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Re: about taskmanager

Christo de Klerk
 

If by the add-on you mean the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on, then yes to both questions. Not just the most updated Windows and add-on, but also the latest NVDA master snapshot. With all that going, Process Explorer is unusable with NVDA. You can try it for yourself.

Regards

Christo

On 2018/02/11 10:23 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
You sure about that? Older versions were a bit of a mess, but I've been told they fixed it as long as you have the latest version of windows and the add on.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@...>
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.

Regards

Christo


On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.




On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


David Griffith




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From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter











Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Hi,

Part of this has to do with changes to searchui.exe on newer Windows 10 builds.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

The win10 app essentials add-on use to do this once upon a time, but no longer does for some time now, such a losss having to hear the nvda voice under Cortana some what spoils the experience

 

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Really I'd have settled for the other way around... grin.

I'm not sure this is possible automatically unless there is a specific

program which runs when it speaks, in which case one can use  profiles.

However if you want navigation on that dialogue to be spoken, I do not see

how you can silence nvda and still keep the  screenreader functions other

than manually by hitting control.

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Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

 

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to

do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

 

Mel

 

 

 

 


Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

Chris
 

The win10 app essentials add-on use to do this once upon a time, but no longer does for some time now, such a losss having to hear the nvda voice under Cortana some what spoils the experience

 

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Really I'd have settled for the other way around... grin.

I'm not sure this is possible automatically unless there is a specific

program which runs when it speaks, in which case one can use  profiles.

However if you want navigation on that dialogue to be spoken, I do not see

how you can silence nvda and still keep the  screenreader functions other

than manually by hitting control.

Brian

 

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Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

 

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to

do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

 

Mel

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

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You sure about that? Older versions were a bit of a mess, but I've been told they fixed it as long as you have the latest version of windows and the add on.
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From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@...>
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.

Regards

Christo


On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.




On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


David Griffith




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From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter









Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

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And alexa and hey google are miles ahead of Siri so that leaves her as a bit of a lame duck.
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?


I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL!
Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL!
Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!
If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL!
David Moore
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From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel


Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

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However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to find a reason.
The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to before installation of avast makes it do the same thing.Luckily these pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem. I think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself. There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
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From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph


Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

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I got the impression he wanted it to do it automatically which would be unwise even if it were possible.
Having been subjected to this person blithering on from a friends machine I'd settle for the inverse idea!
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?


Yes!
Press Insert+S to cycle through speech off, speech with beeps, and speech on. Each time you press S, You keep cycling through.
So, just press Insert+S to turn the NVDA’s speech off so you can listen to Cortana. That is how I do it! You can also use the Caps lock if you have that modifier key enabled.
David Moore
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From: mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel


Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

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Have you tried disabling the anti virus system?
I'm just trying to think of another approach. This does seem to be a very weird thing, as asking around the only Outlook related issues I hear about are crashes when moving to other folders sometimes, not failure to start at all.

I'm assuming this cannot be duplicated on anyone elses machine?

The error info you need is from Outlook Quite plainly as nvda being there is just minding its own business.
I'm beginning to wonder if you might have some strange hardware fault, maybe Ram chip related?



Are there any other funnies going on with software that you can see?
Also have you definitely proved your hard drive has no cross linked chains? This is very rare these days as the software in 10 seems to be able to repair those file issues quite well
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Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph



Re: about taskmanager

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What makes you think they are not. I'm always being told to get up to date, yet those I know who have seem to have no end of issues in windows 10, the main one, sadly is having to wait for a surprise every few months when Microsoft create a new set of wheels and usually forget to tighten the wheel nuts resulting in one dropping off, so a new fix comes out to superglue it back on. There is a lot to be said for good design and adaptability baked in at the start, rather than this current messing about with operating systems conceived over a coffee or so it seems. By now windows should be a core and have several skins which include the apis that work, so we can make it look and feel like we want for a given task or for those who are used to a particular way of things working.
There will always be security issues and attempting to block holes will always go on and its no good trying to make bomb proof browsers that only half work or whatever only to find its the bloomin hardware which is bust in the first place. Honestly its like some comedy sit com at the moment. Loads of people talking the talk but not actually doing a lot.
Like everything, we are the weakest link in the main, I'm surprised nobody has suggested an upgrade for ourselves by now!
Anyway. getting back to the subject for once, nvda would be much easier to make work if the playing field we were working in did not keep on being dug up by moles and termites. I hope you get my drift.
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Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Well I am really sick of this, task manager is so crappy and useless because of how it is the win7 one just worked.

