if the community doesn't rise up to do this and other huge projects on its own. 2. Passing the torch to the next group of leaders: as noted a few weeks ago, my active time with the community is slowly coming to a close. I believe this is a great opportunity to find and teach the next group of leaders, and one way to do so is giving them something to practice their skills, and leading a huge project from start to finish is a good exercise. This is one of the reasons why I don't involve myself a lot with NVDACon planning recently, because I do know that current organizers can do a much better job at organizing this gathering. Same could be set about transcriptions: although some guidance is needed in the beginning, I believe that the community is more than ready to tackle this from start to finish: producing a high quality text transcription of the tutorial set. 3. Personal: I carry out some important community duties on top of being a student and a speech and debate competitor (with trophies under my belt, including several first place finishes and being qualified to go to national tournaments). If you thought I am just an NVDA Expert because I can answer questions with detailed guesses at midnight or seem to possess encyclopedic knowledge about NVDA source code, I'd like you to sincerely think again, taking into consideration who I really am: a student volunteer. Given that academics takes highest of highest of priorities, I dare not go through another project that'll drain me (this is the biggest regret I have about producing the audio tutorial set when I should have been taking breaks). To be blunt (sorry for coming across as too harsh): I usually don't say this in public, but I believe it must be said before it is too late: an accomplishment without a spark and a flame is nothing. That is, if you just wish for things to happen without acting on it, it would have been better to not wish it in the first place. One of the reasons why I felt burnt out from this community (especially during tutorial set production) is people's tendency to ask without acting on that wish, and a persistent attitude that one must wait for a savior to give guidance without taking the initiative to think progress and search for things on one's own. And I'm afraid that either I have contributed to this problem, or that we are not heeding this and similar criticisms. Thus, before we go any further (such as downloading the book format one cannot read right now), I sincerely advise you to heed this criticism for once, because without doing so, we won't see much progress; I think it would be helpful for us (as a community) to assess what we're doing, our attitudes, and what we need to do in the future, so that we can be a much better community: a community where people can answer each other with more confidence. Hope this helps. I do know that my post may come across as harsh, and may not have answered your questions. But I believe that there are more important matters to think about, more important than text transcription of Welcome to NVDA 2018 that'll have profound effect on this community and beyond. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:33 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
will a text version be created? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018
> What I fail to understand is, if you do not have access to software or a > device that supports Daisy format, why you would download the Daisy format > of the tutorial. It's like buying Vinyl records when you do not have a > turntable and only have a CD player. It's just stupid. The tutorial from > Joseph's site is in MP3 format and is great for media players. The Daisy > format is for people with "Daisy players. Period. Choose the format that > works best for your situation. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun > Everiss > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:34 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 > > Well if they are numbered fine I have actually resorted to my media player > to do the reading. > > Ofcause due to structure daisy book files can be in little bits to. > > > > > On 10/02/2018 11:33 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I did find them as mp3 files. I don't have a device like the victor >> stream or plex-talk to be able to jump from section to section. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Joseph Lee >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA >> 2018 >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this >> isn't working. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA >> 2018 >> >> >> >> Hi, Joseph, >> >> >> >> I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to >> have a special player or is this a word document? >> >> >> >> Rosemarie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> >> Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, >> an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now >> available >> from: >> >> http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph >> _lee.z >> ip >> >> >> >> The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up >> to date. >> >> >> >> Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this >> tutorial set on physical media for a fee. >> >> >> >> Enjoy. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >
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I never heard of this synth is it english voices?
On 2/10/2018 3:41 PM, mattias wrote:
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ely.r@...