I think its time for another alternit to task manager because crappy uia is obviously sucking.

I still say dispite all the new tech thats going on with uia that old crappy crap that it is the old msaa and older decade old out of date and now crappy stuff is still good for the user.

Just because microsoft says its old and crap now doesn't mean the users share the same experience.

Xp is crap because microsoft says it is, yet I am sure it started faster than win10 or 7 ever did on standard hard drives and there was nothing wrong with its interface.

I do wander if there are other task managers that will do simple things, processes and apps, the rest of it can go to the dogs for all I care.

And with all the cpu slowdowns going on due to updates and all the issues around that even the workstation my dad uses even with a lot of stuff taken off is now slow.

I have older i3 units and older systems that while were just barely usefull and some newer systems that were quite speedy, I may as well use for target shooting due to them being so slow they don't work well with anything.

I am glad I still use 7.

Serious outside my blustering, something has to get done with task manager, are ther alternitives, will an older win7 task manager work in the mean time, can the newer task manager get faster.

Universal apps are not like this, if there were like this users would be really angry.




On 10/02/2018 3:46 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA.
Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after
opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication
with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is
unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the
taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter






Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

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Really I'd have settled for the other way around... grin.
I'm not sure this is possible automatically unless there is a specific program which runs when it speaks, in which case one can use profiles. However if you want navigation on that dialogue to be spoken, I do not see how you can silence nvda and still keep the screenreader functions other than manually by hitting control.
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Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?


I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel


Re: suggestion for feedback

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I'm not sure that this is any better for paying customers of Github. In the main I feel its to do with the ethos of programmers vs users appreciation of each others needs.
Its almost like a language barrier in which neither side understands what the other is moaning about.
I guess also its like being a teacher. A lot of people find learning hard until some teacher comes along and makes the subject more understandable by using different teaching methods.
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Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Yeah I know where you are driving at.

When I was doing a test on a game, tubesim nasoft was using a system called fossle.

The system was low cost, easy to use, easy to submit, easy to brouse.

But to search, you firstly needed to know the generated id number, which well I just discarded immediately.

If you tried a general search for the issue well nothing displayed properly, and you couldn't have a hope in hell to find anything in the database.

I in the end told nick how crappy it was and he tried it and found out the same.

He was a developer so was able to get it ok but it was not a usable system for users to handle and in the end bugs were logged on the system by him after we emailed him and messages were from email.

It seems that to avoid crappy systems we have to pay for a user experience.

While I don't mind paying I think there is something abhorrently wrong in charging for an easy to understand interface.




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The other problem with github which I forgot to mention is this.
When you want to find out if your issue already exists, the internal search seems to have been designed to not see the obvious, so to speak as almost every time I do an issue somebody piles in closed duplicate of xxxx. I do search, but increasingly I feel I'm wasting my time, as it never seems to spot anything other than stuff not related to my issue at all. Its kind of like its searching for everything but what I'm talking about!
Maybe its a programmer vs user language issue, who knows.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Well I think the idea is that the one field has all the suggested
information to include. Having just one field hopefully doesn't seem as
intimidating as having a dozen fields to fill in.

But if it's not working and having a dozen smaller fields (I didn't count,
just grabbed the number out of the air) would be easier, then that's
certainly something to look at.



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However it is quite daunting and needs a lot of concentration to actually
make it work for you. I guess if you were in there all the time it would
become easier. I'm not a fan of the in field suggestions either. I'd prefer
separate fields with supporting text like most forms are.That way one can
actually make sense of what should go where. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback



Hi Rusty,



Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue)
isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue
on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would
still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a
Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue
tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several
things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be
prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions,
provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else
interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.



If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent
us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep
track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular
problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.



The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house
developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute
code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central
repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a
particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't
a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be
something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like
to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but
I don't necessarily know who might be interested.



So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea?
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...>
wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest
incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few
moments
and speech comes back.

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Re: about taskmanager

Christo de Klerk
 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.

Regards

Christo

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.




On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


David Griffith




My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts


From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter








Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

derek riemer
 

Joseph, don't worry about it. We the community could probably scoop up money to have it professionally transcribed.

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Joseph,

 

I agree with the others here. I think trying to do a text tutorial is asking too much. I personally prefer audio tutorials over text. You have enough on your plate with your schooling and everything else you do. Thanks so much for all that you do for us.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:36 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi Joseph!

I totally agree with what you are saying. People get so used to one person doing everything, then their expectations for that one person get far too high. If we want a written version of the tutorial, then let us start working on it. I am so grateful and happy with the audio version. I am afraid that this NVDA group, and all the demands will cause you to have to leave altogether. We sure do not want that. It is always a few people having to do it all, even in my church. That is too bad, that people just sit back and wait for someone else to do what they want, instead of doing it themselves. I am so sorry, Joseph, that people rely on you too much.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Joseph,

I fully support your view on this. As NVDA largely supports those of us who

are blind or visually impaired, The your audio version makes the Tutorial in

MP3 available to the widest user profile. I can't imagine the time you put

into the production. I hope that others know that you didn't just sit down

and start recording off the top of your head. The material is far too well

organized and your examples to well selected and described to not have taken

you untold hours of pre-production.

A text version would allow one to cut and paste a personal set of reminders,

but in no way, should that fall on you. I can also understand that you would

not be comfortable with less than an exact accurate copy of your work.

Though you did not copyright the Tutorial, which you might have elected to

do. Nor did you offer to sell it, though I, for one, would have gladly paid.

 

 

I suggest to this group that volunteers could use this forum to create a

free transcription Service, divide up the tutorial with each person taking

on sections to produce in a common text format. Others might serve as an

editorial board to proof and finalize the text version to be submitted to

you for approval.

 

When I was a grad student, I barely had time to keep up with my studies. I

would never had time to do what you do for NVDA and for this list.

 

 

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph

Lee

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:15 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi,

The user guide is the text version at the moment, and no, I won't be able to

transcribe the tutorial set on my own. There is an additional, important

condition to be met: the community must demand it. I want to see the

community wanting this; I want to see the community REALLY wanting this to

happen; I want to see the community rise up to do it; I want to get a firm

promise from the community that they'll take care of this with highest of

standards. Yes, I'm setting the bar really high on this for a number of

reasons:

1. Initiated and driven by the community: the era where you can just rely on

one person to do all sorts of things is coming to a close. In fact, we

should have left that era a long time ago. I believe that one way to move

forward is to let the community take care of itself when it is time to do so

(after being nurtured by leaders), hence my condition above regarding text

transcripts. I do know that the community can go above and beyond what I did

and can produce higher quality tutorials (complete with text transcripts),

hence the high quality requirement; but it won't work if the community

doesn't rise up to do this and other huge projects on its own.

2. Passing the torch to the next group of leaders: as noted a few weeks ago,

my active time with the community is slowly coming to a close. I believe

this is a great opportunity to find and teach the next group of leaders, and

one way to do so is giving them something to practice their skills, and

leading a huge project from start to finish is a good exercise. This is one

of the reasons why I don't involve myself a lot with NVDACon planning

recently, because I do know that current organizers can do a much better job

at organizing this gathering. Same could be set about transcriptions:

although some guidance is needed in the beginning, I believe that the

community is more than ready to tackle this from start to finish: producing

a high quality text transcription of the tutorial set.