Joseph,
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I fully support your view on this. As NVDA largely supports those of us who are blind or visually impaired, The your audio version makes the Tutorial in MP3 available to the widest user profile. I can't imagine the time you put into the production. I hope that others know that you didn't just sit down and start recording off the top of your head. The material is far too well organized and your examples to well selected and described to not have taken you untold hours of pre-production. A text version would allow one to cut and paste a personal set of reminders, but in no way, should that fall on you. I can also understand that you would not be comfortable with less than an exact accurate copy of your work. Though you did not copyright the Tutorial, which you might have elected to do. Nor did you offer to sell it, though I, for one, would have gladly paid. I suggest to this group that volunteers could use this forum to create a free transcription Service, divide up the tutorial with each person taking on sections to produce in a common text format. Others might serve as an editorial board to proof and finalize the text version to be submitted to you for approval. When I was a grad student, I barely had time to keep up with my studies. I would never had time to do what you do for NVDA and for this list. Rick Dr. Rick Ely TVI, Vision Consultant 451 Rocky Hill Road Florence, MA 01062 &413() 727-3038
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:15 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 Hi, The user guide is the text version at the moment, and no, I won't be able to transcribe the tutorial set on my own. There is an additional, important condition to be met: the community must demand it. I want to see the community wanting this; I want to see the community REALLY wanting this to happen; I want to see the community rise up to do it; I want to get a firm promise from the community that they'll take care of this with highest of standards. Yes, I'm setting the bar really high on this for a number of reasons: 1. Initiated and driven by the community: the era where you can just rely on one person to do all sorts of things is coming to a close. In fact, we should have left that era a long time ago. I believe that one way to move forward is to let the community take care of itself when it is time to do so (after being nurtured by leaders), hence my condition above regarding text transcripts. I do know that the community can go above and beyond what I did and can produce higher quality tutorials (complete with text transcripts), hence the high quality requirement; but it won't work if the community doesn't rise up to do this and other huge projects on its own. 2. Passing the torch to the next group of leaders: as noted a few weeks ago, my active time with the community is slowly coming to a close. I believe this is a great opportunity to find and teach the next group of leaders, and one way to do so is giving them something to practice their skills, and leading a huge project from start to finish is a good exercise. This is one of the reasons why I don't involve myself a lot with NVDACon planning recently, because I do know that current organizers can do a much better job at organizing this gathering. Same could be set about transcriptions: although some guidance is needed in the beginning, I believe that the community is more than ready to tackle this from start to finish: producing a high quality text transcription of the tutorial set. 3. Personal: I carry out some important community duties on top of being a student and a speech and debate competitor (with trophies under my belt, including several first place finishes and being qualified to go to national tournaments). If you thought I am just an NVDA Expert because I can answer questions with detailed guesses at midnight or seem to possess encyclopedic knowledge about NVDA source code, I'd like you to sincerely think again, taking into consideration who I really am: a student volunteer. Given that academics takes highest of highest of priorities, I dare not go through another project that'll drain me (this is the biggest regret I have about producing the audio tutorial set when I should have been taking breaks). To be blunt (sorry for coming across as too harsh): I usually don't say this in public, but I believe it must be said before it is too late: an accomplishment without a spark and a flame is nothing. That is, if you just wish for things to happen without acting on it, it would have been better to not wish it in the first place. One of the reasons why I felt burnt out from this community (especially during tutorial set production) is people's tendency to ask without acting on that wish, and a persistent attitude that one must wait for a savior to give guidance without taking the initiative to think progress and search for things on one's own. And I'm afraid that either I have contributed to this problem, or that we are not heeding this and similar criticisms. Thus, before we go any further (such as downloading the book format one cannot read right now), I sincerely advise you to heed this criticism for once, because without doing so, we won't see much progress; I think it would be helpful for us (as a community) to assess what we're doing, our attitudes, and what we need to do in the future, so that we can be a much better community: a community where people can answer each other with more confidence. Hope this helps. I do know that my post may come across as harsh, and may not have answered your questions. But I believe that there are more important matters to think about, more important than text transcription of Welcome to NVDA 2018 that'll have profound effect on this community and beyond. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:33 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 will a text version be created? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 What I fail to understand is, if you do not have access to software or a
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Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Ralph,
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Did you try calling the microsoft disability line? Maybe they might be able to help you. Rosemarie
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 4:22 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running Dear All, Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has been tried--all without success: 1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs. 2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I noticed the problem. 3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process. Warmly, Ralph
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