3. Personal: I carry out some important community duties on top of being a

student and a speech and debate competitor (with trophies under my belt,

including several first place finishes and being qualified to go to national

tournaments). If you thought I am just an NVDA Expert because I can answer

questions with detailed guesses at midnight or seem to possess encyclopedic

knowledge about NVDA source code, I'd like you to sincerely think again,

taking into consideration who I really am: a student volunteer. Given that

academics takes highest of highest of priorities, I dare not go through

another project that'll drain me (this is the biggest regret I have about

producing the audio tutorial set when I should have been taking breaks).

To be blunt (sorry for coming across as too harsh): I usually don't say this

in public, but I believe it must be said before it is too late: an

accomplishment without a spark and a flame is nothing. That is, if you just

wish for things to happen without acting on it, it would have been better to

not wish it in the first place. One of the reasons why I felt burnt out from

this community (especially during tutorial set production) is people's

tendency to ask without acting on that wish, and a persistent attitude that

one must wait for a savior to give guidance without taking the initiative to

think progress and search for things on one's own. And I'm afraid that

either I have contributed to this problem, or that we are not heeding this

and similar criticisms. Thus, before we go any further (such as downloading

the book format one cannot read right now), I sincerely advise you to heed

this criticism for once, because without doing so, we won't see much

progress; I think it would be helpful for us (as a community) to assess what

we're doing, our attitudes, and what we need to do in the future, so that we

can be a much better community: a community where people can answer each

other with more confidence.

Hope this helps. I do know that my post may come across as harsh, and may

not have answered your questions. But I believe that there are more

important matters to think about, more important than text transcription of

Welcome to NVDA 2018 that'll have profound effect on this community and

beyond.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

will a text version be created?

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

 

> What I fail to understand is, if you do not have access to software or a

> device that supports Daisy format, why you would download the Daisy format

> of the tutorial. It's like buying Vinyl records when you do not have a

> turntable and only have a CD player. It's just stupid. The tutorial from

> Joseph's site is in MP3 format and is great for media players. The Daisy

> format is for people with "Daisy players. Period. Choose the format that

> works best for your situation.

> 

> Rick

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun

> Everiss

> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:34 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

> 

> Well if they are numbered fine I have actually resorted to my media player

> to do the reading.

> 

> Ofcause due to structure daisy book files can be in little bits to.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On 10/02/2018 11:33 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

>> Hi,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I did find them as mp3 files. I don't have a device like the victor

>> stream or plex-talk to be able to jump from section to section.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA

>> 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this

>> isn't working.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA

>> 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi, Joseph,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to

>> have a special player or is this a word document?

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Rosemarie

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi everyone,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind,

>> an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now

>> available

>> from:

>> 

>> http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph

>> _lee.z

>> ip

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up

>> to date.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this

>> tutorial set on physical media for a fee.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Enjoy.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




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  • University of Colorado Boulder Department of computer science, 4th year undergraduate student.
  • Accessibility enthusiast.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Skier.

Personal website



Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

David Moore
 

Hi all!

Here is a web site and a lot of commands pasted right here in the email. Cortana can understand even more since this was compiled.

Just ask her anything you want, but here is a lot of commands to get you going!

Here they are, pasted right below!

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/the-complete-list-of-cortana-commands/

 

The complete list of Cortana commands

(Almost) everything you can say to Cortana.

 

The complete list of Cortana commands  

 

If you don't use Cortana, Microsoft's voice-activated personal assistant, you're missing out on some handy, hands-free functionality -- especially now

that she's fully integrated into Windows 10, and

Windows 10 is everywhere.

Like Apple's Siri and Google's Google Now, Cortana is an intelligent personal assistant who can help you with everything from launching applications to

scheduling appointments. She can even adjust a handful of device settings, such as toggling your Wi-Fi on and off. Microsoft hasn't published a full list

of Cortana commands, so we pulled together this unofficial list of all the things you can ask or say to Cortana on Windows 10 devices.

Hey, Cortana

There are a few ways to get Cortana's attention.

list of 3 items

Click or tap the Cortana button on the taskbar. If you do not see Cortana on your taskbar, right-click the taskbar and go to Cortana > Show Cortana icon.

If you have 'Hey, Cortana' enabled, simply say "Hey, Cortana," followed by your question.

Here's how to enable 'Hey, Cortana.'

If you're using a Windows Phone, you can press and hold the search button to activate Cortana.

list end

Basics

list of 12 items

Ask about the weather. Ex.: "What's the weather like?" or "What will the weather be like in two days?" or "Is it going to rain tomorrow?"

Launch a program or open a website. Ex.: "Launch Mozilla Firefox" or "Open CNET.com."

Make a phone call. Ex.: "Call Sarah," or "Call John on speakerphone."

Hear Cortana read the top news headlines. Ex.: "Show me top headlines."

Take a note in OneNote. Ex.: "Take a note" or "Note it down."

Draft an email. Ex.: "Write an email to [contact] saying [message]."

Draft a text message. Ex.: "Write a text to [contact] saying [message]."

See texts or emails from a specific person. Ex.: "Show me emails from Timmy."

Perform simple calculations. Ex.: "What's 35 times 16?" or "What's 23 minus two?"

Perform conversions. Ex.: "What is five miles in kilometers" or "How many teaspoons in a cup?"

Define a word. Ex.: "What's the definition of 'table'?" or "Do you know what 'gargantuan' means?"

Track packages (needs email account configured in the Mail app). Ex.: "Where are my packages?"

list end

Settings

list of 3 items

Turn on/off Wi-Fi.

Turn on/off Bluetooth.

Turn on/off Airplane Mode.

list end

Scheduling/Reminders

list of 7 items

See your calendar events at a glance. Ex.: "How's my schedule looking?" or "What do I have next week?" or "When is my dentist appointment?"

Add an appointment to your calendar. Ex.: "Add dentist appointment to Thursday at 3 p.m." or "Schedule phone call with Lisa tomorrow at 5 a.m."

Move an appointment. Ex.: "Move my dentist appointment to Friday."

Set up reminders based on time, person, or location. Ex.: "Remind me to call Timmy at 2 p.m." or "Remind me to ask about vacation time when I talk to Jenny"

or "Remind me to take out the trash when I get home." Reminders can be one-offs or recurring (e.g., every Wednesday), and location-based reminders require

a mobile device.

Set an alarm. Ex.: "Set an alarm for 9 a.m." or "Wake me up in an hour."

Show me my alarms.

Ask about major holidays. Ex.: "What day is Christmas?" or "When is Labor Day?"

list end

Search

list of 3 items

Find pictures, videos, documents, etc., on your device from a specific time frame. Ex.: "Find pictures from last week" or "Find documents from May 2015"

or "Find videos from yesterday."

Search files by name. Ex.: "Can you find a document called CNET?" or "Can you find a picture called 'cute dog'?"

See basic search results, such as information about public figures, companies, places, and pop culture in Cortana's windows (without opening a browser

window). Ex.: "How tall is Harrison Ford?" or "Who is the CEO of Google?" or "When was the Lincoln Memorial built?"

list end

Maps/Navigation

list of 5 items

Where am I?

Show me driving/public transit/walking directions to [location/landmark].

How long will it take me to get to [location]?

What is traffic like on the way to [location]?

Show me a map of [location]. Ex.: "Show me a map of downtown Los Angeles," or "Show me a map of the area around Disneyland."

list end

Entertainment

 

list of 5 items

Look up a sports score. Ex.: "What was the score of the last Detroit Tigers game?"

Find the run time of a movie. Ex.: "How long is Star Wars: Episode I?"

Control music in the Groove app. Ex.: "Play [artist/song/genre/playlist/album]," or "Shuffle the music."

Limited control over music in other apps. Ex.: "Pause song" or "skip track."

Identify the song that's playing. Ex.: "What is this song?"

list end

Travel

list of 6 items

Track flight status (from your mail/messages). Ex.: "Is my flight on time?"

Get a five-day forecast for any location. Ex.: "How's the weather in Tokyo?"

Translate a word or phrase into a different language. Ex.: "How do you say 'dog' in French?" or "How do you say 'how are you' in Japanese?"

Convert currency. Ex.: "What's 400 reais in Euros?" or "What's 1,000 yen in US dollars?"

Find the current time in another city/country. Ex.: "What time is it in Los Angeles?" or "What time is it in Japan?"

What are the seven wonders of the world?

list end

Random tips and tricks

list of 15 items

Ask Cortana about her origins, aka Halo. Ex.: "Do you love Master Chief?" or "Tell me about Halo 5."

What's up?

What does the fox say?

Tell me a joke.

Where's Clippy?

What do you think of Windows 10?

What do you think of Google?

Do you like Google Now?

Who's better, you or Siri?

Sing me a lullaby/Sing me a song.

Rock, paper, scissors.

Play the movie game.

Heads or tails?

Roll a die/dice (one die) or roll dice (two dice).

Surprise me!

list end

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Governor staten
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Please share on the list. I"m sure more than two are interested in this list you have.

On 2/11/2018 12:38 AM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Hi David,

Please share with me privately, if no one else is interested.

I can be reached at,

karim.lakhani@...

Thanks in advance!

 

 

$$$$

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson
 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL!

Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL!

Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!

If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.

 

 

$$$$

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson
 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10?  Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel

 

 


Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Please share on the list. I"m sure more than two are interested in this list you have.

On 2/11/2018 12:38 AM, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Hi David,
Please share with me privately, if no one else is interested.
I can be reached at,
Thanks in advance!
 
 
$$$$
 
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL!

Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL!

Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!

If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.

 

 

$$$$

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson
 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10?  Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel

 


Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

Hi David,
Please share with me privately, if no one else is interested.
I can be reached at,
Thanks in advance!
 
 
$$$$
 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson
 
 



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL!

Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL!

Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!

If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.

 

 

$$$$

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson
 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10?  Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel

 


Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

David Moore
 

I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL!

Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL!

Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!

If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.

 

 

$$$$

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson
 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10?  Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel

 


Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.
 
 
$$$$
 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson
 
 



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10?  Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel


Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Gene
 

I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem.  I think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened. 
 
Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself.  There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time trying to solve when there is an easy work around.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph




Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I agree with the others here. I think trying to do a text tutorial is asking too much. I personally prefer audio tutorials over text. You have enough on your plate with your schooling and everything else you do. Thanks so much for all that you do for us.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi Joseph!

I totally agree with what you are saying. People get so used to one person doing everything, then their expectations for that one person get far too high. If we want a written version of the tutorial, then let us start working on it. I am so grateful and happy with the audio version. I am afraid that this NVDA group, and all the demands will cause you to have to leave altogether. We sure do not want that. It is always a few people having to do it all, even in my church. That is too bad, that people just sit back and wait for someone else to do what they want, instead of doing it themselves. I am so sorry, Joseph, that people rely on you too much.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Joseph,

I fully support your view on this. As NVDA largely supports those of us who

are blind or visually impaired, The your audio version makes the Tutorial in

MP3 available to the widest user profile. I can't imagine the time you put

into the production. I hope that others know that you didn't just sit down

and start recording off the top of your head. The material is far too well

organized and your examples to well selected and described to not have taken

you untold hours of pre-production.

A text version would allow one to cut and paste a personal set of reminders,

but in no way, should that fall on you. I can also understand that you would

not be comfortable with less than an exact accurate copy of your work.

Though you did not copyright the Tutorial, which you might have elected to

do. Nor did you offer to sell it, though I, for one, would have gladly paid.

 

 

I suggest to this group that volunteers could use this forum to create a

free transcription Service, divide up the tutorial with each person taking

on sections to produce in a common text format. Others might serve as an

editorial board to proof and finalize the text version to be submitted to

you for approval.

 

When I was a grad student, I barely had time to keep up with my studies. I

would never had time to do what you do for NVDA and for this list.

 

 

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph

Lee

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:15 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi,

The user guide is the text version at the moment, and no, I won't be able to

transcribe the tutorial set on my own. There is an additional, important

condition to be met: the community must demand it. I want to see the

community wanting this; I want to see the community REALLY wanting this to

happen; I want to see the community rise up to do it; I want to get a firm

promise from the community that they'll take care of this with highest of

standards. Yes, I'm setting the bar really high on this for a number of

reasons:

1. Initiated and driven by the community: the era where you can just rely on

one person to do all sorts of things is coming to a close. In fact, we

should have left that era a long time ago. I believe that one way to move

forward is to let the community take care of itself when it is time to do so

(after being nurtured by leaders), hence my condition above regarding text

transcripts. I do know that the community can go above and beyond what I did

and can produce higher quality tutorials (complete with text transcripts),

hence the high quality requirement; but it won't work if the community

doesn't rise up to do this and other huge projects on its own.

2. Passing the torch to the next group of leaders: as noted a few weeks ago,

my active time with the community is slowly coming to a close. I believe

this is a great opportunity to find and teach the next group of leaders, and

one way to do so is giving them something to practice their skills, and

leading a huge project from start to finish is a good exercise. This is one

of the reasons why I don't involve myself a lot with NVDACon planning

recently, because I do know that current organizers can do a much better job

at organizing this gathering. Same could be set about transcriptions:

although some guidance is needed in the beginning, I believe that the

community is more than ready to tackle this from start to finish: producing

a high quality text transcription of the tutorial set.

3. Personal: I carry out some important community duties on top of being a

student and a speech and debate competitor (with trophies under my belt,

including several first place finishes and being qualified to go to national

tournaments). If you thought I am just an NVDA Expert because I can answer

questions with detailed guesses at midnight or seem to possess encyclopedic

knowledge about NVDA source code, I'd like you to sincerely think again,

taking into consideration who I really am: a student volunteer. Given that

academics takes highest of highest of priorities, I dare not go through

another project that'll drain me (this is the biggest regret I have about

producing the audio tutorial set when I should have been taking breaks).

To be blunt (sorry for coming across as too harsh): I usually don't say this

in public, but I believe it must be said before it is too late: an

accomplishment without a spark and a flame is nothing. That is, if you just

wish for things to happen without acting on it, it would have been better to

not wish it in the first place. One of the reasons why I felt burnt out from

this community (especially during tutorial set production) is people's

tendency to ask without acting on that wish, and a persistent attitude that

one must wait for a savior to give guidance without taking the initiative to

think progress and search for things on one's own. And I'm afraid that

either I have contributed to this problem, or that we are not heeding this

and similar criticisms. Thus, before we go any further (such as downloading

the book format one cannot read right now), I sincerely advise you to heed

this criticism for once, because without doing so, we won't see much

progress; I think it would be helpful for us (as a community) to assess what

we're doing, our attitudes, and what we need to do in the future, so that we

can be a much better community: a community where people can answer each

other with more confidence.

Hope this helps. I do know that my post may come across as harsh, and may

not have answered your questions. But I believe that there are more

important matters to think about, more important than text transcription of

Welcome to NVDA 2018 that'll have profound effect on this community and

beyond.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

will a text version be created?

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

 

> What I fail to understand is, if you do not have access to software or a

> device that supports Daisy format, why you would download the Daisy format

> of the tutorial. It's like buying Vinyl records when you do not have a

> turntable and only have a CD player. It's just stupid. The tutorial from

> Joseph's site is in MP3 format and is great for media players. The Daisy

> format is for people with "Daisy players. Period. Choose the format that

> works best for your situation.

> Rick

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun

> Everiss

> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:34 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

> Well if they are numbered fine I have actually resorted to my media player

> to do the reading.

> Ofcause due to structure daisy book files can be in little bits to.

> On 10/02/2018 11:33 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

>> Hi,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I did find them as mp3 files. I don't have a device like the victor

>> stream or plex-talk to be able to jump from section to section.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA

>> 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this

>> isn't working.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA

>> 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi, Joseph,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to

>> have a special player or is this a word document?

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Rosemarie

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi everyone,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind,

>> an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now

>> available

>> from:

>> 

>> http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph

>> _lee.z

>> ip

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up

>> to date.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this

>> tutorial set on physical media for a fee.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Enjoy.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>